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renz496 said:
isn't that usually the case with nvidia when it comes to their flagship? some people hoping to get brand new second (or third) card for cheap when the new series hit only the price doesn't drop much because of lack of availability drove up the price? Yeah, pretty much!
That's part of the reason I don't advocate the "buy one now and get the other one later on." mantra that you see on this very forum.
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i think such way might work in the old days but ever since 200 series nvidia EOL their top end cards/flagship much earlier. i've seen a few here hoping to do that but when the actual time to get the second cards comes either the price is not dropping much as they hope or the new generation might give better value. so in the end it doesn't goes well with "more performance for cheap" unless they have no problem with used and refurbished cards.
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renz496 said:
isn't that usually the case with nvidia when it comes to their flagship? some people hoping to get brand new second (or third) card for cheap when the new series hit only the price doesn't drop much because of lack of availability drove up the price? Yeah, exactly, the GTX 580s were pretty much $500+ cards all the way through their last one sold at retail.
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interesting bit:
it has 5 display output. 1 DVI, 1 HDMI and 3 display port. so with 3 display port on board it is possible to use Surround G-Sync with one card where as with current generation of cards it needs 3 way SLI to make it possible. also it is possible that HDMI 2.0 also on board.
another interesting part is power consumption. early rumor from wccftech indicate 980 will be 170w card. now VCZ comes with 180w numbers. personally i think the power might end up more like 680. but even with 195w nvidia able to make 690 at 300w and still pretty much retain 680 SLI performance. so if 980 is really is 180w card nvidia might be able to pull another 690 with maxwell.
last but not least. AMD already droping 290X price to counter the unreleased 980/970
http://www.techpowerup.com/205218/radeon-r9-290x-sees-p...
interesting bit:
it has 5 display output. 1 DVI, 1 HDMI and 3 display port. so with 3 display port on board it is possible to use Surround G-Sync with one card where as with current generation of cards it needs 3 way SLI to make it possible. also it is possible that HDMI 2.0 also on board.
another interesting part is power consumption. early rumor from wccftech indicate 980 will be 170w card. now VCZ comes with 180w numbers. personally i think the power might end up more like 680. but even with 195w nvidia able to make 690 at 300w and still pretty much retain 680 SLI performance. so if 980 is really is 180w card nvidia might be able to pull another 690 with maxwell.
last but not least. AMD already droping 290X price to counter the unreleased 980/970
http://www.techpowerup.com/205218/radeon-r9-290x-sees-p...
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What is very interesting is that in the one set of images, the 980 looks like it has 5 VRM's with 2 empty solder points for 2 additional. It also has room for an 8 pin PCI-E connector where a 6 pin exists. This makes me wonder if the rumored 3200 cuda core GTX980 was true, but Nvidia decided to neuter the card and disabled some of the SMX clusters. 2048 cuda cores would be 16x128. 3200 would be 25x128. They could very well be reserving the full GPU for a Ti card later on with a 6+8pin power, 3200 cores, 7 VRMs, and charge $700+. They can't out due themselves without charging us can they?
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Here's the link for anyone wanting to register for Nvidia's Game24 event:
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Since the GM204 is being advertised as the successor to the GK104 GPU will there be plans for a successor to the GK110 used in the Titan/780/780Ti? It's funny how the x80 cards have been marketed as the flagship cards for the last several generations costing $500 at launch. Well, except the 780 at $650, which was ridiculous and they quickly lowered to $500 when the Ti came out.. If there is to be a GM210 (assumed) GPU card, this would be the actual flagship card and would obviously command a higher dollar amount. If that is all true, NVIDIA would have successfully shifted the flagship card cost to a much higher dollar and at the same time released the 980 letting people assume this is the actual flagship card at the same cost they've always paid. Maybe that is why we've not seem much about a GK110 replacement. They don't want people to deviate from the illusion that the 980 isn't the big daddy flagship card, which it obviously is not.
A Chess match indeed and we are all pawns.
A Chess match indeed and we are all pawns.
