America Happy Birthday
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musical marv
July 4, 2014 5:14:03 PM
Today we celebrate July 4 the birthday of America and also 50 years of the Civil Rights Movement.A lot of water has gone under the bridge in these past 50 years of the movement and we are still not there yet.Hopefully one day we will be. Maybe not in my time but in future generations to come.
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ctbaars
July 5, 2014 8:07:59 PM
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July 7, 2014 5:45:58 PM
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4Ryan6
July 8, 2014 3:39:07 AM
musical marv said:
Today we celebrate July 4 the birthday of America and also 50 years of the Civil Rights Movement.A lot of water has gone under the bridge in these past 50 years of the movement and we are still not there yet.Hopefully one day we will be. Maybe not in my time but in future generations to come.Well this is a belated response, but I 2nd that Marv! Ry
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musical marv
July 8, 2014 5:16:34 PM
4Ryan6 said:
musical marv said:
Today we celebrate July 4 the birthday of America and also 50 years of the Civil Rights Movement.A lot of water has gone under the bridge in these past 50 years of the movement and we are still not there yet.Hopefully one day we will be. Maybe not in my time but in future generations to come.Well this is a belated response, but I 2nd that Marv! Ry
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DontBotherMe said:
America: Founded in Genocide and Built by Slavery.
I quoted this deleted message to make a point. The above thinking is something that is frequently espoused by some members of the statist New Left such as the president and it is the main reason that we haven't moved beyond the 1950s in terms of race relations. They want to fundamentally remake the country into a Marxist "worker's paradise" and are using racism and sexism as the main driving reasons because the original economic reasons have played out very poorly in other countries (and also run counter to the rugged individualism capitalism and personal freedom that founded this country.) So they continually inflame race relations and play identity politics. That may be good for getting them re-elected but it has been certainly harming race relations amongst the populace (I would say "citizens" but we're closed to "subjects" at this point, and a good chunk of the U.S. population are not even citizens.) You have every non-Caucasian group except for Asians being treated as victims and Caucasians and Asians are being forced to pay for it due to "historical trauma." Asians have actually been heavily discriminated against in the U.S. with the Chinese Exclusion Acts and the forcing of over 100,000 Japanese during WWII into concentration camps by the executive order of Socialist-Democrat-in-Chief Franklin Delano Roosevelt. But they are successful so they can't be victims. However we can't even discuss provable statistics that may reflect unfavorably on the other groups such as less educational attainment despite the heavy use of institutionalized racism in their favor ("affirmative action"), crime rates, and out-of-wedlock births just to name a few, so that any improvement on these problems can be obtained. The evil white or Asian man must always be at fault no matter what.
There were some ugly and wrong things done in the past. There are some ugly and wrong things done today as well. Two wrongs do NOT make a right despite the psuedo-karma rationale the self-serving statists have broadcasted all over the land on their bought-and-paid-for media outlets. We'll never move beyond this until we restore the Constitutionally-mandated limited government and large amount of personal freedom that this country was founded on and get rid of the race-baiting and pandering. Once we do that people will get along pretty well as a general rule as we are pretty heterogeneous and people as individuals largely do tend to be friendly to "different" individuals once they are familiar with them. It's the sanctioned hatred toward the nameless and faceless "other" that gets people all riled up that we need to get rid of.
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musical marv
July 9, 2014 5:37:50 PM
MU_Engineer said:
DontBotherMe said:
America: Founded in Genocide and Built by Slavery.
I quoted this deleted message to make a point. The above thinking is something that is frequently espoused by some members of the statist New Left such as the president and it is the main reason that we haven't moved beyond the 1950s in terms of race relations. They want to fundamentally remake the country into a Marxist "worker's paradise" and are using racism and sexism as the main driving reasons because the original economic reasons have played out very poorly in other countries (and also run counter to the rugged individualism capitalism and personal freedom that founded this country.) So they continually inflame race relations and play identity politics. That may be good for getting them re-elected but it has been certainly harming race relations amongst the populace (I would say "citizens" but we're closed to "subjects" at this point, and a good chunk of the U.S. population are not even citizens.) You have every non-Caucasian group except for Asians being treated as victims and Caucasians and Asians are being forced to pay for it due to "historical trauma." Asians have actually been heavily discriminated against in the U.S. with the Chinese Exclusion Acts and the forcing of over 100,000 Japanese during WWII into concentration camps by the executive order of Socialist-Democrat-in-Chief Franklin Delano Roosevelt. But they are successful so they can't be victims. However we can't even discuss provable statistics that may reflect unfavorably on the other groups such as less educational attainment despite the heavy use of institutionalized racism in their favor ("affirmative action"), crime rates, and out-of-wedlock births just to name a few, so that any improvement on these problems can be obtained. The evil white or Asian man must always be at fault no matter what.
