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ashtonwilliams
February 5, 2014 4:43:22 AM
hi im brand new to pc building and i just wanted opinions on my hardware for my some what budget build pc. the main use of the pc will be gaming i wanted to know your opinions on the hardware. i would like to know whether it will all work together, what sort of performance (frame rate, resolution etc) i can expect from it in modern games (e.g. battlefield 4, assassins creed IV black flag, call od duty: ghosts etc) and also if the price of the hardware im buying is fair and resonable. (i live in australia by the way so it may be a bit more expensive here) and just any suggestions and info you are willing to give. i dont have a huge budget (with the hardware i currently sit at 670 dollars) but if you can suggest anything better for a simillar price even if its higher it would be greatly appreciated. i will link all the part after each piece of hard ware.
so my hardware includes:
(also im copying the name directly from jw.com.au cause im new to this i dont know what parts are relevent so i apoligize if i copy to much of the name)
CPU - AMD FX-6300 Vishera 3.5GHz
http://www.jw.com.au/amd-fx-6300-vishera-35ghz-41ghz-tu...
motherboard - ASUS M5A78L-M USB3 760G
http://www.jw.com.au/asus-m5a78l-usb3-760g-ddr3-pci-16-...
RAM - Team 8GB DDR3
http://www.jw.com.au/team-8gb-ddr3-1600mhz-dimm-p-14916
HDD - WD 500GB Scorpio Blue
http://www.jw.com.au/wd-500gb-scorpio-blue-wd5000bpvt-p...
optical drive - Samsung SH-S223B DVDRW
http://www.jw.com.au/samsung-sh-s223b-dvdrw-p-218
GPU - VTX3D AMD Radeon HD7850 2GB GDDR5 Gaming Graphic Card
http://www.jw.com.au/vtx3d-amd-radeon-hd7850-2gb-gddr5-...
Case - Aywun A1-923 Black Case+500W PSU
http://www.jw.com.au/aywun-a1-923-black-case500w-psu-p-...
sorry for the really long post i want to make sure im getting the right stuff is there anything essential i missed ? thankyou anyone who takes the time to read this and help.
so my hardware includes:
(also im copying the name directly from jw.com.au cause im new to this i dont know what parts are relevent so i apoligize if i copy to much of the name)
CPU - AMD FX-6300 Vishera 3.5GHz
http://www.jw.com.au/amd-fx-6300-vishera-35ghz-41ghz-tu...
motherboard - ASUS M5A78L-M USB3 760G
http://www.jw.com.au/asus-m5a78l-usb3-760g-ddr3-pci-16-...
RAM - Team 8GB DDR3
http://www.jw.com.au/team-8gb-ddr3-1600mhz-dimm-p-14916
HDD - WD 500GB Scorpio Blue
http://www.jw.com.au/wd-500gb-scorpio-blue-wd5000bpvt-p...
optical drive - Samsung SH-S223B DVDRW
http://www.jw.com.au/samsung-sh-s223b-dvdrw-p-218
GPU - VTX3D AMD Radeon HD7850 2GB GDDR5 Gaming Graphic Card
http://www.jw.com.au/vtx3d-amd-radeon-hd7850-2gb-gddr5-...
Case - Aywun A1-923 Black Case+500W PSU
http://www.jw.com.au/aywun-a1-923-black-case500w-psu-p-...
sorry for the really long post i want to make sure im getting the right stuff is there anything essential i missed ? thankyou anyone who takes the time to read this and help.
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February 5, 2014 5:10:19 AM
Have a look at www.staticice.com.au for price comparisons in Australia.
Some good retailers I have dealt with:
www.arc.com.au
www.pccasegear.com
www.umart.com.au
I would recommend against the case you have chosen because the included power supply is not good enough for a gaming computer.
You don't need a high rated supply, but you do need a quality supply.
Seasonic S12II 430 would be very good.
http://www.umart.com.au/pro/products_listnew.phtml?id=1...
Corsair CX 430 would be OK.
http://www.umart.com.au/pro/products_listnew.phtml?id=1...
The Seasonic is well worth the extra $6.
Find yourself a cheap case without a power supply (Fractal Design Core 3000 or Corsair R300 maybe).
The hard drive you have selected is over priced.
It is a 5400RPM model, which have poor performance.
It is only 500GB.
Here is a 1TB, 7200RPM drive for the same price:
http://www.umart.com.au/newindex2.phtml?bid=2
The Radeon 7850 is a good buy.
These cards are getting rare.
I have suggested the 430W supplies above based on the CPU and graphics card you have chosen.
The highest cards you can choose with the 430W supplies I have suggested is the AMD Radeon R9 270 or Nvidia GTX 660.
