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GeForce GTX 780M, 770M, And 765M: Scaling Vs. Radeon HD 8970M

We already have a really good idea how desktop-bound graphics cards perform. But what about the mobile hardware typically derived from those same GPUs? We test four identically-configured notebooks and show how they scale in six popular games.

GeForce GTX 780M, 770M, And 765M: Scaling Vs. Radeon HD 8970M : Read more
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  1. Nice review.
    I can honestly that I was not expecting Pitcairn to perform so well against GK104 while also maintaining lower power consumption!
  2. Are Optimus or Switchable Graphics available in these systems?With those solutions around, I wish we could start seeing reasonable (>4-5 hr) battery life out of these laptops when not under load.
  3. In about a year or so when there is a catalog of Mantle games, laptops could make a comeback as a viable gaming platform under $1500.
  4. When will they make mainstream external boxes for these gaming cards? Give it a cheap and fast link to a notebook and price it competitively to the gaming laptops; awesome upgrades like the desktop crowd.
  5. I own a 780M.I would like to see 780M versus 8970M using Mantle in BF4.
  6. I really like my 8970M. It's awesome having that much power in a notebook. I just hope it doesn't die like my 6990M did.
  7. A great place to check GPUs in laptops and laptops in general is notebookcheck.netIts especially important because heat can be a problem in laptops very, very fast.Sure those did not seem to have that problem but ambient temps, as well as dust acumulation are two factors rearly taken into consideration when talking about overheating.
  8. I have seen people buy the kind of laptops that these cards exist in. The main issue with them is that they are often so compromised in one way or another they spend more time getting sent back for repairs and fixes than they do on the owners desk.Like TVR cars, they did more miles strapped on the back of low loaders going to and from Blackpool than actually on its own wheels.
  9. the wife has a MSI i7QM 3630 i believe and a 670mx. It has been over a year and still runs strong. Alpha testing EQNLandmark with her laptop and it runs like a champ on a mix of ultra and high settings. we have not had one issue with it and runs pretty dang cool and quiet for a gaming laptop. not sure what machine the people you have seen Daglesj, but we are very happy with ours.
  10. Wish you included the GT750m SLi available on the Lenovo Y510P. I own said laptop and $ for $ couldn't ask for more, but have no real goal post against the other chips in the Nvidia range.Great to finally see some mobile GRFX chop reviews and look forward to more in the future.
  11. Well, speaking about reliability, I own a alienware m17r4 with a 675m (580m slightly overclocked) never had to be repaired and still running strong. I often use it for gpu rendering tasks which are the equivalent of running furmark for several hours. Cpu never went below the turbo frequency gpu never throttled or got above 70c. The system is one and a half years old now and still kicking :-)
  12. Oh and btw optimus is by default enabled on the above tested systems. You get an astonishingly long battery life with these systems (given the specs)... If you have enough muscles to carry them around :-)
  13. What do you mean actual temperature minus ambient? What is the ambient temperature? If it is a 20 celcius then gtx 780m is 92.6 celcius??? That is very hot if it is true!
  14. I like the new twist in the value analysis, where you determine the overall system price at which the different components add the most value. It would be good to see this incorporated into the standard value analysis for desktop components as well.
