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August 17, 2014 2:46:06 PM

Hi guys,

Basically, I have heard from different sources that i7 stock coolers are crap, and will just cause me problems further down the road.

But the thing is considering that I DON'T WANT TO OVERCLOCK, and just use it as intended by Intel, and do gaming, video editing, photoshopping, maybe animation etc etc.

So yeah basically, is the life of my i7 4790k limited by my cooler considering I don't want to overclock????

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August 17, 2014 2:51:17 PM

no the lifespan will not get deteriorated if u use it on stock cooler if u dont OC then get the i7 4790 and not the k this way u will save some money.....if u use the cpu at 70c or 75 c for a long amount of time that is going to deteriorate the life and oc if properly done doesn't affect the lifespan so proper cooling for proper oc is required heavy oc requires a liquid cooler and mild to moderate oc requires a air cooler .....
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August 17, 2014 3:02:34 PM

Martino1994 said:
Hi guys,

Basically, I have heard from different sources that i7 stock coolers are crap, and will just cause me problems further down the road.

But the thing is considering that I DON'T WANT TO OVERCLOCK, and just use it as intended by Intel, and do gaming, video editing, photoshopping, maybe animation etc etc.

So yeah basically, is the life of my i7 4790k limited by my cooler considering I don't want to overclock????


That cpu will long be useless before its dead. I still use pc's from the 1980's.
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August 17, 2014 4:27:04 PM

prit87 said:
no the lifespan will not get deteriorated if u use it on stock cooler if u dont OC then get the i7 4790 and not the k this way u will save some money.....if u use the cpu at 70c or 75 c for a long amount of time that is going to deteriorate the life and oc if properly done doesn't affect the lifespan so proper cooling for proper oc is required heavy oc requires a liquid cooler and mild to moderate oc requires a air cooler .....


so your saying that I'm good for life as long as i don't overclock? yes?
and thanks for the recommendation but I like to say I have 4Ghz LOL
August 17, 2014 4:27:35 PM

bmacsys said:
Martino1994 said:
Hi guys,

Basically, I have heard from different sources that i7 stock coolers are crap, and will just cause me problems further down the road.

But the thing is considering that I DON'T WANT TO OVERCLOCK, and just use it as intended by Intel, and do gaming, video editing, photoshopping, maybe animation etc etc.

So yeah basically, is the life of my i7 4790k limited by my cooler considering I don't want to overclock????


That cpu will long be useless before its dead. I still use pc's from the 1980's.


?

August 17, 2014 4:28:54 PM

prit87 said:
no the lifespan will not get deteriorated if u use it on stock cooler if u dont OC then get the i7 4790 and not the k this way u will save some money.....if u use the cpu at 70c or 75 c for a long amount of time that is going to deteriorate the life and oc if properly done doesn't affect the lifespan so proper cooling for proper oc is required heavy oc requires a liquid cooler and mild to moderate oc requires a air cooler .....



And I will be gaming at 1080p along with video editing etc etc so quite heavy processes
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August 18, 2014 2:09:40 AM

its better u buy a coolermaster hyper 212 evo its cheap 30$ and it will keep your processor cool at heavy load.......
August 18, 2014 7:12:42 AM

prit87 said:
its better u buy a coolermaster hyper 212 evo its cheap 30$ and it will keep your processor cool at heavy load.......


yh lol but thats not an option at the moment lol perhaps in the future lol and its massive lol but what I'm saying is will the stock cooler be good at load lol and keep it cool for the foreseeable future

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August 18, 2014 10:30:58 AM

i have i5 3450 with the stock cooler and my temperature are perfectly normal at idle and at load while i am gaming, so if u are not going to oc then stock cooler will just do fine....
August 18, 2014 12:14:59 PM

prit87 said:
i have i5 3450 with the stock cooler and my temperature are perfectly normal at idle and at load while i am gaming, so if u are not going to oc then stock cooler will just do fine....



