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Anonymous
May 12, 2005 6:52:04 AM

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For sale: Large (200 plus) collection of RCA videodisc movies. Titles
include classic movies from the 70's, along with some from the 60's as
well as early to mid-80's titles. Collection also includes a good
selection of concert titles, mainly consisting of rock acts. A few of
the rarer discs that come to mind is The Beatles "Let It Be" and "Back
To The Future", which I believe was one of the last CED discs to be
produced.

This is a great chance to pickup a instant movie collection, no more
late night trips to Blockbuster for awhile! Most of the titles are
classics as a videophile helped me pick out the titles from a larger
collection. I would be willing to sell the whole collection for $.50
per disc. I am in the Portland, OR. metro area and can arrange
shipping but local pickup would be prefered.

Please contact me if interested.


thanks
LP

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May 12, 2005 12:13:52 PM

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"Cartrivision1" <doidy1@juno.com> wrote in message
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> For sale: Large (200 plus) collection of RCA videodisc movies. Titles
> include classic movies from the 70's, along with some from the 60's as
> well as early to mid-80's titles. Collection also includes a good
> selection of concert titles, mainly consisting of rock acts. A few of
> the rarer discs that come to mind is The Beatles "Let It Be" and "Back
> To The Future", which I believe was one of the last CED discs to be
> produced.
>
> This is a great chance to pickup a instant movie collection, no more
> late night trips to Blockbuster for awhile! Most of the titles are
> classics as a videophile helped me pick out the titles from a larger
> collection. I would be willing to sell the whole collection for $.50
> per disc. I am in the Portland, OR. metro area and can arrange
> shipping but local pickup would be prefered.
>
> Please contact me if interested.
>
>
> thanks
> LP









> which I believe was one of the last CED discs to be
>produced.
There is a good reason for this; MUCH better technology in other systems
(laserdisc).


--
Anonymous
May 14, 2005 8:25:01 AM

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In article <1186slmrnas6l27@corp.supernews.com>, _ <-@-.com> wrote:

>"Cartrivision1" <doidy1@juno.com> wrote in message
>news:1115891524.490844.70450@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> For sale: Large (200 plus) collection of RCA videodisc movies. Titles
>> include classic movies from the 70's, along with some from the 60's as
>> well as early to mid-80's titles. Collection also includes a good
>> selection of concert titles, mainly consisting of rock acts. A few of
>> the rarer discs that come to mind is The Beatles "Let It Be" and "Back
>> To The Future", which I believe was one of the last CED discs to be
>> produced.
>>
>> This is a great chance to pickup a instant movie collection, no more
>> late night trips to Blockbuster for awhile! Most of the titles are
>> classics as a videophile helped me pick out the titles from a larger
>> collection. I would be willing to sell the whole collection for $.50
>> per disc. I am in the Portland, OR. metro area and can arrange
>> shipping but local pickup would be prefered.
>>
>> Please contact me if interested.

>> which I believe was one of the last CED discs to be
>>produced.

>There is a good reason for this; MUCH better technology in other systems
>(laserdisc).

The other reason was the RCA had a revolving door for the CEO's to
go in and out. I forget the names now, but one comes in an junks
the RCA VCR development and says 'buy a VHS system and have it on
the market by Christmas'.

Next CEO comes in and says VHS costs too much [they were about
$700+ then] and pushes the CED.

Next CEO comes in and junks the CED - right after CBS announced
they were jumping on the CED bandwagon - which at that time had a
larger catalog than laser.

RCA was a truly screwed up company.

"Much Better Technology" seldom wins in the consumer market place.

Bill

--
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Anonymous
May 15, 2005 2:34:14 AM

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On Sat, 14 May 2005 04:25:01 GMT, Bill Vermillion <bv@wjv.com> wrote:


>In article <1186slmrnas6l27@corp.supernews.com>, _ <-@-.com> wrote:

>>"Cartrivision1" <doidy1@juno.com> wrote in message
>>news:1115891524.490844.70450@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>> For sale: Large (200 plus) collection of RCA videodisc movies. Titles
>>> include classic movies from the 70's, along with some from the 60's as
>>> well as early to mid-80's titles. Collection also includes a good
>>> selection of concert titles, mainly consisting of rock acts. A few of
>>> the rarer discs that come to mind is The Beatles "Let It Be" and "Back
>>> To The Future", which I believe was one of the last CED discs to be
>>> produced.
>>>
>>> This is a great chance to pickup a instant movie collection, no more
>>> late night trips to Blockbuster for awhile! Most of the titles are
>>> classics as a videophile helped me pick out the titles from a larger
>>> collection. I would be willing to sell the whole collection for $.50
>>> per disc. I am in the Portland, OR. metro area and can arrange
>>> shipping but local pickup would be prefered.
>>>
>>> Please contact me if interested.

