GTX 980, no longer GTX 880 discussion thread
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So the rumor mill is heating up. I know most people are expecting the GTX 880 in September, but according to the latest, Nvidia will skip the 800 moniker and go straight to the GTX 980 and GTX 970. Apparently, since there is already a GTX 800M series for laptops, they wanted to sync up the naming conventions with the new GTX 900M series and the new GTX 900 desktop series.
http://videocardz.com/51426/nvidia-to-skip-geforce-800-...
http://wccftech.com/nvidia-rumored-launch-geforce-gtx-9...
And the release dates?
•NVIDIA Second Generation Maxwell Announcement — September 9-10th
•NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 and GTX 970 NDA lift date — September 19th
Of course, these are all officially "rumors", but that's how it goes. Rumors get updated and each time we get a little closer to the truth.
I just thought with so many people looking to purchase new high-end cards, this seems like a good time to hold off for a couple weeks to see what this new generation holds and whether that current generation card you've had your eye on will get a price drop.
http://videocardz.com/51426/nvidia-to-skip-geforce-800-...
http://wccftech.com/nvidia-rumored-launch-geforce-gtx-9...
And the release dates?
•NVIDIA Second Generation Maxwell Announcement — September 9-10th
•NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 and GTX 970 NDA lift date — September 19th
Of course, these are all officially "rumors", but that's how it goes. Rumors get updated and each time we get a little closer to the truth.
I just thought with so many people looking to purchase new high-end cards, this seems like a good time to hold off for a couple weeks to see what this new generation holds and whether that current generation card you've had your eye on will get a price drop.
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Samuel Marlow
August 29, 2014 10:35:30 AM
renz496 said:
So will GTX960 going to perform as fast as 780? i dont think so. it seems to be all about power consumption now. and since most games are going to be console based. And since the 780 and the 780ti's are about 4 times as power as a playstation 4. there is really no need to go all out for games. Just more memory for video editing and less power consumption.
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There was a leaked benchmark showing the 880/980 to be about 20% faster than the 780 Ti. Another report I read was speculating that the 970 would be in between the 780 and 780 Ti. Bottom line is, it's hard to tell for sure at this point.
I'm not as excited about these cards as I am for the full GM110 cards on 20nm. I still think anyone thinking about buying a high end card right now really needs to wait 2 or 3 weeks before they decide.
I'm not as excited about these cards as I am for the full GM110 cards on 20nm. I still think anyone thinking about buying a high end card right now really needs to wait 2 or 3 weeks before they decide.
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renz496 said:
Is there a chance for nvidia going to 'refresh' GM204 (and lower) to 20nm node or what ever next die shrink nvidia decides to use?I think that's definitely going to be the case. We're just getting started here with Maxwell. 20nm was always the goal, but you know the story with TSMC very well. I think these 28nm GTX 900 cards are going to be very good, in order to justify their designation as the "new generation". Maxwell has been talked about for years, we've all seen the product roadmaps showing big performance gains. I don't think Nvidia would release these suckers if they weren't worthy of a GTX 980 nameplate.
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renz496 said:
But rather than performance I'm more interested to see if there will be something new with second gen maxwell that is not exist on first gen maxwell (GM107)Yes, they have always debuted several new pieces of technology along with their new generation cards. Turbo Boost was one that came with Kepler.
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Some more info about the Nvidia "Game 24" event where they will apparently announce/reveal the GTX 980 & 970 on 9/19/14.
http://wccftech.com/nvidia-announces-game-24-event-980-...
http://wccftech.com/nvidia-announces-game-24-event-980-...
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And a new MSI Twin Frozr V heatsink to go along with the new GTX 970/980's.
http://wccftech.com/msi-teases-geforce-gtx-980-geforce-...
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http://wccftech.com/msi-teases-geforce-gtx-980-geforce-...

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zaysk
September 2, 2014 12:44:22 AM
If that heatsink is for the 970/980 cards (which I think it is) then power consumption has definitely been considered. Look at the PCI-E Power connectors, 2x6-pin. Now unless I'm mistaken, a 6-pin PCI-E power cable is rated at 75W, so 2 6-pin cables would be 150W, plus the 75W provided by the PCI-E slot. That's a maximum 225W TDP on at least the 970 (They could change the power options easily for the 980).
