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ferwindjacks
September 18, 2014 2:21:47 PM
They definitely will not make a 970 Ti. The card is mid-high end, and I'm not quite sure how far they can go for it to not reach 980 status. This is why they leave it up to people like EVGA and Asus to give a higher base clock and boost clock.
I am expecting the Titan 2 to blow everything away with 20nm (if it isn't 20nm they failed) and 980 Ti to either be 20nm or pack a ton of Cuda and maybe increase memory bandwidth bus.
I am expecting the Titan 2 to blow everything away with 20nm (if it isn't 20nm they failed) and 980 Ti to either be 20nm or pack a ton of Cuda and maybe increase memory bandwidth bus.
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The reference clock speeds are the final item for fine tuning before the card is released. That is the variable they use to place the card within the product lineup. They choose the clock speed that fits the card right in between the higher price point and the next lowest price point.
So far it looks like the Maxwell cards have plenty of overhead to increase their clock speeds even beyond the high reference clocks.
So far it looks like the Maxwell cards have plenty of overhead to increase their clock speeds even beyond the high reference clocks.
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ferwindjacks
September 18, 2014 4:46:12 PM
For sure. Aren't these the first single chip GPU that broke the reference gigahertz barrier? I think that's pretty sweet.
From all the rumors, it's still not worth the upgrade from a 770-780 Ti. Let's all take a second to thank Apple for snatching up the last of 20nm production. Kinda ruined Maxwell for me.
From all the rumors, it's still not worth the upgrade from a 770-780 Ti. Let's all take a second to thank Apple for snatching up the last of 20nm production. Kinda ruined Maxwell for me.
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zaysk
September 18, 2014 6:18:20 PM
So will 980/70 be on sale by tomorrow? I'd like to know because I want to purchase a 970, was gonna go for the 980 but the price/performance of the 970 is to good to pass up, especially since I can just throw another one into my PC in a few months if need be. I'd like to snag a 970 ASAP in order to make sure I get one before it's all gone.
Will we know later on tonight when exactly they'll go up for sale? I'm a nighthawk, so I'll be up for a while regardless.
Will we know later on tonight when exactly they'll go up for sale? I'm a nighthawk, so I'll be up for a while regardless.
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zaysk
September 18, 2014 7:58:28 PM
There are a lot of good reviews out there already (except on Tom's Hardware so far). Some good information on how Maxwell is able to do more in terms of memory, even with a smaller 256 bit interface versus Kepler. As a result, these cards definitely hold their performance at surround resolutions as well.
I'm curious about the new AA modes they have debuted. One of them creates a 4K image and downsamples it with some high quality filtering down to your monitor's native resolution for a supposedly crisper image.
We are going to see price drops all over the place. As it is, there is no reason to get anything AMD in the mid to high range. Kepler 770, 780, 780 Ti are confirmed to be out of production. Snap 'em up for your SLI rig while you can!
Also be sure to check out the new Nvidia 344.11 driver:
http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/77837...
I'm curious about the new AA modes they have debuted. One of them creates a 4K image and downsamples it with some high quality filtering down to your monitor's native resolution for a supposedly crisper image.
We are going to see price drops all over the place. As it is, there is no reason to get anything AMD in the mid to high range. Kepler 770, 780, 780 Ti are confirmed to be out of production. Snap 'em up for your SLI rig while you can!
Also be sure to check out the new Nvidia 344.11 driver:
http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/77837...
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ferwindjacks
September 18, 2014 9:34:15 PM
I'm unimpressed. They said that they didn't name them on the 800 series because it would get too confusing (lol). All they want to do is get a new naming system for 20nm down the road.
Tired of 28nm at this point. I think I'll wait for next gen or Titan II, 20nm will bring a whole boat load of possibilities.
Now that I think of it, does the 900 series even have that co processor Nvidia said would come with Maxwell?? If not, another fail by them. Ruined the entire lineup by switching this around.
Tired of 28nm at this point. I think I'll wait for next gen or Titan II, 20nm will bring a whole boat load of possibilities.
Now that I think of it, does the 900 series even have that co processor Nvidia said would come with Maxwell?? If not, another fail by them. Ruined the entire lineup by switching this around.
