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Which one should i go for? i5 4690 or fx-8320

Total: 25 votes (1 blank vote)

  • Fx-8320
  • 6 %
  • i5-4690
  • 95 %
a b à CPUs
June 30, 2014 12:08:40 AM

HI im building a pc on:
http://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/quotes/intel-haswell-pc/3...
and
http://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/computers/amd-bulldozer-t...

Which spec is better?

Spec 1:
Case
ZALMAN Z11 PLUS BLACK MID TOWER CASE
Processor (CPU)
Intel® Core™i5 Quad Core Processor i5-4690 (3.5GHz) 6MB Cache
Motherboard
Gigabyte Z97X Gaming 3: ATX, LG1150, USB 3.0, SATA 6GBs, XFIRE/SLI
Memory (RAM)
4GB KINGSTON DUAL-DDR3 1600MHz (1 x 4GB)
Graphics Card
2GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 770 - 2 DVI, HDMI, DP - 3D Vision Ready
1st Hard Disk
120GB Samsung 840 EVO SSD, SATA 6Gb/s (upto 540MB/sR | 410MB/sW)
2nd Hard Disk
1TB WD CAVIAR BLACK WD1003FZEX, SATA 6 Gb/s, 64MB CACHE (7200rpm)
1st DVD/BLU-RAY Drive
24x DUAL LAYER DVD WRITER ±R/±RW/RAM
Power Supply
CORSAIR 850W RM SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET (£99)
Processor Cooling
CoolerMaster Hyper 212 EVO (120mm) Fan CPU Cooler (£29)
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Wireless/Wired Networking
10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT - AS STANDARD ON ALL PCs
USB Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 4 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Power Cable
1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Operating System
NO OPERATING SYSTEM REQUIRED

Spec 2:
Case
ZALMAN Z11 PLUS BLACK MID TOWER CASE
Processor (CPU)
AMD FX-8320 Eight Core CPU (3.50GHz/8MB CACHE/AM3+)
Motherboard
Gigabyte 990XA-UD3 AM3+ (ATX, DDR3, USB 3.0, 6Gb/s)
Memory (RAM)
4GB KINGSTON DUAL-DDR3 1600MHz (1 x 4GB)
Graphics Card
2GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 770 - 2 DVI, HDMI, DP - 3D Vision Ready
1st Hard Disk
120GB Samsung 840 EVO SSD, SATA 6Gb/s (upto 540MB/sR | 410MB/sW)
2nd Hard Disk
1TB WD CAVIAR BLACK WD1003FZEX, SATA 6 Gb/s, 64MB CACHE (7200rpm)
1st DVD/BLU-RAY Drive
24x DUAL LAYER DVD WRITER ±R/±RW/RAM
Power Supply
CORSAIR 1000W RM SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET (£139)
Processor Cooling
CoolerMaster Hyper 212 EVO (120mm) Fan CPU Cooler (£29)
Sound Card
ONBOARD 8 CHANNEL (7.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Wireless/Wired Networking
10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT - AS STANDARD ON ALL PCs
USB Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 4 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Power Cable
1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Operating System
NO OPERATING SYSTEM REQUIRED

So which spec is better? the 1st one is around £30 more expensive but i hear the cpu is better.
I also hear i can overclock lots with the 8320, if so will the cooler handle it and to what level will it go to with that cooler. Same goes for the i5

More about : spec cpu 4690 8320

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June 30, 2014 12:14:54 AM

Oh i meant the first one is more expensive my bad.
June 30, 2014 12:22:16 AM

For performance, power consumption and heat production the i5 is better in every way. Although to overclock the i5 you will need to get a K edition
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June 30, 2014 1:02:51 AM

There would barely be any real world performance difference between the two.

Intel charges a premium for overclockers, you'll have to buy an unlocked K edition cpu.

For the fx build, you don't really need the 1000w psu. All you need is good quality 650w.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

You could use the saved cash on a better cooler like the NH u14s for the FX8320.
You can expect an overclock of 4.5~4.8Ghz with the U14s or 4.2~4.5Ghz with the 212 Evo, depending on your chip & you ambient temps.
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June 30, 2014 2:23:20 AM

Can I vote neither? I would never buy a locked i5 and put it on a Z97 motherboard unless I just HAD to have SLI/xfire. I would never get any FX for any reason.

I would go for an i5 4570 or 4590 and put it on a H97 motherboard. You would save a LOT of money right there that you could put towards a better video card like the R9 290 if you wanted. It would come out cheaper than the FX8320 setup if you kept the 770.

You'll want 8GB of RAM sooner or later.


Did you intend to run dual video cards? If not, you don't need anywhere near 850-1000w to run that system.
June 30, 2014 6:12:27 AM

^^ Completely agree with a 4590 on a H97 motherboard, and with a 650 watt power supply.
June 30, 2014 6:31:20 AM

CTurbo said:
Can I vote neither? I would never buy a locked i5 and put it on a Z97 motherboard unless I just HAD to have SLI/xfire. I would never get any FX for any reason.

I would go for an i5 4570 or 4590 and put it on a H97 motherboard. You would save a LOT of money right there that you could put towards a better video card like the R9 290 if you wanted. It would come out cheaper than the FX8320 setup if you kept the 770.

You'll want 8GB of RAM sooner or later.


Did you intend to run dual video cards? If not, you don't need anywhere near 850-1000w to run that system.


Have you ever built a system with an FX series chip?
June 30, 2014 6:40:28 AM

Littlesackninja said:
HI im building a pc on:
http://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/quotes/intel-haswell-pc/3...
and
http://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/computers/amd-bulldozer-t...

Which spec is better?

Spec 1:
Case
ZALMAN Z11 PLUS BLACK MID TOWER CASE
Processor (CPU)
Intel® Core™i5 Quad Core Processor i5-4690 (3.5GHz) 6MB Cache
Motherboard
Gigabyte Z97X Gaming 3: ATX, LG1150, USB 3.0, SATA 6GBs, XFIRE/SLI
Memory (RAM)
4GB KINGSTON DUAL-DDR3 1600MHz (1 x 4GB)
Graphics Card
2GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 770 - 2 DVI, HDMI, DP - 3D Vision Ready
1st Hard Disk
120GB Samsung 840 EVO SSD, SATA 6Gb/s (upto 540MB/sR | 410MB/sW)
2nd Hard Disk
1TB WD CAVIAR BLACK WD1003FZEX, SATA 6 Gb/s, 64MB CACHE (7200rpm)
1st DVD/BLU-RAY Drive
24x DUAL LAYER DVD WRITER ±R/±RW/RAM
Power Supply
CORSAIR 850W RM SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET (£99)
Processor Cooling
CoolerMaster Hyper 212 EVO (120mm) Fan CPU Cooler (£29)
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Wireless/Wired Networking
10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT - AS STANDARD ON ALL PCs
USB Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 4 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Power Cable
1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Operating System
NO OPERATING SYSTEM REQUIRED

