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Report: Russia Switching to ARM Chips for Government PCs

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June 23, 2014 3:39:24 PM

A solution for paranoid nations i guess!
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June 23, 2014 4:27:04 PM

it will save alot of power =)
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June 23, 2014 4:40:17 PM

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A solution for paranoid nations i guess!


It is more like the American can't be trusted from their point of view and I can definitely understand them... Remember the Russian are now known a lot more about USA "dirty trick" because of Edward Snowden. I think many other countries (like China, Germany...) that capable to make their own stuff should stop using USA stuff as well.
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June 23, 2014 4:54:35 PM

I don't know why rantoc gets downvoted..I kinda agree with what he said. So let me just emphasize a little.

Any economically strong nations knows that data security is the very core of global economic domination. US does this for long time, so does China albeit just recently. It shouldn't be a surprise that Russia eventually would.

It's a necessary paranoia.

Mother Russia protects their own, I suppose :D 
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June 23, 2014 4:58:08 PM

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I don't know why rantoc gets downvoted..I kinda agree with what he said. So let me just emphasize a little.


So when American cried for buy USA or move back the production back to USA are called Patriot but when other countries do the same it is called paranoia??
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June 23, 2014 5:00:56 PM

NSA leave a back door on the x86 chips, specially on the mobile x86 atom chips for smartphones, they r badly coded, the smartphones will not turn off even u press the shutdown button, it will keep mining for data and drain the battery quickly.
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June 23, 2014 5:28:35 PM

Russia and China are moving away from the US Dollar, using their own currencies for trade. This is another step in the process of knocking the dollar off its now-undeserved perch as the world's reserve currency. When that happens, the US economy will implode; think Wiemar Germany. It makes sense to not be dependent on American businesses for vital equipment and supplies.
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June 23, 2014 6:45:09 PM

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it will save alot of power =)


Not really. just because it's a ARM CPU doesnt mean it defies the laws of physics. These 64bit chips are big chips, sometimes 8 way out of order CPU's. When the CPU is that wide, it will consume just as much as a Intel CPU.

Also, Intel's CPU's are on 14nm lithography and are being mass produced today, so their transistors are twice as small as 28nm chips. Plus they are orders of magnitude faster.

intel's fab's will always be 2 years ahead of everyone else's. unless they have a major catastrophic failure. They will always win in performance per watt.
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June 23, 2014 8:57:34 PM

I wonder what OS they will use. I'm guessing Linux. Switching to a totally different OS is a big thing so I can't imagine it going very smoothly but with time it could work.
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June 23, 2014 9:48:52 PM

Avus said:
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A solution for paranoid nations i guess!


It is more like the American can't be trusted from their point of view and I can definitely understand them... Remember the Russian are now known a lot more about USA "dirty trick" because of Edward Snowden. I think many other countries (like China, Germany...) that capable to make their own stuff should stop using USA stuff as well.


Yea because Russia, China and the rest of the world are clean angels who never do anything tricky or back handed.

The sad truth is that every country is the same and they all do things to protect their own interests. If you think any country is a saint and would never do anything like that, you might want to think again.

Onus said:
Russia and China are moving away from the US Dollar, using their own currencies for trade. This is another step in the process of knocking the dollar off its now-undeserved perch as the world's reserve currency. When that happens, the US economy will implode; think Wiemar Germany. It makes sense to not be dependent on American businesses for vital equipment and supplies.


Actually I think the economic boom and massive spending pushed the US dollars value way up and that is why it became the currency of the world reserve. That and the fact that we spend more than the majority of countries combined and have a much higher GDP than any other.

I don't think any country should be dependent on US technology but then again ARM is UK based so they are not making their own CPU per say.

Still whatever they want to do. Putin has some weird ideas on how to run a country. Then again the US has been having some strange ideas too.
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June 23, 2014 10:13:55 PM

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Avus said:
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A solution for paranoid nations i guess!


