VESA Adds Adaptive-Sync to DisplayPort 1.2a Standard

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Dschwin

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Will Adaptive-Sync be the same as G-Sync where it only works with games if the game is played in full screen mode? I was going to get a do it yourself kit for G-Sync for my monitor until I read it doesn't work on windowed mode games.
 

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Will Adaptive-Sync be the same as G-Sync where it only works with games if the game is played in full screen mode? I was going to get a do it yourself kit for G-Sync for my monitor until I read it doesn't work on windowed mode games.

That's a good question. I imagine it probably would only work in full screen (for now). The same is true for 3D. You have to be in full screen mode for it to work. But that's more likely a resolution problem. I'm sure we'll hear more about it soon when monitors start to come out!
 

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It doesn't work in windowed mode (like 3D) because you would need an adaptive refresh rate that effects only part of the monitor. I'm sure that might be possible in the future but I'm not sure when or if that would be implemented I could see it being done easily with OLED displays but the question is if they would make a chip for the displays and drivers for the GPU's capable of allowing handling such a feature.
 

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AMD is kicking nVidia's arse this year. Console win, bitcoin win, 290x win, 295x win, Freesync win, 7850k win, API/Mantle win, AMD killed Crossifre bridges too. What has nVidia done? They dropped the price on their POS handheld, released a gimped 28nm version of their MIA new architecture, got embarrassed with G-sync, and debuted a card so hideously overpriced they are ashamed of releasing it. The irony is that they remain more profitable than AMD. Is there any justice in the world?
 
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AMD is kicking nVidia's arse this year. Console win, bitcoin win, 290x win, 295x win, Freesync win, 7850k win, API/Mantle win, AMD killed Crossifre bridges too. What has nVidia done? They dropped the price on their POS handheld, released a gimped 28nm version of their MIA new architecture, got embarrassed with G-sync, and debuted a card so hideously overpriced they are ashamed of releasing it. The irony is that they remain more profitable than AMD. Is there any justice in the world?
Do the AMD cards still require more power? Nvidia still have PhysX acceleration in their graphics cards but that may not be worth all that much. Also their Linux drivers likely still perform better and only they have (afaik) proprietary drivers for FreeBSD and Solaris.

AMD free drivers are improving though but it's not like they are up to closed nvidia standard in speed.
 

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NV already here, this will take at least a year and only if people update scalers (AMD will face same as NV here). Also Gsync is a hardware solution that fixes all problems unlike freesync which is a solution by a company that can't afford R&D for the real deal (how will latency be and will AMD's drivers be good?). At $100 on debut, gsync will be much cheaper when integrated rather than an add-on. Also I don't think monitor makers will pass up a chance to label something a "NEW" feature and charge you to get it. Why would they bother changing out stuff immediately without a financial benefit. No different than we saw with the ridiculous fees for installing gsync at some places.

"which definitely adds value to the product lineup"
I agree...And they will charge you for this. Probably a $100...LOL.

Biggest thing to note here, you depend on AMD drivers and they can't afford to fix the last model's drivers. Also it will cost you a new card and monitor just like NV so why not buy the real thing with an end to end fix? Already have an AMD card that works with displayport? The same can be said on NV's side and a much bigger share of the market supports gsync on the card already as NV owns 65% share vs. AMD 35%.

If NV is smart they'll support it in a driver they won't release until forced to (this is just plain good business). I'd fire any manager that didn't push that idea. You spent R&D on gsync so ride it until forced out of it and attempt to kill the crap way to solve this (freesync is "FREE" for a reason, it's second rate). Proprietary is good when it's better as long as it's pretty affordable. I'd easily hand over $100 today to get out of tearing, jutter, lag/stutter...Don't forget new monitors with gsync built in will be removing a chip by default not being replaced after so you're already taking some of the $100 off just by not replacing the chip. Also don't forget SCALER tech has to be updated to support freesync (which is why it's not in any desktop monitor, they have been slow to update scalers), so raise your hand if you think that R&D is free...Nobody. :)

Why did NV create the FPGA? Because the one in the monitors right now can't get the job done. We had problems that couldn't be fixed currently so NV solved it with a card. That isn't nefarious it's called DOING YOUR JOB. Your experience is better with GSYNC than without. If you created something (anything) today, would you give it away free? Are you evil for charging?...LOL. Don't start a business, you've already failed before starting as business is in business to make money, period.

