AMD FX-7600P Kaveri Review: FX Rides Again...In A Mobile APU?
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We had a chance to play with AMD's new mobile flavor of the Kaveri APU. While it sheds some of its desktop-related limitations, will it be able to take the fight to Intel's stronghold, the Notebook space?
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June 3, 2014 11:06:00 PM
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roymustang
June 4, 2014 12:27:06 AM
Rather than posting what we already know will be crappy framerates of recent games I wish that when outlets reviewed iGPUs they used some old games to see how those would run. Nobody buys a mobile APU expecting to use it for Battlefield 4. But people do like running older games on their APUs because those will most likely run decently. It would be nice to see how something like Final Fantasy XI or Knights of the Old Republic would run on this. Final Fantasy XI even has a benchmarking tool called Vana'diel Bench 3.
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roymustang said:
Rather than posting what we already know will be crappy framerates of recent games I wish that when outlets reviewed iGPUs they used some old games to see how those would run. Nobody buys a mobile APU expecting to use it for Battlefield 4. But people do like running older games on their APUs because those will most likely run decently. It would be nice to see how something like Final Fantasy XI or Knights of the Old Republic would run on this. Final Fantasy XI even has a benchmarking tool called Vana'diel Bench 3.I agree, though it still makes sense to keep one demanding game in the test suite to give perspective on where this hardware stands compared to dedicated graphics cards and high-end CPUs.
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Saiki4116
June 4, 2014 2:53:56 AM
Thanks for including Dota2 Benchmarks. I had experienced FPS drop on my current Laptop(almost dead with i5-450M and HD5470, 1366*768, 4GB RAM) due to overheating, I tried to reduce resolution and tried many configs, but the problem was there.I have let Raptor(AMD 's app) to adjust the profile for Dota2, after that I didn't face the problem.
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Saiki4116
June 4, 2014 2:57:59 AM
mitcoes16
June 4, 2014 3:57:41 AM
SteelCity1981
June 4, 2014 5:51:00 AM
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jamez45
June 4, 2014 6:28:18 AM
jamez45 said:
Over at Anand they said the GPU drivers were slightly older, Mantle isn't enabled properly in them. Could be why the numbers between DirectX and Mantle are pretty much the sameMantle only shows an advantage in Battlefield 4 in rare cases, regardless of the driver. The game also requires a ton of VRAM for Mantle to show a gain instead of a loss. I have an in-depth analysis coming soon.
Having said that, Thief shows impressive gains across the board in Mantle.
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mitcoes16 said:
I miss 720p testings that is the resolution a clever player would use with this GPUs1080p and demanding games are not good benchmarks for this GPUs you must use less demanding games or test lower resolutions It is not the same benchmarking F1s than Nascars or electric cars
We *did* use 720p where the graphics processor couldn't handle it... in Battlefield 4
The FX-7600P worked fine at 1080p with Dota2, Grid2, and WoW, so why would we lower the resolution?
I take great pride in testing at real-world settings, and I often lower to 720p when 1080p is too demanding.
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xenol
June 4, 2014 8:38:15 AM
h2323
June 4, 2014 8:51:07 AM
“AMD is trying to give the impression of fast, responsive performance, and our sample does seem to achieve that.”
“That top-of-the-line FX-7600P is a completely functional Kaveri APU, with both of its Steamroller modules (four integer cores) and all 512 of its shaders enabled.”
“While AMD appears confident in the ULV Kaveri's ability to compete against Core i7-4500U, the higher TDP meant we needed to find an Intel-based platform with a comparable thermal ceiling. I tapped the 37 W Core i7-4702MQ within Acer's Aspire V3.”
37 W Core i7-4702MQ this a 380$ dollar part……….. way more than Kaveri
No Firestrike score.
I would prefer different benchmarks.
“That top-of-the-line FX-7600P is a completely functional Kaveri APU, with both of its Steamroller modules (four integer cores) and all 512 of its shaders enabled.”
“While AMD appears confident in the ULV Kaveri's ability to compete against Core i7-4500U, the higher TDP meant we needed to find an Intel-based platform with a comparable thermal ceiling. I tapped the 37 W Core i7-4702MQ within Acer's Aspire V3.”
37 W Core i7-4702MQ this a 380$ dollar part……….. way more than Kaveri
No Firestrike score.
I would prefer different benchmarks.
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h2323 said:
“AMD is trying to give the impression of fast, responsive performance, and our sample does seem to achieve that.”
“That top-of-the-line FX-7600P is a completely functional Kaveri APU, with both of its Steamroller modules (four integer cores) and all 512 of its shaders enabled.”
“While AMD appears confident in the ULV Kaveri's ability to compete against Core i7-4500U, the higher TDP meant we needed to find an Intel-based platform with a comparable thermal ceiling. I tapped the 37 W Core i7-4702MQ within Acer's Aspire V3.”
37 W Core i7-4702MQ this a 380$ dollar part……….. way more than Kaveri
No Firestrike score.