It is more like the American can't be trusted from their point of view and I can definitely understand them... Remember the Russian are now known a lot more about USA "dirty trick" because of Edward Snowden. I think many other countries (like China, Germany...) that capable to make their own stuff should stop using USA stuff as well.


Yea because Russia, China and the rest of the world are clean angels who never do anything tricky or back handed.

The sad truth is that every country is the same and they all do things to protect their own interests. If you think any country is a saint and would never do anything like that, you might want to think again.

Onus said:
Russia and China are moving away from the US Dollar, using their own currencies for trade. This is another step in the process of knocking the dollar off its now-undeserved perch as the world's reserve currency. When that happens, the US economy will implode; think Wiemar Germany. It makes sense to not be dependent on American businesses for vital equipment and supplies.


Actually I think the economic boom and massive spending pushed the US dollars value way up and that is why it became the currency of the world reserve. That and the fact that we spend more than the majority of countries combined and have a much higher GDP than any other.

I don't think any country should be dependent on US technology but then again ARM is UK based so they are not making their own CPU per say.

Still whatever they want to do. Putin has some weird ideas on how to run a country. Then again the US has been having some strange ideas too.


So, because other nations do it, it's ok for us to do it?
Two wrong doesn't make a right.
And unlike the US, China at least doesn't hide that they spy on it's own citizen, and use their own great firewall of China.

And most recently released the secret Patent that Microsoft is using to force licensing from Android phone maker.
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June 23, 2014 11:00:49 PM

Kneejerk reaction from them invading the Crimea and getting hit with sanctions by the world community. Similar to trying to bar the US from getting to the International Space Station via their rockets. Just more of Putin waving his little willy around.
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June 23, 2014 11:22:28 PM

Snowden ruffled quite a few feathers along the way which created alot of mis-trust with the US government. There no telling if or any possibility of a backdoor to any American made products to be used abroad. Then again, what's to say China isn't doing the same thing with their products to be sold over at USA?

ARM is very much open standard so I don't blame the Russians for taking this a bit seriously about their national security of their computers within their government. I have nothing but love for the Russians and at the same time I don't blame them for taking this step to protect their interests.

I just wish we didn't live in a friggin paranoid world we all be happy by now.
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June 23, 2014 11:26:31 PM

I would leave politics out of this website.
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June 24, 2014 1:21:17 AM

This isn't new.
They have built their own processors before.
Some were good, some were bad.
The chinese government has been building it's own processors for quite some time now.
I wish them luck in their endeavor, you never know, maybe a competitor to intel/amd might come out of this and competition is good.
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June 24, 2014 2:55:38 AM

Nothing new here to see. Russians were already doing this stuff. Ofcourse their work is useless to anything other than specialized things like rockets. But Intel is not used there anyway.
So they want to replace the workers PCs. In secret agencies they could block any signal that could control things from some hole inside CPU unless they're stupid not do so. In other government buildings like schools who gives a damn about data there in the first place? Besides most of the PCs there are ancient and noone buys new hardware there, same goes for everything with the very rare exceptions.
They still didn't move away from Windows(even though they were moving to them numerous times, for success you need to do it only once), so what does that tell you? Russians like to talk big but thats all. If they trully wanted to get rid off any external tech they should design their own architecture and manufacture it on their own land.
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So, because other nations do it, it's ok for us to do it?
Two wrong doesn't make a right.
And unlike the US, China at least doesn't hide that they spy on it's own citizen, and use their own great firewall of China.

