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April 10, 2014 9:14:36 PM

renz496 said:
Randy Hutajulu said:
hhmmm... i don't understand why the spec isn't significantly different than the 780. i don't think that this 880 can do 4k with everything maxed out without lagging, or maybe 1600. i'm using 780 right now and everything works really well for 1080 with everything maxed out. i plan to buy 1600 monitor in the future, but for that, i prefer wait for 790 launched on the market rather than buy a 880. that will be a lot better.


so far it's only speculation. the 'real' 880 could have very different spec. but what really picked my interest were story about no 20nm gpu from both nvidia and AMD. i heard that maxwell will be on 28nm while AMD might go straight for 16nm FinFet.


to be honest, i'm not an advance PC user and i don't even know what's the meaning of 20 or 28 nm and how does it work in the real life.
can u explain that to me if u don't mind, buddy? that will help me a lot :) 
but, from my little knowledge of GPU, i think that 880 won't left 780 too far behind. and i think that won't do more than 40 fps on metro last light at 1600p resolution.
am i right?
a b U Graphics card
April 10, 2014 9:18:21 PM

Randy Hutajulu said:
renz496 said:
Randy Hutajulu said:
hhmmm... i don't understand why the spec isn't significantly different than the 780. i don't think that this 880 can do 4k with everything maxed out without lagging, or maybe 1600. i'm using 780 right now and everything works really well for 1080 with everything maxed out. i plan to buy 1600 monitor in the future, but for that, i prefer wait for 790 launched on the market rather than buy a 880. that will be a lot better.


so far it's only speculation. the 'real' 880 could have very different spec. but what really picked my interest were story about no 20nm gpu from both nvidia and AMD. i heard that maxwell will be on 28nm while AMD might go straight for 16nm FinFet.


to be honest, i'm not an advance PC user and i don't even know what's the meaning of 20 or 28 nm and how does it work in the real life.
can u explain that to me if u don't mind, buddy? that will help me a lot :) 
but, from my little knowledge of GPU, i think that 880 won't left 780 too far behind. and i think that won't do more than 40 fps on metro last light at 1600p resolution.
am i right?


http://www.techpowerup.com/199750/nvidia-geforce-gtx-88...
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April 10, 2014 9:42:22 PM

Randy Hutajulu said:
renz496 said:
Randy Hutajulu said:
hhmmm... i don't understand why the spec isn't significantly different than the 780. i don't think that this 880 can do 4k with everything maxed out without lagging, or maybe 1600. i'm using 780 right now and everything works really well for 1080 with everything maxed out. i plan to buy 1600 monitor in the future, but for that, i prefer wait for 790 launched on the market rather than buy a 880. that will be a lot better.


so far it's only speculation. the 'real' 880 could have very different spec. but what really picked my interest were story about no 20nm gpu from both nvidia and AMD. i heard that maxwell will be on 28nm while AMD might go straight for 16nm FinFet.


to be honest, i'm not an advance PC user and i don't even know what's the meaning of 20 or 28 nm and how does it work in the real life.
can u explain that to me if u don't mind, buddy? that will help me a lot :) 
but, from my little knowledge of GPU, i think that 880 won't left 780 too far behind. and i think that won't do more than 40 fps on metro last light at 1600p resolution.
am i right?


that 20nm/28nm thing is related to die shrink. both nvidia and amd needs that so they can get better performance without making their die getting any bigger. that is to explained it in the simplest manner.but right now going into smaller node become much harder than before due to physics limitation so it is much more complicated then before.

about 880 performance we might want to see AMD next top end performance first. usually nvidia will let AMD come out with their next gen gpu first. then nvidia will counter AMD performance accordingly with their part and price.
a b U Graphics card
April 10, 2014 9:43:05 PM

Rumors are toying with our minds! Earlier today, another rumor has emerged with the leaked specs of the GTX 880, and actually seems realistic. I don't know what to think anymore, I just know that it will be expensive, and my body is ready. But my wallet... not so much.

http://www.custompcreview.com/news/nvidia-geforce-gtx-8...
a c 78 U Graphics card
April 11, 2014 1:14:40 AM

thismafiaguy said:
Rumors are toying with our minds! Earlier today, another rumor has emerged with the leaked specs of the GTX 880, and actually seems realistic. I don't know what to think anymore, I just know that it will be expensive, and my body is ready. But my wallet... not so much.