>>> which I believe was one of the last CED discs to be
>>>produced.

>>There is a good reason for this; MUCH better technology in other systems
>>(laserdisc).

>The other reason was the RCA had a revolving door for the CEO's to
>go in and out. I forget the names now, but one comes in an junks
>the RCA VCR development and says 'buy a VHS system and have it on
>the market by Christmas'.

>Next CEO comes in and says VHS costs too much [they were about
>$700+ then] and pushes the CED.

>Next CEO comes in and junks the CED - right after CBS announced
>they were jumping on the CED bandwagon - which at that time had a
>larger catalog than laser.

>RCA was a truly screwed up company.

>"Much Better Technology" seldom wins in the consumer market place.

It did this time.
Anonymous
May 15, 2005 3:55:45 PM

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The LAST CED produced was Diseny's Pinochio, and RCA had to fire up a
pressing plant back into production for that one. In Indianapolis, I
believe. Also..the formats demise had more to do with Tax Breaks as opposed
to marketplace.

CED was the FIRST format to offer titles right after theatrical runs. War
Games and Octopussy hitting that format MONTHS before videotape. I was in
the business renting these and Laser and my customers thought I didn't order
those titles, and a couple of others, just to promote the format. At the
time I rented CED/Laser/Beta/VHS.
CED also had the first run of Letterboxed titles including Manhattan and
some Elliot Gould detective movie I can not recall the title of right now.

BTW..I have HUNDREDS of discs..many unopened as well as 2 of the SJT/SKT-400
players and the 4 interactive titles that went with them.

"AZ Nomad" <aznomad@PmunOgeBOX.com> wrote in message
news:slrnd8cv76.au5.aznomad@ip70-176-155-130.ph.ph.cox.net...
> On Sat, 14 May 2005 04:25:01 GMT, Bill Vermillion <bv@wjv.com> wrote:
>
>
>>In article <1186slmrnas6l27@corp.supernews.com>, _ <-@-.com> wrote:
>
>>>"Cartrivision1" <doidy1@juno.com> wrote in message
>>>news:1115891524.490844.70450@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>>> For sale: Large (200 plus) collection of RCA videodisc movies. Titles
>>>> include classic movies from the 70's, along with some from the 60's as
>>>> well as early to mid-80's titles. Collection also includes a good
>>>> selection of concert titles, mainly consisting of rock acts. A few of
>>>> the rarer discs that come to mind is The Beatles "Let It Be" and "Back
>>>> To The Future", which I believe was one of the last CED discs to be
>>>> produced.
>>>>
>>>> This is a great chance to pickup a instant movie collection, no more
>>>> late night trips to Blockbuster for awhile! Most of the titles are
>>>> classics as a videophile helped me pick out the titles from a larger
>>>> collection. I would be willing to sell the whole collection for $.50
>>>> per disc. I am in the Portland, OR. metro area and can arrange
>>>> shipping but local pickup would be prefered.
>>>>
>>>> Please contact me if interested.
>
>>>> which I believe was one of the last CED discs to be
>>>>produced.
>
>>>There is a good reason for this; MUCH better technology in other systems
>>>(laserdisc).
>
>>The other reason was the RCA had a revolving door for the CEO's to
>>go in and out. I forget the names now, but one comes in an junks
>>the RCA VCR development and says 'buy a VHS system and have it on
>>the market by Christmas'.
>
>>Next CEO comes in and says VHS costs too much [they were about
>>$700+ then] and pushes the CED.
>
>>Next CEO comes in and junks the CED - right after CBS announced
>>they were jumping on the CED bandwagon - which at that time had a
>>larger catalog than laser.
>
>>RCA was a truly screwed up company.
>
>>"Much Better Technology" seldom wins in the consumer market place.
>
> It did this time.
May 15, 2005 3:55:46 PM

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"NJM1" <vze34wdv@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> The LAST CED produced was Diseny's Pinochio, and RCA had to fire up a
> pressing plant back into production for that one. In Indianapolis, I
> believe. Also..the formats demise had more to do with Tax Breaks as
opposed
> to marketplace.

