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a c 149 U Graphics card
April 2, 2014 12:25:55 AM

Bro_O said:
As i see here they have already released 880M (Notebook version), so i guess it wont take long for the final release of PC version. I hope )


but that 880M is still kepler based. OEM always ask for new part every yearso they will have marketing material saying that "hey we got something new so you should check it out". that's why rebrand/rebadge are running rampant on OEM machine
a b U Graphics card
April 2, 2014 3:40:04 AM

Yep Thats not 20nm maxwell which is what everyone wants. Not 28nm maxwell thats still same tech as kepler.
a c 78 U Graphics card
April 2, 2014 4:12:10 AM

azzazel_99 said:
Yep Thats not 20nm maxwell which is what everyone wants. Not 28nm maxwell thats still same tech as kepler.


Its the same manufacturing process, but not the same tech, the architecture is different from Kepler.
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a b U Graphics card
April 2, 2014 4:23:35 AM

I understand the architecture is different but the 28nm die with new architect seems silly to buy into when the new architecture with new die size is around the corner. I just have to decide if i wanna spend money on a 2nd 780ti or wait for maxwell.
a b U Graphics card
April 2, 2014 5:04:08 AM

It's based on the Kepler Technology, the 880m is like a under clocked GTX 680.
a b U Graphics card
April 2, 2014 5:49:33 AM

maybe more like a underclocked 780? underclocked 680 seems like an awfully big step backwards considering there are several laptops out there with 770's in them right?
a c 78 U Graphics card
April 2, 2014 5:59:42 AM

azzazel_99 said:
maybe more like a underclocked 780? underclocked 680 seems like an awfully big step backwards considering there are several laptops out there with 770's in them right?


He means its using the GK104, which both the desktop 680 and 770 use. Mobile chips are always lower than the desktop equivalents.
a b U Graphics card
April 2, 2014 6:14:01 AM

Based on the gk104 1536 cuda cores 256 bit memory interface

a b U Graphics card
April 2, 2014 6:33:02 AM

oh wow that just seemed like a huge step backwards. Why even call it a 880 then? lol
April 2, 2014 6:39:43 AM

I think Maxwell is interesting.
Just not because its this new tech, but because of the powersavings.
It will probably just end up with higher end gpus at the same power, but for now, the power saving is very nice. :) 
Thats the only reason for why i like maxwell
a b U Graphics card
April 2, 2014 7:08:53 AM

Marketing lol

a c 149 U Graphics card
April 2, 2014 8:10:49 AM

azzazel_99 said:
maybe more like a underclocked 780? underclocked 680 seems like an awfully big step backwards considering there are several laptops out there with 770's in them right?


it's an overclocked GTX680M
a c 149 U Graphics card
April 2, 2014 8:11:45 AM

azzazel_99 said:
oh wow that just seemed like a huge step backwards. Why even call it a 880 then? lol


because OEM ask for it.
a c 149 U Graphics card
April 2, 2014 8:25:51 AM

azzazel_99 said:
I understand the architecture is different but the 28nm die with new architect seems silly to buy into when the new architecture with new die size is around the corner. I just have to decide if i wanna spend money on a 2nd 780ti or wait for maxwell.


it seems silly but it might be the most reasonable choice in regards to cost. the initial motives going for much lower process was not only so they can cram more transistor and better power consumption but also to get more working die per wafer meaning cheaper cost per working die. but that cost saving no longer attainable since new nodes will be more expensive than the previous node. not to mention yield issue. and the rumor i heard about the new TSMC 20nm node is it might only give 20%-30% better power consumption than current 28nm node. to get better power efficiency you no longer can rely on process node alone. i think nvidia has been aware about this thing since their disaster with Fermi and TSMC 40nm node.
a c 78 U Graphics card
April 2, 2014 9:09:29 AM

renz496 said:
azzazel_99 said:
maybe more like a underclocked 780? underclocked 680 seems like an awfully big step backwards considering there are several laptops out there with 770's in them right?