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i believe there will be successor to GK110 just like it succeed GF100/110. usually Gxx04 is more gaming oriented while the big chip is more for GPGPU stuff. just like current GK110 has a few exclusive feature that did not exist in GK104. about price....
. price wise AMD is attractive choice for consumer and most people like it but i'm sure AMD not really pleased with the fact they have to sell at much lower price just to compete with nvidia. and the mining craze already bite them back.
. price wise AMD is attractive choice for consumer and most people like it but i'm sure AMD not really pleased with the fact they have to sell at much lower price just to compete with nvidia. and the mining craze already bite them back. -
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It was the Kepler generation that kicked up the price point on the GK104 mid-range chips... or rather the AMD Tahiti competition at the time. There was a famous quote from an Nvidia exec who said that they were not impressed by Tahiti's performance. Basically they knew they had a mid-range chip that could beat AMDs top chip. So when the GTX 680 GK104 chip came out, it was cheaper and faster than the 7970 (people tend to forget that, yes, AMD also charges high prices if it can). When Nvidia finally did release its full GK110 chip, it was in competition with AMDs next generation chip, and was/is still better. And everything else that we have seen with price drops and game bundles and factory overclocked "reference" cards has fallen out of that very basic reality.
I caught these interesting charts that seemed to tell a very big story. The amount that each company spends on Research and Development.
http://ycharts.com/companies/AMD/r_and_d_expense
http://ycharts.com/companies/NVDA/r_and_d_expense
I'm a little concerned about the reports today that the GTX 980 might sell for $600, but the GTX 970 seems confirmed for the $400 price point. Oh well, only a few days to go. Maybe that price has something to do with the above points.
But yeah, I am fully expecting a repeat of the Kepler pattern with Nvidia holding back the full GM110 chip for when it really needs it, in terms of the competition.
I caught these interesting charts that seemed to tell a very big story. The amount that each company spends on Research and Development.
http://ycharts.com/companies/AMD/r_and_d_expense
http://ycharts.com/companies/NVDA/r_and_d_expense
I'm a little concerned about the reports today that the GTX 980 might sell for $600, but the GTX 970 seems confirmed for the $400 price point. Oh well, only a few days to go. Maybe that price has something to do with the above points.
But yeah, I am fully expecting a repeat of the Kepler pattern with Nvidia holding back the full GM110 chip for when it really needs it, in terms of the competition.
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If the GTX 980 is $600 Nvidia is going to have a hard time selling cards. I'll stick with my GTX680 thank you very much. It's OCed past the highest factory clocked GTX770 anyway. It runs everything at 1080 60Hz. Heck at $600 and depending where it sits people with a 600 or 700 card are just going to sit on their existing setups. $400 for the 970 depending on performance is reasonable and I'd like to see what the GTX960 puts out. But $200 over a 970 for a 980 is nonsense.
I've sat on my GTX680 for well over 2 years. I swear it's the longest I've not upgraded my graphics and I have an itch. But I'm also older and a bit wiser with my money these days. They really have to make me want to upgrade. If I had a 4GB GTX680 I would probably have even more reason not to upgrade.
MADNESS! THIS IS SPARTA!
I've sat on my GTX680 for well over 2 years. I swear it's the longest I've not upgraded my graphics and I have an itch. But I'm also older and a bit wiser with my money these days. They really have to make me want to upgrade. If I had a 4GB GTX680 I would probably have even more reason not to upgrade.
MADNESS! THIS IS SPARTA!
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Final specs according to VCZ. 64 ROPS! that was unexpected. It is also a fully enable GPU. Benchmarks should be interesting. IF it releases at $500 it may be quite a card. $600...... they can keep it. HAHA
http://videocardz.com/52362/only-at-vc-nvidia-geforce-g...
http://videocardz.com/52362/only-at-vc-nvidia-geforce-g...
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it will be interesting to see when actual review comes out. and i heard there will be no custom 980 at launch unlike 970. why is that?
also i heard some people speculating that maxwell will be very short lived compared to kepler since Pascal was expected to come out in 2016. but personally i think geforce based pascal won't hit until 2017 or very late 2016.
also i heard some people speculating that maxwell will be very short lived compared to kepler since Pascal was expected to come out in 2016. but personally i think geforce based pascal won't hit until 2017 or very late 2016.