Your logic is strange. Everyone knows that Russia and USA can easily spy for anyone in their country and control internet. Just because they deny/don't talk about it in public somehow makes them worse than someone who admitted they do?
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June 24, 2014 3:59:42 AM

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Russia and China are moving away from the US Dollar, using their own currencies for trade. This is another step in the process of knocking the dollar off its now-undeserved perch as the world's reserve currency. When that happens, the US economy will implode; think Wiemar Germany. It makes sense to not be dependent on American businesses for vital equipment and supplies.
what many dont know is that right before us invaded Iraq the government was about to make a move away from usd and to euro for its oil businesses, which if would have happened would have ruin US economy back then, but its not far now...
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June 24, 2014 8:22:34 AM

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Russia and China are moving away from the US Dollar, using their own currencies for trade. This is another step in the process of knocking the dollar off its now-undeserved perch as the world's reserve currency. When that happens, the US economy will implode; think Wiemar Germany. It makes sense to not be dependent on American businesses for vital equipment and supplies.
what many dont know is that right before us invaded Iraq the government was about to make a move away from usd and to euro for its oil businesses, which if would have happened would have ruin US economy back then, but its not far now...


Same with Quaddafi. Only it would have been a gold standard.
http://www.thenewamerican.com/economy/markets/item/4630...
I can understand why. The US dollar is pretty much toilet paper. US can print how ever much they want of it. Trading toilet paper for oil etc, who wouldn't do that?
The dollar is backed by nothing. All the gold is gone since the 1970s.
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June 24, 2014 8:37:23 AM

Darkk said:
Snowden ruffled quite a few feathers along the way which created alot of mis-trust with the US government. There no telling if or any possibility of a backdoor to any American made products to be used abroad. Then again, what's to say China isn't doing the same thing with their products to be sold over at USA?

ARM is very much open standard so I don't blame the Russians for taking this a bit seriously about their national security of their computers within their government. I have nothing but love for the Russians and at the same time I don't blame them for taking this step to protect their interests.

I just wish we didn't live in a friggin paranoid world we all be happy by now.


Because so far, there has been no actual evidence of China putting in backdoor into their product, even after various tech firm, and ABC agency taking it apart.
And then convince ally to use US made product like Cisco that the US put in their own back door that was recently revealed?
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June 24, 2014 9:13:03 AM

I love how may currency speculators, foreign relation people, and economists we have here on the forum. Thanks for all your totally fact based knowledge.

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June 24, 2014 10:07:13 AM

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I wonder what OS they will use. I'm guessing Linux. Switching to a totally different OS is a big thing so I can't imagine it going very smoothly but with time it could work.

Switching architecture is a Big Deal, affecting data formats, all your old software, etc. If this is an effort to lessen US dependence, it will take a long time to be meaningful. And it all depends on how much they want to ditch. The comparison to replacing Windows with Linux isn't quite right. More like replacing your Windows PC with a Window RT PC and maybe doing it without Microsoft. Or Win to Linux and using an x86 emulator to run your old stuff until you can rewrite/replace it.
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June 24, 2014 11:24:15 AM

I wonder if they'll sell them retail.
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June 24, 2014 11:31:37 AM

But, how will they run their bootleg copies of Windows XP?
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June 24, 2014 5:00:21 PM

mavroxur said:
But, how will they run their bootleg copies of Windows XP?


Probabely do what China is doing, buy the source code/reverse it themself and make their own update.
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June 24, 2014 6:45:17 PM

it's not paranoia. snowdens leaks (gee where is snowden hiding again oh ya russia! )included how all this info is obtained. the back doors built into these chips (SSL) and internet cpu identifiers (pentium3 +) m/b keylogger required by american law. the chinese have intimate knowledge with all these since they are the ones manufacturing alot of it and we know how much russia lends itself to aid it's communist ally china and china has already announced it would be looking to replace all american designed tech a bit over a year ago if i recall right collaboration is in their best interests and speed is the key. russia has almost paid off it's soviet debt and is looking toward becoming an economic super power capable of replacing the dollar before the chinese do as the IMF is not starting to press the idea of switching to chinese currency given the american debt and constant financial rigging going on in association. china's currency is closely regulated and there is alot at stake for china to gain by sweeping world currency exchanges to it's own. every chinese action since the communist take over proves they will do everything in their power to make that happen and get what they want no matter what. bankers will go along with it due to the amount of profit to be had despite how little is actually known about china's worse than mob corruption and fraud and coercion to any it deals with.