There were some ugly and wrong things done in the past. There are some ugly and wrong things done today as well. Two wrongs do NOT make a right despite the psuedo-karma rationale the self-serving statists have broadcasted all over the land on their bought-and-paid-for media outlets. We'll never move beyond this until we restore the Constitutionally-mandated limited government and large amount of personal freedom that this country was founded on and get rid of the race-baiting and pandering. Once we do that people will get along pretty well as a general rule as we are pretty heterogeneous and people as individuals largely do tend to be friendly to "different" individuals once they are familiar with them. It's the sanctioned hatred toward the nameless and faceless "other" that gets people all riled up that we need to get rid of.
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musical marv said:
I agree with you on this but you left out one important fact the JEWS are still being discriminated until today also.They certainly are, becuase they are stereotypically successful. Christians are discriminated against as well because they hold an allegiance to a power they hold in higher regard than the State (their god) and their beliefs often are at odds of that of the State (see the Hobby Lobby case.) This is not to be tolerated in a statist State.
However other religions generally get a pass, in particular one which arose in the Middle East around 700 AD and has a little over a billion adherents worldwide.
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musical marv
July 10, 2014 5:30:10 PM
4Ryan6
July 11, 2014 2:56:29 AM
musical marv
July 11, 2014 5:31:12 PM
gropouce
July 14, 2014 12:16:49 PM
ctbaars
July 14, 2014 2:24:25 PM
gropouce
July 15, 2014 1:19:28 AM
4Ryan6
July 15, 2014 2:24:38 AM
gropouce
July 15, 2014 4:27:58 AM
musical marv
July 15, 2014 6:13:46 PM
gropouce said:
and i may be the only one who cares, here, but today is the french national day.Anniversary of the storming of the Bastille.
Not really a national birthday, but this day is important for us as related to the beginning of Freedom.
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gropouce
July 16, 2014 2:12:54 AM
PalestineLives
July 20, 2014 8:07:46 AM
MU_Engineer said:
DontBotherMe said:
America: Founded in Genocide and Built by Slavery.
I quoted this deleted message to make a point. The above thinking is something that is frequently espoused by some members of the statist New Left such as the president and it is the main reason that we haven't moved beyond the 1950s in terms of race relations. They want to fundamentally remake the country into a Marxist "worker's paradise" and are using racism and sexism as the main driving reasons because the original economic reasons have played out very poorly in other countries (and also run counter to the rugged individualism capitalism and personal freedom that founded this country.) So they continually inflame race relations and play identity politics. That may be good for getting them re-elected but it has been certainly harming race relations amongst the populace (I would say "citizens" but we're closed to "subjects" at this point, and a good chunk of the U.S. population are not even citizens.) You have every non-Caucasian group except for Asians being treated as victims and Caucasians and Asians are being forced to pay for it due to "historical trauma." Asians have actually been heavily discriminated against in the U.S. with the Chinese Exclusion Acts and the forcing of over 100,000 Japanese during WWII into concentration camps by the executive order of Socialist-Democrat-in-Chief Franklin Delano Roosevelt. But they are successful so they can't be victims. However we can't even discuss provable statistics that may reflect unfavorably on the other groups such as less educational attainment despite the heavy use of institutionalized racism in their favor ("affirmative action"), crime rates, and out-of-wedlock births just to name a few, so that any improvement on these problems can be obtained. The evil white or Asian man must always be at fault no matter what.
There were some ugly and wrong things done in the past. There are some ugly and wrong things done today as well. Two wrongs do NOT make a right despite the psuedo-karma rationale the self-serving statists have broadcasted all over the land on their bought-and-paid-for media outlets. We'll never move beyond this until we restore the Constitutionally-mandated limited government and large amount of personal freedom that this country was founded on and get rid of the race-baiting and pandering. Once we do that people will get along pretty well as a general rule as we are pretty heterogeneous and people as individuals largely do tend to be friendly to "different" individuals once they are familiar with them. It's the sanctioned hatred toward the nameless and faceless "other" that gets people all riled up that we need to get rid of.
Glad you reposted the comment again. I agree 100% with the original poster! Those are two facts. 100% truthful! You could write a 1000 page book if you want to discredit that statement but you will never be able to.