I did not know.


> CED was the FIRST format to offer titles right after theatrical runs. War
> Games and Octopussy hitting that format MONTHS before videotape. I was in
> the business renting these and Laser and my customers thought I didn't
order
> those titles, and a couple of others, just to promote the format. At the
> time I rented CED/Laser/Beta/VHS.

Yep, those were the days.


> BTW..I have HUNDREDS of discs..many unopened as well as 2 of the
SJT/SKT-400
> players and the 4 interactive titles that went with them.

WOW! Those aught to be worth about 25¢ each by now?
Anonymous
May 15, 2005 3:55:46 PM

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On Sun, 15 May 2005 11:55:45 +0000, NJM1 wrote:

> The LAST CED produced was Diseny's Pinochio, and RCA had to fire up a
> pressing plant back into production for that one. In Indianapolis, I
> believe. Also..the formats demise had more to do with Tax Breaks as opposed
> to marketplace.

And CED is essentially a pressed paper disk, specifically designed so that
it *will* wear out with repeated plays.

For once, superior technology won out in the marketplace.
Anonymous
May 16, 2005 4:26:02 PM

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>
> And CED is essentially a pressed paper disk, specifically designed so that
> it *will* wear out with repeated plays.
>
> For once, superior technology won out in the marketplace.
>
To the contrary, it was a highly specilaized vinyl to inhibit static
electricity. And the more you played the discs, the better they actually
looked. As the stylus worn down the special coating on the discs, it gave a
more accurate rendering of the pressing, as wel as make the notorious
"skips" go away.
Anonymous
May 21, 2005 9:45:01 AM

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In article <pan.2005.05.15.16.28.37.212993@spamblocked.com>,
Morely Dotes <morelydotes@spamblocked.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 15 May 2005 11:55:45 +0000, NJM1 wrote:
>
>> The LAST CED produced was Diseny's Pinochio, and RCA had to fire up a
>> pressing plant back into production for that one. In Indianapolis, I
>> believe. Also..the formats demise had more to do with Tax Breaks as opposed
>> to marketplace.

>And CED is essentially a pressed paper disk, specifically
>designed so that it *will* wear out with repeated plays.

Bull-pucky.

A CED is vinyl - and it was designed to be pressed in places
that could press LPs. However LP pressing plants were not clean
enough to make good CEDs. [I've been in them and with all the
carbon black used in the plastic some seem as dirty as a coal
mine].

As to wearing out, they were NOT like a phonograph. The grooves
were there to move the tangential tracking tone arm - a really
cheap way to avoid putting in tracking servos such as in the
VHD video disks. What wore out were the stylii. They rode in the
groove and tracked the capacitance below the groove.
Theoretically good for at least 1000 plays. But I've yet to see
anything I'd watch that much.

>For once, superior technology won out in the marketplace.

LD never reached a critical consumer mass - it just was loved by
all of us who collected great/rare films - and so many have yet to
make it to DVD. I own both CEDs and LDs.

Bill




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Anonymous
May 21, 2005 9:55:00 AM

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In article <5NGhe.1922$_f7.124@trndny01>, NJM1
<vze34wdv@verizon.net> wrote:

>The LAST CED produced was Diseny's Pinochio, and RCA had to
>fire up a pressing plant back into production for that one. In
>Indianapolis, I believe. Also..the formats demise had more to do
>with Tax Breaks as opposed to marketplace.

>CED was the FIRST format to offer titles right after theatrical
>runs. War Games and Octopussy hitting that format MONTHS before
>videotape. I was in the business renting these and Laser and
>my customers thought I didn't order those titles, and a couple
>of others, just to promote the format. At the time I rented
>CED/Laser/Beta/VHS. CED also had the first run of Letterboxed
>titles including Manhattan and some Elliot Gould detective movie
>I can not recall the title of right now.

