Budget PC build- Opinions and recomendations? (All opinions appreciated)

[Fubalo]

I am completely new to PC building, and this is my second attempt at making a reasonable budget build for gaming. Here's the build:

CPU

AMD Athlon X4 760K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor $100.98

Motherboard

MSI FM2-A75MA-E35 Micro ATX FM2 Motherboard $62.50

Memory

G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3-1600 Memory $48.99

Storage

Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $64.75

Video Card

MSI GeForce GTX 650 Ti 1GB Video Card $158.50

Case

Thermaltake VL80001W2Z ATX Mid Tower Case $43.00

Power Supply

Corsair Builder 430W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply $39.98

Optical Drive

Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer $16.79

Operating System

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) $103.52

Overall, it costs 640 Canadian dollars.

I'm not expecting to get top notch performance with this build, but I would like to get at least 40 fps on medium/ high settings on games like minecraft, ace of spades, goat simulator, and teamfortess 2.
I wouldn't be playing many, if any high end games, but, just to check, how much FPS on which settings would I get on games like Battlefield 4, Crysis 3 or planetside 2?
My plan with this build is to start low and slowly upgrade it. Is the current power supply enough for that, or would I have to upgrade that, too?

Thanks in advance!

 

[clutchc]

That'll do for a budget gamer. But for the money you are spending on a gfx card, go with the GTX 750 Ti SC card for more performance.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487024
The 750 Ti has about the same punch as the older GTX 650 Ti Boost... and doesn't even need a 6 pin connector.
http://gpuboss.com/gpus/GeForce-GTX-750-Ti-vs-GeForce-GTX-650-Ti-Boost
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1130?vs=1040
The SC version even takes it a bit higher.

If you can afford to get 2 x 4GB of memory instead, you will be able to take advantage of the 64 bit OS.

 

[Fubalo]

That'll do for a budget gamer. But for the money you are spending on a gfx card, go with the GTX 750 Ti SC card for more performance.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487024
The 750 Ti has about the same punch as the older GTX 650 Ti Boost... and doesn't even need a 6 pin connector.
http://gpuboss.com/gpus/GeForce-GTX-750-Ti-vs-GeForce-GTX-650-Ti-Boost
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1130?vs=1040
The SC version even takes it a bit higher.

If you can afford to get 2 x 4GB of memory instead, you will be able to take advantage of the 64 bit OS.

Would upgrading to 2x4 gb of memory make that big of a difference in FPS?

 

[clutchc]

That'll do for a budget gamer. But for the money you are spending on a gfx card, go with the GTX 750 Ti SC card for more performance.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487024
The 750 Ti has about the same punch as the older GTX 650 Ti Boost... and doesn't even need a 6 pin connector.
http://gpuboss.com/gpus/GeForce-GTX-750-Ti-vs-GeForce-GTX-650-Ti-Boost
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1130?vs=1040
The SC version even takes it a bit higher.

If you can afford to get 2 x 4GB of memory instead, you will be able to take advantage of the 64 bit OS.

Would upgrading to 2x4 gb of memory make that big of a difference in FPS?

Probably not in frame rate, no. Games are still mostly all 32 bit coded. That means they can only address 4 GB of memory. But windows uses some of your system memory as does anything else you have loaded in the background... leaving less for the game. That's why today we like to see 8GB or more for modern games. But if 4GB is your limit, you will not see any loss of FPS. Just a bit more time loading from the HDD between stages.

 

[Fubalo]

That'll do for a budget gamer. But for the money you are spending on a gfx card, go with the GTX 750 Ti SC card for more performance.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487024
The 750 Ti has about the same punch as the older GTX 650 Ti Boost... and doesn't even need a 6 pin connector.
http://gpuboss.com/gpus/GeForce-GTX-750-Ti-vs-GeForce-GTX-650-Ti-Boost
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1130?vs=1040
The SC version even takes it a bit higher.

If you can afford to get 2 x 4GB of memory instead, you will be able to take advantage of the 64 bit OS.

Would upgrading to 2x4 gb of memory make that big of a difference in FPS?

