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GTX 770 Under-performing?

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May 18, 2014 9:58:16 PM

Hey guys!

I just dished out $360 to get the Nvidia GTX 770 4GB by PNY. This is an upgrade from the 560TI. Anyway, I feel like it's under-performing. I've been playing a lot of DayZ and ARMA 3 lately and with ARMA 3 I barely see my FPS go above 30. I usually see it in the 20's and dips into the teens sometimes. I know, people say those games are poorly optimized and such. Is there a way to really test my card to see if it's performing how it should be? I ran Unigine Valley benchmark on ExtremeHD and got the following - 41.0 average FPS and only a score of 1717. I see people getting about 2000 with my card or lower cards. Could it be because of my other PC parts? I will list my full parts down below. Plus there is a picture of my benchmark.

Intel Core i7 2600k
GTX 770 4GB
650Watt PSU
ASRock P67 Extreme4 Gen3
16GB Corsair Vengeance Pro


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May 18, 2014 10:14:02 PM

for valley on high my 770 2gb (your 4 gb memory does nothing for extra performance at 1920x1080) stock got an avg fps of 85.1, score of 3561, min fps 32 and max fps 151. on ultra the numbers were 45, 1869, 23, and 83. those were at stock for my MSI N770 2 gb. My OC scores were of course higher.

If you like try downloading the 3D Mark demo and running those benchmarks, they will show how your system ranks against similar builds who have also run the benches

How did you get that card so cheap?
May 18, 2014 10:26:25 PM

Jameson Clark said:
for valley on high my 770 2gb (your 4 gb memory does nothing for extra performance at 1920x1080) stock got an avg fps of 85.1, score of 3561, min fps 32 and max fps 151. on ultra the numbers were 45, 1869, 23, and 83. those were at stock for my MSI N770 2 gb. My OC scores were of course higher.

If you like try downloading the 3D Mark demo and running those benchmarks, they will show how your system ranks against similar builds who have also run the benches

How did you get that card so cheap?


Ok, now I'm confused. I just ran mine on High and only got 3 more FPS average (44) and a score of 1841. What could be the problem with this? I'm thinking about returning it. I got it from amazon and I meant to say 360 ! I will change that but can you suggest anything to me?
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May 18, 2014 10:49:11 PM

I've got a gtx 770 as well, lemme download unigine valley and see what my score is.
May 18, 2014 10:53:40 PM

like i said try 3DMark and see where your system sits compared to other similar systems. While the 2 of us on this thread can compare a little bit, 3DMark will compare with a lot of people
May 18, 2014 10:53:43 PM

James Mason said:
I've got a gtx 770 as well, lemme download unigine valley and see what my score is.


Ok cool let me know.
May 18, 2014 10:55:43 PM

Jameson Clark said:
like i said try 3DMark and see where your system sits compared to other similar systems. While the 2 of us on this thread can compare a little bit, 3DMark will compare with a lot of people


Yeah, I will do that tomorrow and let you know. Please check back on this thread tomorrow.
May 18, 2014 11:10:14 PM

Extreme HD

FPS:
47.4
Score:
1983
Min FPS:
24.4
Max FPS:
88.8
System

Platform:
Windows 8 (build 9200) 64bit
CPU model:
Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3570K CPU @ 3.40GHz (3399MHz) x4
GPU model:
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 770 9.18.13.3221 (2048MB) x1
Settings

Render:
Direct3D11
Mode:
1920x1080 8xAA fullscreen
Preset
Extreme HD
Powered by UNIGINE Engine
Unigine Corp. © 2005-2013
May 18, 2014 11:21:29 PM

Yeah, see Jameson has a 3rd gen cpu, I have 4th gen, and you have a 2nd gen, and we're both higher than you with "the same" graphics card, and Jameson even has a less vram than us.
May 18, 2014 11:32:35 PM

I doubt it is the CPU. what is your CPU running at because mine is overclocked to 4.5. My bet is that our "same" gpus are running at different clock rates
May 18, 2014 11:37:29 PM

James Mason said:
Yeah, see Jameson has a 3rd gen cpu, I have 4th gen, and you have a 2nd gen, and we're both higher than you with "the same" graphics card, and Jameson even has a less vram than us.