>BTW..I have HUNDREDS of discs..many unopened as well as 2 of the
>SJT/SKT-400 players and the 4 interactive titles that went with
>them.

If RCA had released the 400 series at first instead of the abortive
model 100 and model 90 [with that stupid lever that kids were
breaking in the demo machines in stores] they might have had a much
better accpetance.

The direct drive turntable in the 400s made a much better looking
picture than the belt drive units in all that went before.

If you played the 400s next to the belt driven models you could
see the weave/motion in the cheaper models. But many people don't
notice the movement in pictures in home media. Seeing a VHS
through a TBC as compared to standard playback is surprising. You
just aren't used to seeing rock-steady pictures.

While the 400's weren't quite at that level, they were close.

Bill

--
Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com
May 21, 2005 8:17:41 PM

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In article <uj0ie.5119$_f7.1337@trndny01>,
"NJM1" <vze34wdv@verizon.net> wrote:

> >
> > And CED is essentially a pressed paper disk, specifically designed so that
> > it *will* wear out with repeated plays.
> >
> > For once, superior technology won out in the marketplace.
> >
> To the contrary, it was a highly specilaized vinyl to inhibit static
> electricity. And the more you played the discs, the better they actually
> looked. As the stylus worn down the special coating on the discs, it gave a
> more accurate rendering of the pressing, as wel as make the notorious
> "skips" go away.


Just curious: I sold LD in the "olden" days, but never played around
w/CED. What kind of picture/sound quality did it have compared to LD?

Thx!

-Doc
Anonymous
May 22, 2005 12:10:16 AM

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"Doc" <dochifi@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:FaJje.7544$tX5.1034@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com...
> In article <uj0ie.5119$_f7.1337@trndny01>,
> "NJM1" <vze34wdv@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> >
>> > And CED is essentially a pressed paper disk, specifically designed so
>> > that
>> > it *will* wear out with repeated plays.
>> >
>> > For once, superior technology won out in the marketplace.
>> >
>> To the contrary, it was a highly specilaized vinyl to inhibit static
>> electricity. And the more you played the discs, the better they actually
>> looked. As the stylus worn down the special coating on the discs, it gave
>> a
>> more accurate rendering of the pressing, as well as make the notorious
>> "skips" go away.
>
>
> Just curious: I sold LD in the "olden" days, but never played around
> w/CED. What kind of picture/sound quality did it have compared to LD?
>
> Thx!
>
> -Doc

A step up from VHS depending on the pressing. If y'all remember Video Review
magazine, they said the CED of Rumble Fish was superior to the LD. Of
course, Rumble Fish was later re-issued on LD digital audio and all that. It
was pretty much on par with Beta in terms of picture quality. Again,
depending on the care given tomastering and pressing. The audio used CX
noise reduction which you could hear "wroking" from time to time...kind of a
breathing effect on the audio.

GEEZ..I can't believe I remember all this stuff!!!
Anonymous
May 25, 2005 12:45:01 AM

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In article <FaJje.7544$tX5.1034@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>,
Doc <dochifi@hotmail.com> wrote:
>In article <uj0ie.5119$_f7.1337@trndny01>,
> "NJM1" <vze34wdv@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> >
>> > And CED is essentially a pressed paper disk, specifically designed so that
>> > it *will* wear out with repeated plays.
>> >
>> > For once, superior technology won out in the marketplace.
>> >
>> To the contrary, it was a highly specilaized vinyl to inhibit static
>> electricity. And the more you played the discs, the better they actually
>> looked. As the stylus worn down the special coating on the discs, it gave a
>> more accurate rendering of the pressing, as wel as make the notorious
>> "skips" go away.

>Just curious: I sold LD in the "olden" days, but never played around
>w/CED. What kind of picture/sound quality did it have compared to LD?

CED was better than VHS. Better than standard Beta, but on
pretty much even footing with SuperBeta based upon my viewing.
Not as good as SB-1 however - which had a full 6Mhz BW.

It had it's own visual 'eye-print'. Given three video sources,
Beta, VHS, CED and switching between them you could identify each
by it's visual signature.