What this article should say is Gsync monitors will be popping up all over shortly, NOT freesync. They'd be here already if NV hadn't ran into silicon problems or maybe tough to do anyway, so how well do you think AMD will handle an "issue" that pops up? 2yrs and phase 3 again? You can downrate me for saying it but this is a fact we've seen play out over the last 2yrs. No denying this.

Considering after you remove the chip it's probably $50 including it in a monitor, I'll take the real solution and count on NV vs AMD drivers. Love AMD or not, you're not paying attention if you think AMD's drivers are not an issue. Phase 3. Nuff said.

And for people who rant on NV proprietary stuff. It's the reason freesync was checked into for desktops, and a software solution isn't the WHOLE answer to the problem. How free is it if you have to buy the same crap as anyone on Gsync side? Actually no cables on NV side, you already have them and need new everything on AMD side. Open stuff is great unless it's worse. I'm guessing integrated gsync will be under $50, but I'm being cautious here.

AMD=new card or cpu+monitor (as no desktop monitors have the tech)+AMD drivers (?)
NV=new card+monitor+nv drivers.

Difference about $50 on integrated stuff (or less) and we all know the driver story...I'll gladly pay a premium today for something I live with for 5+ years. Don't forget if AMD is pushing something that doesn't make them a dime...Well, it doesn't make them a dime. You can't do R&D without making some dimes ;) Which is why drivers are going into phase 3 for 2yr old tech (no dimes), why retail 290/290x had issues (had to crank the fans on 290 and 290x ref had throttle issues), enduro has issues, gave up cpu race, etc etc... It shouldn't take you two years to support your product properly. We'll probably be on DX12 before AMD fixes their dx9/10 driver support, or maybe they'll never get it fixed.

You all should be crying for AMD to CHARGE for any product they have or are involved in (and I mean a GOOD price so they can PROFIT). Anyone not crying for AMD to make money hasn't looked at their 10yr summary of finances. You can't win any war losing ~7Billion over 10yrs and ~2Bil debt. They have to earn ~225mil just to pay interest on the debt before they make a dime. I can't understand people who chant "amd is awesome giving us free crap"...Yeah all the way to bankruptcy. Your free products, cheap product chants etc are killing AMD. You should want BOTH sides making money so the war can go on forever.
 

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NV already here, this will take at least a year and only if people update scalers (AMD will face same as NV here). Also Gsync is a hardware solution that fixes all problems unlike freesync which is a solution by a company that can't afford R&D for the real deal (how will latency be and will AMD's drivers be good?). At $100 on debut, gsync will be much cheaper when.............

Sir Stop... fundamental improvements should be a industry standards. AMD seems to understand this. They were working on this feature for battery devices with VESA since before g-sync as a power saving feature (less refreshing less power).

I do hope it wont have latency problems because of sheer amount NVIDIA fanboys with rageboners.
If there was a battle Nvidia has already lost it... Display Port adaptation is cheap for screen manufacturers in 5 years this will be in every display port monitor, because it's a standard now we just need to wait for industry to release their new screen lineups. That's they key for widespread, not specialised monitor versions at premium price.
 

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Biggest thing to note here, you depend on AMD drivers and they can't afford to fix the last model's drivers. Also it will cost you a new card and monitor just like NV so why not buy the real thing with an end to end fix? Already have an AMD card that works with displayport? The same can be said on NV's side and a much bigger share of the market supports gsync on the card already as NV owns 65% share vs. AMD 35%.

Not true. R 2xx series will support it. So you only need a Monitor and AMD to update the driver.

If NV is smart they'll support it in a driver they won't release until forced to (this is just plain good business). I'd fire any manager that didn't push that idea. You spent R&D on gsync so ride it until forced out of it and attempt to kill the crap way to solve this (freesync is "FREE" for a reason, it's second rate). Proprietary is good when it's better as long as it's pretty affordable. I'd easily hand over $100 today to get out of tearing, jutter, lag/stutter...Don't forget new monitors with gsync built in will be removing a chip by default not being replaced after so you're already taking some of the $100 off just by not replacing the chip. Also don't forget SCALER tech has to be updated to support freesync (which is why it's not in any desktop monitor, they have been slow to update scalers), so raise your hand if you think that R&D is free...Nobody. :)
There is monitors already on the market, but needs firmware update. Which is unlikely to happen and to pass Vesa A-sync test.

And for people who rant on NV proprietary stuff. It's the reason freesync was checked into for desktops, and a software solution isn't the WHOLE answer to the problem. How free is it if you have to buy the same crap as anyone on Gsync side? Actually no cables on NV side, you already have them and need new everything on AMD side. Open stuff is great unless it's worse. I'm guessing integrated gsync will be under $50, but I'm being cautious here.