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ayb88
September 2, 2014 7:21:44 AM
Sedare
September 2, 2014 9:59:27 AM
Really liking the price point. So that could potentially translate to 549/599 for the overclocked 980's and 459/499 for OC'd 970s that the companies will put out.
With lower power consumption does this mean one wouldn't need a 1200 watt PSU to do Dual-SLI? I have an 860 Watt right now with one 780 so not having to buy another PSU to achieve sli would be nice.
With lower power consumption does this mean one wouldn't need a 1200 watt PSU to do Dual-SLI? I have an 860 Watt right now with one 780 so not having to buy another PSU to achieve sli would be nice.
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Sedare
September 2, 2014 10:49:56 AM
The last quarter was a down period in terms of sales for both companies. With reduced demand should come lower prices. I wouldn't be at all surprised if these cards came in at an attractive price level. Particularly if these are coming from a mature 28 nm process and are cheaper to produce than they would be if it was 20 nm.
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Looks like they are definitely going to be "reasonably" priced and 4GB, probably faster than current generation as well.
http://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-replace-gtx-...
http://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-replace-gtx-...
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So the previous article mentioned that there would only be reference models for the first few weeks or so. But the latest shows a listing for the overclocked, completely custom Asus GTX 970 Strix card.
http://videocardz.com/52125/asus-strix-gtx-970-asus-gtx...
http://videocardz.com/52125/asus-strix-gtx-970-asus-gtx...
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latest round of rumor. as usual take a mountain of salt for it:
http://wccftech.com/geforce-gtx-980-alleged-benchmark-t...
10% faster than 780Ti at 170w. OCed 780Ti will easily beat it but with such TDP (if this rumor is true) then there is a lot of room for OC...or boost? i mean just look how crazy 750Ti boost can be.
http://wccftech.com/geforce-gtx-980-alleged-benchmark-t...
10% faster than 780Ti at 170w. OCed 780Ti will easily beat it but with such TDP (if this rumor is true) then there is a lot of room for OC...or boost? i mean just look how crazy 750Ti boost can be.
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thequn
September 5, 2014 7:43:21 PM
This is looking, so far, like a potential blockbuster if these things come in at $500 with 4GB of VRAM. There will be a lot of pressure to lower prices across the board for most everything. It'll be hard to sell any $650 GTX 780 Ti's, or anything else in the $400+ price range.
This one's saying that it has 2560 shaders.
http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/geforce-gtx-980-starts...
This one's saying that it has 2560 shaders.
http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/geforce-gtx-980-starts...
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Those numbers are consistent with that previous report showing a +10% performance advantage over the GTX 780 Ti.
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Reading these articles i want to believe it but something in my gut is telling me either they will be weaker than we think (IE the 980 is barley as powerful as the 780) or the price will be way off(more along the lines of the 780ti price for the 980 and similar price to the 780 for the 970). But it would be awesome to get 780ti power in the 500 dollar range. And the really high single core results from the page are either highly clocked or 980ti.
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coolcole01 said:
Reading these articles i want to believe it but something in my gut is telling me either they will be weaker than we think (IE the 980 is barley as powerful as the 780) or the price will be way off(more along the lines of the 780ti price for the 980 and similar price to the 780 for the 970). But it would be awesome to get 780ti power in the 500 dollar range. And the really high single core results from the page are either highly clocked or 980ti.Doing some research on performance gained in each successive generation revealed:
- GTX 480 +29% (Fermi) over GTX 285
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_4...
- GTX 580 (Fermi refresh) +13% over GTX 480
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_5...
- GTX 680 (Kepler) +19% over GTX 580
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_6...
- GTX 780 (Kepler refresh) +17% over GTX 680
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_7...
-And since we're talking about the top of the line of each generation:
GTX 780 Ti (Kepler refresh) +27% over the GTX 680
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_7...
So, unless something has gone terribly wrong with the 20 nm vs 28 nm fabrication process, it would seem reasonable to expect at a minimum +10% over the previous generation. If that isn't happening, maybe that explains the "more reasonable" price structure, although I think $500 for a video card is exactly what they want to sell these things for. $700 for a GTX 780 Ti was just because the could charge that much and still sell as many as they could produce.