Probably not in frame rate, no. Games are still mostly all 32 bit coded. That means they can only address 4 GB of memory. But windows uses some of your system memory as does anything else you have loaded in the background... leaving less for the game. That's why today we like to see 8GB or more for modern games. But if 4GB is your limit, you will not see any loss of FPS. Just a bit more time loading from the HDD between stages.

All right, thanks, I think I'll stick with 4gb and upragde to 8 later. Do you know roughly how many FPS I would get on the games I listed?

 

[clutchc]

No, that will depend on your monitor's resolution, the settings in game you use, and whether you are playing single player or online multiplayer. And if the latter, the number of players the CPU/GPU has to keep track of. Plus, the games you listed run a wide gamut of CPU and/or GPU demand. But you should have smooth game-play if you back off a bit on the settings of the most demanding of games.

 

[Fubalo]

No, that will depend on your monitor's resolution, the settings in game you use, and whether you are playing single player or online multiplayer. And if the latter, the number of players the CPU/GPU has to keep track of. Plus, the games you listed run a wide gamut of CPU and/or GPU demand. But you should have smooth game-play if you back off a bit on the settings of the most demanding of games.

OK thanks for all the help!

 

[Tom Tancredi]

In my opinion I think your shooting yourself in your foot, and no you be on low graphics and display for modern (2013 forward) titles IF they played at all and would be WAY to low FPS you just be headshot every other second.

Now there is ways to PC game, but as a 'new' build (you don't even own the OS) you will have to target at above $700 to meet these requirements and have a chance to play the modern titles. here is a easy suggestion:

http://outlet.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/controller/e/outlet_us/LenovoPortal/en_US/catalog.workflow:expandcategory?current-catalog-id=A4A41B4CA13D4754AE2FBF7721EBF357&current-category-id=71CA4FA889894DE833B851384B1F2D77&menu-id=products&ref-id=products#/?page-index=1&page-size=100&facet-6=1&facet-6=2&sort-criteria=1&facet-3=10&AID=10383968&PID=4485850&SID=777f2a5bd32d4a4cba3b9abca2365f44&CJURL=http%3A%2F%2Foutlet.lenovo.com%2FSEUILibrary%2Fcontroller%2Fe%2Foutlet_us%2FLenovoPortal%2Fen_US%2Fcatalog.workflow%3Aexpandcategory%3Fcurrent-catalog-id%3DA4A41B4CA13D4754AE2FBF7721EBF357%26current-category-id%3D71CA4FA889894DE833B851384B1F2D77%26menu-id%3Dproducts%26ref-id%3Dproducts%23%2F%3Fpage-index%3D1%26page-size%3D100%26facet-6%3D1%26facet-6%3D2%26sort-criteria%3D1%26facet-3%3D10&PUBNAME=Slickdeals+LLC&NID=CJ

Processor: Intel® Core™ i5-4440 Processor (6M Cache, up to 3.30 GHz)
Operating system: Windows 8.1 Standard 64 - English
Display: None - Desktop
Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce GT 635
Memory: 8 GB (2 x 4GB) PC3-12800 DDR3 SDRAM 1600MHz UDIMM Memory
Hard Drive: 1TB, 7200RPM Serial ATA 3.5" Hard Drive
Optical Drive: DVD Recordable Serial AT

Swapout the GT 635 (sell it on Ebay $30 http://www.ebay.com/itm/NVIDIA-GeForce-GT-635-1GB-DDR3-OEM-Video-Card-/161206469548?pt=PCC_Video_TV_Cards&hash=item2588a783ac ) for your 650Ti and grab your PSU (I am not sure what Lenovo puts in but the industry norm is only 300W) and you got a very nice High Level gamer's rig for a long time.

Personally you could call it even with this rig http://slickdeals.net/f/6573552-acer-desktop-pc-intel-core-i7-4770-3-4ghz-12gb-ddr3-1tb-hdd-dvd-burner-card-reader-hdmi-wi-fi-usb-3-0-warranty-windows-8-599-99-ac-free-shipping-w-masterpass-newegg Install the GPU and swap PSu and you got a ULTRA level playing gamer's rig for only a little bit more compared to the i5 or your build.

