Did I kill my motherboard? (ASUS Z87-A)
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NickV96
July 29, 2014 1:25:57 PM
Hey everyone,
Firstly, I would like to let you know that I am new to this forum. Now, before I go to explain my problem, I must mention that I am not new to building PC's, nor is this thread about a new build.
Alright, in December last year I've built my gaming rig with the following specs:
Intel Core i5-4670k @ 3.4Ghz (stock speed, Zalman CNPS10X cooler)
ASUS Z87-A Motherboard
Corsair Vengeance LP 8GB DDR3 @ 1600Mhz (No XMP profiles enabled, just stock)
ASUS GeForce GTX 770 OC
Western Digital BLACK 1TB Harddrive
Corsair CS650M, 650watt PSU
Windows 8.1
I was tight to a budget at the time (€1150) so I decided to get a temporarily chassis. Today my new chassis came in (Corsair Carbide 300R). I took all of the usual safety precautions; cleaning up my workspace, working on a hardwood floor, wearing a anti-static wriststrap, not wearing socks, touching the chassis on occasion. I started off with screwing all of my parts out of the old chassis, and kept them on the boxes they came in. The first thing I've noticed when installing my motherboard into the new chassis was that I had to push down the right lower corner by about 9mm, which is in my opinion rather disturbing. Here I must notify that I accidently broke a few pins on my USB 3.0 header, and a few pins were touching. Once all of my parts were installed I gave it a go and hooked my PC up.To my biggest surprise, it turned on for about 1 second, then kept rebooting in a loop, with no beeps or any other sign of life. Also, the lights on my GPU were on, but as soon as I turned on the system, they went off. It was rather disturbing to see this happen to my - in my opinion - very expensive hardware. I held the powerbutton down, and turned off the PSU. At this moment, the motherboard won't do anyhing - AT ALL-.
I've been browsing on Tom's Hardware a couple of hours but I just couldn't find anything or anyone who had the same problems as I am experiencing right now. I've tested my PSU by grounding it using the green + groundwire paperclip trick, and it powered on as soon as I switched it on. To be very sure it was working properly, I used it in my mother's PC. PSU is fine, and is not the issue here. I've also tried to run the system using only the CPU, CPU cooler and PSU. No results. The thing just won't do anything at all. The standby-led on my motherboard is lighting up, though. I am now very scared that I may have broken down my CPU and/or GPU aswell. I think I can conclude that this is a motherboard issue, but could you guys explain to me what else could be causing me this trouble? Any help would be very much appreciated!
NOTE: I don't know if it's possible, but I think I may have attached the 8-PIN CPU connector the wrong way...
Also, sorry if my English isn't the best. It's not my native language.
- Nick
Firstly, I would like to let you know that I am new to this forum. Now, before I go to explain my problem, I must mention that I am not new to building PC's, nor is this thread about a new build.
Alright, in December last year I've built my gaming rig with the following specs:
Intel Core i5-4670k @ 3.4Ghz (stock speed, Zalman CNPS10X cooler)
ASUS Z87-A Motherboard
Corsair Vengeance LP 8GB DDR3 @ 1600Mhz (No XMP profiles enabled, just stock)
ASUS GeForce GTX 770 OC
Western Digital BLACK 1TB Harddrive
Corsair CS650M, 650watt PSU
Windows 8.1
I was tight to a budget at the time (€1150) so I decided to get a temporarily chassis. Today my new chassis came in (Corsair Carbide 300R). I took all of the usual safety precautions; cleaning up my workspace, working on a hardwood floor, wearing a anti-static wriststrap, not wearing socks, touching the chassis on occasion. I started off with screwing all of my parts out of the old chassis, and kept them on the boxes they came in. The first thing I've noticed when installing my motherboard into the new chassis was that I had to push down the right lower corner by about 9mm, which is in my opinion rather disturbing. Here I must notify that I accidently broke a few pins on my USB 3.0 header, and a few pins were touching. Once all of my parts were installed I gave it a go and hooked my PC up.To my biggest surprise, it turned on for about 1 second, then kept rebooting in a loop, with no beeps or any other sign of life. Also, the lights on my GPU were on, but as soon as I turned on the system, they went off. It was rather disturbing to see this happen to my - in my opinion - very expensive hardware. I held the powerbutton down, and turned off the PSU. At this moment, the motherboard won't do anyhing - AT ALL-.