More powerful cards will require higher rated supplies (Antec High Current Gamer 520, Seasonic G 550 or Corsair CX 500 - Seasonic is the best of these, then Antec)
Some good retailers I have dealt with:
www.arc.com.au
www.pccasegear.com
www.umart.com.au
I would recommend against the case you have chosen because the included power supply is not good enough for a gaming computer.
You don't need a high rated supply, but you do need a quality supply.
Seasonic S12II 430 would be very good.
http://www.umart.com.au/pro/products_listnew.phtml?id=1...
Corsair CX 430 would be OK.
http://www.umart.com.au/pro/products_listnew.phtml?id=1...
The Seasonic is well worth the extra $6.
Find yourself a cheap case without a power supply (Fractal Design Core 3000 or Corsair R300 maybe).
The hard drive you have selected is over priced.
It is a 5400RPM model, which have poor performance.
It is only 500GB.
Here is a 1TB, 7200RPM drive for the same price:
http://www.umart.com.au/newindex2.phtml?bid=2
The Radeon 7850 is a good buy.
These cards are getting rare.
I have suggested the 430W supplies above based on the CPU and graphics card you have chosen.
The highest cards you can choose with the 430W supplies I have suggested is the AMD Radeon R9 270 or Nvidia GTX 660.
More powerful cards will require higher rated supplies (Antec High Current Gamer 520, Seasonic G 550 or Corsair CX 500 - Seasonic is the best of these, then Antec)
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I checked on the website and there are Corsair, Antec, Thermaltake and Coolermaster cases with psu which are all known brands. If you are going to buy a case with psu then try one that has power supply unit with atleast 500 watt of power and can deliver atleasr 30 amp on 12 +v rail (if you are going with the HD 7850 anyway) and preferably certified 80+ bronze (or higher if you can afford). The r9 270 is almost the same as HD 7850 but with newer tech so you should check it out as well as an option.
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February 5, 2014 5:43:13 AM
Have a look at this for a possible system:
http://www.pccasegear.com/sc/mgl
This is worth $727 and is balanced.
You can expect 1920x1080 games with medium to high settings.
If you did want to go faster, you would upgrade the CPU to a Core i5 as well as the graphics card, case and power supply.
That's going to push the price up by $200.
http://www.pccasegear.com/sc/mgl
This is worth $727 and is balanced.
You can expect 1920x1080 games with medium to high settings.
If you did want to go faster, you would upgrade the CPU to a Core i5 as well as the graphics card, case and power supply.
That's going to push the price up by $200.
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February 5, 2014 5:55:25 AM
AnEwG said:
or he can just stick to the same build he mentioned with a better power supply and graphic card, the GTX 760 for example. You keep bumping up your graphics card suggestion; R9 270, GTX 660 and now GTX 760.
The GTX 760 is worth over $300 in Australia, compared to the $175 he started at.
None of the cases you have suggested can power a GTX 760 and it wouldn't fit in most of them.
Cooling is also an issue for most of these cases with such a power hungry card.
That is coupled with a very weak CPU for games (the FX-6300).
Then he would still stuck with a 5400 RPM hard drive as well.
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VincentP said:
AnEwG said:
or he can just stick to the same build he mentioned with a better power supply and graphic card, the GTX 760 for example. You keep bumping up your graphics card suggestion; R9 270, GTX 660 and now GTX 760.
The GTX 760 is worth over $300 in Australia, compared to the $175 he started at.
None of the cases you have suggested can power a GTX 760 and it wouldn't fit in most of them.
Cooling is also an issue for most of these cases with such a power hungry card.
That is coupled with a very weak CPU for games (the FX-6300).
Then he would still stuck with a 5400 RPM hard drive as well.
And are both the GTX 660 and R9 270 more expensive? Why should he buy an older card when a better newer version of it with better tech exists and is probably priced the same?. But maybe you are right; I don't know about prices in Australia. And you have obviously checked every single case on the website. Good work. I suggested the GTX 760 because I thought it would be a less expensive solution with the build he suggested to play at 1080p. I didn't check the hard drive sorry.
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February 5, 2014 6:26:05 AM
AnEwG said:
VincentP said:
AnEwG said:
or he can just stick to the same build he mentioned with a better power supply and graphic card, the GTX 760 for example. You keep bumping up your graphics card suggestion; R9 270, GTX 660 and now GTX 760.
The GTX 760 is worth over $300 in Australia, compared to the $175 he started at.
None of the cases you have suggested can power a GTX 760 and it wouldn't fit in most of them.
Cooling is also an issue for most of these cases with such a power hungry card.