it's an overclocked GTX680M


No its not. The 680M is a 1344 cuda core version of the gk104 (like the desktop 660 ti). The 880M is the full 1536 cuda core version (like the desktop 680).
a c 149 U Graphics card
April 2, 2014 9:40:49 AM

RobCrezz said:
renz496 said:
azzazel_99 said:
maybe more like a underclocked 780? underclocked 680 seems like an awfully big step backwards considering there are several laptops out there with 770's in them right?


it's an overclocked GTX680M


No its not. The 680M is a 1344 cuda core version of the gk104 (like the desktop 660 ti). The 880M is the full 1536 cuda core version (like the desktop 680).


lol i haven't double check my fact. it is suppose to overclocked 780M.

http://www.geforce.com/hardware/notebook-gpus/geforce-g...
April 2, 2014 10:26:11 AM

How much of a performance difference do you guys think there will be between the desktop standard GTX 880 and the GTX 780 ti? I know there will be a big difference from the straight 780, but what about the 780 ti? I'm betting that when it comes out, the price of the 780 ti will go way down, and I'm wondering how worth it it will be to go with the 880.
a c 149 U Graphics card
April 2, 2014 10:49:52 AM

WoodenSaucer said:
How much of a performance difference do you guys think there will be between the desktop standard GTX 880 and the GTX 780 ti? I know there will be a big difference from the straight 780, but what about the 780 ti? I'm betting that when it comes out, the price of the 780 ti will go way down, and I'm wondering how worth it it will be to go with the 880.


hmm 20%-30%? or maybe nvidia will wait for AMD to make their move first before deciding what kind of performance they were targeting on the next gen flagship which is usually the case as when both company transition to newer process node. and most likely nvidia will not officially cut the price of 780 Ti when 880 was about to launch. instead they will EOL the card early on and keep the supply tight so the new card will not affect older card price much
April 2, 2014 11:05:59 AM

renz496 said:
WoodenSaucer said:
How much of a performance difference do you guys think there will be between the desktop standard GTX 880 and the GTX 780 ti? I know there will be a big difference from the straight 780, but what about the 780 ti? I'm betting that when it comes out, the price of the 780 ti will go way down, and I'm wondering how worth it it will be to go with the 880.


hmm 20%-30%? or maybe nvidia will wait for AMD to make their move first before deciding what kind of performance they were targeting on the next gen flagship which is usually the case as when both company transition to newer process node. and most likely nvidia will not officially cut the price of 780 Ti when 880 was about to launch. instead they will EOL the card early on and keep the supply tight so the new card will not affect older card price much

I'm sure you're probably right about the 780 ti. Do you know if they're introducing a new shader model or anything like that?
a b U Graphics card
April 2, 2014 12:47:23 PM

RobCrezz said:
renz496 said:
azzazel_99 said:
maybe more like a underclocked 780? underclocked 680 seems like an awfully big step backwards considering there are several laptops out there with 770's in them right?


it's an overclocked GTX680M


No its not. The 680M is a 1344 cuda core version of the gk104 (like the desktop 660 ti). The 880M is the full 1536 cuda core version (like the desktop 680).


a b U Graphics card
April 2, 2014 12:47:49 PM

That's right, I already mentioned that!
a c 149 U Graphics card
April 2, 2014 1:20:49 PM

WoodenSaucer said:
renz496 said:
WoodenSaucer said:
How much of a performance difference do you guys think there will be between the desktop standard GTX 880 and the GTX 780 ti? I know there will be a big difference from the straight 780, but what about the 780 ti? I'm betting that when it comes out, the price of the 780 ti will go way down, and I'm wondering how worth it it will be to go with the 880.


hmm 20%-30%? or maybe nvidia will wait for AMD to make their move first before deciding what kind of performance they were targeting on the next gen flagship which is usually the case as when both company transition to newer process node. and most likely nvidia will not officially cut the price of 780 Ti when 880 was about to launch. instead they will EOL the card early on and keep the supply tight so the new card will not affect older card price much