  15. There seems so little development in the laptop sector, they consistently artificially rig the market to make consumers spend around the £800 mark for anything capable of running pc games (look at the dell revamp of the inspiron 17 which is around the £1000 mark). I know there is the Lenovo but why don't more manufacturers produce machines in a 17.3 form factor with those specs? It seems you have a choice of badly specced machines that are very cheap or really extortionately priced gaming laptops with little in between.
  16. Gaming laptop, there's an oxymoron if I ever heard one. The "twist" in the value analysis changes nothing. Hell I could play with numbers to prove that an Intel i7-4960X is a "better value" than an AMD FX-6300 just by dropping it into a $10,000 system. Playing the percentages instead of the actual dollars makes it look better than it actually is because even though the percentage is smaller, it's still a smaller percentage of a larger number and ends up being the same. You say that the 8970M is 33% less expensive while the 780M is 13% faster? Man, you really do know how to screw with numbers don't you? The 780M is indeed 13% faster than the 8970M but it is a FULL 50% MORE EXPENSIVE than the 8970. Why are you trying so hard to word it like nVidia is the better value? No tech journalist is stupid enough to do it by accident!
  17. The cost of the gpu alone may be 50% more but when you put the whole system into account you may end up paying it 33% more, not 50%. Beside that, this time the price/performance ratio seems to favor amd imho.
  18. I wish the performance of the desktop counterparts would have been added to the charts. or even the desktop PRICE counterparts, so the 780M compared to the 780TI etc.
  19. Blazer1985, what you didn't understand is the difference of point of view between the 2 comparisons. It says "8970M is 33% less expensive // 780M is 13% faster". It should be either :"780M is 50% more expensive // 780M is 13% faster"OR"8970M is 33% less expensive // 8790M is x% slower"
  20. Don't play with numbers! :) 500 to 750 is 50% more expensive, BUT 750 to 500 is 33% less expensive, damn the mathematics!
  21. Honestly you would be silly to pay more than $1400 for a laptop... At that point it will no longer be mobile, and it will just be a desktop with heating issues. Believe me, I have been there...
  22. @blackmagnum "When will they make mainstream external boxes for these gaming cards? Give it a cheap and fast link to a notebook and price it competitively to the gaming laptops; awesome upgrades like the desktop crowd." i don't think that it will ever happen. laptops being all proprietary and non upgradeable is what has made them such profitable business over the years they are counting on people throwing away their old ones every three years. i wish it weren't true either.
  23. If you go into value I'd say its also a very important factor how much the performance increase with the huge bump in cpu price, if a significantly cheaper cpu performs marginally worse amd wins in value by a mile.Power usage also means noise so there is that as well.
  24. @sjc1017 In Korea, you can get an MSI laptop with an 8970m for about $1000 (1,100,000 krw @ EmartMall). 4700mq, 120gb 840 ssd, 1tb 7200, 16gb ram, 48cm (18inch). In other words, they charge what they know people are willing to pay.
  25. @sjc1017 In Korea, you can get an MSI laptop with an 8970m for about $1000 (1,100,000 krw @ EmartMall). 4700mq, 120gb 840 ssd, 1tb 7200, 16gb ram, 48cm (18inch). In other words, they charge what they know people are willing to pay.
  26. With the small screens involved with laptops, I've been perfectly happy gaming at 720p :-/ Still looks fantastic and much cheaper to boot.
  27. Godfavor said:
    What do you mean actual temperature minus ambient? What is the ambient temperature? If it is a 20 celcius then gtx 780m is 92.6 celcius??? That is very hot if it is true!
    It's a hard measurement to take seriously if you don't set a fixed 100% fan speed, which is why this author didn't take it very seriously. But the ambient temperatures for the past couple months have been 16° to 18° Celsius.