http://www.custompcreview.com/news/nvidia-geforce-gtx-8...


vRam bandwidth looks weirdly low...
a b U Graphics card
April 11, 2014 3:59:37 AM

renz496 said:
Randy Hutajulu said:
renz496 said:
Randy Hutajulu said:
hhmmm... i don't understand why the spec isn't significantly different than the 780. i don't think that this 880 can do 4k with everything maxed out without lagging, or maybe 1600. i'm using 780 right now and everything works really well for 1080 with everything maxed out. i plan to buy 1600 monitor in the future, but for that, i prefer wait for 790 launched on the market rather than buy a 880. that will be a lot better.


so far it's only speculation. the 'real' 880 could have very different spec. but what really picked my interest were story about no 20nm gpu from both nvidia and AMD. i heard that maxwell will be on 28nm while AMD might go straight for 16nm FinFet.


Looks like AMD is working on a 390x


http://wccftech.com/amd-pirate-islands-r9-300-series-be...

to be honest, i'm not an advance PC user and i don't even know what's the meaning of 20 or 28 nm and how does it work in the real life.
can u explain that to me if u don't mind, buddy? that will help me a lot :) 
but, from my little knowledge of GPU, i think that 880 won't left 780 too far behind. and i think that won't do more than 40 fps on metro last light at 1600p resolution.
am i right?


that 20nm/28nm thing is related to die shrink. both nvidia and amd needs that so they can get better performance without making their die getting any bigger. that is to explained it in the simplest manner.but right now going into smaller node become much harder than before due to physics limitation so it is much more complicated then before.

about 880 performance we might want to see AMD next top end performance first. usually nvidia will let AMD come out with their next gen gpu first. then nvidia will counter AMD performance accordingly with their part and price.


a b U Graphics card
April 11, 2014 8:52:48 AM

RobCrezz said:
thismafiaguy said:
Rumors are toying with our minds! Earlier today, another rumor has emerged with the leaked specs of the GTX 880, and actually seems realistic. I don't know what to think anymore, I just know that it will be expensive, and my body is ready. But my wallet... not so much.

http://www.custompcreview.com/news/nvidia-geforce-gtx-8...


vRam bandwidth looks weirdly low...


It really does, especially for a flagship card in 2014. I thought this had something to do with Nvidia's plans for unified virtual memory for Maxwell, but then I remembered at GTC 2014, unified virtual memory was "reassigned" to Pascal. This is still just a rumor, so I wouldn't take these specs 100% seriously.
a c 78 U Graphics card
April 11, 2014 8:59:52 AM

thismafiaguy said:
RobCrezz said:
thismafiaguy said:
Rumors are toying with our minds! Earlier today, another rumor has emerged with the leaked specs of the GTX 880, and actually seems realistic. I don't know what to think anymore, I just know that it will be expensive, and my body is ready. But my wallet... not so much.

http://www.custompcreview.com/news/nvidia-geforce-gtx-8...


vRam bandwidth looks weirdly low...


It really does, especially for a flagship card in 2014. I thought this had something to do with Nvidia's plans for unified virtual memory for Maxwell, but then I remembered at GTC 2014, unified virtual memory was "reassigned" to Pascal. This is still just a rumor, so I wouldn't take these specs 100% seriously.


Yeah I suspect you are right. Fingers crossed its actually the specs for the 860! if so, ill buy one lol!
a c 149 U Graphics card
April 11, 2014 12:10:49 PM

thismafiaguy said:
RobCrezz said:
thismafiaguy said:
Rumors are toying with our minds! Earlier today, another rumor has emerged with the leaked specs of the GTX 880, and actually seems realistic. I don't know what to think anymore, I just know that it will be expensive, and my body is ready. But my wallet... not so much.

http://www.custompcreview.com/news/nvidia-geforce-gtx-8...


vRam bandwidth looks weirdly low...