Thats cool but thats i5 they are different to i7 surely? i mean i have a 4440s i5 and its fine lol


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August 18, 2014 12:20:19 PM

nothing to worry about yes the stock cooler are not good enough but if u dont oc then its capable to handle the heat use the stock cooler for a month then get a cm hyper 212 evo for 24 $ .....and yes the i7 is hotter than i5 but by few degrees...
August 18, 2014 4:44:26 PM

prit87 said:
nothing to worry about yes the stock cooler are not good enough but if u dont oc then its capable to handle the heat use the stock cooler for a month then get a cm hyper 212 evo for 24 $ .....and yes the i7 is hotter than i5 but by few degrees...


Awesome haha thanks dude lol i shall investigate coolers etc, is that cooler big like will it fit in a generic atx case? And it needs to be avaliable in the UK and could I have a link pls thanks agian haha
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August 19, 2014 2:28:15 AM

If you do not intend to OC that chip at all then the stock cooler will be absolutely fine. These things are stress tested and without the additional heat of overclocking, you will not notice any high temperatures at all.

Theoretically, if the processor was on full load 24/7, a better cooler might extend the life. However considering that the life of the processor could last for decades, being able to measure the benefit with a given margin for error would be near impossible.

Honestly, without overclocking the stock cooler will cope with anything you throw at the chip for years.
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August 19, 2014 2:51:06 AM

prit87 said:
no the lifespan will not get deteriorated if u use it on stock cooler if u dont OC then get the i7 4790 and not the k this way u will save some money.....if u use the cpu at 70c or 75 c for a long amount of time that is going to deteriorate the life and oc if properly done doesn't affect the lifespan so proper cooling for proper oc is required heavy oc requires a liquid cooler and mild to moderate oc requires a air cooler .....


If he is not going to overclock he should at least want the fastest of the two CPUs the i7-4790 is base clocked to 3.6ghz, while the i7-4790K is base clocked to 4.0ghz, this is not an apples to apples comparison, in this case going with the K is much better with a 400mhz higher base clock out of the gate.

August 19, 2014 5:49:10 AM

4Ryan6 said:
prit87 said:
no the lifespan will not get deteriorated if u use it on stock cooler if u dont OC then get the i7 4790 and not the k this way u will save some money.....if u use the cpu at 70c or 75 c for a long amount of time that is going to deteriorate the life and oc if properly done doesn't affect the lifespan so proper cooling for proper oc is required heavy oc requires a liquid cooler and mild to moderate oc requires a air cooler .....


If he is not going to overclock he should at least want the fastest of the two CPUs the i7-4790 is base clocked to 3.6ghz, while the i7-4790K is base clocked to 4.0ghz, this is not an apples to apples comparison, in this case going with the K is much better with a 400mhz higher base clock out of the gate.



PRECISELY, LOL thanks ryan hahah I want the 4Ghz without overclocking lol haha cheers

August 19, 2014 5:50:42 AM

Montblanchill said:
If you do not intend to OC that chip at all then the stock cooler will be absolutely fine. These things are stress tested and without the additional heat of overclocking, you will not notice any high temperatures at all.

Theoretically, if the processor was on full load 24/7, a better cooler might extend the life. However considering that the life of the processor could last for decades, being able to measure the benefit with a given margin for error would be near impossible.

Honestly, without overclocking the stock cooler will cope with anything you throw at the chip for years.


Ahh right ok so ur saying im fine then as long as i dont overclock lol cos people have been saying that it heats so what do u think like should it last?
August 19, 2014 5:53:46 AM

Montblanchill said:
If you do not intend to OC that chip at all then the stock cooler will be absolutely fine. These things are stress tested and without the additional heat of overclocking, you will not notice any high temperatures at all.

Theoretically, if the processor was on full load 24/7, a better cooler might extend the life. However considering that the life of the processor could last for decades, being able to measure the benefit with a given margin for error would be near impossible.

Honestly, without overclocking the stock cooler will cope with anything you throw at the chip for years.



Ok so im all good then haha ? i mean i will be using turbo boost here lol
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August 19, 2014 8:19:01 AM

I would upgrade the cooler anyway just to avoid any thermal throttling when ambient temps are high, and to just have a quieter system.
August 19, 2014 2:26:51 PM

RobCrezz said:
I would upgrade the cooler anyway just to avoid any thermal throttling when ambient temps are high, and to just have a quieter system.


i might the future lol
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August 19, 2014 2:41:52 PM

Martino1994 said:
bmacsys said:
Martino1994 said:
Hi guys,

Basically, I have heard from different sources that i7 stock coolers are crap, and will just cause me problems further down the road.