I would prefer different benchmarks
Hi h2323, great to see you again. I took the liberty of erasing your unproductive rhetoric to address your actual concerns:
1. You've listed the top three quotes with no comments beside them. Not sure what kind of point you're trying to make, there. Does that mean you like them?
2. AMD didn't provide pricing, so we compared a mobile Core i7 part with similar wattage AS PER AMD's DIRECTION. If you disagree with their decision, I encourage you to contact their PR team.
3. I can only assume you have no idea what Firestrike is for. As per Futuremark:
"Fire Strike is a showcase DirectX 11 benchmark designed for today's high-performance gaming PCs. It is our most ambitious and technical benchmark ever, featuring real-time graphics rendered with detail and complexity far beyond what is found in other benchmarks and games today."
Mobile integrated GPUs are not "high performance gaming PCs". Would you find it valuable to see benchmark results of a slideshow? We wouldn't.
4. You indicated that you would prefer different benchmarks, but didn't mention which ones, or why?
Have a great day!
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h2323
June 4, 2014 9:39:12 AM
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h2323
June 4, 2014 9:47:55 AM
h2323 said:
Considering the price of i7-4702MQ, I feel its too expensive to be compared.Price is difficult to discuss when AMD has no laptops on the market yet.
However, as I stated, AMD specifically told us that Kaveri mobile would compete against Core i7 Haswell parts of similar wattage. We went through a great deal of trouble to accomodate their direction, because it would have been much easier to source a 19W Core i7 part.
Having said that, we agree that AMD will probably end up cheaper. As per our conclusion:
"The final piece of the puzzle is price. We won't know the specifics until AMD gets some mobile Kaveri design wins on the shelves. At a similar cost, you'd choose a Core i7-4702MQ or FX-7600P based on your preference for intense computing tasks or graphics ability, respectively. But I'd be a little surprised if those two chips ended up in similarly-priced laptops. If you could save a significant amount of money by choosing the AMD option, the value proposition could be compelling. As always, we'll have to wait until we have commercially available laptops to test in order to do a real value analysis. But no matter how you slice it, the mobile version of Kaveri is a stronger opponent than its predecessor."
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h2323 said:
"While AMD appears confident in the ULV Kaveri's ability to compete against Core i7-4500U, the higher TDP meant we needed to find an Intel-based platform with a comparable thermal ceiling. I tapped the 37 W Core i7-4702MQ"Article reads like the 4702 was hand picked
It was!
read carefully: "While AMD appears confident in the ULV Kaveri's ability to compete against Core i7-4500U"
ULV Kaveri is 19 Watts!
However, they provided a 35 Watt Kaveri chip for benchmarking, indicating that the i7-4500U was not a target for comparison per AMD's guidelines.
AMD asked for an i7 comparison with similar wattage, so we hand picked the Core i7-4702 accordingly.
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h2323
June 4, 2014 9:53:41 AM
h2323 said:
cleeve, the editing of my posts are getting a little nuts, I mean what I write not the way you want me to.....you edited this. Yes.
I'm not taking bait anymore, if it's inflammatory it will get erased. Having said that, I keep any questions and concerns in play, and I will paraphrase them in respectful language when necessary.
I truly value everyone's comments and concerns, but not the insults. And I will do my very best to answer them, too, in a cordial manner.
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Anyways, I felt I should clarify my first comment. We all know laptops aren't as popular now as they were before we entered the era of tablets. Could they make a comeback now that APUs are finally able to actually play some popular titles? The APU surely reduces cost of a gaming laptop which normally would need an expensive discreet card. I think there might be some money to be made here if AMD can actually get some contracts. If only we could build our own laptops...
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xenol said:
The only thing missing from this that I would find is the real deal breaker: what is the power consumption?With similar TDPs we can assume its the same ballpark. But honestly, there's little point in speculation until we have actual, shipping laptops to test. Hopefully that's on the way soon.
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Amdlova said:
Cleeve thanks for the info. so the processor on this benchmark its running on same power than a i7 35w. and when that go to store will have only 19w ? if i remember a time ago the i3 ulv second generation have 17w. will this kaveri a nice improve over all mobile cpu thus far.My pleasure!
The Kaveri FX-7600P is 35 Watts, but the ULV FX-7500 is a 19 Watt part.
AMD has a 17 Watt Kaveri, but it's the Pro series 7050B, a dual-core CPU.
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h2323
June 4, 2014 10:45:09 AM
If you have to compare kaveri to i7 the specs of the i7 4558U make it a better comparison...for intel and amd(iris pro), but the price difference is still way off. It looks difficult to find the right chip to compare but its clear that the Kaveri series is more directed at i5, where any of the 8 i5 chips with similar TDP's would be a more accurate comparison of price/performance with comparable TDP.
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AMD has had quite some time to bin & stockpile these chips -- it would be nice to see a great variety of selections hit the channel in decent numbers (and decent builds).
If OEMs can't see fit to spec some with SSDs at a fair price (it was hard to say that with a straight face), may they keep a hands-off approach to those who choose to mod on their own.