I've been browsing on Tom's Hardware a couple of hours but I just couldn't find anything or anyone who had the same problems as I am experiencing right now. I've tested my PSU by grounding it using the green + groundwire paperclip trick, and it powered on as soon as I switched it on. To be very sure it was working properly, I used it in my mother's PC. PSU is fine, and is not the issue here. I've also tried to run the system using only the CPU, CPU cooler and PSU. No results. The thing just won't do anything at all. The standby-led on my motherboard is lighting up, though. I am now very scared that I may have broken down my CPU and/or GPU aswell. I think I can conclude that this is a motherboard issue, but could you guys explain to me what else could be causing me this trouble? Any help would be very much appreciated!
NOTE: I don't know if it's possible, but I think I may have attached the 8-PIN CPU connector the wrong way...
Also, sorry if my English isn't the best. It's not my native language.
- Nick
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Ova Nadal
July 29, 2014 3:22:32 PM
NickV96
July 29, 2014 3:43:56 PM
http://imgur.com/a/sdLJg
Here's a link to an album with pictures of how my PC currently looks. Everything is turned off and disconnected, because it is just a temporarily storage for my components now. A new motherboard is on its way and will probably arrive by tomorrow. But as you can see on the pictures, the USB pins are pretty messed up.
Here's a link to an album with pictures of how my PC currently looks. Everything is turned off and disconnected, because it is just a temporarily storage for my components now. A new motherboard is on its way and will probably arrive by tomorrow. But as you can see on the pictures, the USB pins are pretty messed up.
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Ova Nadal
July 29, 2014 4:04:46 PM
NickV96
July 29, 2014 4:11:29 PM
Ova Nadal
July 29, 2014 4:21:57 PM
51 ampere!!! thats great for most of the pci-e video cards. Anyway, do you have any bios post card?.........if you don´t i´ve watching your pictures and i can´t see very well the broken pins......if you did those pics with your cellphone i can recommend you that every time you can take a pic, first of all, touch the screen where you can see that is out of focus, and then when the focus is ok, you can take a picture.
Assuming that you dont have a bios post card, try to connect everything again. But this time if you turn on and nothing happend, disconnect the CPU power spupply. If you disconnect the CPU PSU and the motherboard starts, it means that the problem is in the CPU circuit or the CPU is not supported or is bad.
Another Thing, when you connect everything again before you push the power buttom, try to touch with you fingers every chip, and, every mosfet.......if you feel that something is very very hot, inmediately disconnect everything and try to change that component...............well with this info you have a lot of things to do. Tell us what happened
Assuming that you dont have a bios post card, try to connect everything again. But this time if you turn on and nothing happend, disconnect the CPU power spupply. If you disconnect the CPU PSU and the motherboard starts, it means that the problem is in the CPU circuit or the CPU is not supported or is bad.
Another Thing, when you connect everything again before you push the power buttom, try to touch with you fingers every chip, and, every mosfet.......if you feel that something is very very hot, inmediately disconnect everything and try to change that component...............well with this info you have a lot of things to do. Tell us what happened
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NickV96
July 29, 2014 4:29:44 PM
I have just removed my CMOS battery. I've read somewhere that it MAY fix some things. Small chance though. Anyway, I'll leave that battery out for the night and try again when I wake up. I do however think it IS a motherboard problem, since I've already tried starting it up without the 8PIN CPU connector... If the battery reset doesn't fix anything, I'll just put the new motherboard in. I'll keep you guys updated, because I have a nasty feeling about this.
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Ova Nadal
July 29, 2014 5:18:38 PM
Well let me tell you that if you remove the battery just to clear the CMOS, you can do it faster, pushing the power buttom 3 o 4 times without connect the psu.