I'm sure you're probably right about the 780 ti. Do you know if they're introducing a new shader model or anything like that?


in the latest nvidia roadmap Maxwell was listed as DX12 GPU (at this point there is no confirmation what really happen to unified virtual memory that suppose to come out with maxwell). some DX12 feature like cpu overhead reduction will work with current DX11 hardware but i heard there will be new feature in DX12 that will require new hardware. not much info about it yet right now
April 2, 2014 2:20:16 PM

renz496 said:

in the latest nvidia roadmap Maxwell was listed as DX12 GPU (at this point there is no confirmation what really happen to unified virtual memory that suppose to come out with maxwell). some DX12 feature like cpu overhead reduction will work with current DX11 hardware but i heard there will be new feature in DX12 that will require new hardware. not much info about it yet right now


If there is, then that alone might be worth going with the 800 series, rather than a 780 ti.
a b U Graphics card
April 2, 2014 2:23:27 PM

i havent heard anything about DX12 requiring any new hardware or tech.
a c 149 U Graphics card
April 2, 2014 3:06:06 PM

Quote:
DirectX 12 will indeed make lower-level abstraction available (but not mandatory—there will be backward-compatibility with DX11) on existing hardware. However, Tamasi explained that DirectX 12 will introduce a set of new features in addition to the lower-level abstraction, and those features will require new hardware. In his words, Microsoft "only teased" at some of those additions this week, and a "whole bunch more" are coming.


http://techreport.com/news/26210/directx-12-will-also-a...
a b U Graphics card
April 2, 2014 3:16:51 PM

DX 12 will probably be available with the windows 9 operating system.

I can't utilize direct x 11.2 with my 780 ti because I don't have windows 8.1.
a c 149 U Graphics card
April 2, 2014 3:20:11 PM

WoodenSaucer said:
renz496 said:

in the latest nvidia roadmap Maxwell was listed as DX12 GPU (at this point there is no confirmation what really happen to unified virtual memory that suppose to come out with maxwell). some DX12 feature like cpu overhead reduction will work with current DX11 hardware but i heard there will be new feature in DX12 that will require new hardware. not much info about it yet right now


If there is, then that alone might be worth going with the 800 series, rather than a 780 ti.


right now there is so much thing unanswered. it could be that that new hardware might not exist until nvidia come up with Pascal. so while maxwell might support DX12 it might not fully support new DX12 feature just how Fermi and Kepler will not support those feature. just look at the new GM107. it is nvidia gpu with maxwell architecture and yet there seems no evidence of new hardware for DX12 exist in the chip though it could change when nvidia come up with high performance maxwell. also DX12 game will not coming out until very late 2015 (i believe this is the earliest expectation for DX12 based games to enter market but if the said games got further delay we might not see it until 2016) and nvidia Pascal is expected to come out sometime in 2016 frame time. so there is no hurry to put that new hardware for GPU that suppose to come out late 2014 or early 2015.
a c 149 U Graphics card
April 2, 2014 3:21:57 PM

mr91 said:
DX 12 will probably be available with the windows 9 operating system.

I can't utilize direct x 11.2 with my 780 ti because I don't have windows 8.1.


is there DX11.2 games out there yet? AFAIK even BF4 only goes up to DX11.1
a b U Graphics card
April 2, 2014 3:47:34 PM

I don't know any games that support direct x 11.2 however I can't utilize direct x 11.1 because i don't have windows 8.

Apparently because of direct 11.1 windows 8 users have an advantage in bf4.
a b U Graphics card
April 2, 2014 4:49:28 PM

The latest article I read stated that because TSMC needed to enable 20 nm fabrication may not be ready for quite some time, the GTX 800 series may be delayed until 2015. It's a shame because based on the power / performance ratio of the GTX 750 / 750 Ti cards, the GTX 880 will beat the living s*** out of the GTX 680.
a c 149 U Graphics card
April 2, 2014 5:26:09 PM

Joseph DeGarmo said:
The latest article I read stated that because TSMC needed to enable 20 nm fabrication may not be ready for quite some time, the GTX 800 series may be delayed until 2015. It's a shame because based on the power / performance ratio of the GTX 750 / 750 Ti cards, the GTX 880 will beat the living s*** out of the GTX 680.