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renz496 said:
it will be interesting to see when actual review comes out. and i heard there will be no custom 980 at launch unlike 970. why is that?
also i heard some people speculating that maxwell will be very short lived compared to kepler since Pascal was expected to come out in 2016. but personally i think geforce based pascal won't hit until 2017 or very late 2016.
If the 980 is coming out with that big fatty fat fat TITAN cooler that can dissipate 250w of heat and it's bolted to a 165W card, why would you need much else. The 970 looks like it's getting the older GTX670 style cooler. Not saying it's not capable of cooling the card well, but it's a cheaper cooler. However, it's probably a nice benefit to have the upgraded manufactures coolers in that case even if it's $20 tagged to the 970 cost. I personally would rather have the nice TITAN style blower cooler since I don't go nuts with case airflow and this will exhaust out the back rather than circulating in my case. That could be the reason the 970s will have custom cards. Or are you talking about totally custom PCBs by ASUS, MSI, etc for the 970 and not 980?
As far as Pascal, I'm sure they will sit on this a little while to suck in revenue on these cards. Especially if the Red Team isn't pushing performance up. I'm sure they will leave it in their back pocket in case, but why rush things if they are selling cards they are already fabed for.
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Reply to jay2tall
The custom 980s seem like they will have a slight delay before the custom models come out, maybe a week or so.
Here is the info for the Game24 event:
GAME24 is just days away! As we get closer to this worldwide celebration of PC gaming, we want to keep you up-to-date on the latest event details.
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With so much happening at GAME24, we want to you to be ready:
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Go to game24.nvidia.com and count down the biggest moments in PC gaming. Even share your favorites at #GAME24.
Read our Game24 "survival guide." See more and contribute your own by following our Facebook and Twitter and using the hashtag #GAME24
Remember, GAME24, begins on September 18, 2014 at locations around the world. And online starting at 6 pm PDT at game24.nvidia.com.
Join us in person* and online and be prepared to take the 19th off.
Here is the info for the Game24 event:
GAME24 is just days away! As we get closer to this worldwide celebration of PC gaming, we want to keep you up-to-date on the latest event details.
Here's a brief summary of what you'll see on our livestream at game24.nvidia.com:
Experience never-before-seen PC gaming technologies and be the first to hear about incredible new products and game announcements.
Watch exclusive partner interviews with Epic, Ubisoft, Boss Key, NCSoft, Blizzard, Wargaming, SOE, Deep Silver, 2K Games, Warner Brothers, Respawn, Red Bull, and many others.
Learn the secret training regimen of professional eSports teams, including Evil Geniuses, Cloud 9, Team Tinker, and Alliance—then watch them compete in the GAME24 DotA 2 Invitational tournament.
Watch the shattering of 2 world records!
Participate in our interactive livestream by judging competitions, chatting with developers and celebrities, and uploading content of your own.
Yes, there will be amazing prizes, including 4K NVIDIA G-SYNC monitors, NVIDIA SHIELD tablets, a Falcon Northwest Tiki, and three custom-built rigs, each with 3-way NVIDIA SLI GeForce GTX GPUs. That's right...you could win one of the world's first VR gaming rigs!
With so much happening at GAME24, we want to you to be ready:
Survival Guide
Go to game24.nvidia.com and count down the biggest moments in PC gaming. Even share your favorites at #GAME24.
Read our Game24 "survival guide." See more and contribute your own by following our Facebook and Twitter and using the hashtag #GAME24
Remember, GAME24, begins on September 18, 2014 at locations around the world. And online starting at 6 pm PDT at game24.nvidia.com.
Join us in person* and online and be prepared to take the 19th off.
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Here's something I don't understand. People are saying that the 980 will probably fall between the 780 and the 780 Ti.
But then I look at these (hypothetical) benchmarks: http://videocardz.com/52166/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-gtx-...
And these supposedly final specs: http://videocardz.com/52362/only-at-vc-nvidia-geforce-g...