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4Ryan6
July 20, 2014 8:54:43 AM
It is amazing that after all this time we still live under a stigma label, that to this day affects US racial thinking, for instance when a Black man calls himself an African American, (There's the separation label!), because to me he is not an African American, he is an American!
Period!
Until we all can look beyond the skin color and see the person, we will never be one and united.
Period!
Until we all can look beyond the skin color and see the person, we will never be one and united.
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PalestineLives
July 20, 2014 8:56:19 AM
4Ryan6 said:
It is amazing that after this time we still live under a stigma label, that to this day affects racial thinking, for instance when a Black man calls himself an African American, (There's the separation label!), because to me he is not an African American, he is an American! Period!
Until we all can look beyond the skin color and see the person, we will never be one and united.
Until we break down all barriers, we shall never know peace. If aliens came down to earth, then and only then, might we see ourselves as one race!
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4Ryan6
July 20, 2014 9:06:49 AM
PalestineLives said:
4Ryan6 said:
It is amazing that after this time we still live under a stigma label, that to this day affects racial thinking, for instance when a Black man calls himself an African American, (There's the separation label!), because to me he is not an African American, he is an American! Period!
Until we all can look beyond the skin color and see the person, we will never be one and united.
Until we break down all barriers, we shall never know peace. If aliens came down to earth, then and only then, might we see ourselves as one race!
That's a very good point!
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musical marv
July 20, 2014 6:25:44 PM
4Ryan6 said:
It is amazing that after all this time we still live under a stigma label, that to this day affects US racial thinking, for instance when a Black man calls himself an African American, (There's the separation label!), because to me he is not an African American, he is an American! Period!
Until we all can look beyond the skin color and see the person, we will never be one and united.
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gropouce
July 21, 2014 12:33:25 AM
4Ryan6 said:
It is amazing that after all this time we still live under a stigma label, that to this day affects US racial thinking, for instance when a Black man calls himself an African American, (There's the separation label!), because to me he is not an African American, he is an American! Period!
Until we all can look beyond the skin color and see the person, we will never be one and united.
musical marv said:
4Ryan6 said:
It is amazing that after all this time we still live under a stigma label, that to this day affects US racial thinking, for instance when a Black man calls himself an African American, (There's the separation label!), because to me he is not an African American, he is an American! Period!
Until we all can look beyond the skin color and see the person, we will never be one and united.
i don't know if it is about racism, here
We got a similar issue here; many french people are born from North African parents (Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia).
In my opinion, they love to talk about their origins and refer to it, not denial for the country that receives them, but for the sake of identity.
The archetype of the French being white grouch who drinks wine with a baguette and omelette du fromage (sacrebleu). An image that does not fit with the Maghreb. Suddenly, the French immigrant need to connect to their roots to explain their origins.
That is why I have many friends who supported both teams in the World Cup football.
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musical marv
July 21, 2014 7:40:54 PM
gropouce said:
4Ryan6 said:
It is amazing that after all this time we still live under a stigma label, that to this day affects US racial thinking, for instance when a Black man calls himself an African American, (There's the separation label!), because to me he is not an African American, he is an American! Period!
Until we all can look beyond the skin color and see the person, we will never be one and united.
musical marv said:
4Ryan6 said:
It is amazing that after all this time we still live under a stigma label, that to this day affects US racial thinking, for instance when a Black man calls himself an African American, (There's the separation label!), because to me he is not an African American, he is an American! Period!
Until we all can look beyond the skin color and see the person, we will never be one and united.
i don't know if it is about racism, here
We got a similar issue here; many french people are born from North African parents (Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia).
In my opinion, they love to talk about their origins and refer to it, not denial for the country that receives them, but for the sake of identity.
The archetype of the French being white grouch who drinks wine with a baguette and omelette du fromage (sacrebleu). An image that does not fit with the Maghreb. Suddenly, the French immigrant need to connect to their roots to explain their origins.
That is why I have many friends who supported both teams in the World Cup football.
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4Ryan6
July 22, 2014 5:04:40 AM
musical marv said:
In the last week this have been 2 incidents where Black-Americans have been beaten up by the police and one was killed for no reason. What is that tell me!Prejudicial abuse of power, Racial profiling etc., it happens quite a bit in the US.
Some times Police automatically see through blinders generated by constantly seeing crime happen, they form negative opinions and attitudes when they look at individuals and automatically assume the worse.
