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Xbox One Gets 10% Power Boost by Ditching the Kinect

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Anonymous
June 6, 2014 6:06:55 PM

With the extra computing overhead required to make the Kinect work on the Xbox One, the higher price point and the weaker performance on Microsoft's console, it was only a matter of time before the Xbox One ditched the Kinect.

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June 6, 2014 8:13:19 PM

Still slower than a PS4 and more expensive even with the price cut (PS4s are $379 all over the place) and now lacks its supposed selling feature.
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June 6, 2014 8:24:14 PM

Out of curiosity, what'll happen to all the people with the old Xbox One when/if games are optimized to actually USE that extra 10%? Will they just have to disable Kinect to play them?
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June 6, 2014 8:29:04 PM

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Out of curiosity, what'll happen to all the people with the old Xbox One when/if games are optimized to actually USE that extra 10%? Will they just have to disable Kinect to play them?


I would guess that it would just disable the kinect when you play the games.
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June 6, 2014 8:57:43 PM

huge burn on anyone who bought an xbox one already
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June 6, 2014 9:21:13 PM

So they took the same attitude with Kinect that they did with Windows 8's Metro interface and both burned them in the end. Sales of Windows 8 were/are slow and the sales spike of the Xbone was short due to hardcore XBox fans. Once the hardcore people had theirs, the sales trailed off.

At what point will MS start listening to customer feedback BEFORE finalizing the designs and going to retail? How bad does it have to get?
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June 6, 2014 10:07:49 PM

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So they took the same attitude with Kinect that they did with Windows 8's Metro interface and both burned them in the end. Sales of Windows 8 were/are slow and the sales spike of the Xbone was short due to hardcore XBox fans. Once the hardcore people had theirs, the sales trailed off.

At what point will MS start listening to customer feedback BEFORE finalizing the designs and going to retail? How bad does it have to get?


Remember money talks so whatever hurts their wallets will make them listen.

Right now it's marketing that is shoving this down everybody's throats and customers are starting to rebel by disconnecting the kinect device.

I have one for my Xbox 360 and while it's a great item but it wears off over time.
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Anonymous
June 6, 2014 10:24:20 PM

So their motion capture device was a constant 10% drain on the GPU resources even when not being used? I don't think so. I bet that MS rep gave himself a pat on the back for coming up with that "positive spin".
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Anonymous
June 6, 2014 10:31:29 PM

This actually reminds me of the tale of that optimist who loses a leg but says it's okay because now he will only have to polish a single shoe.
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June 6, 2014 11:21:57 PM

Adding a peripheral causes extra work for the system? Big shock, same thing applies for anything else you plug in. You may get a boost by removing it but technologically it is a step backwards. The voice and motion control is great for fat lazy sofa-tards, surely the Americans should be lapping if up?
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June 6, 2014 11:30:24 PM

Yay so now it almost fully utilizing its 7770 while the PS4 is sporting a 7870! The gap is almost closed! /s
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June 7, 2014 12:41:55 AM

10% more performance!?!?!?!? oh noes, ps4 is shaking in it's boots!!!

not to mention microsoft will have to update their software ecosystem for the developers to take advantage of freed up performance headroom. until then, it's still the flaccid XBOne(R) as before.
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June 7, 2014 3:06:03 AM

+10% of nothing is still nothing! Darn i love a dual gpu setup =P
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June 7, 2014 4:55:17 AM

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Out of curiosity, what'll happen to all the people with the old Xbox One when/if games are optimized to actually USE that extra 10%? Will they just have to disable Kinect to play them?


No it's smart software. When a game loads, the Xbox One OS will ask, "Are you using Kinect video and mapping features?"

If the game says yes, then the extra 10% is not given.
If the game says no, then the video mapping features of kinect are disabled and the game is given 10% more gpu resources. Audio features still work.

When the user snaps back to dashboard, the system takes back those 10% resources while the game is suspended.