Beta was fairly accurate. Color in VHS tended to look like pastel
painting - eg there were boundaries on the colors with jumps where
Beta was smooth. Almost like one of the chalk drawings.

CED had a slight vertical line going from upper right to lower left
at about 3-5 degrees from vertical. It was not like the vertical
black lines you would see occaisionally on some Beta Cams used
for ENG.

It was not as good as LD in bandwidth. My LDs seemed to be around
400-425 lines. I never had a test disk but it looked to me like
standard b'cast resolution - same at SuperBeta - just over 300
lines. Nothing except DVD ever came close to ED-Beta where I
could see the wedges on the 500 line circles of the standard test
charts that sort of faded away about half-way to the 550 line
resolution.

The only real difference I saw between ED-Beta and the first
[non-anamorphic DVDs] was the chroma noise in tape. That's
something you can never get rid of in analog media. Typical copy
always adds about 3db noise for each generation. It took a good
set and trained eyes to see the problem in ED [which used the same
tapes at SP Beta in the studios - but at 1/3 speed].

CED had films that were never on VHS or LD because exclusive
license arangements RCA made when they first introduced the format.
It looked like a strong consumer format and at that time RCA's name
was a bit shinnier than it became in later years - so that's why
the exclusive contracts. However it meant that many things would
not become availabe on VHS or LD until about 6 or 7 after the CED
system was dropped.

When CED was a viable format all the consumers benefitted as RCA
used $24.95 - and later $19.95 as the main title price. That mean
the LD prices dropped to about $5 more per title. As soon as
RCA stopped making the machines new LD titles went up almost
immediately by $5 to $20 title.

Competition always helps the consumer. Sometimes as the expense of
the vendor. The competition was so strong between the CED and the
LD that JVC decided NOT to introduce the VHD in the US, keepin it
only in Japan. It was a far better capacitance system than CED,
and use more electronics and didn't depend so much upon mechanical
devies, such as the mechanical servo emulaton and belt drive
turntrables as the CED units. Later CED players went to direct
drive turntables and the pictures looked much better on those
machines - the 400 series.

Bill

--
Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com
Anonymous
May 25, 2005 12:55:00 AM

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In article <IAMje.14940$_f7.11153@trndny01>, NJM1 <vze34wdv@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>"Doc" <dochifi@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:FaJje.7544$tX5.1034@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com...
>> In article <uj0ie.5119$_f7.1337@trndny01>,
>> "NJM1" <vze34wdv@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>> >
>>> > And CED is essentially a pressed paper disk, specifically designed so
>>> > that
>>> > it *will* wear out with repeated plays.
>>> >
>>> > For once, superior technology won out in the marketplace.
>>> >
>>> To the contrary, it was a highly specilaized vinyl to inhibit static
>>> electricity. And the more you played the discs, the better they actually
>>> looked. As the stylus worn down the special coating on the discs, it gave
>>> a
>>> more accurate rendering of the pressing, as well as make the notorious
>>> "skips" go away.
>>
>>
>> Just curious: I sold LD in the "olden" days, but never played around
>> w/CED. What kind of picture/sound quality did it have compared to LD?
>>
>> Thx!
>>
>> -Doc

>A step up from VHS depending on the pressing. If y'all remember
>Video Review magazine, they said the CED of Rumble Fish was
>superior to the LD. Of course, Rumble Fish was later re-issued
>on LD digital audio and all that. It was pretty much on par with
>Beta in terms of picture quality. Again, depending on the care
>given tomastering and pressing. The audio used CX noise reduction
>which you could hear "wroking" from time to time...kind of a
>breathing effect on the audio.

When I got Star Wars on CED I was blown away by how good it looked.
About this time the LD market was moving to the 1-hour per side
with their CLV, which proved to be a problem with herringbone
pattenrs as you could readily see on my best friends copy
of Blazing Saddles. CLV didn't last long [though the name was
kept] as the LD industry moved to CAA - constant angular
acceleration - which was basically banded CAV. That mean the only
chance for herrinbone was when they changed the speed for the next
band. It had the advantages of CLV for length without the
adjancent track interference. You can usually still frame the
first band on a CAA disk even on machines that don't have 'freeze
field' [often wrong called freeze frame except on such things
as the 8000s].

>GEEZ..I can't believe I remember all this stuff!!!