But the thing is considering that I DON'T WANT TO OVERCLOCK, and just use it as intended by Intel, and do gaming, video editing, photoshopping, maybe animation etc etc.

So yeah basically, is the life of my i7 4790k limited by my cooler considering I don't want to overclock????


That cpu will long be useless before its dead. I still use pc's from the 1980's.


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It means that cpu will still be functional long after it is completely obsolete. I thought my post was pretty straightforward in explaining this.
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August 19, 2014 2:43:40 PM

RobCrezz said:
I would upgrade the cooler anyway just to avoid any thermal throttling when ambient temps are high, and to just have a quieter system.


Overheating voltage regulator modules cause a cpu to throttle via the motherboard. If the processor itself gets too hot it shuts down completely. The two are totally unrelated.
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August 20, 2014 1:23:16 AM

bmacsys said:
RobCrezz said:
I would upgrade the cooler anyway just to avoid any thermal throttling when ambient temps are high, and to just have a quieter system.


Overheating voltage regulator modules cause a cpu to throttle via the motherboard. If the processor itself gets too hot it shuts down completely. The two are totally unrelated.


I think you will find that the voltage regulator modules are on the CPU on haswell chips, so the two are most certainly related.

Also, Intel CPUs do throttle speed based on CPU temperature, I have seen it many times, its widely documented if you look it up.
August 21, 2014 3:09:53 PM

bmacsys said:
Martino1994 said:
bmacsys said:
Martino1994 said:
Hi guys,

Basically, I have heard from different sources that i7 stock coolers are crap, and will just cause me problems further down the road.

But the thing is considering that I DON'T WANT TO OVERCLOCK, and just use it as intended by Intel, and do gaming, video editing, photoshopping, maybe animation etc etc.

So yeah basically, is the life of my i7 4790k limited by my cooler considering I don't want to overclock????


That cpu will long be useless before its dead. I still use pc's from the 1980's.


?



It means that cpu will still be functional long after it is completely obsolete. I thought my post was pretty straightforward in explaining this.


Yes apologies about that but I didnt get what you were saying lol haha
August 21, 2014 3:12:33 PM

RobCrezz said:
bmacsys said:
RobCrezz said:
I would upgrade the cooler anyway just to avoid any thermal throttling when ambient temps are high, and to just have a quieter system.


Overheating voltage regulator modules cause a cpu to throttle via the motherboard. If the processor itself gets too hot it shuts down completely. The two are totally unrelated.


I think you will find that the voltage regulator modules are on the CPU on haswell chips, so the two are most certainly related.

Also, Intel CPUs do throttle speed based on CPU temperature, I have seen it many times, its widely documented if you look it up.


True, it has to make a judgement on tempurature and power avaliabity lol i mean my i5 is on turbo boost lol but its not reaching the 3.5Ghz top turbo boost haha only 3.2 haha

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August 22, 2014 1:29:58 AM

Martino1994 said:
RobCrezz said:
bmacsys said:
RobCrezz said:
I would upgrade the cooler anyway just to avoid any thermal throttling when ambient temps are high, and to just have a quieter system.


Overheating voltage regulator modules cause a cpu to throttle via the motherboard. If the processor itself gets too hot it shuts down completely. The two are totally unrelated.


I think you will find that the voltage regulator modules are on the CPU on haswell chips, so the two are most certainly related.

Also, Intel CPUs do throttle speed based on CPU temperature, I have seen it many times, its widely documented if you look it up.


True, it has to make a judgement on tempurature and power avaliabity lol i mean my i5 is on turbo boost lol but its not reaching the 3.5Ghz top turbo boost haha only 3.2 haha



I believe he must have been thinking of AMD cpus...
August 24, 2014 1:01:29 PM

RobCrezz said:
Martino1994 said:
RobCrezz said:
bmacsys said:
RobCrezz said:
I would upgrade the cooler anyway just to avoid any thermal throttling when ambient temps are high, and to just have a quieter system.


Overheating voltage regulator modules cause a cpu to throttle via the motherboard. If the processor itself gets too hot it shuts down completely. The two are totally unrelated.


