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September 20, 2014 7:33:18 AM

wh3resmycar said:


EPEEN


More like Game_PEEN :p 
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September 20, 2014 9:27:49 AM

Samuel Marlow said:
do you guys know if the gtx 780 ti will support MFAA or DSR or VXGI??

I'm pretty sure all that will work on the 700 series through the driver settings. I haven't really seen anything that addresses that question exactly, so we'll have to see. DSR looks very interesting, but no one has seen MFAA in action yet.
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September 20, 2014 10:02:49 AM

Check that, maybe.... likely:

Quote:
"Finally, while DSR is currently limited to Maxwell 2 video cards, NVIDIA has not-so-subtly been hinting that DSR will in time be ported to NVIDIA’s previous generation cards. The technique itself does not require any special Maxwell 2 hardware and should easily work on Kepler hardware as under the hood it’s really just a driver trick."
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8526/nvidia-geforce-gtx-9...
September 20, 2014 10:53:01 AM

17seconds said:
Check that, maybe.... likely:

Quote:
"Finally, while DSR is currently limited to Maxwell 2 video cards, NVIDIA has not-so-subtly been hinting that DSR will in time be ported to NVIDIA’s previous generation cards. The technique itself does not require any special Maxwell 2 hardware and should easily work on Kepler hardware as under the hood it’s really just a driver trick."
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8526/nvidia-geforce-gtx-9...


well thats good to know.. i would like to think that the money i have spent on the gtx 780ti i would at least get some of the new things on offer! They cant just smply forget about all 700 series card owners like this.
September 20, 2014 1:07:16 PM

True, 700 series is high enough quality to grab a couple of these new features.

Seconds, I hope you continuously update this thread as I am thoroughly interested in 20nm Maxwell. I'm not sure how much more they can do with the current size cards for the 980 Ti, however I cannot say that it will be 20nm as TSMC is still busy with 20nm Apple A8 processors. I still feel that these new driver technologies and hardware strides Nvidia has showed us is just a teaser on something way better to come.
September 20, 2014 1:24:30 PM

ferwindjacks said:
True, 700 series is high enough quality to grab a couple of these new features.

Seconds, I hope you continuously update this thread as I am thoroughly interested in 20nm Maxwell. I'm not sure how much more they can do with the current size cards for the 980 Ti, however I cannot say that it will be 20nm as TSMC is still busy with 20nm Apple A8 processors. I still feel that these new driver technologies and hardware strides Nvidia has showed us is just a teaser on something way better to come.


i dont think that 20nm will come to us for a while now? i mean the gtx 780 ti and the gtc 980 is like 4 or 5 times more powerful than a PS4 or xbox one.. most games will come from console platforms. so people dont really need the extra power right now imho. also. i would like to see what directx 12 delivers for us. i have seen rumours of the direct x 12 giving 50% better gpu utilization. better communications between gpu and cpu, and it will be including some sort of console tech that computers dont have.. this sounds very nice. cant wait for dx 12
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September 20, 2014 5:33:29 PM

Sigh... The 970 card I want was pretty much one of the first to sell out on Friday. Looking to snatch up 2 ASUS STRIX GTX970s. I was looking to replace my GTX 680 with a nice shiny new GTX 980... but for a little over $120 more I can get two 970s with killer performance. I never ran two cards before and looking forward to the adventure.... Actually I take that back. I tried running 2 AMD4870's in Crossfire, but on my previous board they were smack against each other and the bottom card baked the top card to 100C and would crash. Couldn't get the airflow needed. Hoping these don't give me problems, I do have 1 slot between 2 cards this time and I can't imagine they run as hot as those little toasters. I know it's probably overkill for a 60Hz 1080P display, but DSR sounds like a fun time.

I'm just waiting for a 4K 120Hz G-Sync monitor and I'll be all set. Whenever those things come out that is.

Does anyone know when Newegg, or others, should expect more stock of cards? Someone told me the 26(Friday), but I don't know how he knows.
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September 20, 2014 6:11:36 PM

ferwindjacks said:
I'm unimpressed. They said that they didn't name them on the 800 series because it would get too confusing (lol). All they want to do is get a new naming system for 20nm down the road.

Tired of 28nm at this point. I think I'll wait for next gen or Titan II, 20nm will bring a whole boat load of possibilities.

