Report: AMD CPU Price Drops Incoming; New FX-CPUs
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AMD might be dropping some of its CPU prices in a couple of weeks, which is unarguably a good thing.
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tridon
August 21, 2014 8:54:58 AM
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ssdpro
August 21, 2014 8:57:27 AM
What is so fiasco about piledriver? I run a Z87 w/4770K system and a 990FX w/8350 system - while the AMD system can't compare with the processing power of the Intel, it isn't a disgrace or anything. If anything I think the AMD system is a bit more predicable and stable at the expense of everything, excluding PCIe, being about 20 percent slower.
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Kieran Warren
August 21, 2014 9:02:16 AM
Sadly AMD are struggling to compete in the high end CPU market these days. This can cause huge problems. Without any competition Intel would be able to raise their prices without a large performance boost meaning we get worse value for money. However they seem to be competing just fine in the lower-mid range CPUs and provide great bang for buck in almost all graphics card ranges.
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icemunk
August 21, 2014 9:16:31 AM
AMD is dying a slow death.
The company keeps getting bailed out, but they just don't have the engineering and liquid assets to ensure their future.
Intel's squeezed them out of the high-end. Now Intel's efforts on mobile efficiency of the x86 CPU's is going to squeeze AMD out of the low end.
NVidia's got a lot of things going on as well to diversify.
I'd love AMD to do well however I'm not seeing a lot of hope for ten years down the road.
The company keeps getting bailed out, but they just don't have the engineering and liquid assets to ensure their future.
Intel's squeezed them out of the high-end. Now Intel's efforts on mobile efficiency of the x86 CPU's is going to squeeze AMD out of the low end.
NVidia's got a lot of things going on as well to diversify.
I'd love AMD to do well however I'm not seeing a lot of hope for ten years down the road.
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Seeing how Steamroller performs in their APUs, creating a 3/4 module Piledriver FX on at least 20 nm (too bad it is not possible now), would let AMD at least come back into the heavy Integer performance and post some nice numbers along with few watts reduced TPD. The 7800/7850K's CPU performance is almost on par with a low-end I3 and it trades blows and even slightly edging the FX4300, despite it being 100 MHz clocked higher and having 125W TPD for CPU only.
AMD has horrible floating point performance, so I am hoping they can at least bite the integer performance, sell some, gain some money, do some more R&D, get a new product out, so they can keep Intel prices from skyrocketing.
AMD has horrible floating point performance, so I am hoping they can at least bite the integer performance, sell some, gain some money, do some more R&D, get a new product out, so they can keep Intel prices from skyrocketing.
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childofthekorn
August 21, 2014 9:51:24 AM
silverblue
August 21, 2014 10:00:46 AM
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Chris Droste
August 21, 2014 11:02:23 AM
My question really is what's holding AMD back from the dedicated CPU updates? we know they have and have implimented and have next-gen Kaverni/Steamroller architecture, we know they can pare down to more efficient power consumption, is it just that they don't have the resources to push the fabrication down to 22nm? or are they just letting themselves stagnate until 14nm(16nm?) is feasible and skip a die shrink step? Even if they're not fighting i7s with their 8-series FX you'd think they'd still keep pushing out something in AM3+ guise to keep the money flowing. I haven't even heard of stepping improvements that you typically get with chips as they mature, usually giving people less power leakage/OC improvements. is there some sort of engineering powerstruggle arguing internally about how the Phenom2 architecture seemed to have better IPC or what? i mean, SERIOUSLY. no CPU releases = no new product = no new product interest = no new sales. the 8350's a fine chip and a great buy for $160 especially if you already have an older board...but most people on the AM3 platform probably already went to a 6350 or 8350 like LAST YEAR already. and those people aren't going to be shopping FM2 platforms anytime soon to replace their main rig. I know AMD isn't exactly cash-healthy but stagnation isn't going to help.