That is coupled with a very weak CPU for games (the FX-6300).
Then he would still stuck with a 5400 RPM hard drive as well.
And are both the GTX 660 and R9 270 more expensive? Why should he buy an older card when a better newer version of it with better tech exists and is probably priced the same?. But maybe you are right; I don't know about prices in Australia. And you have obviously checked every single case on the website. Good work. I suggested the GTX 760 because I thought it would be a less expensive solution with the build he suggested to play at 1080p. I didn't check the hard drive sorry.
Yes, the GTX 660 and R9 270 are more expensive than the HD 7850, particularly the no name card in the initial build.
R9 270 is essentially a re-badged HD 7870. These cards are all the same generation of technology.
The GTX 660 and R9 270 are faster than the HD 7850.
In the build I suggested I had to drop down to a GTX 650 Ti at allow for better quality components.
A GTX 660 or R9 270 would also be good in this build, but add at least $60 to the price.
A GTX 760 would be nice, but it would be better matched with a core i5 CPU and 550W power supply. For cooling it would need something better like the Silverstone TJ08-E case. This is well above the original price range.
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ashtonwilliams
February 5, 2014 1:06:29 PM
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February 5, 2014 1:30:50 PM
AnEwG said:
Do you mean that the fx 6300 would bottleneck the GTX 760? It depends on the game, resolution and detail settings.
You can never really say a CPU bottlenecks a graphics card in general, but in a specific situation it can be the bottleneck.
Say the FX-6300 can manage 40 FPS in a game.
Say the HD 7850 can produce 50 FPS at medium detail, 35 FPS at high detail or 25 FPS at ultra detail.
Which is the bottleneck?
If you run at medium detail, it is the CPU.
If you run at high detail, it is the graphics card.
Trying to build a cheap computer, you need to limit CPU and graphics card.
There will be situations where the CPU limits frame rates below what is good, and there will be situations where the graphics card will cause frame rate drops.
If you upgrade to a high end graphics card, the average frame rate will improve and you can use higher detail settings but the CPU limits will become more obvious.
The FX-6300 isn't bad. Reviews generally show it to be slower than the Core i3, Core i5, FX-6350 or FX-8350, but I can't find any reviews showing unplayable frame rates with this CPU.
I suggested the Core i3 4130 in the build I linked because it is faster in games at a similar price and uses much less power and produces much less heat.
A Core i5 gives you the same game performance with two threads as the core i3, but much more where more cores are required. This is likely to be more evident in large multiplayer games.
A core i3 + GTX 660 is a good compromise on cost against performance.
Upgrading the graphics card is going to make a bigger difference in games than the CPU, but it is better to improve both together.
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February 5, 2014 1:33:11 PM
ashtonwilliams said:
i have decided to change the case/PSU and upgrade the graphics card to a GTX660 i also have a friend who is a huge pc gamer who is going to give my a TB hard drive what sort of performance could i expect from this hardware oh and thanks for everyones help
You can expect 40 FPS plus at high detail settings in most games.
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ashtonwilliams
February 5, 2014 4:12:47 PM
VincentP said:
ashtonwilliams said:
i have decided to change the case/PSU and upgrade the graphics card to a GTX660 i also have a friend who is a huge pc gamer who is going to give my a TB hard drive what sort of performance could i expect from this hardware oh and thanks for everyones help
You can expect 40 FPS plus at high detail settings in most games.
what resolution would i be able to get generally ? would it be 720 p or 1080 p ?
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ashtonwilliams
February 5, 2014 4:22:50 PM
i was thinking of using Corsair VS550, 550W Power Supply
http://www.jw.com.au/corsair-vs550-550w-power-supply-p-...
Aywun A1-922 Black Case
http://www.jw.com.au/aywun-a1-922-black-case-no-psu-p-5...
would these be sutible ? also are they a fair price ? thanks
http://www.jw.com.au/corsair-vs550-550w-power-supply-p-...
Aywun A1-922 Black Case
http://www.jw.com.au/aywun-a1-922-black-case-no-psu-p-5...
would these be sutible ? also are they a fair price ? thanks
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ashtonwilliams
February 5, 2014 4:43:59 PM
ashtonwilliams
February 5, 2014 5:31:22 PM
ok i think i have my build it about 760 dollars just wondering your opinions on it
CPU:
AMD FX-6300 Vishera 3.5GHz
http://www.jw.com.au/amd-fx-6300-vishera-35ghz-41ghz-tu...
GPU:
Gigabyte Geforce GTX 660
http://www.jw.com.au/gigabyte-geforce-gtx-660-overclock...