Spec 2:
Case
ZALMAN Z11 PLUS BLACK MID TOWER CASE
Processor (CPU)
AMD FX-8320 Eight Core CPU (3.50GHz/8MB CACHE/AM3+)
Motherboard
Gigabyte 990XA-UD3 AM3+ (ATX, DDR3, USB 3.0, 6Gb/s)
Memory (RAM)
4GB KINGSTON DUAL-DDR3 1600MHz (1 x 4GB)
Graphics Card
2GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 770 - 2 DVI, HDMI, DP - 3D Vision Ready
1st Hard Disk
120GB Samsung 840 EVO SSD, SATA 6Gb/s (upto 540MB/sR | 410MB/sW)
2nd Hard Disk
1TB WD CAVIAR BLACK WD1003FZEX, SATA 6 Gb/s, 64MB CACHE (7200rpm)
1st DVD/BLU-RAY Drive
24x DUAL LAYER DVD WRITER ±R/±RW/RAM
Power Supply
CORSAIR 1000W RM SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET (£139)
Processor Cooling
CoolerMaster Hyper 212 EVO (120mm) Fan CPU Cooler (£29)
Sound Card
ONBOARD 8 CHANNEL (7.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Wireless/Wired Networking
10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT - AS STANDARD ON ALL PCs
USB Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 4 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Power Cable
1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Operating System
NO OPERATING SYSTEM REQUIRED

So which spec is better? the 1st one is around £30 more expensive but i hear the cpu is better.
I also hear i can overclock lots with the 8320, if so will the cooler handle it and to what level will it go to with that cooler. Same goes for the i5


If you can afford it, I would go with the Intel build if only for the Z97 mobo. That board can handle the new i7-4970k processor. Regarding the AMD CPU, it is a much better CPU than the i5! The i5 only has 4 threads compared to the 8 threaded 8320.

With the AMD build, you are looking at upgrading to the 9000 series and that is it. Not to say those chips will not get the job done for many years to come (8 integer cores, and 4 floating point cores clocked from 4 ghz to 5 ghz). However, it is hard to fight the "upgrade bug" once you build your first system! The AM3+ socket is dead, that is why I would recommend the Intel build for the motherboard.
June 30, 2014 7:23:44 AM

Littlesackninja said:
HI im building a pc on:
http://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/quotes/intel-haswell-pc/3...
and
http://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/computers/amd-bulldozer-t...

Which spec is better?

Spec 1:
Case
ZALMAN Z11 PLUS BLACK MID TOWER CASE
Processor (CPU)
Intel® Core™i5 Quad Core Processor i5-4690 (3.5GHz) 6MB Cache
Motherboard
Gigabyte Z97X Gaming 3: ATX, LG1150, USB 3.0, SATA 6GBs, XFIRE/SLI
Memory (RAM)
4GB KINGSTON DUAL-DDR3 1600MHz (1 x 4GB)
Graphics Card
2GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 770 - 2 DVI, HDMI, DP - 3D Vision Ready
1st Hard Disk
120GB Samsung 840 EVO SSD, SATA 6Gb/s (upto 540MB/sR | 410MB/sW)
2nd Hard Disk
1TB WD CAVIAR BLACK WD1003FZEX, SATA 6 Gb/s, 64MB CACHE (7200rpm)
1st DVD/BLU-RAY Drive
24x DUAL LAYER DVD WRITER ±R/±RW/RAM
Power Supply
CORSAIR 850W RM SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET (£99)
Processor Cooling
CoolerMaster Hyper 212 EVO (120mm) Fan CPU Cooler (£29)
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Wireless/Wired Networking
10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT - AS STANDARD ON ALL PCs
USB Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 4 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Power Cable
1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Operating System
NO OPERATING SYSTEM REQUIRED

Spec 2:
Case
ZALMAN Z11 PLUS BLACK MID TOWER CASE
Processor (CPU)
AMD FX-8320 Eight Core CPU (3.50GHz/8MB CACHE/AM3+)
Motherboard
Gigabyte 990XA-UD3 AM3+ (ATX, DDR3, USB 3.0, 6Gb/s)
Memory (RAM)
4GB KINGSTON DUAL-DDR3 1600MHz (1 x 4GB)
Graphics Card
2GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 770 - 2 DVI, HDMI, DP - 3D Vision Ready
1st Hard Disk
120GB Samsung 840 EVO SSD, SATA 6Gb/s (upto 540MB/sR | 410MB/sW)
2nd Hard Disk
1TB WD CAVIAR BLACK WD1003FZEX, SATA 6 Gb/s, 64MB CACHE (7200rpm)
1st DVD/BLU-RAY Drive
24x DUAL LAYER DVD WRITER ±R/±RW/RAM
Power Supply
CORSAIR 1000W RM SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET (£139)
Processor Cooling
CoolerMaster Hyper 212 EVO (120mm) Fan CPU Cooler (£29)
Sound Card
ONBOARD 8 CHANNEL (7.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Wireless/Wired Networking
10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT - AS STANDARD ON ALL PCs
USB Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 4 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Power Cable
1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Operating System
NO OPERATING SYSTEM REQUIRED

So which spec is better? the 1st one is around £30 more expensive but i hear the cpu is better.
I also hear i can overclock lots with the 8320, if so will the cooler handle it and to what level will it go to with that cooler. Same goes for the i5


Honestly, I'd do Spec 2. But, with that extra cash you'll save over Spec 1, I'd recommend a few things that would be more beneficial for you.

1. Bump up the memory to at least 8GB, if you could shoot for 12GB that would be even more awesome. Remember that Windows 7 in general recommends 8GB and most latest games are as well. Extra headroom of above 8GB would be great. But could always be upgraded later.

2. I'd swap out that GTX 770 for a R9 280x mainly because you are getting more bang for you buck. Latest games are recommending 3GB of vram now for their Ultra settings, so the 770 would be a downfall on that part. They do have 4GB 770 models as well, but you are paying a premium that wouldn't make sense in getting at all. For the price of a 4GB 770 you could easily get an awesome R9 290 which would easily outperform the 770 and is a step up. You could easily get a brand new Sapphire Toxic 280x for $299 which is the best 280x you could get and still cheaper than brand new 770. Could go cheaper if you really wanted to and still get similar performance to a 770.

3. You really don't need a 1000w power supply. I'd shoot for at least a 750w. Even if you decided to Crossfire or Sli in the future. You would still have enough power to handle that. Just make sure your power supply is 80 Plus Certified at least Bronze and up.

4. For that CPU Cooler (Hyper 212 Evo) make sure that will fit correctly in the Mid-Tower case you are getting. It definitely is a big cooler. Want to make sure the case is wide enough. If not, definitely shoot up to a Full-Tower if possible. The extra headroom and cooling would be awesome. These video cards aren't small anymore either. They definitely start to take up room. Also if you do want to Crossfire/Sli eventually. That extra room will count.