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August 21, 2014 12:48:34 PM
childofthekorn
August 21, 2014 12:54:25 PM
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My question really is what's holding AMD back from the dedicated CPU updates? we know they have and have implimented and have next-gen Kaverni/Steamroller architecture, we know they can pare down to more efficient power consumption, is it just that they don't have the resources to push the fabrication down to 22nm? or are they just letting themselves stagnate until 14nm(16nm?) is feasible and skip a die shrink step? Even if they're not fighting i7s with their 8-series FX you'd think they'd still keep pushing out something in AM3+ guise to keep the money flowing. I haven't even heard of stepping improvements that you typically get with chips as they mature, usually giving people less power leakage/OC improvements. is there some sort of engineering powerstruggle arguing internally about how the Phenom2 architecture seemed to have better IPC or what? i mean, SERIOUSLY. no CPU releases = no new product = no new product interest = no new sales. the 8350's a fine chip and a great buy for $160 especially if you already have an older board...but most people on the AM3 platform probably already went to a 6350 or 8350 like LAST YEAR already. and those people aren't going to be shopping FM2 platforms anytime soon to replace their main rig. I know AMD isn't exactly cash-healthy but stagnation isn't going to help. Even if you (and i for that matter) like the 8350, they aren't going to produce more bulldozer chips if they aren't selling. Rumors are that Steamroller am3+ next year at 20nm. I'd prefer they hold off until excavator personally and just focus on making the chip more efficient.
They're good for day to day use, but the thermal envelope being as high as it is, the inefficiency per clock and high IPC as well as large power draw keeps as many from being sold. Once they get this crap worked out they'll cmoe out wtih a new desktop processor thats competitive. Jim Keller (the engineer who helped AMD pull intels reigns with the release of Athlon x64) is back and working on something brand new, I'm looking forward to seeing if its a competitive option or not.
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The problem with Amd and Intel is their are too many cpu we don't need....
As an example : "The new CPUs in question are the FX-8370, FX-8370E and FX-8320E. base frequency of 4.1 GHz, with a Boost frequency of 4.3 GHz"
How much of a difference does .2 GHz really does (usually we see a bigger gap between the base and boost (at least .5 GHz)
While I think the real deal is mostly the wattage (95 and 125)
But bottom line, when I buy a cpu, I just want it to work efficiently.
As an example : "The new CPUs in question are the FX-8370, FX-8370E and FX-8320E. base frequency of 4.1 GHz, with a Boost frequency of 4.3 GHz"
How much of a difference does .2 GHz really does (usually we see a bigger gap between the base and boost (at least .5 GHz)
While I think the real deal is mostly the wattage (95 and 125)
But bottom line, when I buy a cpu, I just want it to work efficiently.
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salgado18
August 21, 2014 1:23:13 PM
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My question really is what's holding AMD back from the dedicated CPU updates? we know they have and have implimented and have next-gen Kaverni/Steamroller architecture, we know they can pare down to more efficient power consumption, is it just that they don't have the resources to push the fabrication down to 22nm? or are they just letting themselves stagnate until 14nm(16nm?) is feasible and skip a die shrink step? Even if they're not fighting i7s with their 8-series FX you'd think they'd still keep pushing out something in AM3+ guise to keep the money flowing. I haven't even heard of stepping improvements that you typically get with chips as they mature, usually giving people less power leakage/OC improvements. is there some sort of engineering powerstruggle arguing internally about how the Phenom2 architecture seemed to have better IPC or what? i mean, SERIOUSLY. no CPU releases = no new product = no new product interest = no new sales. the 8350's a fine chip and a great buy for $160 especially if you already have an older board...but most people on the AM3 platform probably already went to a 6350 or 8350 like LAST YEAR already. and those people aren't going to be shopping FM2 platforms anytime soon to replace their main rig. I know AMD isn't exactly cash-healthy but stagnation isn't going to help. I'm on a 8120, and loving it, but power consumption is too much for my taste, especially overclocking (constant 4 GHz keeps all games fluid), so I disabled half of it to have an FX 4100. I thought about getting an 8320 for the efficiency improvement, but that would be too little improvement to make the expense worth it.
But now there's an 8320 at 95W stock! That is tempting, and if money allows, I might buy one. Not many people will be interested in these new processors, but there's a market for them. Steamroller would be better, but we do with what we have.
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salgado18
August 21, 2014 1:25:36 PM
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If AMD sold true eight core CPUs (none of that confusing module/floating point stuff) that was manufactured with 22nm which would cost $180 minimum (FX 8520?) and $230 maximum (FX 8550/8570?) which had enough power per watt to rival Intel, they could really get going again.That's obvious, but they can't just put more floating point and halve the power because yes, can they?