I think you will find that the voltage regulator modules are on the CPU on haswell chips, so the two are most certainly related.

Also, Intel CPUs do throttle speed based on CPU temperature, I have seen it many times, its widely documented if you look it up.


True, it has to make a judgement on tempurature and power avaliabity lol i mean my i5 is on turbo boost lol but its not reaching the 3.5Ghz top turbo boost haha only 3.2 haha



I believe he must have been thinking of AMD cpus...


who?
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August 26, 2014 1:10:27 AM

Martino1994 said:
RobCrezz said:
Martino1994 said:
RobCrezz said:
bmacsys said:
RobCrezz said:
I would upgrade the cooler anyway just to avoid any thermal throttling when ambient temps are high, and to just have a quieter system.


Overheating voltage regulator modules cause a cpu to throttle via the motherboard. If the processor itself gets too hot it shuts down completely. The two are totally unrelated.


I think you will find that the voltage regulator modules are on the CPU on haswell chips, so the two are most certainly related.

Also, Intel CPUs do throttle speed based on CPU temperature, I have seen it many times, its widely documented if you look it up.


True, it has to make a judgement on tempurature and power avaliabity lol i mean my i5 is on turbo boost lol but its not reaching the 3.5Ghz top turbo boost haha only 3.2 haha



I believe he must have been thinking of AMD cpus...


who?


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August 31, 2014 11:35:29 PM

Martino1994 said:
Hi guys,

Basically, I have heard from different sources that i7 stock coolers are crap, and will just cause me problems further down the road.

But the thing is considering that I DON'T WANT TO OVERCLOCK, and just use it as intended by Intel, and do gaming, video editing, photoshopping, maybe animation etc etc.

So yeah basically, is the life of my i7 4790k limited by my cooler considering I don't want to overclock????


Anyone who says a stock cpu cooler is crap is not totally correct. IF you do not stress your cpu at At All then they maybe possibly somewhat adequate. Maybe. When compared to what the Aftermarket coolers offer they are insufficient. Especially when compared with just about any aftermarket cooler. In all reviews I have seen since 2009 they are dead last in high temps even when the cpu is not oc'd, but under a load. If your Gaming, streaming, stressing your cpu. it gets hotter. And under a load the stock cooler, Intel or Amd did not cut the mustard. You want any cpu to run as reasonably cool as possible. That is a course of wisdom. You don't need the best, But it is real easy and cheap to do better than your basic so-so. Ho-hum stock cooler. Just my take. Remember you are probably going to load that processor up a little even if you do not OC. remember " You must Choose, But choose WISELY".

P.S. your Tcase temp is what you should watch if you go stock. Yours is 72.72 Degrees Celsius. You do not want to run your cpu to close to that temp or above it . That can shorten cpu life. Remember the makers of cpu coolers are not going to give you a world class cooler. They are out to Make Money.


September 1, 2014 12:27:28 AM

Martino1994 said:
So yeah basically, is the life of my i7 4790k limited by my cooler considering I don't want to overclock????


here i would quote/ establish the fact that the TDP of said model is 73 deg C.

I would say both case, if, Ambient temperature > 22 Deg C with < three or more 120-140 mm fans@ case - there is potential threat hence you would need an aftermarket cooler. = understanding your usage requirement - go for liquid cooling.

if, Ambient temperature < 16-18 Deg C with three or more 120-140 mm fans@ case - then you may avoid external cooler PROVIDED you limit your continuous usage below 3 hours at a go - after that duration of rigorous usage any machine w/o appropriate aftermarket cooler with heat significantly(90-120 being most common).

Afterall its only semi conductors on PCB irrespecitve of what ALLOY/ Superalloy heat sink they use ti dissipate heat.

On liner advice - Use an after market cooler - and a trusted one ....

Regards, Manish



September 4, 2014 6:43:17 AM

Manish Tewari said:
Martino1994 said:
So yeah basically, is the life of my i7 4790k limited by my cooler considering I don't want to overclock????


here i would quote/ establish the fact that the TDP of said model is 73 deg C.