I know what you mean. Now if I could only remember what I did last
week!

Bill

--
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Anonymous
May 25, 2005 2:54:35 PM

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Actually, VHD was a victim of.....the cold!!!! Shipping was a problem
because the discs had a narrow temperature range before they became damaged.
So, shipping via boat or plane from Japan was out of the question. And by
the time they DID start to figure it out, Beta was dying and LD had become
the disc format of choice, not to mention MUSE hitting the Japan
marketplace.


"Bill Vermillion" <bv@wjv.com> wrote in message news:IH0HH5.1unt@wjv.com...
> In article <FaJje.7544$tX5.1034@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>,
> Doc <dochifi@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>In article <uj0ie.5119$_f7.1337@trndny01>,
>> "NJM1" <vze34wdv@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>> >
>>> > And CED is essentially a pressed paper disk, specifically designed so
>>> > that
>>> > it *will* wear out with repeated plays.
>>> >
>>> > For once, superior technology won out in the marketplace.
>>> >
>>> To the contrary, it was a highly specilaized vinyl to inhibit static
>>> electricity. And the more you played the discs, the better they actually
>>> looked. As the stylus worn down the special coating on the discs, it
>>> gave a
>>> more accurate rendering of the pressing, as wel as make the notorious
>>> "skips" go away.
>
>>Just curious: I sold LD in the "olden" days, but never played around
>>w/CED. What kind of picture/sound quality did it have compared to LD?
>
> CED was better than VHS. Better than standard Beta, but on
> pretty much even footing with SuperBeta based upon my viewing.
> Not as good as SB-1 however - which had a full 6Mhz BW.
>
> It had it's own visual 'eye-print'. Given three video sources,
> Beta, VHS, CED and switching between them you could identify each
> by it's visual signature.
>
> Beta was fairly accurate. Color in VHS tended to look like pastel
> painting - eg there were boundaries on the colors with jumps where
> Beta was smooth. Almost like one of the chalk drawings.
>
> CED had a slight vertical line going from upper right to lower left
> at about 3-5 degrees from vertical. It was not like the vertical
> black lines you would see occaisionally on some Beta Cams used
> for ENG.
>
> It was not as good as LD in bandwidth. My LDs seemed to be around
> 400-425 lines. I never had a test disk but it looked to me like
> standard b'cast resolution - same at SuperBeta - just over 300
> lines. Nothing except DVD ever came close to ED-Beta where I
> could see the wedges on the 500 line circles of the standard test
> charts that sort of faded away about half-way to the 550 line
> resolution.
>
> The only real difference I saw between ED-Beta and the first
> [non-anamorphic DVDs] was the chroma noise in tape. That's
> something you can never get rid of in analog media. Typical copy
> always adds about 3db noise for each generation. It took a good
> set and trained eyes to see the problem in ED [which used the same
> tapes at SP Beta in the studios - but at 1/3 speed].
>
> CED had films that were never on VHS or LD because exclusive
> license arangements RCA made when they first introduced the format.
> It looked like a strong consumer format and at that time RCA's name
> was a bit shinnier than it became in later years - so that's why
> the exclusive contracts. However it meant that many things would
> not become availabe on VHS or LD until about 6 or 7 after the CED
> system was dropped.
>
> When CED was a viable format all the consumers benefitted as RCA
> used $24.95 - and later $19.95 as the main title price. That mean
> the LD prices dropped to about $5 more per title. As soon as
> RCA stopped making the machines new LD titles went up almost
> immediately by $5 to $20 title.
>
> Competition always helps the consumer. Sometimes as the expense of
> the vendor. The competition was so strong between the CED and the
> LD that JVC decided NOT to introduce the VHD in the US, keepin it
> only in Japan. It was a far better capacitance system than CED,
> and use more electronics and didn't depend so much upon mechanical
> devies, such as the mechanical servo emulaton and belt drive
> turntrables as the CED units. Later CED players went to direct
> drive turntables and the pictures looked much better on those
> machines - the 400 series.
>
> Bill
>
> --
> Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com
Anonymous
May 27, 2005 6:35:01 AM

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In article <LPYke.993$gk3.407@trndny07>, NJM1 <vze34wdv@verizon.net> wrote:
>Actually, VHD was a victim of.....the cold!!!! Shipping was a problem
>because the discs had a narrow temperature range before they became damaged.
>So, shipping via boat or plane from Japan was out of the question. And by
>the time they DID start to figure it out, Beta was dying and LD had become
>the disc format of choice, not to mention MUSE hitting the Japan
>marketplace.