the iranian virus at it's nuclear research facilities has been enough of a wake up for them to realize how vulnerable they are. desert storm struck very real fear into them enough at that time to lead china to do all it has done to steal whatever the cost to catch up to american military caliber.

and don't forget the u.k. is working in collusion with america, nobody has been able/willing to implicate everything they are doing also, and the u.k.'s only involvement seems to come out of american leaks or congressional hearings how information was obtained in american judicial/congressional oversight cases.

the facts are there is too much overwhelming evidence to justify it as a very real and official security breach. snowden handed them every shred of proof needed for moscow to warrant this.
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June 24, 2014 8:41:11 PM

Makes sense, and I don't think AMD will object.
Not really paranoia if its shown to already be true.
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June 25, 2014 1:51:46 AM

Is this going to be another ARMs race?
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June 25, 2014 11:04:42 AM

bluewr said:
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Avus said:
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A solution for paranoid nations i guess!


It is more like the American can't be trusted from their point of view and I can definitely understand them... Remember the Russian are now known a lot more about USA "dirty trick" because of Edward Snowden. I think many other countries (like China, Germany...) that capable to make their own stuff should stop using USA stuff as well.


Yea because Russia, China and the rest of the world are clean angels who never do anything tricky or back handed.

The sad truth is that every country is the same and they all do things to protect their own interests. If you think any country is a saint and would never do anything like that, you might want to think again.

Onus said:
Russia and China are moving away from the US Dollar, using their own currencies for trade. This is another step in the process of knocking the dollar off its now-undeserved perch as the world's reserve currency. When that happens, the US economy will implode; think Wiemar Germany. It makes sense to not be dependent on American businesses for vital equipment and supplies.


Actually I think the economic boom and massive spending pushed the US dollars value way up and that is why it became the currency of the world reserve. That and the fact that we spend more than the majority of countries combined and have a much higher GDP than any other.

I don't think any country should be dependent on US technology but then again ARM is UK based so they are not making their own CPU per say.

Still whatever they want to do. Putin has some weird ideas on how to run a country. Then again the US has been having some strange ideas too.


So, because other nations do it, it's ok for us to do it?
Two wrong doesn't make a right.
And unlike the US, China at least doesn't hide that they spy on it's own citizen, and use their own great firewall of China.

And most recently released the secret Patent that Microsoft is using to force licensing from Android phone maker.



I never said that. Just that people act like the US is this big evil and other countries are not. Every other country is just as bad is my point.

And unlike China, the US doesn't control their people. If China doesn't like something (the government) they will block it to make sure their people only see what they want them to see. It isn't as bad as North Korea brain washing their people to believing whatever they want (for example, people in the US are poor and drink snow from coffee cups as we have no clean water) but it is well beyond what is needed.

As for the Microsoft patent, we actually knew about that a while ago. If a company has a patent then the others must pay to license it. Google doesn't want to but that is also why they have been going through a lot of patent suits lately.
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June 25, 2014 2:33:46 PM

Honestly anyone who thinks the NSA aren't spying on the Russians and us at this point is an idiot. It has been established that the NSA infiltrated hardware in the past. So it is reasonable to be suspicious of US built chips.
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June 25, 2014 3:51:15 PM

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A solution for paranoid nations i guess!


It is more like the American can't be trusted from their point of view and I can definitely understand them... Remember the Russian are now known a lot more about USA "dirty trick" because of Edward Snowden. I think many other countries (like China, Germany...) that capable to make their own stuff should stop using USA stuff as well.


Because Russia and Chine are renown for their scrupulous methods and humanitarian efforts....? Really now.
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June 25, 2014 9:37:18 PM

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Is this going to be another ARMs race?

Good play on words :) 
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