Yeah, but according to CPUBoss I have slight better performance than Jameson's and when I compare your's it gets a higher rating but I still have 1 higher in performance. I've read multiple places that this CPU I have will not bottleneck the 770.
May 18, 2014 11:41:06 PM

Jameson Clark said:
I doubt it is the CPU. what is your CPU running at because mine is overclocked to 4.5. My bet is that our "same" gpus are running at different clock rates


I have my CPU running at 4.0 GHz and you can see my stock specs for the gpu here http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
a b Î Nvidia
May 18, 2014 11:45:08 PM

Its defiantly not the CPU.. This is what I get with a i5 2500k (same gen) and a gtx 680 (running at similar clock speeds to 770) on Extreme HD preset.




To the OP. Can you check your CPU and GPU temps while in games/ benchmarking? incase there is any throttling. Also uninstall the nvidia drivers and install again fresh.
a c 85 Î Nvidia
May 19, 2014 7:34:41 AM

Do you ever play with 3D Vision? I've found that having Stereoscopic 3D enabled in the drivers, even if you turn off the effect, will result in 5-10% loss in performance, which is what you have compared to the others. You may also have some features turned on in the 3D Settings they do not.
May 19, 2014 10:40:19 AM

RobCrezz said:
Its defiantly not the CPU.. This is what I get with a i5 2500k (same gen) and a gtx 680 (running at similar clock speeds to 770) on Extreme HD preset.




To the OP. Can you check your CPU and GPU temps while in games/ benchmarking? incase there is any throttling. Also uninstall the nvidia drivers and install again fresh.


Thank you Rob! I will go ahead and do that now and send you some results. I'll do it while running Valley.
May 19, 2014 12:58:46 PM

RobCrezz said:
Its defiantly not the CPU.. This is what I get with a i5 2500k (same gen) and a gtx 680 (running at similar clock speeds to 770) on Extreme HD preset.

To the OP. Can you check your CPU and GPU temps while in games/ benchmarking? incase there is any throttling. Also uninstall the nvidia drivers and install again fresh.


Rob, here is a picture of my GPU sensors while running the benchmark -



Here is my CPU usage and such. It has Total and Max CPU Usage -



I'm currently installing my drivers again and will let you know if anything changes. I installed them and am still getting around the same score. I got 1808.
a b Î Nvidia
May 20, 2014 12:52:18 AM

Run GPU Z please on the sensors page and run valley again and see what the max temp, max clockspeed and max memory clock speeds are please.
a b Î Nvidia
May 20, 2014 1:00:48 AM

Well that is strange.. Your gpu and memory speeds are fine, temps are fine.

If I were you I would do a full wipe and reinstall of windows (after backing up your stuff). Will be the simplest way of ruling out any software problems.
May 20, 2014 8:05:11 AM

RobCrezz said:
Run GPU Z please on the sensors page and run valley again and see what the max temp, max clockspeed and max memory clock speeds are please.


Okay, here it is during the test -



And if I have to do a fresh install I will but hopefully I can fix it. I just don't know what would be wrong. I've overclocked it +130 on the core clock and +300 on the mem clock and got a score of 2131. I forget the FPS on that but I thought it should be like that stock!
a c 85 Î Nvidia
May 20, 2014 8:09:53 AM

You never did tell me if you have Stereoscopic 3D enabled in the drivers. That would account for the loss in FPS. Even if you don't use 3D, if it is enabled in the drivers, it lowers performance some.

Your settings in the Nvidia control panel can also effect your results. Forcing on transparency SSAA, or V-sync can have a big effect on performance.
a b Î Nvidia
May 20, 2014 8:27:53 AM

2131 sounds a lot more like it. I would expect around 1900-2000ish on a stock 770. Maybe nothing is wrong?
May 20, 2014 9:54:42 AM

RobCrezz said:
2131 sounds a lot more like it. I would expect around 1900-2000ish on a stock 770. Maybe nothing is wrong?


Yeah but my stock is 1700...Do you think 2131 is good if so I could just keep it overclocked. It wont hurt the card will it? I monitored temps and stuff but still haven't monitored it for a long period of time..
May 20, 2014 9:57:14 AM

bystander said:
You never did tell me if you have Stereoscopic 3D enabled in the drivers. That would account for the loss in FPS. Even if you don't use 3D, if it is enabled in the drivers, it lowers performance some.

Your settings in the Nvidia control panel can also effect your results. Forcing on transparency SSAA, or V-sync can have a big effect on performance.