Now that I think of it, does the 900 series even have that co processor Nvidia said would come with Maxwell?? If not, another fail by them. Ruined the entire lineup by switching this around.


for what i remember nvidia never really explain that. they said there will be ARM core in maxwell generation. it could be very well what tegra is. a lot has happen since nvidia talks about it. initially everyone expect that denver will be the ARM core that will be integrated in nvidia GPU. but somehow (early 2013 i think) denver shows up in their tegra roadmap. nvidia GPU with integrated ARM core might be interesting but instead of limiting their potential with only ARM processor nvidia might choose something that will give them more flexibility to support their potential customer. right now their tesla will work with x86, ARM and IBM's Power.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8195/isc-2014-nvidia-tesl...
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September 20, 2014 6:21:16 PM

wh3resmycar said:
i don't get it, why hate on the 980/970? i mean you guys are having it easy nowadays. i remember paying close to $400 for a fx5700 ultra and can't play crap, only consolation was it had video-capture capabilities.


very true. :) 

right now even mid range gpu able to max out most game easily
September 20, 2014 6:27:00 PM

I've got 2x GTX 780 Strix (the 6gb versions) from Asus... given the performance increase is only modest between the 980 and the 780 (maybe 15-20% under ideal conditions), is the new technology worth it to jump up to SLI'd 980s?

I've got one 144hz monitor right now, and will be looking to add two more to it, or perhaps jump up to an ROG swift or Acer's 4K gsync monitor if it turns out to be worth the money.
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September 20, 2014 6:33:32 PM

among the new stuff that nvidia bring with maxwell launch i was interested with DSR. if the feature is not Maxwell specific then i hope they bring it at least to kepler generation of card. what i like the most is it should work in games without the need to integrate the feature inside the games. like forcing FXAA through nvidia control panel.
September 20, 2014 6:59:39 PM

I am convinced they will bring most of the new tech such as DSR to Kepler. Another reason why not to update from 700 series to 900 series IMO.

To respond to your question good, I guess do what feels right. Check the benchmarks on those SLId when (if) they come out. Another factor is how much you can get out of them if you decide to sell them. If you're happy with the frames youre getting now, just wait and see what else comes our way. Titan 2 and 980 Ti is still on my mind...
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September 20, 2014 8:18:13 PM

980s are not really meant to be an upgrade for 780 owners, more like 680 owners who held on this long.

Quote:
"Throughout NVIDIA's presentation, the GeForce GTX 980 (Maxwell GPU) was being compared to the original Kepler, the GeForce GTX 680. This is whom NVIDIA is targeting as the upgrade path to Maxwell. NVIDIA is targeting owners of GeForce GTX 6-series video cards as the gamers who will now want to make the jump to the latest video cards. Maxwell will give you a 2x bump in performance, and power savings to boot compared to GeForce 6-series video cards. This is the upgrade path NVIDIA sees. Of course we know that many [H]’ers tend to purchase GPU hardware at a pace that is a bit more brisk.



Those who already have GeForce GTX 780 cards or GeForce GTX 780 Ti cards are not necessarily the people in mind for this upgrade path to Maxwell. If you have a GTX 780 Ti you might want to wait for the next big thing. Those video cards still perform very well in today's games. However, NVIDIA will be discontinuing those, so you won't be able to buy new ones except for what is left in inventory, so if SLI was in your plans, sooner rather than later might be strategy you want to adopt. GeForce GTX 980 will replace GeForce GTX 780 and GTX 780 Ti products."
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2014/09/18/nvidia_maxwel...
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September 20, 2014 8:23:59 PM

^ just like when nvidia launch 750Ti. it is for people with cards like GTS450. this new 980/970 is for people with 680 or much older gen card especially from fermi era
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September 21, 2014 4:04:08 AM

cst1992 said:
gridironcj said:
Meh. This is a great upgrade for 600 series owners or earlier, but for GK110 owners, this isn't much of an upgrade.


What I don't get is, they've got the world's fastest graphics card! Why do they need to upgrade it so soon? It's only been a year and 4 months to May 2013, and GK110 owners want to upgrade? I'm not suggesting them to spend their money, but according to me, what's the use of the fastest card in the world if one can't hold on to it for four years or so atleast?

I'm not saying what you said is wrong. It's absolutely correct. It just doesn't fit for me.


They have to produce new GPU's to get money. It's the way they get money so here is two winners: the GPU manufacturer who got your money, and you who got GTX-970 for 330$ with the speed of GTX-780.
Generally you get new GPU for cheaper price.