The 980 will aparently have a boost clock up to 1216MHz. The standard 780 Ti goes up to 928MHz. When I look up those values in the benchmark chart then the 980 should be 15-20% faster than the 780 Ti.
Am I missing something here?
But then I look at these (hypothetical) benchmarks: http://videocardz.com/52166/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-gtx-...
And these supposedly final specs: http://videocardz.com/52362/only-at-vc-nvidia-geforce-g...
The 980 will aparently have a boost clock up to 1216MHz. The standard 780 Ti goes up to 928MHz. When I look up those values in the benchmark chart then the 980 should be 15-20% faster than the 780 Ti.
Am I missing something here?
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HighEndGaming
September 16, 2014 7:24:46 PM
HighEndGaming
September 16, 2014 7:28:09 PM
You also have to remember that there is always a tons of hype (marketing) about new series cards coming out. The final values NEVER match up to the hype and they will not be ground breaking performance for much less. It never has been nor will it ever be. In the end it's all a business so they want everyone talking about it, like we are, and ready to throw your money at it. The new series will be better but you will pay every penny for the new tech and whatever performance increases there are.
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Vexillarius said:
Here's something I don't understand. People are saying that the 980 will probably fall between the 780 and the 780 Ti.But then I look at these (hypothetical) benchmarks: http://videocardz.com/52166/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-gtx-...
And these supposedly final specs: http://videocardz.com/52362/only-at-vc-nvidia-geforce-g...
The 980 will aparently have a boost clock up to 1216MHz. The standard 780 Ti goes up to 928MHz. When I look up those values in the benchmark chart then the 980 should be 15-20% faster than the 780 Ti.
Am I missing something here?
The benchmarks and reports I've been reading have been hitting on a pretty consistent ~10% faster than a GTX 780 Ti.
One thing I'm curious about are the potential new technologies that may debut alongside the cards. In the past we've seen Adaptive VSync, Turbo Boost, Monitor overclocking, TXAA, and other unique add-ons.. I wonder what Maxwell will bring?
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A lot of news out there, but nothing as huge as this:
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970 Official MSRP Will Be $299 US – Non-Reference Models Will Retail Around $329-$349 US
http://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-gtx-970-official-msr...
And I know the EVGA fans will love this:
EVGA GeForce GTX 980 and GTX 970 To Feature Next Generation ACX 2.0 Cooler With Ball Bearing Design
http://wccftech.com/evga-geforce-gtx-980-gtx-970-featur...
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970 Official MSRP Will Be $299 US – Non-Reference Models Will Retail Around $329-$349 US
http://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-gtx-970-official-msr...
And I know the EVGA fans will love this:
EVGA GeForce GTX 980 and GTX 970 To Feature Next Generation ACX 2.0 Cooler With Ball Bearing Design
http://wccftech.com/evga-geforce-gtx-980-gtx-970-featur...
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The only thing I'm wondering about is the big GAME24 event. It seems like they are really going for a huge two day coming out party with all the trimmings. They wouldn't go all out like that if there wasn't something at least semi-awesome... would they?
Even if its just a $300 GTX 970 running faster than a GTX 780/290X on way less power, that would qualify wouldn't it? .....Hmmm?
Even if its just a $300 GTX 970 running faster than a GTX 780/290X on way less power, that would qualify wouldn't it? .....Hmmm?
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ferwindjacks
September 16, 2014 8:40:03 PM
Here's something close:
GeForce GTX 970 4GB
According to our data, GTX 970 has a core clock of 1051 MHz. So technically, it shouldn’t be a problem to add extra speed, as we already know that GM204 can easily operate at 1150-1190 frequencies. For such reason, likelihood of GTX 970 beating GTX TITAN or 290X is relatively high.
http://videocardz.com/52166/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-gtx-...
Just whittling away on the keyboard at this point, since there's still a couple days to go.
GeForce GTX 970 4GB
According to our data, GTX 970 has a core clock of 1051 MHz. So technically, it shouldn’t be a problem to add extra speed, as we already know that GM204 can easily operate at 1150-1190 frequencies. For such reason, likelihood of GTX 970 beating GTX TITAN or 290X is relatively high.
http://videocardz.com/52166/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-gtx-...