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zaysk
September 19, 2014 12:17:16 AM
zaysk
September 19, 2014 2:33:08 AM
ferwindjacks said:
They definitely will not make a 970 Ti. The card is mid-high end, and I'm not quite sure how far they can go for it to not reach 980 status. This is why they leave it up to people like EVGA and Asus to give a higher base clock and boost clock. I am expecting the Titan 2 to blow everything away with 20nm (if it isn't 20nm they failed) and 980 Ti to either be 20nm or pack a ton of Cuda and maybe increase memory bandwidth bus.
There should be the GTX-970ti or 975, because of a high price gap between 970 and 980
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One of the more interesting reviews is the GTX 970 in SLI. Faster than a 295x2 for about $300 less and over 100 less watts of power.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_9...
Hardware Canucks sums it up pretty well in terms of AMD:
"The GTX 980 must be causing a serious case of deja-vu for AMD. Back when the GTX 680 was launched, their Tahiti cards looked too expensive, too slow, too loud and too hot….and the situation hasn’t really changed this time around. In every almost every game the GTX 980 easily outmuscles their flagship R9 290X, consumes significantly less power and costs just $50 more. So what does this mean for AMD? They’re currently stuck with a power hungry, hot running architecture that is still quite competitive from a performance standpoint but some significant price cuts are desperately needed."
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-r...
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_9...
Hardware Canucks sums it up pretty well in terms of AMD:
"The GTX 980 must be causing a serious case of deja-vu for AMD. Back when the GTX 680 was launched, their Tahiti cards looked too expensive, too slow, too loud and too hot….and the situation hasn’t really changed this time around. In every almost every game the GTX 980 easily outmuscles their flagship R9 290X, consumes significantly less power and costs just $50 more. So what does this mean for AMD? They’re currently stuck with a power hungry, hot running architecture that is still quite competitive from a performance standpoint but some significant price cuts are desperately needed."
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-r...
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CGurrell said:
Ahmadjon said:
I saw game tests where GTX-980 beats GTX-780ti and Titan Black in almost all games with high resolutions, YES GTX-980 faster than GTX-Titan in 2560x1440p resolution
Was the 970 similar to the 780ti?
No, it was similar to GTX-780 (non Ti)
BTW: Gigabyte GTX-970 is already selling
http://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-GeForce-Graphics-GV-N970...
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CGurrell said:
Ahmadjon said:
I saw game tests where GTX-980 beats GTX-780ti and Titan Black in almost all games with high resolutions, YES GTX-980 faster than GTX-Titan in 2560x1440p resolution
Was the 970 similar to the 780ti?
Well as you can see from the review of the eVGA ACX SC card that one is just 1% behind the GTx 780 Ti, basically the same for $200 or $300 less.
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Samuel Marlow
September 19, 2014 7:53:17 AM
Samuel Marlow
September 19, 2014 7:58:08 AM
That's true, but I have a 144Hz monitor so framerates over 60 are actually quite nice for me.
Still, my CPU is the bottleneck right now, so that'll be the first upgrade either way. Stupid 8150, still can't believe I fell for that lol.
I'm eagerly awaiting non-reference 980s, I'm really curious about what kinds of factory overclocks we'll be seeing. Could potentially be massive.
EDIT: Just finished reading Tom's roundup. Hopefully those non-reference cards reach the Netherlands soon. Also, apparently some guys already overclocked a 980 to 2067MHz!
Still, my CPU is the bottleneck right now, so that'll be the first upgrade either way. Stupid 8150, still can't believe I fell for that lol.
I'm eagerly awaiting non-reference 980s, I'm really curious about what kinds of factory overclocks we'll be seeing. Could potentially be massive.
EDIT: Just finished reading Tom's roundup. Hopefully those non-reference cards reach the Netherlands soon. Also, apparently some guys already overclocked a 980 to 2067MHz!
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ferwindjacks
September 19, 2014 8:07:48 AM
Still debating?? Answer this question: do you get 60fps on games that you play (assuming they are optimized, and if not do you get acceptable frames)?
I have a 770 SC and I'm still going to wait for 20nm. I'd go as far as to say that anyone with a 760 or over should stick with what they have and wait. Whether it's on 980 Ti or Titan 2, the wait will be worth it.