Slickdeals.net keeps showing alot of deals by Acer / lenovo on Haswell i7s as low as $549, but you always need to add GPU and swap PSu to support the GPU on them .

 

[Fubalo]

In my opinion I think your shooting yourself in your foot, and no you be on low graphics and display for modern (2013 forward) titles IF they played at all and would be WAY to low FPS you just be headshot every other second.

Now there is ways to PC game, but as a 'new' build (you don't even own the OS) you will have to target at above $700 to meet these requirements and have a chance to play the modern titles. here is a easy suggestion:

http://outlet.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/controller/e/outlet_us/LenovoPortal/en_US/catalog.workflow:expandcategory?current-catalog-id=A4A41B4CA13D4754AE2FBF7721EBF357&current-category-id=71CA4FA889894DE833B851384B1F2D77&menu-id=products&ref-id=products#/?page-index=1&page-size=100&facet-6=1&facet-6=2&sort-criteria=1&facet-3=10&AID=10383968&PID=4485850&SID=777f2a5bd32d4a4cba3b9abca2365f44&CJURL=http%3A%2F%2Foutlet.lenovo.com%2FSEUILibrary%2Fcontroller%2Fe%2Foutlet_us%2FLenovoPortal%2Fen_US%2Fcatalog.workflow%3Aexpandcategory%3Fcurrent-catalog-id%3DA4A41B4CA13D4754AE2FBF7721EBF357%26current-category-id%3D71CA4FA889894DE833B851384B1F2D77%26menu-id%3Dproducts%26ref-id%3Dproducts%23%2F%3Fpage-index%3D1%26page-size%3D100%26facet-6%3D1%26facet-6%3D2%26sort-criteria%3D1%26facet-3%3D10&PUBNAME=Slickdeals+LLC&NID=CJ

Processor: Intel® Core™ i5-4440 Processor (6M Cache, up to 3.30 GHz)
Operating system: Windows 8.1 Standard 64 - English
Display: None - Desktop
Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce GT 635
Memory: 8 GB (2 x 4GB) PC3-12800 DDR3 SDRAM 1600MHz UDIMM Memory
Hard Drive: 1TB, 7200RPM Serial ATA 3.5" Hard Drive
Optical Drive: DVD Recordable Serial AT

Swapout the GT 635 (sell it on Ebay $30 http://www.ebay.com/itm/NVIDIA-GeForce-GT-635-1GB-DDR3-OEM-Video-Card-/161206469548?pt=PCC_Video_TV_Cards&hash=item2588a783ac ) for your 650Ti and grab your PSU (I am not sure what Lenovo puts in but the industry norm is only 300W) and you got a very nice High Level gamer's rig for a long time.

Personally you could call it even with this rig http://slickdeals.net/f/6573552-acer-desktop-pc-intel-core-i7-4770-3-4ghz-12gb-ddr3-1tb-hdd-dvd-burner-card-reader-hdmi-wi-fi-usb-3-0-warranty-windows-8-599-99-ac-free-shipping-w-masterpass-newegg Install the GPU and swap PSu and you got a ULTRA level playing gamer's rig for only a little bit more compared to the i5 or your build.

Slickdeals.net keeps showing alot of deals by Acer / lenovo on Haswell i7s as low as $549, but you always need to add GPU and swap PSu to support the GPU on them .

Without upgrading the graphics card and CPU, would this run smaller games such as minecraft or team fortress 2?

 

[clutchc]

@ OP
Your original rig you specked out will be way more than you need for minecraft, ace of spades, goat simulator, and teamfortess 2. BF4, C3, PS2 will require reduced settings. C3 brings down even the best of the machines.

 

[Fubalo]

@ OP
Your original rig you specked out will be way more than you need for minecraft, ace of spades, goat simulator, and teamfortess 2. BF4, C3, PS2 will require reduced settings. C3 brings down even the best of the machines.

Wow, that's awesome! thanks... again.