5. Although the i5 is a better performing CPU. The FX-8320 is a great CPU and will easily handle whatever you want. You could easily overclock it to 4Ghz and match a 8350 and save yourself easily $60. I usually see the FX-8320 on sale for $100. Which is an awesome deal. I currently run and have since it came out an FX-8120 which is the very first line of the FX series. I have had zero issues with gaming or anything. I currently still run it at stock clock speeds as well. For the price of the 8320, I may consider upgrading myself sometime this year. It really is up to you on this one. i5 is a great processor as well, but really comes down to if you would like to put that extra money into other parts, which I would recommend. Either way, will not go wrong on these.

6. I've seen the ASUS Sabretooth 990fx motherboard go on sale as low as $60 just recently. It is an amazing motherboard. Although, there is a new version of it out, the Asus Sabretooth 990fx Rev2.0 which is around $169. I have the first model of this board and it is great. Zero issues and are quality built boards. Just a recommendation. I'm sure that Gigabyte board is great as well as I have used them in the past for other builds.
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June 30, 2014 8:14:40 AM

Ok thanks, Is it worth it buying it on the website i listed or building it myself? I have no experience in this the most i know is a video i saw of somone putting some parts in.
Is it easy to install the compnents and do they all come with their required cables?
(Will i need to buy cables of the internet, Excluding hdmi ect)

Also Gonzano can you write a quick list of what i should get for around £880/$1500

Also this says the 8320 is almost equal to the i5: http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i5-4590-vs-AMD-FX-83...
June 30, 2014 8:37:31 AM

Littlesackninja said:
Ok thanks, Is it worth it buying it on the website i listed or building it myself? I have no experience in this the most i know is a video i saw of somone putting some parts in.
Is it easy to install the compnents and do they all come with their required cables?
(Will i need to buy cables of the internet, Excluding hdmi ect)

Also Gonzano can you write a quick list of what i should get for around £880/$1500

Also this says the 8320 is almost equal to the i5: http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i5-4590-vs-AMD-FX-83...


It is fairly simple putting a computer together. But if you don't feel comfortable doing it, you could have the website do it for you. Do you know how much extra it is for them to build it for you and send it out? Also, is there any local computer shops near you, if so I'm sure they could handle the build for you? You should be able to just bring in all your parts.

You shouldn't have to buy any other cables at all. Computer parts usually come with everything you need.

Yeah, I should be able to get a list together for you. I'll try to get that together ASAP.

Yup, the 8320 is a really solid CPU. As you can see, when I mentioned that the i5 is a little faster, its in the Single Core Performance. But all in all and real world use, you probably wouldn't even notice the difference.
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June 30, 2014 8:43:24 AM

Ok thanks! What motherboard do you suggest though, I have have seen a few videos and seen high end pc's using gigabyte ones, Are the gigabyte ones good and if so which one/ones (Preferabley has sli)?

Also can you have sli enabled if you also have intergrated graphics? or does it disable it?
Is the motherboard i listed for amd cpus a good one?
a b à CPUs
June 30, 2014 9:20:11 AM

I came up with this http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/TxfXYJ quickly and it actually seems almost MORE expensive than Pc Specialist. Is this because its a specialized card and not the standard Nvidia one or does the website just buy in bulk?
a b à CPUs
June 30, 2014 9:29:31 AM

they are better for different uses. for gaming + general use the i5 is above and beyond. For gaming + streaming, or video editing, or 3D animation (programs that can benefit from 8 cores) the FX 8320 will blow the i5 out of the water. in fact, the 8320 will beat the i5 in everything other than single core performance, in which case is about 45-50% better than the FX 8320, def something to consider. But the FX has twice as many cores, so they tend to balance out there. this is why the i5 is better for gaming, most games are threaded closer to 4 than 8 threads.

**BUT** When DX 12 comes out, the new API for consoles and PC alike, it will give the FX the edge over the i5. DX 12 is being written from scratch for CORES, to use as many cores as are available. something relatively new in the PC gaming world.

heres a benchmark i ran with the green bar being my very own FX 8320 at stock. everything is at stock and this test doesnt use turbo speeds of any of the chips.
green = FX 8320
purple= i5 4670k
yellow= i7 4770k
http://imageshack.com/a/img855/5489/z3es.jpg


i have tons of games but dont play that often. i do all my graphic design on here though and do 3D modeling as a hobby so for renders the FX will make a big difference. For the record i never experience any problems with my AAA titles with my HD 7870. BF3, Metro 2033, Bioshock inf, batmans, crysis 3, all play at ultra with smooth frames. Mantle and DX 12 will only make it better. Plus games are mostly GPU limited not CPU limited. past the i5/8320 point few games CPU bottleneck.
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June 30, 2014 9:33:00 AM

titanHUNTER said:
Littlesackninja said:
HI im building a pc on:
http://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/quotes/intel-haswell-pc/3...
and
http://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/computers/amd-bulldozer-t...

Which spec is better?

Spec 1:
Case
ZALMAN Z11 PLUS BLACK MID TOWER CASE
Processor (CPU)
Intel® Core™i5 Quad Core Processor i5-4690 (3.5GHz) 6MB Cache
Motherboard
Gigabyte Z97X Gaming 3: ATX, LG1150, USB 3.0, SATA 6GBs, XFIRE/SLI
Memory (RAM)
4GB KINGSTON DUAL-DDR3 1600MHz (1 x 4GB)
Graphics Card
2GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 770 - 2 DVI, HDMI, DP - 3D Vision Ready
1st Hard Disk
120GB Samsung 840 EVO SSD, SATA 6Gb/s (upto 540MB/sR | 410MB/sW)
2nd Hard Disk
1TB WD CAVIAR BLACK WD1003FZEX, SATA 6 Gb/s, 64MB CACHE (7200rpm)
1st DVD/BLU-RAY Drive
24x DUAL LAYER DVD WRITER ±R/±RW/RAM
Power Supply
CORSAIR 850W RM SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET (£99)
Processor Cooling
CoolerMaster Hyper 212 EVO (120mm) Fan CPU Cooler (£29)
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Wireless/Wired Networking
10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT - AS STANDARD ON ALL PCs
USB Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 4 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Power Cable
1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Operating System
NO OPERATING SYSTEM REQUIRED

Spec 2:
Case
ZALMAN Z11 PLUS BLACK MID TOWER CASE
Processor (CPU)
AMD FX-8320 Eight Core CPU (3.50GHz/8MB CACHE/AM3+)
Motherboard
Gigabyte 990XA-UD3 AM3+ (ATX, DDR3, USB 3.0, 6Gb/s)
Memory (RAM)
4GB KINGSTON DUAL-DDR3 1600MHz (1 x 4GB)
Graphics Card
2GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 770 - 2 DVI, HDMI, DP - 3D Vision Ready
1st Hard Disk
120GB Samsung 840 EVO SSD, SATA 6Gb/s (upto 540MB/sR | 410MB/sW)
2nd Hard Disk
1TB WD CAVIAR BLACK WD1003FZEX, SATA 6 Gb/s, 64MB CACHE (7200rpm)
1st DVD/BLU-RAY Drive
24x DUAL LAYER DVD WRITER ±R/±RW/RAM
Power Supply
CORSAIR 1000W RM SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET (£139)
Processor Cooling
CoolerMaster Hyper 212 EVO (120mm) Fan CPU Cooler (£29)
Sound Card
ONBOARD 8 CHANNEL (7.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Wireless/Wired Networking
10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT - AS STANDARD ON ALL PCs
USB Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 4 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Power Cable
1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Operating System
NO OPERATING SYSTEM REQUIRED

So which spec is better? the 1st one is around £30 more expensive but i hear the cpu is better.
I also hear i can overclock lots with the 8320, if so will the cooler handle it and to what level will it go to with that cooler. Same goes for the i5


If you can afford it, I would go with the Intel build if only for the Z97 mobo. That board can handle the new i7-4970k processor. Regarding the AMD CPU, it is a much better CPU than the i5! The i5 only has 4 threads compared to the 8 threaded 8320.