It really does, especially for a flagship card in 2014. I thought this had something to do with Nvidia's plans for unified virtual memory for Maxwell, but then I remembered at GTC 2014, unified virtual memory was "reassigned" to Pascal. This is still just a rumor, so I wouldn't take these specs 100% seriously.


i'm no gpu architecture expert but i heard saying that the increase of L2 cache in maxwell will compensate the lack of bandwidth in maxwell.
a b U Graphics card
April 11, 2014 8:33:22 PM

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/rumor-nvidia-gtx-880-s...

I wouldn't be surprised if the 780 ti is still faster than the 880 based on the specs circulating.

The article above mentioned that there is a rumor that the gtx 880 will not be a successor to the 780 ti.
a c 149 U Graphics card
April 12, 2014 12:36:15 AM

mr91 said:
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/rumor-nvidia-gtx-880-s...

I wouldn't be surprised if the 780 ti is still faster than the 880 based on the specs circulating.

The article above mentioned that there is a rumor that the gtx 880 will not be a successor to the 780 ti.


so far it is still speculation. but for sure 880 will be faster than current gen flagship (780 Ti). if the card end up slower it will not going to inherit the GTX x8x moniker.
April 12, 2014 2:00:00 AM

mr91 said:
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/rumor-nvidia-gtx-880-s...

I wouldn't be surprised if the 780 ti is still faster than the 880 based on the specs circulating.

The article above mentioned that there is a rumor that the gtx 880 will not be a successor to the 780 ti.


I would be surprised. Their maxwell arcitecture should be 135% faster than the kepler(per core), and the gtx 880 has 3200 cores, which i guess should be faster.

The question is when is the 880 gonna come out then? If they release it now, they need it to be high price like the 780 ti to get good sales and not loose on the 780ti.

I think it will be very late this year or early next year. Maybe a little earlier if AMD makes a move.
a b U Graphics card
April 12, 2014 5:50:11 AM

renz496 said:
mr91 said:
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/rumor-nvidia-gtx-880-s...

I wouldn't be surprised if the 780 ti is still faster than the 880 based on the specs circulating.

The article above mentioned that there is a rumor that the gtx 880 will not be a successor to the 780 ti.


so far it is still speculation. but for sure 880 will be faster than current gen flagship (780 Ti). if the card end up slower it will not going to inherit the GTX x8x moniker.


I'm sure that the 880 is going to be faster than the gtx 880 however the 780 ti is a special edition card.

A TI series flagship in the lineup is unprecedented in Nvidia's recent future.

Based on the rumor that AMD is developing a card that has over 4000 stream processor cores, 7 ghz ram and a 512 mbit interface, I think that the Nvidia flagship will have to have a lot more power than the rumored specs to humble the beast mentioned above.

Maybe a 880 to succeed the 780 and a 880 ti to succeed the 780 ti?
a b U Graphics card
April 12, 2014 7:01:50 AM

I read somewhere that the GTX 880 will be the true successor to the GTX 680. It will use the GM 204 GPU and therefore, it will not be at the same level as the GTX 780. But with the advancement of the Maxwell architecture and the performance to watt ratio, I wouldn't be surprised if the GTX 880 still comes out on top. I've seen rumors that it will require only a single 6-pin power connector. But I read that it will have a 230w TDP. That does not make sense, though, since the GTX 680 used only 195w on full load, making that GPU the most power-efficient high-end GPU on record.
a b U Graphics card
April 12, 2014 7:44:21 AM

Joseph DeGarmo said:
I read somewhere that the GTX 880 will be the true successor to the GTX 680. It will use the GM 204 GPU and therefore, it will not be at the same level as the GTX 780. But with the advancement of the Maxwell architecture and the performance to watt ratio, I wouldn't be surprised if the GTX 880 still comes out on top. I've seen rumors that it will require only a single 6-pin power connector. But I read that it will have a 230w TDP. That does not make sense, though, since the GTX 680 used only 195w on full load, making that GPU the most power-efficient high-end GPU on record.


I have no doubts that the gtx 880 will be faster than the 780 however faster than 780ti is questionable.

a c 149 U Graphics card
April 12, 2014 9:01:19 AM

mr91 said:
renz496 said:
mr91 said:
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/rumor-nvidia-gtx-880-s...