I had a nephew in law, that worked for the Sheriffs Department, he carried that suspicious attitude around with him like a cloud hanging over his head, even at family events, sometimes he would look at me like I was some kind of criminal, which made me want to slap him up side his head.
But I would confront him, "What are you glaring at me like that for?", and then he would completely change his attitude?
I think it is naturally drilled into any law enforcement officer to be suspicious, but when they loose control of their suspicions and act, off of false assumptions, well, they just crossed the line.
They are not above the law they are supposed to be upholding, so they should suffer the consequences of such actions.
On another note:
I am personally getting sick of all the politically correctness happening today like gasoline on a fire!
This person said something that offended someone, well then media crucify him or her!
Next thing you know a major complaint will be filed because someone farted in public!
It is now beginning to border on ridiculous!
It's like no one has a right to their own opinion anymore!
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musical marv
July 22, 2014 5:54:25 PM
4Ryan6 said:
musical marv said:
In the last week this have been 2 incidents where Black-Americans have been beaten up by the police and one was killed for no reason. What is that tell me!Prejudicial abuse of power, Racial profiling etc., it happens quite a bit in the US.
Some times Police automatically see through blinders generated by constantly seeing crime happen, they form negative opinions and attitudes when they look at individuals and automatically assume the worse.
I had a nephew in law, that worked for the Sheriffs Department, he carried that suspicious attitude around with him like a cloud hanging over his head, even at family events, sometimes he would look at me like I was some kind of criminal, which made me want to slap him up side his head.
But I would confront him, "What are you glaring at me like that for?", and then he would completely change his attitude?
I think it is naturally drilled into any law enforcement officer to be suspicious, but when they loose control of their suspicions and act, off of false assumptions, well, they just crossed the line.
They are not above the law they are supposed to be upholding, so they should suffer the consequences of such actions.
On another note:
I am personally getting sick of all the politically correctness happening today like gasoline on a fire!
This person said something that offended someone, well then media crucify him or her!
Next thing you know a major complaint will be filed because someone farted in public!
It is now beginning to border on ridiculous!
It's like no one has a right to their own opinion anymore!
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iceclock
July 22, 2014 5:57:54 PM
ctbaars
July 23, 2014 12:49:16 PM
We can at least be grateful that the US is an open society. Far more open than the ones that complain about the US. Police brutality is a terrible crime (against humanity). Rape is a terrible crime (against humanity). But look at how often it happens around the world -> that we hear about.
I am grateful that the slightest crime is open for view around the world. If I get pulled over for DUI, a person anywhere in the world can know about it. Oh wait. That's right. They can't. They have a government that stops them from viewing it. Think about what the US allows one to say and do and compare it to what the moderators on forum web sites allow in general.
I'm grateful that I can openly be any race, any sexual orientation, any religion or any political party even if we continually struggle with justice and equality.
I'm grateful that I'm allowed to criticize, love or hate.
Most hate is directed at the US because it is allowed and people love to hate, to hide their own or own societies short comings.
Boy; I'm bringing a tear to my eye ...
I am grateful that the slightest crime is open for view around the world. If I get pulled over for DUI, a person anywhere in the world can know about it. Oh wait. That's right. They can't. They have a government that stops them from viewing it. Think about what the US allows one to say and do and compare it to what the moderators on forum web sites allow in general.
I'm grateful that I can openly be any race, any sexual orientation, any religion or any political party even if we continually struggle with justice and equality.
I'm grateful that I'm allowed to criticize, love or hate.
Most hate is directed at the US because it is allowed and people love to hate, to hide their own or own societies short comings.
Boy; I'm bringing a tear to my eye ...
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gropouce
July 23, 2014 2:10:22 PM
ctbaars
July 23, 2014 2:50:29 PM
musical marv
July 23, 2014 8:24:54 PM
gropouce
July 24, 2014 1:06:16 AM
Sorry ctbaars, it must be my fault... your language is not so easy to learn, i was lied to.
Yeah, marv, for sure.
I've never heard about someone who hates US "because of its freedom".
This is precisely the kind of premise that we find extremely laughable on the other side of Atlantic. (no offense)
But there are still many people who don't hate you.
Look at me. I don't hate US.
You get me angry enough to make me want to bitchslap you at least once a month, but I do not hate you.
People reactions are a direct result of your international politics.
musical marv said:
Every country has it's pros and cons.Yeah, marv, for sure.
I've never heard about someone who hates US "because of its freedom".
This is precisely the kind of premise that we find extremely laughable on the other side of Atlantic. (no offense)
But there are still many people who don't hate you.