With the AMD build, you are looking at upgrading to the 9000 series and that is it. Not to say those chips will not get the job done for many years to come (8 integer cores, and 4 floating point cores clocked from 4 ghz to 5 ghz). However, it is hard to fight the "upgrade bug" once you build your first system! The AM3+ socket is dead, that is why I would recommend the Intel build for the motherboard.


rumor has it AMD is working on a four core FX 8310 or something like that for the AM3+ socket, i think it will see continued support..they are just working on something to put out!
http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2014/2014062401_AMD_to_la...
June 30, 2014 9:33:19 AM

Littlesackninja said:
Ok thanks! What motherboard do you suggest though, I have have seen a few videos and seen high end pc's using gigabyte ones, Are the gigabyte ones good and if so which one/ones (Preferabley has sli)?

Also can you have sli enabled if you also have intergrated graphics? or does it disable it?
Is the motherboard i listed for amd cpus a good one?


There are many high-end motherboard brands. I am a fan of ASUS, and have used Gigabyte in the past with really positive reviews as well. I know others that have used MSI boards as well. You won't go wrong with either of these at all as long as you get a model that has what you need and any extra bells and whistles.

Remember, that if you can do either SLi(nVidia) or Crossfire(AMD). Just depends on what board you are using and what it supports.

Yes, that Gigabyte motherboard is a good one. I believe this is the latest model and has high reviews on it.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Definitely want to make sure the one you have in mind is the same one.
June 30, 2014 9:35:55 AM

Beezy said:
titanHUNTER said:
Littlesackninja said:
HI im building a pc on:
http://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/quotes/intel-haswell-pc/3...
and
http://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/computers/amd-bulldozer-t...

Which spec is better?

Spec 1:
Case
ZALMAN Z11 PLUS BLACK MID TOWER CASE
Processor (CPU)
Intel® Core™i5 Quad Core Processor i5-4690 (3.5GHz) 6MB Cache
Motherboard
Gigabyte Z97X Gaming 3: ATX, LG1150, USB 3.0, SATA 6GBs, XFIRE/SLI
Memory (RAM)
4GB KINGSTON DUAL-DDR3 1600MHz (1 x 4GB)
Graphics Card
2GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 770 - 2 DVI, HDMI, DP - 3D Vision Ready
1st Hard Disk
120GB Samsung 840 EVO SSD, SATA 6Gb/s (upto 540MB/sR | 410MB/sW)
2nd Hard Disk
1TB WD CAVIAR BLACK WD1003FZEX, SATA 6 Gb/s, 64MB CACHE (7200rpm)
1st DVD/BLU-RAY Drive
24x DUAL LAYER DVD WRITER ±R/±RW/RAM
Power Supply
CORSAIR 850W RM SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET (£99)
Processor Cooling
CoolerMaster Hyper 212 EVO (120mm) Fan CPU Cooler (£29)
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Wireless/Wired Networking
10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT - AS STANDARD ON ALL PCs
USB Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 4 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Power Cable
1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Operating System
NO OPERATING SYSTEM REQUIRED

Spec 2:
Case
ZALMAN Z11 PLUS BLACK MID TOWER CASE
Processor (CPU)
AMD FX-8320 Eight Core CPU (3.50GHz/8MB CACHE/AM3+)
Motherboard
Gigabyte 990XA-UD3 AM3+ (ATX, DDR3, USB 3.0, 6Gb/s)
Memory (RAM)
4GB KINGSTON DUAL-DDR3 1600MHz (1 x 4GB)
Graphics Card
2GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 770 - 2 DVI, HDMI, DP - 3D Vision Ready
1st Hard Disk
120GB Samsung 840 EVO SSD, SATA 6Gb/s (upto 540MB/sR | 410MB/sW)
2nd Hard Disk
1TB WD CAVIAR BLACK WD1003FZEX, SATA 6 Gb/s, 64MB CACHE (7200rpm)
1st DVD/BLU-RAY Drive
24x DUAL LAYER DVD WRITER ±R/±RW/RAM
Power Supply
CORSAIR 1000W RM SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET (£139)
Processor Cooling
CoolerMaster Hyper 212 EVO (120mm) Fan CPU Cooler (£29)
Sound Card
ONBOARD 8 CHANNEL (7.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Wireless/Wired Networking
10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT - AS STANDARD ON ALL PCs
USB Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 4 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Power Cable
1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Operating System
NO OPERATING SYSTEM REQUIRED

So which spec is better? the 1st one is around £30 more expensive but i hear the cpu is better.
I also hear i can overclock lots with the 8320, if so will the cooler handle it and to what level will it go to with that cooler. Same goes for the i5


If you can afford it, I would go with the Intel build if only for the Z97 mobo. That board can handle the new i7-4970k processor. Regarding the AMD CPU, it is a much better CPU than the i5! The i5 only has 4 threads compared to the 8 threaded 8320.

With the AMD build, you are looking at upgrading to the 9000 series and that is it. Not to say those chips will not get the job done for many years to come (8 integer cores, and 4 floating point cores clocked from 4 ghz to 5 ghz). However, it is hard to fight the "upgrade bug" once you build your first system! The AM3+ socket is dead, that is why I would recommend the Intel build for the motherboard.


rumor has it AMD is working on a four core FX 8310 or something like that for the AM3+ socket, i think it will see continued support..they are just working on something to put out!
http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2014/2014062401_AMD_to_la...


Oooooh, can't wait to see how that processor performs. Would love to upgrade to it if it really is worth it. Really hoping they do stick to the AM3+ socket. Love my motherboard too much to swap it out ;) 
June 30, 2014 9:38:04 AM

Beezy said:
they are better for different uses. for gaming + general use the i5 is above and beyond. For gaming + streaming, or video editing, or 3D animation (programs that can benefit from 8 cores) the FX 8320 will blow the i5 out of the water. in fact, the 8320 will beat the i5 in everything other than single core performance, in which case is about 45-50% better than the FX 8320, def something to consider. But the FX has twice as many cores, so they tend to balance out there. this is why the i5 is better for gaming, most games are threaded closer to 4 than 8 threads.