I wouldn't be surprised if the 780 ti is still faster than the 880 based on the specs circulating.

The article above mentioned that there is a rumor that the gtx 880 will not be a successor to the 780 ti.


so far it is still speculation. but for sure 880 will be faster than current gen flagship (780 Ti). if the card end up slower it will not going to inherit the GTX x8x moniker.


I'm sure that the 880 is going to be faster than the gtx 880 however the 780 ti is a special edition card.

A TI series flagship in the lineup is unprecedented in Nvidia's recent future.

Based on the rumor that AMD is developing a card that has over 4000 stream processor cores, 7 ghz ram and a 512 mbit interface, I think that the Nvidia flagship will have to have a lot more power than the rumored specs to humble the beast mentioned above.

Maybe a 880 to succeed the 780 and a 880 ti to succeed the 780 ti?


to be honest i was expecting it to be like this: 880 will be true successor to 770/680 in terms of silicon (GK104 -> GM204) while performing a bit faster than 780 Ti (maybe in 15%-20% range). the true successor to 780 Ti will be 980/980Ti which is based on GM200/GM210 and it will significantly faster than current 780 Ti.

and about the R9 390X rumor while the spec seem impressive will AMD able to come out it sooner? for sure i don't think AMD will use 28nm node with such massive spec. on nvidia side some rumor already circulating about 880 based on GM204 will use TSMC 28nm node and will be launch around june or july frame time. if this is true then AMD might not be able to counter 880 soon enough. and by the time AMD coming out with R9 390X nvidia will most likely have big Maxwell to counter it. well that is if nvidia decides to attack with 28nm GM204. but if nvidia have no plans for other maxwell part with 28nm node then we could see nvidia coming out with GM200/210 based GTX880 to counter R9 390X directly.

but above else it really pissed me off to see GM204 as a $700 gpu. gpu based on GM204 should sell for sub $250 range. $300 maximum.
April 13, 2014 7:40:43 AM

WoodenSaucer said:
How much of a performance difference do you guys think there will be between the desktop standard GTX 880 and the GTX 780 ti? I know there will be a big difference from the straight 780, but what about the 780 ti? I'm betting that when it comes out, the price of the 780 ti will go way down, and I'm wondering how worth it it will be to go with the 880.


My best guess based on rumored specs is 10%-15%. I don't think this is a 780ti replacement. Remember the 750 was a 640 replacement. This looks more like a base 770 replacement. Hopefully that means it comes in around $300. The 780ti replacement will probably be marketed as 890ti. They are filling out the mid range before going to the high end in order to ramp 20nm volume and bring down costs / increase yields (you sell a lot more <$300 cards then $500-$1,000+) and because the die size of a 890ti would have way to low of a yield. The perfect 780s - the one's where you can turn on all the cores - are probably being binned for release as 890s later this year.
a c 149 U Graphics card
April 13, 2014 11:36:06 AM

Quote:
I don't think this is a 780ti replacement.


at least silicon wise. just like 680 is not true successor to 580

Quote:
This looks more like a base 770 replacement. Hopefully that means it comes in around $300


if 880 based GM204 end up being faster than 780 Ti it could be replacing 780Ti place in $699 pricing mark. current MSRP for 770 is $329 but when nvidia first come up with GK104 with it was $499 with GTX680. not to mention the $329 mark was a nvidia response to AMD new price structure with their R series which originally set for $399 mark. so i bet if nvidia making 880 based of GM204 they will targeting $500-$700 mark.

Quote:
The 780ti replacement will probably be marketed as 890ti


maybe it will be 980. the x90 designation usually used for their dual gpu. it is very possible for nvidia to make 890 based on two GM204

Quote:
They are filling out the mid range before going to the high end in order to ramp 20nm volume and bring down costs / increase yields (you sell a lot more <$300 cards then $500-$1,000+) and because the die size of a 890ti would have way to low of a yield.


i think this is the problem right now. TSMC 20nm node. i heard that TSMC will only offering 20nm for SoC which is not really suitable process for manufacturing GPU.

April 19, 2014 7:16:15 PM

kungfury7 said:
I understand that this question is asked a lot, but does anyone have a general idea of which date it will be? I looking to build a hi-end gaming pc with best possible hardware during this time frame, and i'm planning to use it for awhile before upgrading. Hence, I fully understand nothing is future proof, just looking to spend on what is best at this time.