It is not soft solution the GPU will drive the V-blank in the monitor incited of add-in bord of NV.
AMD=new card or cpu+monitor (as no desktop monitors have the tech)+AMD drivers (?)
NV=new card+monitor+nv drivers.
It is the same for NV and AMD. If you don't have last gen card. You will need one. NV still has only one G-sync monitor at the moment.

Difference about $50 on integrated stuff (or less) and we all know the driver story...I'll gladly pay a premium today for something I live with for 5+ years. Don't forget if AMD is pushing something that doesn't make them a dime...Well, it doesn't make them a dime. You can't do R&D without making some dimes ;) Which is why drivers are going into phase 3 for 2yr old tech (no dimes), why retail 290/290x had issues (had to crank the fans on 290 and 290x ref had throttle issues), enduro has issues, gave up cpu race, etc etc... It shouldn't take you two years to support your product properly. We'll probably be on DX12 before AMD fixes their dx9/10 driver support, or maybe they'll never get it fixed.

You keep bashing AMD drivers they are not what they used to be, same as NV. They to have problems.
 

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this is a year off, where as nvidia's "hardware" solution is already on the market.

Incorrect.
AMD's solution was already available for some time, it was simply never used.
AMD uses existing hardware and only has to provide driver support to include the function... Nvidia's solution requires new hardware chip that does the same thing and is proprietary (which monitor manufacturers have to agree to use - and that seems unlikely since AMD's solution does the same thing with far less cost).
 
There are supposed to be 2560x1440 120Hz+ G-sync monitors available in 2Q (this quarter... so before the end of June?) this year.

Where my G-sync at!??

I like the idea of G-sync, but I would rather support some open standard such as Adaptive-sync. Adaptive-sync makes sense just as G-sync makes sense, but if Nvidia doesn't embrace the adaptive sync, we may as well call AMD's implementation proprietary as well, since there are no other players in the GPU market.

See what I'm saying here? If AMD can't sell Adaptive-sync to Nvidia, AMD is the only player using Adaptive-sync (at least from the PC standpoint). Gahhhh!

We really need a 3rd player in this market to keep things (prices and tech) honest.
 

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This will be VESA standard for display port. Adaptation will be very wide while gsync will be very expensive and requiring agreement each time between manufacturer and nvidia.

 

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People don't seem to realize that Adaptive-Sync displays still need a VRR ASIC (very much like the G-Sync board) - the manufacturing costs may actually be similar. Also, you can bet there will be different implementations of those boards with different qualities (unless they all use a single OEM).
Will Adaptive-Sync be the same as G-Sync where it only works with games if the game is played in full screen mode? I was going to get a do it yourself kit for G-Sync for my monitor until I read it doesn't work on windowed mode games.
Of course it will be the same. Windowed games do not and cannot control the refresh rate - such a feature needs OS support (or sneaky drivers).
To be precise, there are features to control refresh rate, but aren't very adaptive - eg. power saving via DxgkDdiSetVidPnSourceAddress (WDDM 1.3+).
 


I have a pair of AMD cards sitting around. I love AMD for their price/performance, but since I've gone small form factor, their heat production has become an issue... and since I've switched over to nvidia cards, I have to admit, the drivers haven't given me hell on a regular basis.

(And if you're calling me a fanboy, just look at pezonator and shogunofharlom...)
 


Same here. I haven't had but one driver issue since I went to Nvidia cards and that one time was only with the installation through the Geforce Experience. I still have nightmares about my Radeon 5850s and the drivers. It was nothing but issues back then.

I have become AMD-curious again with the release of the R9 290 and 290x, though.

Personally, I hate to have a choice between only two GPU chip producers. With only two, they can't help but collude over prices on us. Not throwing out accusations but its not a coincidence they both jumped up flagship GPU prices by $200-$300 at the same darn time. It's like gas stations across the street from each other staring at each other's price signs, but we're not talking commodities here.
 

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This will be VESA standard for display port. Adaptation will be very wide while gsync will be very expensive and requiring agreement each time between manufacturer and nvidia.

It is an optional feature. If manufacture want to implement it, they need to make a scaler chip so the GPU to drive the V-blank interval.
 

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A big win! I can picture AMD holding Nvidia around the neck, lifting them off the ground and punching them in the face.
The truth will probably be nVidia dropping the licence fee to reduce cost. The nVidia tech is superior to FreeSync, that sadly, however, means nothing to consumers. Especially consumers who think 128K audio is as good as Hi-Fi.
 
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