RAM:
Team 8GB DDR3 1600MHz DIMM
http://www.jw.com.au/team-8gb-ddr3-1600mhz-dimm-p-14916
HDD: any i might get a free one or buy are relativly cheap one but im open to suggestions
optical drive:
Samsung SH-S223B DVDRW
http://www.jw.com.au/samsung-sh-s223b-dvdrw-p-218
CASE:Aywun A1-922 Black Case no PSU
http://www.jw.com.au/aywun-a1-922-black-case-no-psu-p-5...
PSU:
Corsair VS550, 550W Power Supply
http://www.jw.com.au/corsair-vs550-550w-power-supply-p-...
will this all work well and what can i expect performance wise and are they good prices ? thanks again so much
CPU:
AMD FX-6300 Vishera 3.5GHz
http://www.jw.com.au/amd-fx-6300-vishera-35ghz-41ghz-tu...
GPU:
Gigabyte Geforce GTX 660
http://www.jw.com.au/gigabyte-geforce-gtx-660-overclock...
RAM:
Team 8GB DDR3 1600MHz DIMM
http://www.jw.com.au/team-8gb-ddr3-1600mhz-dimm-p-14916
HDD: any i might get a free one or buy are relativly cheap one but im open to suggestions
optical drive:
Samsung SH-S223B DVDRW
http://www.jw.com.au/samsung-sh-s223b-dvdrw-p-218
CASE:Aywun A1-922 Black Case no PSU
http://www.jw.com.au/aywun-a1-922-black-case-no-psu-p-5...
PSU:
Corsair VS550, 550W Power Supply
http://www.jw.com.au/corsair-vs550-550w-power-supply-p-...
will this all work well and what can i expect performance wise and are they good prices ? thanks again so much
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February 6, 2014 3:39:10 AM
You have left a motherboard off your list.
The VS450 supply is OK for a cheap supply, better than the Aywun supply.
The case description doesn't seem to have any installed fans listed, but I guess there must be at least one.
If this is your first computer and you don't expect it to last too long these choices are probably fine.
If you do want it to last, spend a little more on your power supply and case.
Any 1TB 7200 RPM hard drive from Seagate, Western Digital or Hitachi will be fine.
The VS450 supply is OK for a cheap supply, better than the Aywun supply.
The case description doesn't seem to have any installed fans listed, but I guess there must be at least one.
If this is your first computer and you don't expect it to last too long these choices are probably fine.
If you do want it to last, spend a little more on your power supply and case.
Any 1TB 7200 RPM hard drive from Seagate, Western Digital or Hitachi will be fine.
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ashtonwilliams
February 6, 2014 2:00:10 PM
oh right my mother board is a ASUS M5A78L-M USB3
http://www.jw.com.au/asus-m5a78l-usb3-760g-ddr3-pci-16-...
would that be alright ?
also i will change the case to a CoolerMaster K380KWN1 Gaming Tower.
http://www.jw.com.au/coolermaster-k380kwn1-gaming-tower...
also i need to save money so i was thinking of going with a CoolerMaster 550W Extreme Power Plus as the PSU
http://www.jw.com.au/coolermaster-550w-extreme-power-pl...
that makes my build total to 787 dollars my original goal was about 700 but fir the better parts it worth it but i do need to save money on some components.
also im currently a gamer on the ps3 but my average game time is about 45 minutes to an hour and a half do you think that i will need extra fans for such a short play time ? thanks
http://www.jw.com.au/asus-m5a78l-usb3-760g-ddr3-pci-16-...
would that be alright ?
also i will change the case to a CoolerMaster K380KWN1 Gaming Tower.
http://www.jw.com.au/coolermaster-k380kwn1-gaming-tower...
also i need to save money so i was thinking of going with a CoolerMaster 550W Extreme Power Plus as the PSU
http://www.jw.com.au/coolermaster-550w-extreme-power-pl...
that makes my build total to 787 dollars my original goal was about 700 but fir the better parts it worth it but i do need to save money on some components.
also im currently a gamer on the ps3 but my average game time is about 45 minutes to an hour and a half do you think that i will need extra fans for such a short play time ? thanks
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February 6, 2014 2:29:33 PM
The cooling in the coolermaster case you have chosen should be fine. You can always add a rear exhaust fan later if you have problems.
The coolermaster power supply above is not good.
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Cooler-Master-eX...
The Corsair VS550 was a better choice. Still not fantastic, but you should get a couple years out of it.
The coolermaster power supply above is not good.
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Cooler-Master-eX...
The Corsair VS550 was a better choice. Still not fantastic, but you should get a couple years out of it.
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ashtonwilliams
February 6, 2014 3:03:40 PM
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