All speculations, info from anonymous bust trustable resources, basically just anything is welcomed :D 


They just announced the GTX Titan Z so I assume they will release the GTX 800 Series a month after the GTX Titan Z official release.
a b U Graphics card
April 19, 2014 9:12:35 PM

I didn't say that there was a new part coming, I was just sharing an article.
a c 149 U Graphics card
April 20, 2014 4:16:41 AM

mr91 said:
I didn't say that there was a new part coming, I was just sharing an article.


yep. thanks for that. at the very least we should know that the GM204 is a real part....and most likely still on 28nm :)  .
a c 274 U Graphics card
April 20, 2014 4:27:12 AM

renz496 said:
mr91 said:
I didn't say that there was a new part coming, I was just sharing an article.


yep. thanks for that. at the very least we should know that the GM204 is a real part....and most likely still on 28nm :)  .


Which would be a shame I reckon :(  considering how TMSC is is pressing ahead with smaller nodes for different processors.
a b U Graphics card
April 20, 2014 5:17:06 AM

Only time will tell if the rumors are true...

What processors are TMSC pressing ahead with?
a c 149 U Graphics card
April 20, 2014 8:44:46 AM

Mousemonkey said:
renz496 said:
mr91 said:
I didn't say that there was a new part coming, I was just sharing an article.


yep. thanks for that. at the very least we should know that the GM204 is a real part....and most likely still on 28nm :)  .


Which would be a shame I reckon :(  considering how TMSC is is pressing ahead with smaller nodes for different processors.


from what i heard TSMC 20nm only focusing on SoC. there are rumors saying that AMD and nvidia will skipping 20nm and will go straight for 16nm FinFet for their next die shrink. and from AMD's latest earning report it seems that all AMD's 2014 product will still in 28nm and currently on 'design phase' with 20nm node although there is no specific mention what product that currently in design using 20nm node is.
a b U Graphics card
April 20, 2014 8:58:58 AM

Mousemonkey said:
mr91 said:
Only time will tell if the rumors are true...

What processors are TMSC pressing ahead with?


http://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/anton-s...


Thank you!

It must be a challenging to pack over 7 billion transistors into 16 or 10 nm piece of silicon lol
a c 274 U Graphics card
April 21, 2014 2:01:49 AM

mr91 said:


Thank you!

It must be a challenging to pack over 7 billion transistors into 16 or 10 nm piece of silicon lol


You're welcome, I think I know what you mean but just to be clear, the nm number refers to the gaps between the transistors and their 'firing ends' not the silicon's overall size.
a c 274 U Graphics card
April 21, 2014 2:47:15 AM

renz496 said:
so it is almost certain that GM204 and lower will use 28nm?

http://www.techpowerup.com/200061/nvidia-gm204-and-gm20...


Bummer! :( 

Oh well! The rumours have been around for long enough with no signs of anything to refute them in any way but I was so hoping for Maxwell to be on 20nm with the 750 and 750Ti being just tester cards for the smaller node.
a c 149 U Graphics card
April 21, 2014 4:13:43 AM

Mousemonkey said:
renz496 said:
so it is almost certain that GM204 and lower will use 28nm?

http://www.techpowerup.com/200061/nvidia-gm204-and-gm20...


Bummer! :( 

Oh well! The rumours have been around for long enough with no signs of anything to refute them in any way but I was so hoping for Maxwell to be on 20nm with the 750 and 750Ti being just tester cards for the smaller node.


when the early rumor talk about 800 series maxwell will be delayed to 2015 most people expecting nvidia to use TSMC 20nm hence the delay. but with this not new rumor not only 800 series maxwell will be very late (late Q4/early 2015) but it will still on 28nm node as well
a b U Graphics card
April 21, 2014 4:20:26 AM

Glad i got my 780ti's and didnt wait for 20nm maxwell.
a b U Graphics card
April 21, 2014 4:58:09 AM

Mousemonkey said:
mr91 said:


Thank you!