    Avro Arrow said:
    Gaming laptop, there's an oxymoron if I ever heard one. The "twist" in the value analysis changes nothing. Hell I could play with numbers to prove that an Intel i7-4960X is a "better value" than an AMD FX-6300 just by dropping it into a $10,000 system. Playing the percentages instead of the actual dollars makes it look better than it actually is because even though the percentage is smaller, it's still a smaller percentage of a larger number and ends up being the same.
    You could do that. And if you were planning to buy a $10,000 system, you SHOULD do that. The point is that when GAMING is the only thing that matters, any single improvement that makes your ENTIRE system GAME 13% better makes the ENTIRE system 13% more valuable. You can't win an argument against that, which is also why the System Builder Marathon machines rarely run FX processors.

    Godfavor said:
    Don't play with numbers! :) 500 to 750 is 50% more expensive, BUT 750 to 500 is 33% less expensive, damn the mathematics!
    LOL we had a running conversation with the German team about this because they wanted to use the SAME number when discussing things from either perspective. Eventually the leader of the US site insisted that the German's weren't wrong, but that math is different in Germany. LOL.
    Anyway, the two different perspectives were used because each was the winner's perspective: Advantage 8970M? 33% less expensive. Advantage 780M? 13% more performance.
    And when you swim 2/3 of the way across the English Channel, you prefer to hear "33% left to go!" rather than "50% farther!"
  28. I have the Mythlogic Chaos 1313, which is a rebranded Clevo W230ST. A nice 13.3 inch gaming laptop that has an i7-4700MQ, and a 765M GPU. It's performance is comparable to a Geforce GTX 650 Ti. Faster than an Xbox One, because this GPU actually uses GDDR5. Which means that I can actually do 1080p gaming. :P

    Great as a lightweight, portable gaming rig, and as a living room Steam Machine. If anybody is interested in pics and benchmarks, then check out my imgur album.

    https://imgur.com/a/PDUre
  29. Quote:
    Gaming laptop, there's an oxymoron if I ever heard one. The "twist" in the value analysis changes nothing. Hell I could play with numbers to prove that an Intel i7-4960X is a "better value" than an AMD FX-6300 just by dropping it into a $10,000 system. Playing the percentages instead of the actual dollars makes it look better than it actually is because even though the percentage is smaller, it's still a smaller percentage of a larger number and ends up being the same. You say that the 8970M is 33% less expensive while the 780M is 13% faster? Man, you really do know how to screw with numbers don't you? The 780M is indeed 13% faster than the 8970M but it is a FULL 50% MORE EXPENSIVE than the 8970. Why are you trying so hard to word it like nVidia is the better value? No tech journalist is stupid enough to do it by accident!


    I totally agree with you!

    It seems that the author is a hard pressed nvidia packmule.

    Also he also did not stress out that the GTX780m is a downclocked desktop GTX 680 he only stressed about the 8970M is a downclocked desktop HD7870.

    Considering that we are pitting a downclocked desktop GTX 680 vs a downclocked desktop HD7870, two totally uneven and totally different league cards, the GTX780m should trounce the 8970m by more than 13% to justify its 50% increase in price. Think about that.
  30. Ninjawithagun said:
    Actually, you are wrong. I'm so tired of seeing generalized 'assumption' posts like this. One shoe does not fit all in the world of gaming laptops. The fact is that the newest generation of CPU and GPU technlogy have dramatically improved the world of gaming laptops. Almost all of the companies that make laptops in the $850 to $6000 range that vary greatly in size and overall processing power. Will gaming laptops ever attain the comparable value dollar-for-dollar compared to the same amount of money for a desktop? Not today, but that could change. For now, the compromise is simple. If you want portability in gaming, the cost of entry for a gaming laptop is higher than if you were to build a desktop gaming system for the same amount of money. I have two high-end desktop gaming systems and one high-end gaming laptop and use them both. Is my gaming laptop as powerful as my desktop? No. But then I can't take my gaming desktop with me when I go on business trips out of state. That's where my gaming laptop picks up the duties very well. Ultimately, the best solution is to have both a desktop gaming system AND a gaming laptop, but only if you have a need for both. Don't be a hater just because you don't have need for one of the solutions. You should be happy because there is more than one choice for consumers to select from.


    Well said, you hit the nail on the head.

    I too have a gaming desktop and a gaming laptop. The versatility and convenience a gaming laptop provides is insurmountable. One just cannot sit around the house all his life to caress and drool over his gaming desktop, we have grown up duties to do outside the house, out there, in the real world, but the gamer in us will always be there its what we have been accustomed to ever since we were bestowed with our own consciousness.

    So when one has to leave his man cave due to said grown up duties, he takes the gaming with him. And THAT by all means necessitating a purchase of a gaming laptop.
  31. tableholder said:
    It seems that the author is a hard pressed nvidia packmule.