I said before that I'm disappointed in this Gen. Hardware wise, I am. Like I said before, Nvidia set themselves up for success next Gen with the power efficiency way up and great new driver tech that will further separate AMD and Nvidias differences in gaming. However the common man is going to look at lower memory bus and 28nm and say 'wtf!!'. Of course we know that memory on this Gen tops the 384-odd bit bus that last Gen had even though its smaller, but it's a tech thing that won't make sense to a lot of people. Also, benchmarks are really underwhelming. Are they comparing reference 780 Ti to something like an EVGA 980 SC?? If so, that is very sad as a 780 Ti super clocked is around reference 980 then.
20/16nm is gonna be great when it comes out. We're talking performance up the wazoo with great power efficiency. That's why I'm waiting for 980 Ti or Titan 2 as they might be 20nm. 900 series so far just seems like a taste of what is to come.
I have a 770 SC and I'm still going to wait for 20nm. I'd go as far as to say that anyone with a 760 or over should stick with what they have and wait. Whether it's on 980 Ti or Titan 2, the wait will be worth it.
I said before that I'm disappointed in this Gen. Hardware wise, I am. Like I said before, Nvidia set themselves up for success next Gen with the power efficiency way up and great new driver tech that will further separate AMD and Nvidias differences in gaming. However the common man is going to look at lower memory bus and 28nm and say 'wtf!!'. Of course we know that memory on this Gen tops the 384-odd bit bus that last Gen had even though its smaller, but it's a tech thing that won't make sense to a lot of people. Also, benchmarks are really underwhelming. Are they comparing reference 780 Ti to something like an EVGA 980 SC?? If so, that is very sad as a 780 Ti super clocked is around reference 980 then.
20/16nm is gonna be great when it comes out. We're talking performance up the wazoo with great power efficiency. That's why I'm waiting for 980 Ti or Titan 2 as they might be 20nm. 900 series so far just seems like a taste of what is to come.
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ferwindjacks said:
Still debating?? Answer this question: do you get 60fps on games that you play (assuming they are optimized, and if not do you get acceptable frames)? I have a 770 SC and I'm still going to wait for 20nm. I'd go as far as to say that anyone with a 760 or over should stick with what they have and wait. Whether it's on 980 Ti or Titan 2, the wait will be worth it.
I said before that I'm disappointed in this Gen. Hardware wise, I am. Like I said before, Nvidia set themselves up for success next Gen with the power efficiency way up and great new driver tech that will further separate AMD and Nvidias differences in gaming. However the common man is going to look at lower memory bus and 28nm and say 'wtf!!'. Of course we know that memory on this Gen tops the 384-odd bit bus that last Gen had even though its smaller, but it's a tech thing that won't make sense to a lot of people. Also, benchmarks are really underwhelming. Are they comparing reference 780 Ti to something like an EVGA 980 SC?? If so, that is very sad as a 780 Ti super clocked is around reference 980 then.
20/16nm is gonna be great when it comes out. We're talking performance up the wazoo with great power efficiency. That's why I'm waiting for 980 Ti or Titan 2 as they might be 20nm. 900 series so far just seems like a taste of what is to come.
20nm or 16nm will come at the mid or end of 2015 so you gonna wait forever, also 20nm chips might be expensive because of higher percent of bad chips while manufacturing. 28nm chips are cheaper to produce, that's why price of the GTX-980 is cheaper than GTX-780ti because they can produce higher percent of the good chips. TSMC claims that they will most then likely produce 28nm chips in the 2015, remember the situation when TSMC couldn't produce 20nm chips for Nvidias Maxwell chips http://www.extremetech.com/computing/123529-nvidia-deep...
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ferwindjacks
September 19, 2014 10:07:38 AM
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ferwindjacks
September 19, 2014 12:19:39 PM
ferwindjacks said:
I'd more more interested in the 980 Ti Kingpin... Anyone else think they're gonna roll out the Ti when that 390 gets announced? God, AMD might get hammered again this year... Depends what they can pull out and what the selling points of the 980 Ti are.
Yeah, absolutely. 20 nm, a GM210 chip with a lot more CUDA cores, even more power efficient, cooler, and quieter. That's what I'm waiting for as an upgrade to my GTX 780 Ti.