That's interesting information. I saw the VHD, an intresting quad
audio, and a digital cassette recorder using the standard cassette
size shell in a room JVC had at an AES show in NYC in the late
1970s [or thereabouts].

It was interesting technology. A frined of mine worked at the JVC
1/2 spped master lab in LA [designed to master the RCA quad LP
discs and converted to high-end audio, and I remember him telling
me that JVC had tons of money in VHD and it almost had to succeed
if JVC was to survive.

And Beta died in the US but stayed quite large in other countries.
When there were almost no Beta blanks in local stores all you had
to was visit Sea World or Disney, and there were Beta blanks
everywhere as most of the SA tourists were using Beta Camcorders.
Very few VHS from the SA tourists.

LD was the format of choice for collectors/film-buffs, while the
media selection for CED was more equivalent of the VHS tape
librarys. When LD had about 400 titles in it's category one store
here had at least twice that many on display on their shelves, with
titles running down one wall and around the end of the room, and
many bays standing alone with hundreds of titles.

I do miss the great collectors selections we used to see on LD and
only now are we starting to see some on DVD.

Bill
>
>"Bill Vermillion" <bv@wjv.com> wrote in message news:IH0HH5.1unt@wjv.com...
>> In article <FaJje.7544$tX5.1034@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>,
>> Doc <dochifi@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>In article <uj0ie.5119$_f7.1337@trndny01>,
>>> "NJM1" <vze34wdv@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> >
>>>> > And CED is essentially a pressed paper disk, specifically designed so
>>>> > that
>>>> > it *will* wear out with repeated plays.
>>>> >
>>>> > For once, superior technology won out in the marketplace.
>>>> >
>>>> To the contrary, it was a highly specilaized vinyl to inhibit static
>>>> electricity. And the more you played the discs, the better they actually
>>>> looked. As the stylus worn down the special coating on the discs, it
>>>> gave a
>>>> more accurate rendering of the pressing, as wel as make the notorious
>>>> "skips" go away.
>>
>>>Just curious: I sold LD in the "olden" days, but never played around
>>>w/CED. What kind of picture/sound quality did it have compared to LD?
>>
>> CED was better than VHS. Better than standard Beta, but on
>> pretty much even footing with SuperBeta based upon my viewing.
>> Not as good as SB-1 however - which had a full 6Mhz BW.
>>
>> It had it's own visual 'eye-print'. Given three video sources,
>> Beta, VHS, CED and switching between them you could identify each
>> by it's visual signature.
>>
>> Beta was fairly accurate. Color in VHS tended to look like pastel
>> painting - eg there were boundaries on the colors with jumps where
>> Beta was smooth. Almost like one of the chalk drawings.
>>
>> CED had a slight vertical line going from upper right to lower left
>> at about 3-5 degrees from vertical. It was not like the vertical
>> black lines you would see occaisionally on some Beta Cams used
>> for ENG.
>>
>> It was not as good as LD in bandwidth. My LDs seemed to be around
>> 400-425 lines. I never had a test disk but it looked to me like
>> standard b'cast resolution - same at SuperBeta - just over 300
>> lines. Nothing except DVD ever came close to ED-Beta where I
>> could see the wedges on the 500 line circles of the standard test
>> charts that sort of faded away about half-way to the 550 line
>> resolution.
>>
>> The only real difference I saw between ED-Beta and the first
>> [non-anamorphic DVDs] was the chroma noise in tape. That's
>> something you can never get rid of in analog media. Typical copy
>> always adds about 3db noise for each generation. It took a good
>> set and trained eyes to see the problem in ED [which used the same
>> tapes at SP Beta in the studios - but at 1/3 speed].
>>
>> CED had films that were never on VHS or LD because exclusive
>> license arangements RCA made when they first introduced the format.
>> It looked like a strong consumer format and at that time RCA's name
>> was a bit shinnier than it became in later years - so that's why
>> the exclusive contracts. However it meant that many things would
>> not become availabe on VHS or LD until about 6 or 7 after the CED
>> system was dropped.
>>
>> When CED was a viable format all the consumers benefitted as RCA
>> used $24.95 - and later $19.95 as the main title price. That mean
>> the LD prices dropped to about $5 more per title. As soon as
>> RCA stopped making the machines new LD titles went up almost
>> immediately by $5 to $20 title.
>>
>> Competition always helps the consumer. Sometimes as the expense of
>> the vendor. The competition was so strong between the CED and the
>> LD that JVC decided NOT to introduce the VHD in the US, keepin it
>> only in Japan. It was a far better capacitance system than CED,
>> and use more electronics and didn't depend so much upon mechanical
>> devies, such as the mechanical servo emulaton and belt drive
>> turntrables as the CED units. Later CED players went to direct
>> drive turntables and the pictures looked much better on those
>> machines - the 400 series.
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> --
>> Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com
>
>