It's a smart and flexible system, and this is how it should have been done to begin with.
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June 7, 2014 7:11:49 AM

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Out of curiosity, what'll happen to all the people with the old Xbox One when/if games are optimized to actually USE that extra 10%? Will they just have to disable Kinect to play them?


You have to take the 4mb expansion back out of you N64 and put it in your XBOX One.
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June 7, 2014 7:14:21 AM

So 10% better rendering of Laura Croft's better half? I can't argue with that marketing.
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June 7, 2014 8:16:45 AM


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So their motion capture device was a constant 10% drain on the GPU resources even when not being used? I don't think so. I bet that MS rep gave himself a pat on the back for coming up with that "positive spin".


I'm pretty sure they had the resources reserved on the OS level regardless if the kinect was being used by the game or not.

The original plan was to have every xbox have a kinect, so it does, in fact make sense that that 10% reserve would be enabled 100% of the time regardless if the game made use of the kinect or not.

Seems like now they're just enabling the developer to gain access to those reserved resources.
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June 7, 2014 8:28:57 AM

It's been a year since E3 last year when Microsoft had probably one of the biggest fails ever in a new product introduction, by backing off several things they were going to be requiring (the console to be online even if you are playing single player and don't want to be online, you must log in every 24 hours, restrictions on used games and game swapping with friends, etc.). Now they are taking away kinect to boost performance.

Microfail, I would strongly suggest for your next generation of console you actually LISTEN to your users.
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June 7, 2014 8:42:24 AM

Microsoft is so full of promises, it reminds me of politicians during elections.
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June 7, 2014 10:25:58 AM

even though many of you guys are right about microsoft's backpeddling, let's all remember that they have a new ceo, and many of the decisions made in the past few months were definitely influenced by him.

he may very well begin to listen to consumers. let's all see.
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June 7, 2014 2:15:28 PM

I hope the new MS ceo really listens and correct the prev clowns mistakes - After all the customers are the ones purchasing the products and if you forget about them... they sure will forget about your company!

The fall of big company's happens when they listen to little or sometimes to much... at the wrong people!
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June 7, 2014 8:18:25 PM

good move for temp fix for now, but they should release Xbox Two 2-3yrs later which will also backward compatible with all xbox one games and FULLY capable to run 1080p or partially 4K. Also release a new xbox hardware every 2-3yrs. Console life cycle shouldnt last 6-8yrs. Thats just soo wrong.
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June 8, 2014 12:48:22 AM

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Yay so now it almost fully utilizing its 7770 while the PS4 is sporting a 7870! The gap is almost closed! /s

Not quite right. While shader count is similar (xbox: between 7770 and 7790 or 260x; PS4: between 7850 and 7870 or r9 270), lower core clocks and slower memory systems gives them both disadvantages... in the end it doesn't matter much at all, sony should be much more powerfull to really make a visual difference. There are other more important things for this gen of consoles to be fully utilised for years to come.
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June 8, 2014 12:07:11 PM

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Yay so now it almost fully utilizing its 7770 while the PS4 is sporting a 7870! The gap is almost closed! /s

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Yay so now it almost fully utilizing its 7770 while the PS4 is sporting a 7870! The gap is almost closed! /s

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Yay so now it almost fully utilizing its 7770 while the PS4 is sporting a 7870! The gap is almost closed! /s

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Yay so now it almost fully utilizing its 7770 while the PS4 is sporting a 7870! The gap is almost closed! /s


The PS4 actually has a GPU closer to the R7 265/7850. However, I do agree with you saying that the Xbox One's GPU is closer to a 77770/250X.
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June 8, 2014 2:18:27 PM

And still outdated hardware by 2 years and counting.
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June 9, 2014 6:17:36 AM

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And still outdated hardware by 2 years and counting.