You don`t need to wait 3, 4 or 8 hours to clear the cmos. Clear CMOS (if you read the mainboard manual) will put the system settings as default. And you can start again, but only works when you was working with the bios.......which means that the mainboard turns on and you can go inside the BIOS setup
You don`t need to wait 3, 4 or 8 hours to clear the cmos. Clear CMOS (if you read the mainboard manual) will put the system settings as default. And you can start again, but only works when you was working with the bios.......which means that the mainboard turns on and you can go inside the BIOS setup
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NickV96
July 29, 2014 5:26:41 PM
Ova Nadal
July 29, 2014 5:51:44 PM
do this..........remove cpu, ram, hdd, any cable inside.......only the motherboard and PSU. Turn on........if nothing happens you can do the last one.......but it`s only to see what part of the circuit is bad. Look for green cable in the psu connector......make a bridge with any black cable.......if the PSU runs, it`s ok.........but if it dont the psu is bad.........if it runs, turn it off.......then connect the psu to the mainboard and do the same thing.........make a bridge between green and any black cable. You will see that the motherboard starts (obviously without cpu, ram, hdd, etc) but may be you will see a little smoke.......which means that the smoke comes from the componnent that was bad. (sometimes)
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NickV96
July 30, 2014 1:35:10 AM
Ova Nadal said:
do this..........remove cpu, ram, hdd, any cable inside.......only the motherboard and PSU. Turn on........if nothing happens you can do the last one.......but it`s only to see what part of the circuit is bad. Look for green cable in the psu connector......make a bridge with any black cable.......if the PSU runs, it`s ok.........but if it dont the psu is bad.........if it runs, turn it off.......then connect the psu to the mainboard and do the same thing.........make a bridge between green and any black cable. You will see that the motherboard starts (obviously without cpu, ram, hdd, etc) but may be you will see a little smoke.......which means that the smoke comes from the componnent that was bad. (sometimes)I'm not trying to be rude, or something... but in my post I've stated that I've already tried this method to test my PSU. I even ran it in my mom's PC, and the PSU just isn't the issue here.
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NickV96
July 30, 2014 1:40:49 AM
volcanoscout said:
Hmmm...interesting dialogue. Nick, what's your RAM setup? 1 x8, 2 x 4, 4 x 2?My setup is 2 x 4, dual-channel obviously. Just before you go any further about the RAM, I want to let you know that it is 100% compatible with my CPU aswell as the motherboard. I'm running my RAM modules on their stock speed and I'm not using XMP or any other OC method to get more performance. My CPU also runs at stock speed.
*Oh yeah,I remember something very important! ;
When I said I had to push down the right lower corner of the motherboard, it came to my mind that I may have forgotten a standoff right there... I'm NOT sure, though. It is very easy possible. If I DID forget a standoff, my motherboard is cut short and is officially dead (altough I think it is dead anyway). My new motherboard is on its way now, but I'll try to make this one work again. Something tells me that there's still a chance to possibly "resurrect" it.
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NickV96 said:
volcanoscout said:
Hmmm...interesting dialogue. Nick, what's your RAM setup? 1 x8, 2 x 4, 4 x 2?My setup is 2 x 4, dual-channel obviously. Just before you go any further about the RAM, I want to let you know that it is 100% compatible with my CPU aswell as the motherboard. I'm running my RAM modules on their stock speed and I'm not using XMP or any other OC method to get more performance. My CPU also runs at stock speed.
*Oh yeah,I remember something very important! ;
When I said I had to push down the right lower corner of the motherboard, it came to my mind that I may have forgotten a standoff right there... I'm NOT sure, though. It is very easy possible. If I DID forget a standoff, my motherboard is cut short and is officially dead (altough I think it is dead anyway). My new motherboard is on its way now, but I'll try to make this one work again. Something tells me that there's still a chance to possibly "resurrect" it.
Bending a mobo is never a good thing - it's possible that the board is shorting on the case somewhere or that a circuit on the PCB is broken. Best way to check for that is to pull the board and set it up by itself (you can use the box it came in for a bench). Since you'll need to pull it to put in the replacement anyway... When you pull it, you can verify whether you missed a standoff. You can also see if it works outside the case - if does, then it was being shorted somewhere in the case; either at the missing standoff position, or if it wasn't missing then somewhere else.
