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December 30, 2013 10:43:05 PM

Hey guys, I am 14 and am hopefully about to build my first gaming pc. I have done hours and hours of research and have come up with the following list. Also, the reason I am getting such a small hard drive is because I already have a 3tb external drive. My budget was originally $1200, but I am reluctantly pushing it. Any advice or suggestions would be very helpful! Thanks in advance!
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2t8x4

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December 30, 2013 10:58:23 PM

You don't really need the thermal paste since your cooler already comes with pre applied paste, and it's a decent one. But it could always come handy.

Are you planning to overclock? since if you aren't, that WC system is kind of an overkill. You could get a bit better ram, while removing thermal paste and getting a lower end WC system of the same brand. And getting a bit better video card, either GTX 760 or r9 270x.
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December 30, 2013 11:03:56 PM

I would say bump the gpu up to at least a 770 if he has arround a 1300 budget.
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December 30, 2013 11:06:31 PM

combine1237 said:
I would say bump the gpu up to at least a 770 if he has arround a 1300 budget.


I agree, if he can afford it, would be nice. GTX 770 kills the other two i've mentioned before.
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December 30, 2013 11:07:12 PM

Daniel F said:
You don't really need the thermal paste since your cooler already comes with pre applied paste, and it's a decent one. But it could always come handy.

Are you planning to overclock? since if you aren't, that WC system is kind of an overkill. You could get a bit better ram, while removing thermal paste and getting a lower end WC system of the same brand. And getting a bit better video card, either GTX 760 or r9 270x.

Yes, I was planning on overclocking a bit. I am also definitely planning to get more ram in the near future, but for now this will do. The video card would seriously stretch the budget, is this a must in your opinion?

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December 30, 2013 11:13:21 PM

Gog Swiss said:
Daniel F said:
You don't really need the thermal paste since your cooler already comes with pre applied paste, and it's a decent one. But it could always come handy.

Are you planning to overclock? since if you aren't, that WC system is kind of an overkill. You could get a bit better ram, while removing thermal paste and getting a lower end WC system of the same brand. And getting a bit better video card, either GTX 760 or r9 270x.

Yes, I was planning on overclocking a bit. I am also definitely planning to get more ram in the near future, but for now this will do. The video card would seriously stretch the budget, is this a must in your opinion?



If you don't feel expending that much money, get the 270x, not that much money, but a few more fps. Now, if you can really afford the gtx 770 or anything higher, you should, since when it comes to gaming, gpu is the most important factor.
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December 30, 2013 11:14:37 PM

And btw, 8 GB ram is ok for gaming, but i don't know the brand, you should look for Gskill or corsair with at least 1600 MHZ instead of 1333.
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December 30, 2013 11:15:03 PM

- You can't go pick an unlocked CPU with high end WC parts with thermal paste and chose a B75 motherboards.
- A better ram is a good option along with a better GPU for newer games.
- If you don't plan to go crazy OC, get a cheaper cooler.

- http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2t9uy the list have a R9 280X which is much more powerful than the 7870. If you can't stretch your budget that far, go for the GTX 760 or switch to an AMD based rig for better pricing.
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December 30, 2013 11:22:30 PM

If you want to game on ultra on BF4 and games of the like I would say a 770 is a must to get 60 fps. I have a 7870 ghz and it does not have the power to do ultra in BF4 or any new similar games.

This is a build that I thought up. It is very small form factor and features a bitfenix prodigy as a case. If I would have known about this case I probably would have built a different config then I have now. This build also gives you 3 free games from the nvidia bundle. The one thing I might change would be the gpu to a blower style as to make it so no hot air is recirculated into the system.

http://pcpartpicker.com/user/combine1237/saved/3ip2

The build is fairly over budget though.