I would say both case, if, Ambient temperature > 22 Deg C with < three or more 120-140 mm fans@ case - there is potential threat hence you would need an aftermarket cooler. = understanding your usage requirement - go for liquid cooling.

if, Ambient temperature < 16-18 Deg C with three or more 120-140 mm fans@ case - then you may avoid external cooler PROVIDED you limit your continuous usage below 3 hours at a go - after that duration of rigorous usage any machine w/o appropriate aftermarket cooler with heat significantly(90-120 being most common).

Afterall its only semi conductors on PCB irrespecitve of what ALLOY/ Superalloy heat sink they use ti dissipate heat.

On liner advice - Use an after market cooler - and a trusted one ....

Regards, Manish





thanks for your response, :)  and I will take into account what you have said but there is a lot of coolling fans in the case it will be going in already and good ones at that so should that be sufficient and are there any CHEAP coolers you can recommend that are fairly low profile.

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September 6, 2014 6:20:04 PM

Martino1994 said:
Manish Tewari said:
Martino1994 said:
So yeah basically, is the life of my i7 4790k limited by my cooler considering I don't want to overclock????


here i would quote/ establish the fact that the TDP of said model is 73 deg C.

I would say both case, if, Ambient temperature > 22 Deg C with < three or more 120-140 mm fans@ case - there is potential threat hence you would need an aftermarket cooler. = understanding your usage requirement - go for liquid cooling.

if, Ambient temperature < 16-18 Deg C with three or more 120-140 mm fans@ case - then you may avoid external cooler PROVIDED you limit your continuous usage below 3 hours at a go - after that duration of rigorous usage any machine w/o appropriate aftermarket cooler with heat significantly(90-120 being most common).

Afterall its only semi conductors on PCB irrespecitve of what ALLOY/ Superalloy heat sink they use ti dissipate heat.

On liner advice - Use an after market cooler - and a trusted one ....

Regards, Manish





thanks for your response, :)  and I will take into account what you have said but there is a lot of coolling fans in the case it will be going in already and good ones at that so should that be sufficient and are there any CHEAP coolers you can recommend that are fairly low profile.


Get a cooler that will more than do the job. Rememeber you already said you want to do video editing etc. You plan to do things that will stress your cpu. Your cpu will run @ 4.0 Ghz, turbo to 4,4. Your already in OC territory. A low profile will probably not cut the mustard, so to speak. Tell us what case you have. I did not see it listed. I am sure there will be recommendations.

September 17, 2014 5:32:26 AM

jaimelmiel said:
Martino1994 said:
Manish Tewari said:
13979594,0,1699819 said:
So yeah basically, is the life of my i7 4790k limited by my cooler considering I don't want to overclock????
said:


here i would quote/ establish the fact that the TDP of said model is 73 deg C.

I would say both case, if, Ambient temperature > 22 Deg C with < three or more 120-140 mm fans@ case - there is potential threat hence you would need an aftermarket cooler. = understanding your usage requirement - go for liquid cooling.

if, Ambient temperature < 16-18 Deg C with three or more 120-140 mm fans@ case - then you may avoid external cooler PROVIDED you limit your continuous usage below 3 hours at a go - after that duration of rigorous usage any machine w/o appropriate aftermarket cooler with heat significantly(90-120 being most common).

Afterall its only semi conductors on PCB irrespecitve of what ALLOY/ Superalloy heat sink they use ti dissipate heat.

On liner advice - Use an after market cooler - and a trusted one ....

Regards, Manish



said:


thanks for your response, :)  and I will take into account what you have said but there is a lot of coolling fans in the case it will be going in already and good ones at that so should that be sufficient and are there any CHEAP coolers you can recommend that are fairly low profile.

said:

Get a cooler that will more than do the job. Rememeber you already said you want to do video editing etc. You plan to do things that will stress your cpu. Your cpu will run @ 4.0 Ghz, turbo to 4,4. Your already in OC territory. A low profile will probably not cut the mustard, so to speak. Tell us what case you have. I did not see it listed. I am sure there will be recommendations.

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Fair enough!

The case I have is the following..

http://www.ebuyer.com/501604-cit-vantage-type-r-midi-me...
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September 17, 2014 11:13:49 AM

What is the case width? Please.
September 17, 2014 11:17:38 AM

Also, what is cheap to you?
September 23, 2014 5:51:53 AM

Martino1994 said:
Hi guys,

Basically, I have heard from different sources that i7 stock coolers are crap, and will just cause me problems further down the road.