 

[Tom Tancredi]

...
Processor: Intel® Core™ i5-4440 Processor (6M Cache, up to 3.30 GHz)
Operating system: Windows 8.1 Standard 64 - English
Display: None - Desktop
Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce GT 635
Memory: 8 GB (2 x 4GB) PC3-12800 DDR3 SDRAM 1600MHz UDIMM Memory
Hard Drive: 1TB, 7200RPM Serial ATA 3.5" Hard Drive
Optical Drive: DVD Recordable Serial AT

Swapout the GT 635 (sell it on Ebay $30 http://www.ebay.com/itm/NVIDIA-GeForce-GT-635-1GB-DDR3-OEM-Video-Card-/161206469548?pt=PCC_Video_TV_Cards&hash=item2588a783ac ) for your 650Ti and grab your PSU (I am not sure what Lenovo puts in but the industry norm is only 300W) and you got a very nice High Level gamer's rig for a long time.

Personally you could call it even with this rig http://slickdeals.net/f/6573552-acer-desktop-pc-intel-core-i7-4770-3-4ghz-12gb-ddr3-1tb-hdd-dvd-burner-card-reader-hdmi-wi-fi-usb-3-0-warranty-windows-8-599-99-ac-free-shipping-w-masterpass-newegg Install the GPU and swap PSu and you got a ULTRA level playing gamer's rig for only a little bit more compared to the i5 or your build.

Slickdeals.net keeps showing alot of deals by Acer / lenovo on Haswell i7s as low as $549, but you always need to add GPU and swap PSu to support the GPU on them .

Without upgrading the graphics card and CPU, would this run smaller games such as minecraft or team fortress 2?

Yes they can, though better witht he 635 then with the IGP. Haswell chips set include the video on the CPU die, not much in the way of FPS mind you (as all IGP suck for that) but yes you could reasonably play those titles otherwise.

Honestly if your going to be balking at around $500 anyway, save the time and headache and just go console. PS3/Xbox 360s are under $149 and play all modern games still with no worries on hardware 'is good enough'. Plus as consoles last 10 years,(see then they were released) without hardware changes, PC side swaps out every 5 the entire system or else your unable to play current titles/ compatible with current software-hardware.

 

[Fubalo]

...
Processor: Intel® Core™ i5-4440 Processor (6M Cache, up to 3.30 GHz)
Operating system: Windows 8.1 Standard 64 - English
Display: None - Desktop
Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce GT 635
Memory: 8 GB (2 x 4GB) PC3-12800 DDR3 SDRAM 1600MHz UDIMM Memory
Hard Drive: 1TB, 7200RPM Serial ATA 3.5" Hard Drive
Optical Drive: DVD Recordable Serial AT

Swapout the GT 635 (sell it on Ebay $30 http://www.ebay.com/itm/NVIDIA-GeForce-GT-635-1GB-DDR3-OEM-Video-Card-/161206469548?pt=PCC_Video_TV_Cards&hash=item2588a783ac ) for your 650Ti and grab your PSU (I am not sure what Lenovo puts in but the industry norm is only 300W) and you got a very nice High Level gamer's rig for a long time.

Personally you could call it even with this rig http://slickdeals.net/f/6573552-acer-desktop-pc-intel-core-i7-4770-3-4ghz-12gb-ddr3-1tb-hdd-dvd-burner-card-reader-hdmi-wi-fi-usb-3-0-warranty-windows-8-599-99-ac-free-shipping-w-masterpass-newegg Install the GPU and swap PSu and you got a ULTRA level playing gamer's rig for only a little bit more compared to the i5 or your build.

Slickdeals.net keeps showing alot of deals by Acer / lenovo on Haswell i7s as low as $549, but you always need to add GPU and swap PSu to support the GPU on them .

Without upgrading the graphics card and CPU, would this run smaller games such as minecraft or team fortress 2?

Yes they can, though better witht he 635 then with the IGP. Haswell chips set include the video on the CPU die, not much in the way of FPS mind you (as all IGP suck for that) but yes you could reasonably play those titles otherwise.

Honestly if your going to be balking at around $500 anyway, save the time and headache and just go console. PS3/Xbox 360s are under $149 and play all modern games still with no worries on hardware 'is good enough'. Plus as consoles last 10 years,(see then they were released) without hardware changes, PC side swaps out every 5 the entire system or else your unable to play current titles/ compatible with current software-hardware.

I already have an xbox 360 and an xbox one, I am just trying to get into PC gaming as well.