Ofc - Its consoles... the ones that will keep gpu tech "hostage" for 7 more years since there will be little software that actually take advantage of more than the meeh hardware they have!
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June 9, 2014 8:12:15 AM

Does this mean I am going to have to experience a frame rate drop every time I snap something or use my voice? Is it going to take longer for me to multitask while I wait for the Xbox to reclaim the GPU memory back from the game?
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June 9, 2014 8:14:10 AM

i still say huge burn on anyone that bought an xbox already. you were forced to buy a kinnect under the promise that xbox would be forcing everyone to have one and therefor support for it would be amazing... because everyone had one. now they are going to sell xbox without one and are removing it's reserved processing.

let the down voting commence. you all still got burnt. not to mention, ps4 is better hardware, playing at higher resolutions without screen tearing or stuttering, like the xbox one. for less money too.
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June 9, 2014 9:31:59 AM

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Still slower than a PS4 and more expensive even with the price cut (PS4s are $379 all over the place) and now lacks its supposed selling feature.


Where? I see them for $399 on all major retailer sites and stores..
eBay doesn't count.
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June 9, 2014 9:45:20 AM

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i still say huge burn on anyone that bought an xbox already. you were forced to buy a kinnect under the promise that xbox would be forcing everyone to have one and therefor support for it would be amazing... because everyone had one. now they are going to sell xbox without one and are removing it's reserved processing.

let the down voting commence. you all still got burnt. not to mention, ps4 is better hardware, playing at higher resolutions without screen tearing or stuttering, like the xbox one. for less money too.

I have yet to see screen tearing or stuttering on my Xbox One. You probably didn't go into settings to set the optimal settings for your TV. Also if Microsoft goes this way with Xbox one I don't mind, just means more people will be playing with me (although most of them have the one too), and I love the kinect and loved it since having the Kinect on the 360 (which I took a very long time to buy after it came out). When you count all the expenses of buying the new console (xbox live, games, and everything), here in Canada both consoles pretty much cost the same, after said expenses.

What I saw in a video yesterday, they were saying something similar about game developpers not listening to their players, but it still applies here. The people that test these things are "yes men" as they want to keep their job, that's how we end up in these messes, they care too much about their job and just say yes it's a good idea to everything. What should really be happening is these testers say "no it's not such a great idea". Anyway that's what the person in the video was saying. Not sure I completely agree with this, but if it's right, just means the companies should do actual betas and let ordinary people test their stuff before launching it.
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June 9, 2014 1:03:08 PM

Kinda funny people were upset at the choices MS made with the Xbox one (rightly so) so MS get a new CEO then changes to what people wanted/thought the way it should have been at the start but now people are upset becaues they got what they wanted ??? I mean this this good news people complained with their wallets and MS listen isn't this how business are support work ? Granted they thought that people would like the changes at the start which they were very wrong so they change it since that is what the customer demands in a little over 6 months time which is pretty fast in the business world for a company as large as ms.
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June 9, 2014 3:09:22 PM

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Still slower than a PS4 and more expensive even with the price cut (PS4s are $379 all over the place) and now lacks its supposed selling feature.


Where? I see them for $399 on all major retailer sites and stores..

eBay doesn't count.


Sure it does if its a big store selling them like Tigerdirect is doing today for $359.99
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June 9, 2014 3:13:22 PM

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Still slower than a PS4 and more expensive even with the price cut (PS4s are $379 all over the place) and now lacks its supposed selling feature.


Where? I see them for $399 on all major retailer sites and stores..
eBay doesn't count.


They were also $370 up till yesterday at Rakuten.com
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June 10, 2014 1:50:06 AM

no screen tearing eh?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDsfcqWPU34

watch the XO with screen tearing, and ps4 without.

http://gyazo.com/ebaec00f56ebc0b0366e6026d8b0fcac

http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Watch-Dogs-Xbox-One-Ha...

watchdogs, lower res, more frame drops, screen tearing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwDYLByVkMk

titanfall screen tearing bitch fest. internet is FULL of them.

etc etc etc

i get it, you bought an xbox one and dont like the cold reality of the matter so it is easier to just pretend it's just as good as everything else. it isnt.
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