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17seconds said:
coolcole01 said:
Reading these articles i want to believe it but something in my gut is telling me either they will be weaker than we think (IE the 980 is barley as powerful as the 780) or the price will be way off(more along the lines of the 780ti price for the 980 and similar price to the 780 for the 970). But it would be awesome to get 780ti power in the 500 dollar range. And the really high single core results from the page are either highly clocked or 980ti.Doing some research on performance gained in each successive generation revealed:
- GTX 480 +29% (Fermi) over GTX 285
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_4...
- GTX 580 (Fermi refresh) +13% over GTX 480
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_5...
- GTX 680 (Kepler) +19% over GTX 580
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_6...
- GTX 780 (Kepler refresh) +17% over GTX 680
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_7...
-And since we're talking about the top of the line of each generation:
GTX 780 Ti (Kepler refresh) +27% over the GTX 680
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_7...
So, unless something has gone terribly wrong with the 20 nm vs 28 nm fabrication process, it would seem reasonable to expect at a minimum +10% over the previous generation. If that isn't happening, maybe that explains the "more reasonable" price structure, although I think $500 for a video card is exactly what they want to sell these things for. $700 for a GTX 780 Ti was just because the could charge that much and still sell as many as they could produce.
But wasn't the gtx 780 $650 when it came out
Heres hoping that they are 499 i just have my doubts
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The other part about those previous new generations was that they also debuted a new smaller fabrication size: 40 nm (Fermi) and then 28 nm (Kepler). For Maxwell, I think you could have expected a more expensive card if it had come out on 20 nm as originally expected. Since its coming out on the older, more mature 28 nm node, it's not the least bit surprising to me that the price would be around $500. It would have to be much less expensive for a new generation on an older process node, rather than a new generation on a new smaller process.
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Announcement looks to be this http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/articles/mod24, they also have an event on the 19th
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B-man33
September 10, 2014 5:10:49 AM
It is very exciting stuff happening, but I am going to wait the long wait, until next year Christmas, I will not upgrade my current PC, next year, though, there should be even better Nvidea cards, better intel CPU's, better DDR 4 RAM and better motherboards to support the new Nvidea cards, intel CPU's and DDR 4 RAM
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ayb88
September 10, 2014 6:19:34 AM
17seconds said:
The article mentions $499 for the 980 and $399 for the 970 .... potentially.B-man33 said:
It is very exciting stuff happening, but I am going to wait the long wait, until next year Christmas, I will not upgrade my current PC, next year, though, there should be even better Nvidea cards, better intel CPU's, better DDR 4 RAM and better motherboards to support the new Nvidea cards, intel CPU's and DDR 4 RAM there will always be something better coming out. I just sold my gtx670's to make room and open up my wallet for the 980!
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B-man33
September 10, 2014 6:44:41 AM
ayb88 said:
17seconds said:
The article mentions $499 for the 980 and $399 for the 970 .... potentially.B-man33 said:
It is very exciting stuff happening, but I am going to wait the long wait, until next year Christmas, I will not upgrade my current PC, next year, though, there should be even better Nvidea cards, better intel CPU's, better DDR 4 RAM and better motherboards to support the new Nvidea cards, intel CPU's and DDR 4 RAM there will always be something better coming out. I just sold my gtx670's to make room and open up my wallet for the 980!
True, but I think the wait will be worth it, lower prices and more of a variety to choose from.
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zaysk
September 10, 2014 3:08:56 PM
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zaysk
September 10, 2014 6:34:13 PM
17seconds said:
This is looking, so far, like a potential blockbuster if these things come in at $500 with 4GB of VRAM. There will be a lot of pressure to lower prices across the board for most everything. It'll be hard to sell any $650 GTX 780 Ti's, or anything else in the $400+ price range.This one's saying that it has 2560 shaders.
http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/geforce-gtx-980-starts...
Rumors say that they already discontinued producing GTX-780/780ti so the prices for new GTX 970-80 really can be truth
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Ahmadjon said:
17seconds said:
This is looking, so far, like a potential blockbuster if these things come in at $500 with 4GB of VRAM. There will be a lot of pressure to lower prices across the board for most everything. It'll be hard to sell any $650 GTX 780 Ti's, or anything else in the $400+ price range.This one's saying that it has 2560 shaders.
http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/geforce-gtx-980-starts...
Rumors say that they already discontinued producing GTX-780/780ti so the prices for new GTX 970-80 really can be truth
That's a rumour that actually makes sense and should also serve as a warning to anyone wanting to SLi their single card in the near future.
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