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silverblue
August 21, 2014 1:28:08 PM
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If AMD sold true eight core CPUs (none of that confusing module/floating point stuff) that was manufactured with 22nm which would cost $180 minimum (FX 8520?) and $230 maximum (FX 8550/8570?) which had enough power per watt to rival Intel, they could really get going again.Such a CPU would bankrupt them at that price. A return to a more traditional core setup may make more sense but you'd be talking four cores at the most.
There are many problems with Piledriver, but on the whole it's nowhere near as bad as Bulldozer. Slow cache, modular power gating and a lack of floating point resources still don't change the fact that the architecture still generally improves upon Phenom II for the same amount of power - my PII X3 710 is rated at 95W for a triple-core 2.6GHz CPU whereas a 6300 is clocked nearly 1GHz higher, has double the cores and still uses less power. Intel just improved their power usage at a much faster rate (and AMD clocks its parts too highly to help them keep up, at the risk of increasing power consumption far too much).
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Chris Droste
August 21, 2014 1:48:10 PM
my HTPC is on an FX-4100 with an older AM3 board so if Asus releases a BIOS update to support it an 8370E seems like a pretty nice deal but at this stage I'm not particularly interested in upgrading it since it does it's job extremely well and isn't hurting to perform any of it's primary functions (driving a 58" 1080p 240Hz screen, netflix and hulu, light online gaming/MMO) so again, really...AMD needs something to build some press and excitement. do we know if one of their Radeon GPUs can be re-purposed into a CPU role and improve on their IPC? Sometimes it seems like a older Tahiti chip needs a CPU (amd OR intel) less than the CPU needs it.
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yay
August 21, 2014 4:00:03 PM
It must be nice to have a personal mint for r&d being Intel.
Don't get me wrong, they do a lot for open source and various other projects that don't directly make them money, but even open source is a massive value add for their main sources of income, they are a business.
They however didn't pay nearly what it was worth for cheating on the horrible p4 stage. When you take into account all the future sales they would cost AMD in the long term they basically paid nothing.
Don't get me wrong, they do a lot for open source and various other projects that don't directly make them money, but even open source is a massive value add for their main sources of income, they are a business.
They however didn't pay nearly what it was worth for cheating on the horrible p4 stage. When you take into account all the future sales they would cost AMD in the long term they basically paid nothing.
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masmotors
August 21, 2014 5:41:09 PM
doomtomb
August 21, 2014 8:05:23 PM
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Sadly AMD are struggling to compete in the high end CPU market these days. This can cause huge problems. Without any competition Intel would be able to raise their prices without a large performance boost meaning we get worse value for money.If I had $1 for every time I've seen or heard somebody say this for the past 9 years I'd be a millionaire.
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ickibar1234
August 22, 2014 12:54:42 AM
NeatOman
August 22, 2014 4:10:50 AM
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childofthekorn
August 22, 2014 8:42:15 AM
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My question really is what's holding AMD back from the dedicated CPU updates? we know they have and have implimented and have next-gen Kaverni/Steamroller architecture, we know they can pare down to more efficient power consumption, is it just that they don't have the resources to push the fabrication down to 22nm? or are they just letting themselves stagnate until 14nm(16nm?) is feasible and skip a die shrink step? Even if they're not fighting i7s with their 8-series FX you'd think they'd still keep pushing out something in AM3+ guise to keep the money flowing. I haven't even heard of stepping improvements that you typically get with chips as they mature, usually giving people less power leakage/OC improvements. is there some sort of engineering powerstruggle arguing internally about how the Phenom2 architecture seemed to have better IPC or what? i mean, SERIOUSLY. no CPU releases = no new product = no new product interest = no new sales. the 8350's a fine chip and a great buy for $160 especially if you already have an older board...but most people on the AM3 platform probably already went to a 6350 or 8350 like LAST YEAR already. and those people aren't going to be shopping FM2 platforms anytime soon to replace their main rig. I know AMD isn't exactly cash-healthy but stagnation isn't going to help. I'm on a 8120, and loving it, but power consumption is too much for my taste, especially overclocking (constant 4 GHz keeps all games fluid), so I disabled half of it to have an FX 4100. I thought about getting an 8320 for the efficiency improvement, but that would be too little improvement to make the expense worth it.