AMD is behind the 8 ball at this point. All they can really do is lower prices, but even then buying one of their cards means, higher power usage, more heat, more noise, and no DSR, MFAA, PhysX, Adaptive VSync, TXAA, FXAA, HBAO+... the list of exclusive features just keeps getting longer. With Hawaii so recently released, it doesn't seem like the 390X's are going to be out anytime soon. Of course that'll be right about the time the GTX 980 Ti, or whatever, gets released as well.
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ferwindjacks
September 19, 2014 12:52:40 PM
lostmenoggin
September 19, 2014 2:03:14 PM
I'll be switching from my single 780 to 970s in SLI. I play at 5760x1080 and have to have settings at med with no AA to get 60 FPS. This is a great deal for me. I was going to SLI my 780 down the road but why bother now? I can still return my 780 and pay like $180 for 2 cards and should be able to run at basically all ultra @ 55 FPS. Maybe turn down one thing to get it to 60.
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StaticDrift
September 19, 2014 2:04:49 PM
17seconds said:
I'm seeing Turbo Boost clocks in the 1500 MHz+ range on these cards. It'll be amazing to see what more extreme overclockers can do with these. I'll try to do a review of the OC scaling at some point when I get some time.k|ngp|n already OC'd EVGA's GTX-980
The clocks were 1917MHz base, 2006MHz boost and 8412MHz memory clock
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lostmenoggin
September 19, 2014 2:27:13 PM
coolcole01 said:
looking at everything it seems pretty awesome for people who owned a gtx 770 or lower at 550 its true high end but it does leave me waiting to see the next chip i think that will be the one for me come on 20 nm Maxwell chips.Keep an eye out for all things related to TSMC then as they are the ones holding things up, apparently.
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ferwindjacks
September 19, 2014 3:33:08 PM
Don't know if the 980 Ti would be 20nm, but looking at the time gap between the 780 and 780Ti, we'd be looking at a March launch for the 980Ti.
Then again, it might be different as the 780Ti was the full unlocked version of the 780, and the 980 is already fully unlocked.
Maybe we'll get to see a GM210 or something this March
Then again, it might be different as the 780Ti was the full unlocked version of the 780, and the 980 is already fully unlocked.
Maybe we'll get to see a GM210 or something this March
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gridironcj
September 20, 2014 4:09:04 AM
Meh. This is a great upgrade for 600 series owners or earlier, but for GK110 owners, this isn't much of an upgrade. Expect a GTX 990 launch within the next 6 months (dual GM204) which would follow last generation's roadmap with the GTX 690 (dual GK104). We'll probably see a Titan II within the next 6 months as well to give GK110 owners a reason to upgrade.
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cst1992 said:
Don't know if the 980 Ti would be 20nm, but looking at the time gap between the 780 and 780Ti, we'd be looking at a March launch for the 980Ti.Then again, it might be different as the 780Ti was the full unlocked version of the 780, and the 980 is already fully unlocked.
Maybe we'll get to see a GM210 or something this March
GTX-980's GM204 chip is already fully unlocked GPU so there definitrly should be GM210
Only GTX-970 is not fully unlocked.
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gridironcj said:
Meh. This is a great upgrade for 600 series owners or earlier, but for GK110 owners, this isn't much of an upgrade.What I don't get is, they've got the world's fastest graphics card! Why do they need to upgrade it so soon? It's only been a year and 4 months to May 2013, and GK110 owners want to upgrade? I'm not suggesting them to spend their money, but according to me, what's the use of the fastest card in the world if one can't hold on to it for four years or so atleast?
I'm not saying what you said is wrong. It's absolutely correct. It just doesn't fit for me.
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cst1992 said:
gridironcj said:
Meh. This is a great upgrade for 600 series owners or earlier, but for GK110 owners, this isn't much of an upgrade.What I don't get is, they've got the world's fastest graphics card! Why do they need to upgrade it so soon? It's only been a year and 4 months to May 2013, and GK110 owners want to upgrade? I'm not suggesting them to spend their money, but according to me, what's the use of the fastest card in the world if one can't hold on to it for four years or so atleast?
I'm not saying what you said is wrong. It's absolutely correct. It just doesn't fit for me.
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Samuel Marlow
September 20, 2014 7:28:13 AM
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