**BUT** When DX 12 comes out, the new API for consoles and PC alike, it will give the FX the edge over the i5. DX 12 is being written from scratch for CORES, to use as many cores as are available. something relatively new in the PC gaming world.

heres a benchmark i ran with the green bar being my very own FX 8320 at stock. everything is at stock and this test doesnt use turbo speeds of any of the chips.
green = FX 8320
purple= i5 4670k
yellow= i7 4770k
http://imageshack.com/a/img855/5489/z3es.jpg


Agree with you all the way. It seems that many applications and even games are starting to really utilize Multi-cores much more now and thats definitely a big ++ for AMD. Especially with the new consoles also fully running AMD as well.
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June 30, 2014 9:44:03 AM

GonSanzo said:
Beezy said:
they are better for different uses. for gaming + general use the i5 is above and beyond. For gaming + streaming, or video editing, or 3D animation (programs that can benefit from 8 cores) the FX 8320 will blow the i5 out of the water. in fact, the 8320 will beat the i5 in everything other than single core performance, in which case is about 45-50% better than the FX 8320, def something to consider. But the FX has twice as many cores, so they tend to balance out there. this is why the i5 is better for gaming, most games are threaded closer to 4 than 8 threads.

**BUT** When DX 12 comes out, the new API for consoles and PC alike, it will give the FX the edge over the i5. DX 12 is being written from scratch for CORES, to use as many cores as are available. something relatively new in the PC gaming world.

heres a benchmark i ran with the green bar being my very own FX 8320 at stock. everything is at stock and this test doesnt use turbo speeds of any of the chips.
green = FX 8320
purple= i5 4670k
yellow= i7 4770k
http://imageshack.com/a/img855/5489/z3es.jpg


Agree with you all the way. It seems that many applications and even games are starting to really utilize Multi-cores much more now and thats definitely a big ++ for AMD. Especially with the new consoles also fully running AMD as well.


well think of it this way from an industrial standpoint. We can only make processors with so small a nm structure (how far transistors are spaced apart). Moores law is slowing down and we are really hitting a wall in single core performance. But thats not a bad thing, per se. We just have to write a lot of our software, games, and eventually operating systems from scratch to utilize them properly. So we have no choice but to utilize multiple cores until we have a breakthrough in manufacturing like enhancing silcon somehow or ditching it altogether for a new material more resistant to heat.
June 30, 2014 9:52:44 AM

Beezy said:
GonSanzo said:
Beezy said:
they are better for different uses. for gaming + general use the i5 is above and beyond. For gaming + streaming, or video editing, or 3D animation (programs that can benefit from 8 cores) the FX 8320 will blow the i5 out of the water. in fact, the 8320 will beat the i5 in everything other than single core performance, in which case is about 45-50% better than the FX 8320, def something to consider. But the FX has twice as many cores, so they tend to balance out there. this is why the i5 is better for gaming, most games are threaded closer to 4 than 8 threads.

**BUT** When DX 12 comes out, the new API for consoles and PC alike, it will give the FX the edge over the i5. DX 12 is being written from scratch for CORES, to use as many cores as are available. something relatively new in the PC gaming world.

heres a benchmark i ran with the green bar being my very own FX 8320 at stock. everything is at stock and this test doesnt use turbo speeds of any of the chips.
green = FX 8320
purple= i5 4670k
yellow= i7 4770k
http://imageshack.com/a/img855/5489/z3es.jpg


Agree with you all the way. It seems that many applications and even games are starting to really utilize Multi-cores much more now and thats definitely a big ++ for AMD. Especially with the new consoles also fully running AMD as well.


well think of it this way from an industrial standpoint. We can only make processors with so small a nm structure (how far transistors are spaced apart). Moores law is slowing down and we are really hitting a wall in single core performance. But thats not a bad thing, per se. We just have to write a lot of our software, games, and eventually operating systems from scratch to utilize them properly. So we have no choice but to utilize multiple cores until we have a breakthrough in manufacturing like enhancing silcon somehow or ditching it altogether for a new material more resistant to heat.


Definitely understand that and agree with you. Can appreciate learning something new everyday. Thanks for sharing that information.
June 30, 2014 10:31:57 AM

Littlesackninja said:
I came up with this http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/TxfXYJ quickly and it actually seems almost MORE expensive than Pc Specialist. Is this because its a specialized card and not the standard Nvidia one or does the website just buy in bulk?


That video card is EXTREMELY overpriced and not needed at all. Honestly, I'd rather shoot for a R9 280x, you will save money for very close performance and you have 3GB vram which is definitely enough for the latest games and should last you awhile. The 770 is a very slightly faster card, but not enough to justify the price. Also, they only come in 2GB and 4GB models. 4GB is overpriced and for that same cost, you could get a R9 290 which is a more powerful card and is the next step up. Latest games now are starting to require 3GB for Ultra settings and will even lock out the Ultra settings. There are some games that will use up to 2.25 GB of vram now. So the extra leeway of having up to 3GB is definitely nice.
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June 30, 2014 11:02:45 AM

titanHUNTER said:
Regarding the AMD CPU, it is a much better CPU than the i5! The i5 only has 4 threads compared to the 8 threaded 8320.


You have a field to plow, which would you rather have to work with:

8 ponies or 4 draft horses?

Hint just cause you have more doesn't mean it's better.









Not all "cores" are created equal.
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June 30, 2014 11:05:40 AM

Iv been looking around and actually and i looked for the cheapest price for all the parts on a few websites like newegg. In total its this build but with a wireless card for £770, so i could probably spend a bit more on stuff. Is there anything i should upgrade with the spare £100 / $161 other than the GC?
June 30, 2014 11:06:29 AM

Littlesackninja said:
I found this 4gb Evga 770 which is aparently better than the other 770 brands, http://www.evga.com/Products/Product.aspx?pn=04G-P4-377...
It may be on the website but its cheaper than anything else and the fastest one.


When it comes to GTX Nvidia cards. EVGA cards are really great ones. I'd highly recommend them. There was just a sale for a R9 290 for $370 a few days ago and I've seen i go as low as $350 out the door for a Sapphire Tri-X 290 which is an amazing and much better card. Still, I'd consider the R9 280x if it is cheaper for you.
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June 30, 2014 11:14:40 AM

I would go for it but isnt the 770 a bit faster? anyway i prefer nvidia cards for no real reason exept support for games.
(the r9 280x)

But if the price goes down because of buying online i may beable to upgrade to the Gtx 780 Ti (or just 780). Should i do that or upgrade the processor to a 8350?
June 30, 2014 11:15:42 AM

GonSanzo said:
Beezy said:
GonSanzo said:
Beezy said:
they are better for different uses. for gaming + general use the i5 is above and beyond. For gaming + streaming, or video editing, or 3D animation (programs that can benefit from 8 cores) the FX 8320 will blow the i5 out of the water. in fact, the 8320 will beat the i5 in everything other than single core performance, in which case is about 45-50% better than the FX 8320, def something to consider. But the FX has twice as many cores, so they tend to balance out there. this is why the i5 is better for gaming, most games are threaded closer to 4 than 8 threads.