Where I was going with the RAM isn't about compatibility, it was to eliminate the possibility of a dead or faulty stick and/or faulty DIMM slots.
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Ova Nadal
July 30, 2014 6:02:52 AM
Ova Nadal said:
ok, good, if you have any electronic tester, try to use it cause it´s very helpful in these cases. I think you need to leave this for a couple of days.....and re start again. Sometimes the tree hidden the forestAnd then put some chicken bones and a piece of garlic in a small black and red bag and super-glue it to the drive rack. Dude, you're scaring me...
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NickV96
July 30, 2014 7:05:02 AM
volcanoscout said:
Ova Nadal said:
ok, good, if you have any electronic tester, try to use it cause it´s very helpful in these cases. I think you need to leave this for a couple of days.....and re start again. Sometimes the tree hidden the forestAnd then put some chicken bones and a piece of garlic in a small black and red bag and super-glue it to the drive rack. Dude, you're scaring me...
I've got my PC back up and running. It was indeed my old motherbaord that was causing me problems. I've also found out why it shorted out; there was a standoff with a pin pre-screwed in, which was supposed to stay in that way. I thought is was a fabric malfunction, so I replaced it with a regular standoff, causing uneven height and shorting out the board. Also, I did not forget a standoff. It was simply that ONE standoff which I replaced that caused the short. The CPU circuit is broken since it wouldn't start up anymore. Anyhow, I took extreme care of my new motherboard and as I write this I am (re)installing Windows 8.1 while losing all of my games, gamesaves, files etc. :L
The new motherboard I have now is another Z87-A. I think it's a very good motherboard, and I've just made stupid mistakes.
EDIT: I've ran my motherboard on a testbench multiple times yesterday - no result. the board is just short out (CPU circuit)
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Ova Nadal
July 30, 2014 7:32:29 AM
good 4 you!!! enjoy it!!!.......with the old motherboard if you have a tester, and if you dont know anything about electronic, put the tester in diode mode, and check all fets of the old motherabard and compare the values with the new one. if you have a value that does not match between the components, that is the part of the circuit that needs to be reparied.
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Ova Nadal said:
good 4 you!!! enjoy it!!!.......with the old motherboard if you have a tester, and if you dont know anything about electronic, put the tester in diode mode, and check all fets of the old motherabard and compare the values with the new one. if you have a value that does not match between the components, that is the part of the circuit that needs to be reparied.Seriously - have you read anything the OP posted?
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Ova Nadal
July 30, 2014 7:51:49 AM
volcanoscout said:
Ova Nadal said:
good 4 you!!! enjoy it!!!.......with the old motherboard if you have a tester, and if you dont know anything about electronic, put the tester in diode mode, and check all fets of the old motherabard and compare the values with the new one. if you have a value that does not match between the components, that is the part of the circuit that needs to be reparied.Seriously - have you read anything the OP posted?
what´s your problem? i´m trying to help........
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NickV96
July 30, 2014 7:56:48 AM
volcanoscout said:
Ova Nadal said:
good 4 you!!! enjoy it!!!.......with the old motherboard if you have a tester, and if you dont know anything about electronic, put the tester in diode mode, and check all fets of the old motherabard and compare the values with the new one. if you have a value that does not match between the components, that is the part of the circuit that needs to be reparied.Seriously - have you read anything the OP posted?
I don't think this guy is native English, and I also have an understanding that he has not read my entire posts. I just wanted to know what my problem could have been, and am not interested in knowing anything about ampéres, or what circuit is broken...
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Ova Nadal said:
volcanoscout said:
Ova Nadal said:
good 4 you!!! enjoy it!!!.......with the old motherboard if you have a tester, and if you dont know anything about electronic, put the tester in diode mode, and check all fets of the old motherabard and compare the values with the new one. if you have a value that does not match between the components, that is the part of the circuit that needs to be reparied.Seriously - have you read anything the OP posted?
what´s your problem? i´m trying to help........