AFAIK TSMC already starts volume production for 20nm product since january. but that process is only for SoC. this is just my speculation but it is possible current TSMC 28nm already as good as TSMC early 20nm node in terms of efficiency. something interesting to read here:

http://techsoda.com/no-20nm-graphics-amd-nvidia/
a b U Graphics card
April 2, 2014 6:15:26 PM

Joseph DeGarmo said:
The latest article I read stated that because TSMC needed to enable 20 nm fabrication may not be ready for quite some time, the GTX 800 series may be delayed until 2015. It's a shame because based on the power / performance ratio of the GTX 750 / 750 Ti cards, the GTX 880 will beat the living s*** out of the GTX 680.


This delay is not only due to TMSC in my opinion, building a flagship gpu based on a new manufacturing process and architecture takes time!

Hopefully the memory will be based on GDDR 6 or whatever succeeds GDDR 5, I think this is possible because of the introduction of ddr 4.

The 780 ti already beats the living s*** out of the GTX 680 without a doubt...
a c 149 U Graphics card
April 2, 2014 7:19:39 PM

well architecture wise nvidia should be ready by now. GM107 proves this. now they need TSMC 20nm to be mature enough before they start mass producing high performance maxwell. but then again we shouldn't be surprise if first gen maxwell (800 series) will use 28nm node and will only use 20nm/16nm on second gen maxwell (900(?) series).
a b U Graphics card
April 2, 2014 7:37:06 PM

I disagree, Creating a GPU more powerful, reliable and efficient than the GTX 780 ti takes time.

Why do you think the transition from GK 104 to GK 110 took almost a year?

" The GTX 680 was released in May 2012 and the Original Titan was released in February 2013"

a c 149 U Graphics card
April 2, 2014 8:37:20 PM

i said architecture wise nvidia is ready not saying that the big maxwell is ready. GK104 and GK110 still on the same kepler architecture isn't it? yes refinement took time. even the GK110 used in GTX780 Ti is not the same the one used in GTX780. the original titan comes out in feb 2013 but the pro card based on GK110 has been in the market even since late 2012. and nvidia announce the full spec of GK110 in may 2012 except the final clock. that is almost 2 months after the introduction of GTX680 which means while the process node might not be ready for big K the final design is already done.
a b U Graphics card
April 3, 2014 5:21:02 AM

Indeed they are ready to sell the basic maxwell architecture chips such as the 750 series GPU's. The GK 110 and GK 104 do have the Kepler architecture in common however so does the GK107.

Yes, I'm aware that the 780 ti is more refined, uses a new revision and is blessed with a fully unlocked gk 110. The pro cards were very expensive and still took many months to be released.

I'm assuming that Nvidia does have a design and possibly prototypes are available for testing and refinement.
April 3, 2014 4:53:48 PM

renz496 said:
well architecture wise nvidia should be ready by now. GM107 proves this. now they need TSMC 20nm to be mature enough before they start mass producing high performance maxwell. but then again we shouldn't be surprise if first gen maxwell (800 series) will use 28nm node and will only use 20nm/16nm on second gen maxwell (900(?) series).


Isn't it 20nm/14nm? 16 would be awkward haha
a c 149 U Graphics card
April 3, 2014 11:12:10 PM

Aphala said:
renz496 said:
well architecture wise nvidia should be ready by now. GM107 proves this. now they need TSMC 20nm to be mature enough before they start mass producing high performance maxwell. but then again we shouldn't be surprise if first gen maxwell (800 series) will use 28nm node and will only use 20nm/16nm on second gen maxwell (900(?) series).