**BUT** When DX 12 comes out, the new API for consoles and PC alike, it will give the FX the edge over the i5. DX 12 is being written from scratch for CORES, to use as many cores as are available. something relatively new in the PC gaming world.

heres a benchmark i ran with the green bar being my very own FX 8320 at stock. everything is at stock and this test doesnt use turbo speeds of any of the chips.
green = FX 8320
purple= i5 4670k
yellow= i7 4770k
http://imageshack.com/a/img855/5489/z3es.jpg


Agree with you all the way. It seems that many applications and even games are starting to really utilize Multi-cores much more now and thats definitely a big ++ for AMD. Especially with the new consoles also fully running AMD as well.


well think of it this way from an industrial standpoint. We can only make processors with so small a nm structure (how far transistors are spaced apart). Moores law is slowing down and we are really hitting a wall in single core performance. But thats not a bad thing, per se. We just have to write a lot of our software, games, and eventually operating systems from scratch to utilize them properly. So we have no choice but to utilize multiple cores until we have a breakthrough in manufacturing like enhancing silcon somehow or ditching it altogether for a new material more resistant to heat.


Definitely understand that and agree with you. Can appreciate learning something new everyday. Thanks for sharing that information.



Wow! I can't believe the Intel fanboys have not lynched you for showing that graph! LMAO

It does seem painfully obvious that an 8 core CPU with higher frequencies performs better than a 4 core with lower frequencies. It's funny when AMD has faster frequency, websites claim that frequency isn't important. But then they drool with the new "Devil's Canyon" that can be overclock to 5ghz. It took Intel 2 more years to make a desktop processor that is performs well and is stable at stock 4ghz. Didn't AMD release the 8350 like two years ago that came with stock clock at 4ghz. Doesn't AMD currently have a 5ghz CPU that can achieve those speeds without overclocking? Didn't this CPU come out last year? Oh well, so goes a biased media outlet that loves to love Intel and bash AMD. LOL
June 30, 2014 11:18:52 AM

maxalge said:
titanHUNTER said:
Regarding the AMD CPU, it is a much better CPU than the i5! The i5 only has 4 threads compared to the 8 threaded 8320.


You have a field to plow, which would you rather have to work with:

8 ponies or 4 draft horses?

Hint just cause you have more doesn't mean it's better.









Not all "cores" are created equal.




Just because you give an analogy, does not mean your analogy is valid. For example, if someone provides real world benchmarks on real world systems, that's a workhorse!! When someone just uses pics that they googled to make a point....well that's just a pony show! LMAO Just SMH!
June 30, 2014 11:42:04 AM

Littlesackninja said:
Iv been looking around and actually and i looked for the cheapest price for all the parts on a few websites like newegg. In total its this build but with a wireless card for £770, so i could probably spend a bit more on stuff. Is there anything i should upgrade with the spare £100 / $161 other than the GC?


Littlesackninja said:
I would go for it but isnt the 770 a bit faster? anyway i prefer nvidia cards for no real reason exept support for games.
(the r9 280x)

But if the price goes down because of buying online i may beable to upgrade to the Gtx 780 Ti (or just 780). Should i do that or upgrade the processor to a 8350?


The 770 is very slightly faster than a 280x. But for the price of the extra vram of the 4gb 770 between a 280x 3gb. It wouldn't make sense to bother with the 770 4gb. 3gb of vram is a great sweet spot. Even looking at the 780, you'll notice that is only has 3GB of vram.

If you really want to upgrade your card and want to stick to Nvidia. I would not bother with the Ti version of a 780. There is barely even a difference in performance between the 780 and 780Ti. Definitely not worth paying extra for at all.

Could also upgrade your memory a little more if you want. Little extra over 8GB never hurts.

Sorry I haven't had the chance to do a build for you. I am currently at work and only able to pop in here and there.
June 30, 2014 11:46:40 AM

Littlesackninja said:
Iv been looking around and actually and i looked for the cheapest price for all the parts on a few websites like newegg. In total its this build but with a wireless card for £770, so i could probably spend a bit more on stuff. Is there anything i should upgrade with the spare £100 / $161 other than the GC?


titanHUNTER said:
maxalge said:
titanHUNTER said:
Regarding the AMD CPU, it is a much better CPU than the i5! The i5 only has 4 threads compared to the 8 threaded 8320.


You have a field to plow, which would you rather have to work with:

8 ponies or 4 draft horses?

Hint just cause you have more doesn't mean it's better.









Not all "cores" are created equal.




Just because you give an analogy, does not mean your analogy is valid. For example, if someone provides real world benchmarks on real world systems, that's a workhorse!! When someone just uses pics that they googled to make a point....well that's just a pony show! LMAO Just SMH!


Are you going with the list you made with PC Parts Picker?
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June 30, 2014 11:52:46 AM

Yes, Probably, It is the cheapest but i might up the gpu or cpu depending on what people think, or anything else i might need to up, I have a spare £100 quid. So what shoulkd i up?
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June 30, 2014 12:00:36 PM

titanHUNTER said:



Just because you give an analogy, does not mean your analogy is valid. For example, if someone provides real world benchmarks on real world systems, that's a workhorse!! When someone just uses pics that they googled to make a point....well that's just a pony show! LMAO Just SMH!




The pictures were to make a point yes, a valid point.

Or would you argue that a "six" core 6300 is better then a 4 core i5 3470?

Or a 4 core athlon 2 is better then a 2 core i3 3220?
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June 30, 2014 12:09:26 PM

Il go with the ones on pc parts picker unless you suggest a better setup.
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June 30, 2014 12:35:29 PM

Quote:
Also this says the 8320 is almost equal to the i5: http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i5-4590-vs-AMD-FX-83...



When I look at that page, all I see is the i5 is 55% stronger in single core performance. That means that 90% of the time, the i5 will be more than 50% faster. Wow. No amount of overclocking will make up such a large deficit either. Also, a properly overclocked FX8320 will end up costing more than that i5 so it doesn't even have a price advantage.




Somebody asked me if I have even built an FX system. Yes. I have built one with an FX6300 and one with a FX8350. They were both almost 2 years ago when they were actually competitive with the 2nd and some of the 3rd gen Intels.
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June 30, 2014 12:50:21 PM

Will a EVGA GeForce GTX 780 SC w/ EVGA ACX Cooler Bottleneck the FX-8320 CPU? Also if i overclock the cpu what can i do it to?
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June 30, 2014 1:09:17 PM

You've got the bottleneck terminology backwards. It would be the FX8320 bottlenecking the GTX780. Yes, the FX would hold it back sometimes.

You really should just get an i5. I don't know why you're considering a new build with 2yr old parts.
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June 30, 2014 1:21:52 PM

CTurbo said:
You've got the bottleneck terminology backwards. It would be the FX8320 bottlenecking the GTX780. Yes, the FX would hold it back sometimes.

You really should just get an i5. I don't know why you're considering a new build with 2yr old parts.


right,for a game that can only use one core the FX would bottleneck the 780. Just remember its all about application. for a strict gamer the i5, with an upgrade path to an i7 makes a lot of sense. for people who need a powerhouse and a gaming machine second the FX makes more sense.
June 30, 2014 1:25:59 PM

Littlesackninja said:
Will a EVGA GeForce GTX 780 SC w/ EVGA ACX Cooler Bottleneck the FX-8320 CPU? Also if i overclock the cpu what can i do it to?