I applaud you for the sentiment, but your advice is misguided at best. Aside from the fact that you've completely ignored the information provided by Nick, some of your recommendations are completely irrelevant to the issue and others...well, let me put it this way, if the mobo wasn't bricked before, it would be after. Giving useless advice that's harmless might just waste someone's time, but "helping" someone fry their board or CPU is something else completely.
Anyway, Nick has solved his problem and I doubt he cares to hear us bickering. If you feel we need to carry on this conversation, feel free to PM me.
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NickV96 said:
volcanoscout said:
Ova Nadal said:
good 4 you!!! enjoy it!!!.......with the old motherboard if you have a tester, and if you dont know anything about electronic, put the tester in diode mode, and check all fets of the old motherabard and compare the values with the new one. if you have a value that does not match between the components, that is the part of the circuit that needs to be reparied.Seriously - have you read anything the OP posted?
I don't think this guy is native English, and I also have an understanding that he has not read my entire posts. I just wanted to know what my problem could have been, and am not interested in knowing anything about ampéres, or what circuit is broken...
I hear you
Well, it's academic now. Glad to hear you're up and running - have fun with it!-
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Ova Nadal
July 30, 2014 8:12:55 AM
I´m from a country where we speak in spanish...........is true that my english is very poor but i´m an expert in computers, in electronic...... so yesterday I decided to post something and i ´ve been reading about the lots of problems that people have with computers and then i decided to help.........i don´t know if it was a good desicion or not, but that´s the way i´m. and i think that if you have a little peace of brain inside your head, you can understand anything. I´ll not answer any stupid thing again so next time, try to think that may be there´s someone behind the computer, that could help you in differents ways.......with big barrier that is our and your language...
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NickV96
July 30, 2014 8:28:14 AM
Ova Nadal said:
I´m from a country where we speak in spanish...........is true that my english is very poor but i´m an expert in computers, in electronic...... so yesterday I decided to post something and i ´ve been reading about the lots of problems that people have with computers and then i decided to help.........i don´t know if it was a good desicion or not, but that´s the way i´m. and i think that if you have a little peace of brain inside your head, you can understand anything. I´ll not answer any stupid thing again so next time, try to think that may be there´s someone behind the computer, that could help you in differents ways.......with big barrier that is our and your language...Well I'm very sorry to say this, but most of the advice you gave is completely irrelevant to my problems. You're basically telling me to measure the ampére on every joint on my motherboard, whilst I just want to know what my problem could have been. As I said it is not a powerrelated issue, so that's where it all ends. Anyway, I've got my PC back up and running now, reactivated Windows and am now installing the necesarry drivers, software and my Steam library.
I'd like to thank everyone on here for their replies.
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Ova Nadal said:
I´m from a country where we speak in spanish...........is true that my english is very poor but i´m an expert in computers, in electronic...... so yesterday I decided to post something and i ´ve been reading about the lots of problems that people have with computers and then i decided to help.........i don´t know if it was a good desicion or not, but that´s the way i´m. and i think that if you have a little peace of brain inside your head, you can understand anything. I´ll not answer any stupid thing again so next time, try to think that may be there´s someone behind the computer, that could help you in differents ways.......with big barrier that is our and your language...I don't doubt that you're an expert and wanting to help folks is a good thing - that's why most of us are here, experts or not. However, something is obviously being lost in translation going both ways. To be brutally frank, I would advise you to hold off on posting advice, or at least be very cautious about it, until your English improves or get some good translation software. Many of the folks who come here looking for advice have very small budgets; inadvertently causing damage to their systems can have catastrophic consequences for them. I'm sorry if you find this insulting - it's not meant to be, but it is what it is.
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Ova Nadal
July 30, 2014 11:24:28 AM
yeap well i thought that this was a forum for expert people........people who has very advanced knowledge of electronics, but anyway i found 2 or 3 forums of advanced electronics in computers but all of them was in a strange language cause most of them were from India.........si i decided to still searching.
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