    Also he also did not stress out that the GTX780m is a downclocked desktop GTX 680 he only stressed about the 8970M is a downclocked desktop HD7870.

    Considering that we are pitting a downclocked desktop GTX 680 vs a downclocked desktop HD7870, two totally uneven and totally different league cards, the GTX780m should trounce the 8970m by more than 13% to justify its 50% increase in price. Think about that.
    That's just not an honest analysis of the article. The article compares the 780M to the 670.

    The author of the above comment must be hard-pressed for reasons to complain.
  32. Crashman said:
    That's just not an honest analysis of the article. The article compares the 780M to the 670.

    The author of the above comment must be hard-pressed for reasons to complain.


    Why did you have to compare the 780m with a desktop 670 like representative sample? Should'nt it be compared to a gtx 680 which it identically shares its exact specifications except for clockspeeds?

    While you compared the 8970m to its identical spec'd desktop card?

    If you were comparing to relative performance on a desktop card, the 780m comparison to a desktop 670 would have been acceptable. Only if you have also compared the 8970m to a desktop 7850.
  33. tableholder said:

    Why did you have to compare the 780m with a desktop 670 like representative sample?
    Because GTX 670 is a bigger naming downgrade than "underclocked GTX 680". And it's also a closer comparison (105 GT/s v 102 GT/s).
  34. Performance per dollar??$2k for a laptop is considered "expensive". For the same price, most anyone here can put together a desktop system that will beat any of these laptops. and probably last 2x as long.
  35. kittle said:
    Performance per dollar??$2k for a laptop is considered "expensive". For the same price, most anyone here can put together a desktop system that will beat any of these laptops. and probably last 2x as long.


    Duhh....
  36. kittle said:
    Performance per dollar??$2k for a laptop is considered "expensive". For the same price, most anyone here can put together a desktop system that will beat any of these laptops. and probably last 2x as long.
    Food per dollar? $6 for a bag of oranges is considered "expensive". For the same price, most anyone here can buy TWO bags of apples that will beat any of these bags of oranges in caloric content. and probably last them 2x as long.
  37. Man, there is just no love on this thread.... I love the fact that you can even get this kind of performance in a laptop! I was thinking my current laptop could last me another 2 years (just upgraded the HDD to SSD), but after reading this, I'm looking out at the possibilities... And for all the laptop haters out there, just don't hate man! I have 4 gaming PCs in my house (shared among me and my 3 boys), and I STILL want to have the capability to game when I'm mobile.

    Problem is, I couldn't be caught dead traveling with one of these guys.... just imagine giving a presentation to an EVP of a bank, showing up with an Origin gaming laptop - just wouldn't work out very well. No, I need to find a well built business class laptop with a 780m under the hood.... that's what I'm talkin' about.....
  38. Finally a financial analysis that makes sense. The silliness that recommended for example that buying faster memory wasn't worth it cause it was a 20% increase in memory price resulted in only a 3-5% increase in performance was ridiculous..... same for coolers, same for GFX, same for everything else.... an increase in overall system performance can ONLY sensibly be weighed in terms of overall system cost.As for the hi performance gaming notebooks being an oxymoron or unreliable, all I can say is 1) try it and 2) buy from a reputable seller. I use my systems primarily for AutoCAD and a side benefit is that what's good for AutoCAD is good for gaming tho I don't get to play much. But I have a 4.6Ghz 4770k desktop w/ twin 780s w/ 25% OC all watercooled w/ 144 Hz monitor and I have a year old laptop w/ 675MX and when I do get a chance to game, at least w/ most titles, I'm as likely to use one as the other. Metro and Crysis I played on the desktop but others like FarCry 3 were the same on both. FC3 barely wakes up the desktop.
  39. What is feel of the week
  40. Arkane5 has a point, you have to compare "faster with faster" and "price with price".
  41. Thanks for your hard work. It is a really well written and criticised article.
  42. thank you so much
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