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2t9on
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2t9on/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2t9on/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H90 94.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver 5 High-Density Polysynthetic Silver 3.5g Thermal Paste ($6.73 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77N-WIFI Mini ITX LGA1155 Motherboard ($121.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: GeIL EVO Veloce Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($63.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($114.99 @ Adorama)
Storage: Toshiba 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card ($319.99 @ Newegg)
Case: BitFenix Prodigy (White) Mini ITX Tower Case ($74.98 @ OutletPC)
Power Supply: Corsair Professional 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($88.98 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: Asus VS247H-P 23.6" Monitor ($149.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: ~ $1403.58
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-12-31 02:22 EST-0500)
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December 30, 2013 11:28:48 PM

I modified your build to use some higher quality parts and some better performing parts. Similar cost.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.99 @ TigerDirect)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H60 54.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Thermal Compound: Noctua NT-H1 3.5g Thermal Paste ($5.74 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus P8Z77-M Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($92.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($82.05 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Intel 530 Series 180GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Asus Radeon HD 7870 GHz Edition 2GB Video Card ($196.13 @ Newegg)
Wireless Network Adapter: TP-Link TL-WDN3800 802.11a/b/g/n PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter ($19.99 @ Microcenter)
Case: Corsair 350D Window MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($94.99 @ NCIX US)
Case Fan: BitFenix BFF-SPRO-14025KK-RP 86.7 CFM 140mm Fan ($12.98 @ OutletPC)
Power Supply: Corsair Professional 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($88.98 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: AOC i2367Fh 60Hz 23.0" Monitor ($156.80 @ B&H)
Keyboard: Cooler Master Storm Quick Fire Pro Wired Gaming Keyboard
Keyboard: Cooler Master Storm Quick Fire Pro Wired Gaming Keyboard ($74.99)
Total: $1290.58
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-12-31 02:27 EST-0500)
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December 30, 2013 11:37:04 PM

Iknowhowtofixit's build I very much like, what do the rest of you think of it?
Also, 2 things:
Do I really need the thermal paste he has listed?
How much over clocking would justify the original cooler I had?
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December 30, 2013 11:39:36 PM

Also, do any of you have any experience as to wether the prodigy m case is better then the 350d?
What I liked about the 350d is that it has just the right about of drive slots. The prodigy is a beauty, though....
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December 30, 2013 11:44:43 PM

Gog Swiss said:
Iknowhowtofixit's build I very much like, what do the rest of you think of it?
Also, 2 things:
Do I really need the thermal paste he has listed?
How much over clocking would justify the original cooler I had?


Yes, you will need the thermal compound. About the OC, the difference of performance of those WC systems it's high, but it will not affect a decent oc.
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December 30, 2013 11:50:17 PM

Edit: Noticed an Item was out of stock and I am no expert in monitors so here is a revised list where you are free to choose your own monitors and peripherals of choice.

http://pcpartpicker.com/user/combine1237/saved/3iq5

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H90 94.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver 5 High-Density Polysynthetic Silver 3.5g Thermal Paste ($6.73 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77N-WIFI Mini ITX LGA1155 Motherboard ($121.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Value 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($114.99 @ Adorama)
Storage: Toshiba 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card ($339.99 @ Newegg)
Case: BitFenix Prodigy (White) Mini ITX Tower Case ($74.98 @ OutletPC)
Power Supply: Corsair Professional 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($88.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1284.59
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-12-31 02:49 EST-0500)

Edit 2: I think the H90 is better cooling than the H65, and should operate at lower decibels due to 140mm fan. Also regarding the the 270x vs the 770, for a build this price I would almost always go with a btter gpu than 270x, but that is my opinion.
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December 30, 2013 11:57:39 PM

iknowhowtofixit said:
I modified your build to use some higher quality parts and some better performing parts. Similar cost.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.99 @ TigerDirect)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H60 54.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Thermal Compound: Noctua NT-H1 3.5g Thermal Paste ($5.74 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus P8Z77-M Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($92.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($82.05 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Intel 530 Series 180GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Asus Radeon HD 7870 GHz Edition 2GB Video Card ($196.13 @ Newegg)
Wireless Network Adapter: TP-Link TL-WDN3800 802.11a/b/g/n PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter ($19.99 @ Microcenter)
Case: Corsair 350D Window MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($94.99 @ NCIX US)
Case Fan: BitFenix BFF-SPRO-14025KK-RP 86.7 CFM 140mm Fan ($12.98 @ OutletPC)
Power Supply: Corsair Professional 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($88.98 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: AOC i2367Fh 60Hz 23.0" Monitor ($156.80 @ B&H)
Keyboard: Cooler Master Storm Quick Fire Pro Wired Gaming Keyboard
Keyboard: Cooler Master Storm Quick Fire Pro Wired Gaming Keyboard ($74.99)
Total: $1290.58
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-12-31 02:27 EST-0500)

Thanks man!!
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December 31, 2013 6:55:07 AM

Gog Swiss said:
Also, do any of you have any experience as to wether the prodigy m case is better then the 350d?
What I liked about the 350d is that it has just the right about of drive slots. The prodigy is a beauty, though....