No, You will not have any bottlenecking issues at all. There's multiple pages on here with info regarding what other users have OC'ed their 8320 successfully to. Honestly, you wouldn't need to. If anything, you could just overclock it to 4Ghz so it will match a 8350 without paying the extra money.
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June 30, 2014 1:27:26 PM

Ok, On the final build im learning towards...
£821.01
Gigabyte GA-990GXA-UD3 AM3+ - http://www.newegg.com/global/uk/Product/Product.aspx?It...
ASUS Xonar DG 5.1 Channels 24-bit 96KHz PCI Interface Sound Card - http://www.newegg.com/global/uk/Product/Product.aspx?It...
HyperX 8GB (2 x 4GB) KHX1600C9D3K2/8GX - http://www.newegg.com/global/uk/Product/Product.aspx?It...
AMD FX-8320 Vishera 8-Core 3.5GHz (FX-8320) - http://www.newegg.com/global/uk/Product/Product.aspx?It...
Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO (CPU Cooler) - http://www.newegg.com/global/uk/Product/Product.aspx?It...
Corsair RM850 850W Power Supply 80 Plus Gold - http://www.cclonline.com/product/124317/CP-9020056-UK/P...
LG Bulk GH24NSB0 (CD/DVRW) - http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00E5YSTGY/?tag=pcp0f-21
Asus PCE-N15 300Mbps N PCI Express Wireless Network Card - http://www.aria.co.uk/SuperSpecials/Other+products/Asus...
Zalman Z11 Plus Black Midi Tower Window Gaming Case - http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Cases/Midi+To...
120GB Samsung 840 EVO Series 2.5" SSD (Get on amazon) - http://www.aria.co.uk/SuperSpecials/Other+products/120G...
EVGA GeForce GTX 780 3GB - http://www.evga.com/Products/Product.aspx?pn=04G-P4-377...

I have £60-£80 Spare, What should i use this to up?
June 30, 2014 1:39:14 PM

maxalge said:
titanHUNTER said:



Just because you give an analogy, does not mean your analogy is valid. For example, if someone provides real world benchmarks on real world systems, that's a workhorse!! When someone just uses pics that they googled to make a point....well that's just a pony show! LMAO Just SMH!




The pictures were to make a point yes, a valid point.

Or would you argue that a "six" core 6300 is better then a 4 core i5 3470?

Or a 4 core athlon 2 is better then a 2 core i3 3220?


Firstly, I would take the 6300 over the i5! That's easy. Secondly, the athlon 2 is like 2 years older than the i3 you mentioned. Completely different generations (let alone architecture).

I have a question for you... would you take the FX-6300 or an i3?...
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June 30, 2014 1:49:25 PM

Quote:
Firstly, I would take the 6300 over the i5! That's easy. Secondly, the athlon 2 is like 2 years older than the i3 you mentioned. Completely different generations (let alone architecture).


1. Yeah right.
2. He's talking about the Athlon II x4 750k or 760k which is about a year newer than the i3 3220.
June 30, 2014 1:49:45 PM

CTurbo said:
You've got the bottleneck terminology backwards. It would be the FX8320 bottlenecking the GTX780. Yes, the FX would hold it back sometimes.

You really should just get an i5. I don't know why you're considering a new build with 2yr old parts.



And the i7-3960x is three years old. Should someone not build a new system with a 3 year old i7-3960x? That is the beauty of high-end processors, they last much longer and are "future-proof".
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June 30, 2014 1:51:54 PM

Quote:
Ok, On the final build im learning towards...
£821.01
Gigabyte GA-990GXA-UD3 AM3+ - http://www.newegg.com/global/uk/Product/Product.aspx?It...
ASUS Xonar DG 5.1 Channels 24-bit 96KHz PCI Interface Sound Card - http://www.newegg.com/global/uk/Product/Product.aspx?It...
HyperX 8GB (2 x 4GB) KHX1600C9D3K2/8GX - http://www.newegg.com/global/uk/Product/Product.aspx?It...
AMD FX-8320 Vishera 8-Core 3.5GHz (FX-8320) - http://www.newegg.com/global/uk/Product/Product.aspx?It...
Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO (CPU Cooler) - http://www.newegg.com/global/uk/Product/Product.aspx?It...
Corsair RM850 850W Power Supply 80 Plus Gold - http://www.cclonline.com/product/124317/CP-9020056-UK/P...
LG Bulk GH24NSB0 (CD/DVRW) - http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00E5YSTGY/?tag=pcp0f-21
Asus PCE-N15 300Mbps N PCI Express Wireless Network Card - http://www.aria.co.uk/SuperSpecials/Other+products/Asus...
Zalman Z11 Plus Black Midi Tower Window Gaming Case - http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Cases/Midi+To...
120GB Samsung 840 EVO Series 2.5" SSD (Get on amazon) - http://www.aria.co.uk/SuperSpecials/Other+products/120G...
EVGA GeForce GTX 780 3GB - http://www.evga.com/Products/Product.aspx?pn=04G-P4-377...

I have £60-£80 Spare, What should i use this to up?




You are going to want to use the extra money for the best cpu cooler you can afford so you can overclock as high as possible because you are going to be hurting for power from the very beginning. You're going to be looking for ways to make your system faster all the time.
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June 30, 2014 1:53:28 PM

Quote:
And the i7-3960x is three years old. Should someone not build a new system with a 3 year old i7-3960x? That is the beauty of high-end processors, they last much longer and are "future-proof".



Correct. Only an idiot would build a new system with an i7 3960x when that person could get a better 4930k for a lot less money.
June 30, 2014 1:57:48 PM

Littlesackninja said:
Ok, On the final build im learning towards...
£821.01
Gigabyte GA-990GXA-UD3 AM3+ - http://www.newegg.com/global/uk/Product/Product.aspx?It...
ASUS Xonar DG 5.1 Channels 24-bit 96KHz PCI Interface Sound Card - http://www.newegg.com/global/uk/Product/Product.aspx?It...
HyperX 8GB (2 x 4GB) KHX1600C9D3K2/8GX - http://www.newegg.com/global/uk/Product/Product.aspx?It...
AMD FX-8320 Vishera 8-Core 3.5GHz (FX-8320) - http://www.newegg.com/global/uk/Product/Product.aspx?It...
Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO (CPU Cooler) - http://www.newegg.com/global/uk/Product/Product.aspx?It...
Corsair RM850 850W Power Supply 80 Plus Gold - http://www.cclonline.com/product/124317/CP-9020056-UK/P...
LG Bulk GH24NSB0 (CD/DVRW) - http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00E5YSTGY/?tag=pcp0f-21
Asus PCE-N15 300Mbps N PCI Express Wireless Network Card - http://www.aria.co.uk/SuperSpecials/Other+products/Asus...
Zalman Z11 Plus Black Midi Tower Window Gaming Case - http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Cases/Midi+To...
120GB Samsung 840 EVO Series 2.5" SSD (Get on amazon) - http://www.aria.co.uk/SuperSpecials/Other+products/120G...
EVGA GeForce GTX 780 3GB - http://www.evga.com/Products/Product.aspx?pn=04G-P4-377...