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If you have to compare kaveri to i7 the specs of the i7 4558U make it a better comparison...for intel and amd(iris pro), but the price difference is still way off. It looks difficult to find the right chip to compare but its clear that the Kaveri series is more directed at i5, where any of the 8 i5 chips with similar TDP's would be a more accurate comparison of price/performance with comparable TDP. Well, the i7-4558U is 7 watts lower and the i7-4702MQ is 2 watts higher than FX-7600P, so the latter is the closer target. I doubt it'd make a huge difference anyway. [edit: didn't realize the 4558U has Iris graphics at first... it'd probably do a lot better than the 4702MQ when it comes to the game benchmarks]
And AMD made it very clear that the i7 was the target, although it depends on pricing as to what they actually compete with. But that might be an indicator as to what AMD wants to charge for them.
Pricing is key, no matter how you slice it. We'll have to wait until AMD gets some design wins in the market before we can nail pricing down, but it'll be interesting to see how it hits the market.
Frankly, I'm a little disappointed that AMD didn't give us a 19W FX-7500 to test, as I think it'd have fared well against the i7-4500U. Then again, in their FX-7500 vs i7-4500U benchmarks, they had almost identical PCMark scores, just as the FX-7600P and i7-4702MQ did. Always hard to say.
But at the end of the day, if you can get an FX-7600P laptop for $200 less than an i7-4702MQ, it's a great win for AMD. Can't determine that until we have products on the shelves, unfortunately.
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Thorfkin
June 4, 2014 12:01:24 PM
So far I'm quite fond of my desktop Kaveri APU. With a decent Zalman cooler I was able to push the performance to 4.4ghz cpu / 1029mhz gpu comfortably. It runs pretty much everything I play (Fallout & Elder Scrolls) at max detail. Good APU for budget gaming. Can't wait till there are some mobile version Windows 8.1 tablets available.
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...Frankly, I'm a little disappointed that AMD didn't give us a 19W FX-7500 to test ...
Maybe they've got so many in the channel they don't have any to spare
Being the first shot at the node (and 'new' SHP process), hopefully AMD will find a way to fire-up the 2 missing CUs in the quad-core 19w envelop (with a new stepping, or the next-gen Carizo)
Are these all fab'ed in Germany, or are some made at GloFlo-NY?
(they note 60k wafer-starts/ month there)
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o2cats
June 4, 2014 1:41:05 PM
It seems like any benchmarks of the Ax-7xxxP should be against an ix-4xxxM, not MQ, and the 7xxx, should be against the ix-4xxxU, at approximately the closest price point. That leaves plenty to choose from, in laptops in the market. While no Kaveri pricing is available, you can buy a laptop, with the top predecessor processor, using Richland, for less than this MQ's processor alone, so I do not think anyone seriously expects that to be its competition.
Maybe we are just waiting on OEMs to release their Kaveri laptops, in both 19w, and 35w forms, to make it worthwhile. I am glad to see any data, and we have time before we can actually buy a Kaveri laptop. Hopefully we can get that data so a more realistic comparison can be made in the near future? Thanks
Maybe we are just waiting on OEMs to release their Kaveri laptops, in both 19w, and 35w forms, to make it worthwhile. I am glad to see any data, and we have time before we can actually buy a Kaveri laptop. Hopefully we can get that data so a more realistic comparison can be made in the near future? Thanks
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Yuka said:
We need a value comparison and an i5 in the mix. Also, why not test a low en "discrete" nVidia GPU?You can't do a value comparison unless you know how much something will cost.
As I've said, we have to wait for design wins and commercial availability to know what products will be similarly priced. Otherwise, we're just making sloppy guesses by throwing in comparison products that may not be in the ballpark. That doesn't work either.
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Lessthannil said:
I cant seem to find power consumption figures.That's because they're not there!
As stated in the review, we were only given a few hours of testing with a prototype. We'll have to wait for actual, commercially available laptops to make power usage determinations.
The TDP will tell some of the story, but for more in-depth coverage we'll have to wait for product.
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falchard
June 4, 2014 8:24:10 PM
danwat1234
June 4, 2014 11:49:24 PM
ykki
June 5, 2014 3:15:57 AM
shogunofharlom
June 5, 2014 4:21:31 AM
When you factor in the fact that intel needs a discrete and often power hungry gpu to compete with amd apus then those efficiency numbers along with price to performance go down the tubes. Also, one must consider that your average intel laptop has now added another component in that nvidia gpu which represents yet another point of failure. AMD owns the sub $600 mobile market. I dont know why anyone would buy anything else.
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Would be nice to see a comparative against Intel best effort. The 5200 Iris pro. Not really ... there is nothing 'comparative' between the 2 unless you wanted to pair a 270X with the APU against the Iris Pro.
I think it fair game to pair an i3 with a $60-$70 discreet against the Kaveri APU as they are still a bit pricey. It's tougher against a Trinity/Richland APU as deals on DDR3 2133/2400MHz RAMs can be found at the $70+/- price point these days.
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