Look at me. I don't hate US.
You get me angry enough to make me want to bitchslap you at least once a month, but I do not hate you.
People reactions are a direct result of your international politics.
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4Ryan6
July 24, 2014 3:39:27 AM
ctbaars
July 24, 2014 7:47:13 AM
gropouce
July 24, 2014 9:03:30 AM
Haha! great britain told you ?
It's a bit hypocritical to tell us not to honor our signature when english government has more than 250 licenses for exports of military equipment with Russia. So we don't give a sh*t about their "reviews"
And in France, we'll be glad if USA stops funding IDF army !.. (how much by year ? 3 billions ? you have nothing else to do with that money ???)
But we are all sovereigns in our respective countries and do not let others dictate our conduct. Although it would be preferable sometimes to listen to its allies.
(you all are welcome here, guys. First beers round is on me)
It's a bit hypocritical to tell us not to honor our signature when english government has more than 250 licenses for exports of military equipment with Russia. So we don't give a sh*t about their "reviews"
And in France, we'll be glad if USA stops funding IDF army !.. (how much by year ? 3 billions ? you have nothing else to do with that money ???)
But we are all sovereigns in our respective countries and do not let others dictate our conduct. Although it would be preferable sometimes to listen to its allies.
(you all are welcome here, guys. First beers round is on me)
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ctbaars
July 24, 2014 9:20:52 AM
Ha Ha. oh yeah. Yes, Great Britain, you're right! I wish we would keep our nose out of other people business. You know. Except when Angela Merkel bugs us. oh wait ... And about the IDF. Did you know 2.5 billion of those dollars are Donations from individuals to Israel? And how about this!
"U.S. Selling $11B in Weaponry to Gulf State That Supports Hamas, Syrian Jihadists"
"U.S. Selling $11B in Weaponry to Gulf State That Supports Hamas, Syrian Jihadists"
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gropouce
July 24, 2014 1:49:15 PM
No, i admit i have no idea of where those 3billions came from. But i've seen the congres voting the amount allocated for israel.
And i'll be glad if i knew that innocent palestinian civilians were that much helped. Just for balance.
that doesn't mean i don't like Israel or Jews or bacon. My complaints are against the rulers, not the ruled.
But i agree with you, and we all should keep our nose out of other business... this is utopia, i guess.
Wait... what ???
Are you telling me that you are funding IDF army while you are selling weapons to Hamas AND still organize mediation meetings ???...
If true, there is something damn wrong, here.
And i'll be glad if i knew that innocent palestinian civilians were that much helped. Just for balance.
that doesn't mean i don't like Israel or Jews or bacon. My complaints are against the rulers, not the ruled.
But i agree with you, and we all should keep our nose out of other business... this is utopia, i guess.
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"U.S. Selling $11B in Weaponry to Gulf State That Supports Hamas, Syrian Jihadists" Wait... what ???
Are you telling me that you are funding IDF army while you are selling weapons to Hamas AND still organize mediation meetings ???...
If true, there is something damn wrong, here.
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ctbaars
July 25, 2014 7:19:33 AM
We all sell arms to everyone. It's a six-degrees-of-separation thing. It's good money and we don't export much. We are near the bottom of per capita for imports and exports in the 1st world, but being big, the numbers are big. Now, things look different if you were in the country of "European Union" instead of France. What a powerhouse the United States of Europe would be. It is time for the United States of Europe to exert more influence.
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gropouce
July 25, 2014 8:29:34 AM
Agreed.
This EU is a mess for a large majority of european people.
And we can't say our voices are heard.
I remember referudum on the adoption of the European Constitution.
Major French political circles were all campaigning for adoption.
Citizens voted "no" massively.
After that, our "senators" agreed that the adoption decision would be taken at the national assembly.
Final result was: "France voted "yes"."
It was a flagrant denial of democracy.
Shameful.
Maybe you could drop a little bunch of bombs on us to bring back some democracy over here ? (just kidding, no offense)
This EU is a mess for a large majority of european people.
And we can't say our voices are heard.
I remember referudum on the adoption of the European Constitution.
Major French political circles were all campaigning for adoption.
Citizens voted "no" massively.
After that, our "senators" agreed that the adoption decision would be taken at the national assembly.
Final result was: "France voted "yes"."
It was a flagrant denial of democracy.
Shameful.
Maybe you could drop a little bunch of bombs on us to bring back some democracy over here ? (just kidding, no offense)
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strecker1969
August 13, 2014 8:15:05 PM
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