Stereoscopic 3D is off. As well, so is Vertical Sync
a b Î Nvidia
May 20, 2014 12:32:37 PM

Won't hurt the card at all, your temps are fine also.
May 20, 2014 12:39:00 PM

I ran an EVGA 770 non SC for awhile.

Here's a a Valley run, the cpu was at stock too.



May 20, 2014 1:25:20 PM

marc79 said:
I ran an EVGA 770 non SC for awhile.

Here's a a Valley run, the cpu was at stock too.





I'm at a loss on why it's performing below par at stock....Do you have any suggestions?
May 20, 2014 1:37:26 PM

Can you run 3DMark Firestrike? I could check it and compare to my scores, it will give both the physics score (cpu) and graphics score.
May 20, 2014 2:31:01 PM

marc79 said:
Can you run 3DMark Firestrike? I could check it and compare to my scores, it will give both the physics score (cpu) and graphics score.


OKay, got those scores. Here it is -



Also, I'm not sure if the 'achievement' I got is hinting at something or not. It says my CPU doesn't want to play. Which doesn't really make sense as I got a lower score in Valley than someone with an i5 2500k.



I have my CPU at 4.0 GHz right now, should I go higher? I would need a good cooler first though :/ 
May 20, 2014 2:42:43 PM

Ghz doesn't mean everything. Evidenced by Intel performing better than AMDs.
May 20, 2014 2:45:53 PM

Your physics score is a bit low (cpu). For example at stock clocks I get around ~11k score for physics. Your 2600k at stock should yield around 9k. The cpu is underperforming a bit, maybe due to unstalbe overclock. What I would do is return your cpu to stock, and redo the test at stock clocks. Your overclock might be causing issues. Clear cmos and return to stock, and rerun the tests.

As evidenced by that achievement, something is holding back your cpu, I don't know what though.

May 20, 2014 3:04:01 PM

marc79 said:
Your physics score is a bit low (cpu). For example at stock clocks I get around ~11k score for physics. Your 2600k at stock should yield around 9k. The cpu is underperforming a bit, maybe due to unstalbe overclock. What I would do is return your cpu to stock, and redo the test at stock clocks. Your overclock might be causing issues. Clear cmos and return to stock, and rerun the tests.

As evidenced by that achievement, something is holding back your cpu, I don't know what though.



Okay, well I'm glad we're narrowing it down here and I appreciate your help. I will go ahead and do that now. However, I'm not sure how to clear CMOS. Is that just resetting BIOS to default or does it require something else?

EDIT: Just looked it up. I will go ahead and do that now.
May 20, 2014 3:10:34 PM

Yeah that's basically it, either return to default in bios, or by clearing cmos. For example on my board clearing cmos requires jumper being moved from 1-2 to 2-3 position for at least 10 sec. while the computer is off and power cable unplugged. Some boards have clear cmos button.
May 20, 2014 3:42:40 PM

marc79 said:
Yeah that's basically it, either return to default in bios, or by clearing cmos. For example on my board clearing cmos requires jumper being moved from 1-2 to 2-3 position for at least 10 sec. while the computer is off and power cable unplugged. Some boards have clear cmos button.


Ok, I've done all of that and got about 1,000 more physics score. Along with that, that achievement went away!



However, I am still lower than others as you can see here -



That is stock though. When I apply my OC settings to my GPU that goes up a lot. What do you think now? Does everything look okay?
May 20, 2014 3:47:37 PM

marc79 said:
Yeah that's basically it, either return to default in bios, or by clearing cmos. For example on my board clearing cmos requires jumper being moved from 1-2 to 2-3 position for at least 10 sec. while the computer is off and power cable unplugged. Some boards have clear cmos button.


AND GUESS WHAT! You see my original Valley score of 1717? I now get 1946 stock! I think you fixed my problem man!!
May 20, 2014 3:52:23 PM

Yeah, that's better the physics score is more or less on par with other stock 2600k's.

1946 in Valley is pretty similar to my 4770k/770, I think you're good now.

Remember those other scores in Firestrike will be higher as they're running overclock on both cpu and gpu most likely.

Just by looking at your score @stock you're good in firestrike. Your gpu score is good and it looks as though your cpu (physics) score is fine.
May 20, 2014 3:53:35 PM

marc79 said:
Yeah, that's better the physics score is more or less on par with other stock 2600k's.


Thank you so much for the help man! I really do appreciate it.
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