I have the white Prodigy M. It is a nice case with a few flaws. It has spots for six 3.5" HDDs or four 3.5" HDDs + three 2.5" drives. Extremely tight space to work with. This is definitely not a case I would recommend for a first timer.

Also, someone questioned the Corsair H60/H65. My i7-4770k runs on an H60 in my Prodigy M case in a push pull configuration and it handles my 4.3GHz overclock just fine (I have speedstep disabled so I'm at 4.3GHz 24/7). The 4770k runs a bit hotter than the 3570k will, you won't have any problems.

I would definitely recommend the Noctua NT-H1 thermal paste. I have about a dozens tubes of assorted thermal pastes in my desk; the Noctua is the best performing and easiest to apply using the credit card method. It also isn't conductive.

Lastly, if you wanted to bump up to the i7-4770k, I recommend the GA-Z87M-D3H for the mobo. Most of the other stuff is self explanatory as to why it was chosen, but feel free to ask questions.
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December 31, 2013 10:28:46 AM

iknowhowtofixit said:
Gog Swiss said:
Also, do any of you have any experience as to wether the prodigy m case is better then the 350d?
What I liked about the 350d is that it has just the right about of drive slots. The prodigy is a beauty, though....


I have the white Prodigy M. It is a nice case with a few flaws. It has spots for six 3.5" HDDs or four 3.5" HDDs + three 2.5" drives. Extremely tight space to work with. This is definitely not a case I would recommend for a first timer.

Also, someone questioned the Corsair H60/H65. My i7-4770k runs on an H60 in my Prodigy M case in a push pull configuration and it handles my 4.3GHz overclock just fine (I have speedstep disabled so I'm at 4.3GHz 24/7). The 4770k runs a bit hotter than the 3570k will, you won't have any problems.

I would definitely recommend the Noctua NT-H1 thermal paste. I have about a dozens tubes of assorted thermal pastes in my desk; the Noctua is the best performing and easiest to apply using the credit card method. It also isn't conductive.

Lastly, if you wanted to bump up to the i7-4770k, I recommend the GA-Z87M-D3H for the mobo. Most of the other stuff is self explanatory as to why it was chosen, but feel free to ask questions.

Thanks, you have been a HUGE help. How big of a sacrifice would it be if I went for a AMD fx 8350? How would it effect performace and is it worth the reduced cost?

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December 31, 2013 11:36:35 AM

Gog Swiss said:
iknowhowtofixit said:
Gog Swiss said:
Also, do any of you have any experience as to wether the prodigy m case is better then the 350d?
What I liked about the 350d is that it has just the right about of drive slots. The prodigy is a beauty, though....


I have the white Prodigy M. It is a nice case with a few flaws. It has spots for six 3.5" HDDs or four 3.5" HDDs + three 2.5" drives. Extremely tight space to work with. This is definitely not a case I would recommend for a first timer.

Also, someone questioned the Corsair H60/H65. My i7-4770k runs on an H60 in my Prodigy M case in a push pull configuration and it handles my 4.3GHz overclock just fine (I have speedstep disabled so I'm at 4.3GHz 24/7). The 4770k runs a bit hotter than the 3570k will, you won't have any problems.

I would definitely recommend the Noctua NT-H1 thermal paste. I have about a dozens tubes of assorted thermal pastes in my desk; the Noctua is the best performing and easiest to apply using the credit card method. It also isn't conductive.

Lastly, if you wanted to bump up to the i7-4770k, I recommend the GA-Z87M-D3H for the mobo. Most of the other stuff is self explanatory as to why it was chosen, but feel free to ask questions.

Thanks, you have been a HUGE help. How big of a sacrifice would it be if I went for a AMD fx 8350? How would it effect performace and is it worth the reduced cost?


In most games, you wont notice a difference. However, if you do any video encoding or the like, Intel is your better option. Just remember that Intel pays lots of money to developers to optimize software to run better on Intel. There will be games and other software that simply perform better on Intel. Blizzard's games come to mind (SC, WoW, Diablo)
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December 31, 2013 11:37:03 AM

Gog Swiss said:
bump


Don't bump threads.
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