I have £60-£80 Spare, What should i use this to up?


That build looks pretty solid to me. If you really wanted to spend the extra cash, you could push that into the processor and up it to an 8350. Just an option. Is it much more to up the RAM? 10GB or 12GB?

Also, I noticed you are getting the Asus Xonar DG sound card. It's a really solid sound card for the price and definitely sounds much bettere than on-board. I have one of these as well and looove the headphone AMP capability as it can drive much more higher impedence headphones. I really recommend you used the UNI Xonar Driver for it. http://maxedtech.com/asus-xonar-unified-drivers/
It's the best driver you can get for it. Don't bother with the ASUS driver at all for it.
June 30, 2014 2:08:19 PM

Personal experience time:

My computer was first built with an FX-8320 and MSI GTX 760 SLI. Long story, I got one GPU free from a friend and just added a second since it was cost effective. In games like BF4 and Titanfall, my performance was not what is expected. I'd get on average 60 fps on ultra with huge FPS drops down to 30-40 any time there was a lot of action on the screen (explosions, particles, etc). I was OC on the processor to 4.2 ghz with no temp problems.

I just upgraded to a 4790k and my computer feels like it's entered the 21st century. My FPS in BF4 are now in the 120-130 range on average with no sudden drops. Some maps run a little higher on average, while some run a little lower. Titanfall is not experiencing any FPS drops either. Everything runs smoother and loads faster. BF4 used to take 20-25 seconds to launch from Battlelog. It now is up and running in under 10.

There is almost no situation, based on my experience, that I can recommend an FX processor. Everyone who says an Intel is better, as far as I can see, is 100% accurate. I would have bought an i5 instead of i7, but it's only $100 difference and in theory this will be more "future proof". I know this isn't a 100% straight comparison, but just my experience with switching from AMD to Intel.
June 30, 2014 2:09:56 PM

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And the i7-3960x is three years old. Should someone not build a new system with a 3 year old i7-3960x? That is the beauty of high-end processors, they last much longer and are "future-proof".



Correct. Only an idiot would build a new system with an i7 3960x when that person could get a better 4930k for a lot less money.



Yeah, just like only an idiot would recommend an i3 CPU for gaming. We finally are in agreement!
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June 30, 2014 2:15:49 PM

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Personal experience time:

My computer was first built with an FX-8320 and MSI GTX 760 SLI. Long story, I got one GPU free from a friend and just added a second since it was cost effective. In games like BF4 and Titanfall, my performance was not what is expected. I'd get on average 60 fps on ultra with huge FPS drops down to 30-40 any time there was a lot of action on the screen (explosions, particles, etc). I was OC on the processor to 4.2 ghz with no temp problems.

I just upgraded to a 4790k and my computer feels like it's entered the 21st century. My FPS in BF4 are now in the 120-130 range on average with no sudden drops. Some maps run a little higher on average, while some run a little lower. Titanfall is not experiencing any FPS drops either. Everything runs smoother and loads faster. BF4 used to take 20-25 seconds to launch from Battlelog. It now is up and running in under 10.

There is almost no situation, based on my experience, that I can recommend an FX processor. Everyone who says an Intel is better, as far as I can see, is 100% accurate. I would have bought an i5 instead of i7, but it's only $100 difference and in theory this will be more "future proof". I know this isn't a 100% straight comparison, but just my experience with switching from AMD to Intel.




Exactly. Yet we get called fanboys for recommending Intel. I've built 2 gaming PCs with FXs and both people switched over to Intel within the first year.
June 30, 2014 2:20:46 PM

Quantim0 said:
Personal experience time:

My computer was first built with an FX-8320 and MSI GTX 760 SLI. Long story, I got one GPU free from a friend and just added a second since it was cost effective. In games like BF4 and Titanfall, my performance was not what is expected. I'd get on average 60 fps on ultra with huge FPS drops down to 30-40 any time there was a lot of action on the screen (explosions, particles, etc). I was OC on the processor to 4.2 ghz with no temp problems.

I just upgraded to a 4790k and my computer feels like it's entered the 21st century. My FPS in BF4 are now in the 120-130 range on average with no sudden drops. Some maps run a little higher on average, while some run a little lower. Titanfall is not experiencing any FPS drops either. Everything runs smoother and loads faster. BF4 used to take 20-25 seconds to launch from Battlelog. It now is up and running in under 10.

There is almost no situation, based on my experience, that I can recommend an FX processor. Everyone who says an Intel is better, as far as I can see, is 100% accurate. I would have bought an i5 instead of i7, but it's only $100 difference and in theory this will be more "future proof". I know this isn't a 100% straight comparison, but just my experience with switching from AMD to Intel.


Hmmm, i currently run a FX-8120 @ stock speeds, with a HD 6950 crossfire set up. I have never had any issues with performance. One single 6950 2GB was able to run Ultra on BF4 with minor dips into low FPS. Once I did a crossfire set up it has been smooth as butter all the way around with Ultra settings. I have not had any performance issues in any game that I have played.

Although I do know that the i5 and other CPU's do perform better on certain things, I don't see why you were having such issues with an 8320. Especially when I am running a much older and very first FX series CPU. It still chugs away at anything I throw at it at stock speeds.
June 30, 2014 2:22:50 PM

Quantim0 said:
Personal experience time:

My computer was first built with an FX-8320 and MSI GTX 760 SLI. Long story, I got one GPU free from a friend and just added a second since it was cost effective. In games like BF4 and Titanfall, my performance was not what is expected. I'd get on average 60 fps on ultra with huge FPS drops down to 30-40 any time there was a lot of action on the screen (explosions, particles, etc). I was OC on the processor to 4.2 ghz with no temp problems.

I just upgraded to a 4790k and my computer feels like it's entered the 21st century. My FPS in BF4 are now in the 120-130 range on average with no sudden drops. Some maps run a little higher on average, while some run a little lower. Titanfall is not experiencing any FPS drops either. Everything runs smoother and loads faster. BF4 used to take 20-25 seconds to launch from Battlelog. It now is up and running in under 10.

There is almost no situation, based on my experience, that I can recommend an FX processor. Everyone who says an Intel is better, as far as I can see, is 100% accurate. I would have bought an i5 instead of i7, but it's only $100 difference and in theory this will be more "future proof". I know this isn't a 100% straight comparison, but just my experience with switching from AMD to Intel.


Yeah, I am sure the new i7-4790k outperforms both the 8320 and 8350. It should, it did just come out like a week ago! lol Did you upgrade any additional components (i.e. ram, SSD, etc). Can you post the specs of your old system and new system. I like to see real world performance difference between the two (AMD and Intel) as opposed to people just quoting what they read online and being convinced because everyone else says so.
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