Just whittling away on the keyboard at this point, since there's still a couple days to go.
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ferwindjacks
September 16, 2014 8:52:30 PM
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Meanwhile the Asus GTX 780 Ti DirectCU OC is down to $560 + free Borderlands Pre-Sequel.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
I expect this is a preview of things to come.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
I expect this is a preview of things to come.
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17seconds said:
Meanwhile the Asus GTX 780 Ti DirectCU OC is down to $560 + free Borderlands Pre-Sequel.http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
I expect this is a preview of things to come.
I really hate that price drops like that never seem translate to pricedrops in Europe. Not to mention that $1=€1 most of the time apparently.
Still, if that 970 price is correct I might get 2 of them instead of a single 980.
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Tossing some more red meat out there with this quote from Kitguru's Facebook page:
"We know there have been some slightly negative stories floating around the net recently about upcoming Nvidia hardware. We are under NDA so we can't divulge any information at all on names, dates or performance - but we can say that Nvidia fans will have a lot to be happy about - and sooner rather than later too."
"We know there have been some slightly negative stories floating around the net recently about upcoming Nvidia hardware. We are under NDA so we can't divulge any information at all on names, dates or performance - but we can say that Nvidia fans will have a lot to be happy about - and sooner rather than later too."
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ferwindjacks
September 17, 2014 7:16:33 AM
StaticDrift
September 17, 2014 1:12:58 PM
zaysk
September 17, 2014 5:41:48 PM
ferwindjacks
September 17, 2014 5:43:52 PM
ferwindjacks said:
Doesn't the event start on the 18th though? Why would they wait til the end of it?It starts at 6 pm PDT (California time), so reviews would be coming out in the evening. The preference would be for everything to debut in the morning, I assume, so the 19th. There will likely be the first reviews released at 12:01 am though if you're up that late.
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New update from supposedly leaked benchmarks. GTX980 runs about 13.27% faster than a stock clocked 780Ti. The GTX970 was on average 4.63% slower than a GTX780 (OCed card). I think the 970 number is a bit misleading because the 780 was Oced from the stock 863MHz to 1006MHZ. If I assume correctly they are using the Zotac GTX780 AMP! card. I did a quick check and calculations. The AMP performs 15% on average better than a stock GTX780. So the 970 will outperform a stock 780 by 10%ish.
Either way enjoy.
http://wccftech.com/nvidia-maxwell-geforce-gtx-980-gefo...
Either way enjoy.
http://wccftech.com/nvidia-maxwell-geforce-gtx-980-gefo...
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My coworkers that play games are all going crazy. 2 want the 970 and another the 980 plus me. Thought at $329 for a 970, two would be $660 for SLI opposed to $550 for a single 980. That's a VERY tempting item right there. I wouldn't want the OEM 970 card though, at least the OEM board. Manufacturers will take the 980 board and put the 970 on it and maybe plop an extra VRM or two on there and make them OC machines.
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Reply to jay2tall
It's the power usage that may be the ace in the hole for Maxwell. Expect cool and quiet cards with overclocking capacity that should push their performance beyond the current generation.
A key study will be to see how well their performance scales with overclocking. It's one thing to overclock by 25%, but how much more performance does that generate? Fermi, with its "hot clocks" was very good at scaling, Kepler not as much.
A key study will be to see how well their performance scales with overclocking. It's one thing to overclock by 25%, but how much more performance does that generate? Fermi, with its "hot clocks" was very good at scaling, Kepler not as much.
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ferwindjacks
September 18, 2014 10:57:16 AM
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^ The 980 is the full GM204 GPU. Chances are they will make a 970Ti with 1 or 2 SMM units disabled instead of the 3 the 970 has. $330 to $550 is a big price difference. They will also probably do a 20nm refresh too. I'd expect there to be a 980Ti if they make a Titan 2 and tone it down a little. I feel good about a 980 with nothing disabled.
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