But now there's an 8320 at 95W stock! That is tempting, and if money allows, I might buy one. Not many people will be interested in these new processors, but there's a market for them. Steamroller would be better, but we do with what we have.
From what I'm seeing the Steamroller cores are working exactly the same, and in some benches worse, than Vishera. Waiting on Excavator.
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August 22, 2014 8:46:06 AM
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That 8370E looks very tempting. The 8350 already clocks up very well. Imagine the extra overclocking room with the lower TDP. This could be very interesting for enthusiasts. This. I was patiently waiting to see if I could be enticed to upgrade from my Phenom 980 (which, mind you, I really won't need to do for some time yet) to a 8350 *IF* the price was right (cue Bob Barker quote). I am really curious how they got the same clocks with its similarly priced counterpart, what it is capable of, and is it a sign their engineering team is finally going in the right direct and getting TDP under control?
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August 22, 2014 8:47:16 AM
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August 22, 2014 1:09:56 PM
Chris Droste
August 22, 2014 2:55:36 PM
vdraconus
August 22, 2014 4:55:02 PM
I was looking to upgrade from my 6300 to a 8350 but I may wait a bit now.
The question i really have from this is what is the REAL difference between the 8370 and the 8370E? Seems kind of strange that AMD would bother to release 2 versions of the same cpu at the same time, same price, with different TDP values. Normally that's something that happens over time, with a new cpu revision.
As it stands I now would chose the 8370E, though I am hoping that TH can get their hands on them and do a side by side.
The question i really have from this is what is the REAL difference between the 8370 and the 8370E? Seems kind of strange that AMD would bother to release 2 versions of the same cpu at the same time, same price, with different TDP values. Normally that's something that happens over time, with a new cpu revision.
As it stands I now would chose the 8370E, though I am hoping that TH can get their hands on them and do a side by side.
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vdraconus
August 23, 2014 1:12:08 AM
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maybe they just need to stop naming their chip architecture after things that dig holes, they're in quite the hole as it ismaybe something based on their percieved speed? like sprint, dragster...I'd totally buy an AMD "Plaid" chip xD
Skipping the "Ludicrous" chip and going "Plaid"... Sounds like a risky business decision.
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sr1030nx
August 23, 2014 1:54:50 AM
vdraconus said:
I was looking to upgrade from my 6300 to a 8350 but I may wait a bit now.The question i really have from this is what is the REAL difference between the 8370 and the 8370E? Seems kind of strange that AMD would bother to release 2 versions of the same cpu at the same time, same price, with different TDP values. Normally that's something that happens over time, with a new cpu revision.
As it stands I now would chose the 8370E, though I am hoping that TH can get their hands on them and do a side by side.
The difference is most likely that the 8370's couldn't meet the lower tdp of the 8370e.
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Chris Droste
August 25, 2014 11:10:26 AM
vdraconus said:
I was looking to upgrade from my 6300 to a 8350 but I may wait a bit now.The question i really have from this is what is the REAL difference between the 8370 and the 8370E? Seems kind of strange that AMD would bother to release 2 versions of the same cpu at the same time, same price, with different TDP values. Normally that's something that happens over time, with a new cpu revision.
As it stands I now would chose the 8370E, though I am hoping that TH can get their hands on them and do a side by side.
my guess is that the 8370e will not be a Black edition and the regular 8370 with the higher TDP will be unlocked. just a guess, though, because fitting that 95w TDP would be excellent for older boards
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vdraconus
August 25, 2014 12:10:18 PM
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vdraconus said:
I was looking to upgrade from my 6300 to a 8350 but I may wait a bit now.The question i really have from this is what is the REAL difference between the 8370 and the 8370E? Seems kind of strange that AMD would bother to release 2 versions of the same cpu at the same time, same price, with different TDP values. Normally that's something that happens over time, with a new cpu revision.
As it stands I now would chose the 8370E, though I am hoping that TH can get their hands on them and do a side by side.
my guess is that the 8370e will not be a Black edition and the regular 8370 with the higher TDP will be unlocked. just a guess, though, because fitting that 95w TDP would be excellent for older boards
No... I think AMD said when FX was announced that they were all unlocked. Having one version that is locked would certainly make no sense.
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Chris Droste
August 25, 2014 5:50:47 PM
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