Isn't it 20nm/14nm? 16 would be awkward haha


from what i know after 20nm TSMC next process will be 16nm FinFet. for intel and samsung it will be 14nm. but then again i heard it is hard to compare the process tech between foundry since each of them have their own definition on it.
April 4, 2014 8:25:45 AM

renz496 said:
Aphala said:
renz496 said:
well architecture wise nvidia should be ready by now. GM107 proves this. now they need TSMC 20nm to be mature enough before they start mass producing high performance maxwell. but then again we shouldn't be surprise if first gen maxwell (800 series) will use 28nm node and will only use 20nm/16nm on second gen maxwell (900(?) series).


Isn't it 20nm/14nm? 16 would be awkward haha


from what i know after 20nm TSMC next process will be 16nm FinFet. for intel and samsung it will be 14nm. but then again i heard it is hard to compare the process tech between foundry since each of them have their own definition on it.


Ahh I was going by half die shrink, still can't wait until 20nm rolls out Q3 (as it seems).
a c 149 U Graphics card
April 4, 2014 9:02:03 AM

TSMC has start volume production 20nm node for SoC since last january. but it seems they have trouble with high performance node for 20nm that usually used to manufacturer gpu which lead to the latest rumor about high end maxwell will be delayed into 2015 time frame
April 4, 2014 9:40:54 AM

renz496 said:
TSMC has start volume production 20nm node for SoC since last january. but it seems they have trouble with high performance node for 20nm that usually used to manufacturer gpu which lead to the latest rumor about high end maxwell will be delayed into 2015 time frame


Oh well, 780ti for me...I guess they will fire out low end Maxwell then keep people waiting untill maybe September 2015 since I am sure the high end Maxwell cards will need to refined at little bit more. Might just wait with my 780ti until Volta and that super sexy stacked Vram!
a c 149 U Graphics card
April 4, 2014 9:52:35 AM

even volta has been pushed further :D  . maybe into 2018/2019 time frame
a b U Graphics card
April 4, 2014 10:55:21 AM

Hmmm too sli 780ti or not too sli 780ti.
April 4, 2014 10:57:17 AM

renz496 said:
even volta has been pushed further :D  . maybe into 2018/2019 time frame


Ahh bollocks! I guess the 780ti is a solid choice anyway haha.
April 10, 2014 7:38:03 PM

hhmmm... i don't understand why the spec isn't significantly different than the 780. i don't think that this 880 can do 4k with everything maxed out without lagging, or maybe 1600. i'm using 780 right now and everything works really well for 1080 with everything maxed out. i plan to buy 1600 monitor in the future, but for that, i prefer wait for 790 launched on the market rather than buy a 880. that will be a lot better.
April 10, 2014 7:45:45 PM

kungfury7 said:
azzazel_99 said:
Well it has to look as good or better than the 780 which imo was very nice looking card.


The GTX 780 looks good...but it has no style. R9 290X was reallly stylish.



nnngg.. what do u mean with that "stylish" word buddy. hahahahah..
April 10, 2014 7:58:31 PM

how much will the 800 series be than the 700 series? what do you guys think?
a c 149 U Graphics card
April 10, 2014 8:21:39 PM

shehtazruslan said:
how much will the 800 series be than the 700 series? what do you guys think?


you mean price?
a c 149 U Graphics card
April 10, 2014 8:32:56 PM

Randy Hutajulu said:
hhmmm... i don't understand why the spec isn't significantly different than the 780. i don't think that this 880 can do 4k with everything maxed out without lagging, or maybe 1600. i'm using 780 right now and everything works really well for 1080 with everything maxed out. i plan to buy 1600 monitor in the future, but for that, i prefer wait for 790 launched on the market rather than buy a 880. that will be a lot better.


so far it's only speculation. the 'real' 880 could have very different spec. but what really picked my interest were story about no 20nm gpu from both nvidia and AMD. i heard that maxwell will be on 28nm while AMD might go straight for 16nm FinFet.
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