It must be a challenging to pack over 7 billion transistors into 16 or 10 nm piece of silicon lol


You're welcome, I think I know what you mean but just to be clear, the nm number refers to the gaps between the transistors and their 'firing ends' not the silicon's overall size.


I was referring to improved density due to the process that allows companies to shrink the die.

Your explanation is more precise.



a b U Graphics card
April 21, 2014 5:00:49 AM

azzazel_99 said:
Glad i got my 780ti's and didnt wait for 20nm maxwell.


The 780 ti is a great card and even better now with the improved drivers and recent game updates...


a b U Graphics card
April 22, 2014 8:48:41 PM

The wait for 20nm Maxwell isn't looking too good, to be honest. Recent reports are suggesting that TSMC's lack of 20nm production yields have forced Nvidia to re-engineer their entire Maxwell 20nm line to use 28nm, again. And even these 28nm Maxwell chips aren't expected to hit the market until this December or 2015. I'm pretty disappointed in the GPU market right now, it feels like we've been standing still since the Radeon R9 cards forced a price drop on Nvidia.
a b U Graphics card
April 23, 2014 2:49:53 AM

Good job reposting whats in the link right above you.
a b U Graphics card
April 23, 2014 4:40:25 AM

Good job keeping a thread alive that will produce speculations until 2015 :D 
a b U Graphics card
April 23, 2014 6:09:12 AM

What a clever observation. It's not like we've all been reposting speculations from random sources on the internet. Just bringing my findings to the table.

Now that we've established that TSMC is a useless company of apes, I'll just not worry about this until 2015. Too many reposts.
a b U Graphics card
April 23, 2014 6:36:39 AM

azzazel_99 said:
Good job reposting whats in the link right above you.


I see you upgraded to 780 ti SLI - How is it?

a c 274 U Graphics card
April 23, 2014 10:42:58 AM

mr91 said:
Mousemonkey said:
mr91 said:


Thank you!

It must be a challenging to pack over 7 billion transistors into 16 or 10 nm piece of silicon lol


You're welcome, I think I know what you mean but just to be clear, the nm number refers to the gaps between the transistors and their 'firing ends' not the silicon's overall size.


I was referring to improved density due to the process that allows companies to shrink the die.

Your explanation is more precise.





No worries mate, I thought that was what you might have been referring to but as I have actually spoken to folk who thought the GPU itself was 28nm I thought I'd better check. ;) 
April 23, 2014 11:09:22 AM

2x Evga 880's for me please!
a b U Graphics card
April 23, 2014 12:08:14 PM

The sli 780ti's are freaking amazing lol. Bf4 maxed out with 150% res scale and still getting over 120fps looks so amazing on my asus vg278he
April 23, 2014 12:13:42 PM

azzazel_99 said:
The sli 780ti's are freaking amazing lol. Bf4 maxed out with 150% res scale and still getting over 120fps looks so amazing on my asus vg278he


Getting 144 fps in just about everythig minus Metro LL on my 2 x 670 Ftw sli BenQ xl2420TE
a b U Graphics card
April 23, 2014 12:27:27 PM

Upping the res scale in bf4 though makes the image quality so realistic. Although at 200% res scale its rendering the image more times than it does at 100%. Just makes it look so read. If I turn it back down too the normal 100% I stay over 144fps dunno how much past that cause I have my fps locked at 144fps.
a c 149 U Graphics card
April 23, 2014 7:09:57 PM

thismafiaguy said:
What a clever observation. It's not like we've all been reposting speculations from random sources on the internet. Just bringing my findings to the table.

Now that we've established that TSMC is a useless company of apes, I'll just not worry about this until 2015. Too many reposts.


but even so isn't that TSMC is likely the no.2 after intel in fab technology? most people only look on the numbers like 28nm, 22nm, 14nm and so on but from what i heard this cannot be compared directly between fab company. for example some said that samsung 14nm actually is like intel 22nm. some other said TSMC 28nm is better than intel 22nm FinFet in terms of transistor density.

in case of Nvidia i bet they like to jump ship from TSMC if there are other fab companies capable of offering what they want but gpu is the most complex silicon to build to date. currently GK110 have 7+ billion transistor so i'm expecting nvidia to have more than 10 billion transistor on their big Maxwell.

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