--
Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com
Anonymous
May 27, 2005 9:54:43 PM

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"Bill Vermillion" <bv@wjv.com> wrote in message news:IH4Mws.98M@wjv.com...

> I do miss the great collectors selections we used to see on LD and
> only now are we starting to see some on DVD.

Despite what the vendors call those DVDs,
I wouldn't consider something with
a guaranteed limited life and
which could cease to function at any moment,
a "collectors edition".
Anonymous
May 27, 2005 10:37:31 PM

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In article <IH0HoM.1us7@wjv.com>, bv@wjv.com (Bill Vermillion) wrote:

> In article <IAMje.14940$_f7.11153@trndny01>, NJM1 <vze34wdv@verizon.net>
> wrote:
> >
> >"Doc" <dochifi@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:FaJje.7544$tX5.1034@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com...
> >> In article <uj0ie.5119$_f7.1337@trndny01>,
> >> "NJM1" <vze34wdv@verizon.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> >
> >>> > And CED is essentially a pressed paper disk, specifically designed so
> >>> > that
> >>> > it *will* wear out with repeated plays.
> >>> >
> >>> > For once, superior technology won out in the marketplace.
> >>> >
> >>> To the contrary, it was a highly specilaized vinyl to inhibit static
> >>> electricity. And the more you played the discs, the better they actually
> >>> looked. As the stylus worn down the special coating on the discs, it gave
> >>> a
> >>> more accurate rendering of the pressing, as well as make the notorious
> >>> "skips" go away.
> >>
> >>
> >> Just curious: I sold LD in the "olden" days, but never played around
> >> w/CED. What kind of picture/sound quality did it have compared to LD?
> >>
> >> Thx!
> >>
> >> -Doc
>
> >A step up from VHS depending on the pressing. If y'all remember
> >Video Review magazine, they said the CED of Rumble Fish was
> >superior to the LD. Of course, Rumble Fish was later re-issued
> >on LD digital audio and all that. It was pretty much on par with
> >Beta in terms of picture quality. Again, depending on the care
> >given tomastering and pressing. The audio used CX noise reduction
> >which you could hear "wroking" from time to time...kind of a
> >breathing effect on the audio.
>
> When I got Star Wars on CED I was blown away by how good it looked.
> About this time the LD market was moving to the 1-hour per side
> with their CLV, which proved to be a problem with herringbone
> pattenrs as you could readily see on my best friends copy
> of Blazing Saddles. CLV didn't last long [though the name was
> kept] as the LD industry moved to CAA - constant angular
> acceleration - which was basically banded CAV. That mean the only
> chance for herrinbone was when they changed the speed for the next
> band. It had the advantages of CLV for length without the
> adjancent track interference. You can usually still frame the
> first band on a CAA disk even on machines that don't have 'freeze
> field' [often wrong called freeze frame except on such things
> as the 8000s].
>
> >GEEZ..I can't believe I remember all this stuff!!!
>
> I know what you mean. Now if I could only remember what I did last
> week!
>
> Bill

I have thoroughly enjoyed this thread (don't think i'll be running out
and buying a CED machine, though). I told my wife it is nice to know
there are others out their with more electronics trivia in their heads
than I. So thanks, gang!

-Doc