But the thing is considering that I DON'T WANT TO OVERCLOCK, and just use it as intended by Intel, and do gaming, video editing, photoshopping, maybe animation etc etc.

So yeah basically, is the life of my i7 4790k limited by my cooler considering I don't want to overclock????


No the cpu lifetime is based of the stock cooler provided. Though not of great performance, the intel stock cooler offers cooling within tested error margins but thats just their numbers noted for optimal use.
Whatever the case it is good to get a good after market cooler with any CPU that u pay more than $150. Also any CPU that has a TDP more than 65 you can expect to have slight thermal deficiency with stock coolers.

Also only overclocking reducers the lifespan of part, and also increases risk of damage. not stock coolers or anything that is there from its origin source.

If u ddo not want to spend more than 20 recently CM upgraded their TX3 to TX 3 evo, it is well worth it now.
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September 23, 2014 3:05:39 PM

The tx 3 an tx3 are inferior heatsinks when it comes to @ Intel 4790K. the processor runs@ 4.0Ghz with turbo @ 4.4Ghz.
In reality when compare to other Intel quad core 17 and 15 you are already Overclocked. Heat is the enemy with processors. Many take that lightly. Be wise, cut down on heat as much as you can. Go with at least a Coolermaster
Hyper 212 EVO not a Tx3 or Tx3 evo. This I know from my own building experience. You, Must choose. Choose wisely.

September 24, 2014 11:55:39 AM

jaimelmiel said:
The tx 3 an tx3 are inferior heatsinks when it comes to @ Intel 4790K. the processor runs@ 4.0Ghz with turbo @ 4.4Ghz.
In reality when compare to other Intel quad core 17 and 15 you are already Overclocked. Heat is the enemy with processors. Many take that lightly. Be wise, cut down on heat as much as you can. Go with at least a Coolermaster
Hyper 212 EVO not a Tx3 or Tx3 evo. This I know from my own building experience. You, Must choose. Choose wisely.



The thing is I called intel about this and they said that I'm good for cooling with the intel cooler
September 24, 2014 12:10:45 PM

Martino1994 said:
jaimelmiel said:
The tx 3 an tx3 are inferior heatsinks when it comes to @ Intel 4790K. the processor runs@ 4.0Ghz with turbo @ 4.4Ghz.
In reality when compare to other Intel quad core 17 and 15 you are already Overclocked. Heat is the enemy with processors. Many take that lightly. Be wise, cut down on heat as much as you can. Go with at least a Coolermaster
Hyper 212 EVO not a Tx3 or Tx3 evo. This I know from my own building experience. You, Must choose. Choose wisely.



The thing is I called intel about this and they said that I'm good for cooling with the intel cooler


What do you expect them to say? "Oh yeah our product is inferior and we totally recommend that you, a person who we do not know the technical knowledge of, install your own heatsink purchased from a different company that is not us, so that they may profit and we can admit that we put inferior products on the market."

September 29, 2014 8:52:58 PM

Martino1994 said:
jaimelmiel said:
The tx 3 an tx3 are inferior heatsinks when it comes to @ Intel 4790K. the processor runs@ 4.0Ghz with turbo @ 4.4Ghz.
In reality when compare to other Intel quad core 17 and 15 you are already Overclocked. Heat is the enemy with processors. Many take that lightly. Be wise, cut down on heat as much as you can. Go with at least a Coolermaster
Hyper 212 EVO not a Tx3 or Tx3 evo. This I know from my own building experience. You, Must choose. Choose wisely.



The thing is I called intel about this and they said that I'm good for cooling with the intel cooler


Like i mentioned their coolers are designed for normal use under normal conditions. But no one buys and i7 to browse or youtube all day. You will inevitably game or watch HD movies. During that time CPU power is consumed at a higher rate than normal, depending on the load.

But as i said, it is better to get an aftermarket cooler because these are designed for high performance cooling and rated under high load. Go with an aftermarket cooler if u do not want to see 90c temps when u are playing.
October 7, 2014 2:54:06 AM


and thanks for the recommendation but I like to say I have 4Ghz LOL [/quotemsg]

same blood Bro :) 
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