Cheaper, Faster, Cooler and consumes less power than GTX-780 :) 
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September 21, 2014 5:11:18 AM

Finally, while DSR is currently limited to Maxwell 2 video cards, NVIDIA has not-so-subtly been hinting that DSR will in time be ported to NVIDIA’s previous generation cards. The technique itself does not require any special Maxwell 2 hardware and should easily work on Kepler hardware as under the hood it’s really just a driver trick. said:
Finally, while DSR is currently limited to Maxwell 2 video cards, NVIDIA has not-so-subtly been hinting that DSR will in time be ported to NVIDIA’s previous generation cards. The technique itself does not require any special Maxwell 2 hardware and should easily work on Kepler hardware as under the hood it’s really just a driver trick.


DSR have been going for quite some time now (but not up to 4k resolution). you can downsample from 1440p to 1080p by creating a custom resolution. you're displaying 1440p at 1080p basically.

i posted a thread regarding this during the gtx460 days, folks here bashed me saying i was a lunatic for not running at native resolution.
September 21, 2014 8:38:21 AM

While down sampling has been a thing for a while, DSR makes it simpler for everyone to use. Down sampling required driver modification, game modification among other things. DSRs aim is to make down sampling easier for developers and users alike.
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September 21, 2014 8:38:30 AM

wh3resmycar said:
Finally, while DSR is currently limited to Maxwell 2 video cards, NVIDIA has not-so-subtly been hinting that DSR will in time be ported to NVIDIA’s previous generation cards. The technique itself does not require any special Maxwell 2 hardware and should easily work on Kepler hardware as under the hood it’s really just a driver trick.[/msgquoted said:


DSR have been going for quite some time now (but not up to 4k resolution). you can downsample from 1440p to 1080p by creating a custom resolution. you're displaying 1440p at 1080p basically.

i posted a thread regarding this during the gtx460 days, folks here bashed me saying i was a lunatic for not running at native resolution.]Finally, while DSR is currently limited to Maxwell 2 video cards, NVIDIA has not-so-subtly been hinting that DSR will in time be ported to NVIDIA’s previous generation cards. The technique itself does not require any special Maxwell 2 hardware and should easily work on Kepler hardware as under the hood it’s really just a driver trick.


DSR have been going for quite some time now (but not up to 4k resolution). you can downsample from 1440p to 1080p by creating a custom resolution. you're displaying 1440p at 1080p basically.

i posted a thread regarding this during the gtx460 days, folks here bashed me saying i was a lunatic for not running at native resolution.


As far as I know DSR is similar to SSAA (Super Sample Anti-Aliasing).
GPU basically renders at 4k and then downsamples output image to 1080p.
September 21, 2014 8:56:13 AM

How do I leave this thread?
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September 21, 2014 9:15:32 AM

StaticDrift said:
How do I leave this thread?

That's a good question. You used to be able to click on the flag to "unflag" the thread from your list.
September 21, 2014 9:24:04 AM

Lol, I would stay but I don't know what half the stuff you're talking about means :p 
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September 21, 2014 9:46:16 AM

In the lower left corner of the first post in the thread you can click Unfollow and Stop tracking this thread.
September 21, 2014 9:48:04 AM

Thank you
September 21, 2014 10:09:59 AM

But static, you are gonna be missing out on all the tech lingo... No better way to learn than be involved in a subject you know nothing about!
September 21, 2014 10:37:37 AM

Ive been using a IceQ 7870 for the last two years and yesterday after reading through the reviews i got onto newegg and bought me a EVGA 04G-P4-2975-KR GeForce GTX 970! Then about 3 hours later it was sold out lol but what a huge upgrade..hell i spent $330 for a 8800gt way back in the day and $300+ for an ancient what was it? umm 5950 ultra...
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September 21, 2014 1:35:43 PM

xx12amanxx said:
Ive been using a IceQ 7870 for the last two years and yesterday after reading through the reviews i got onto newegg and bought me a EVGA 04G-P4-2975-KR GeForce GTX 970! Then about 3 hours later it was sold out lol but what a huge upgrade..hell i spent $330 for a 8800gt way back in the day and $300+ for an ancient what was it? umm 5950 ultra...

That's a 50% improvement, plus you'll have fun exploring the Nvidia Control Panel and trying out the new settings you'll have available. For example, HBAO+ can be enabled on most games by simply selecting Quality Ambient Occlusion.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/EVGA/GTX_970_SC_ACX_...

September 21, 2014 3:25:13 PM

17seconds said:
xx12amanxx said:
Ive been using a IceQ 7870 for the last two years and yesterday after reading through the reviews i got onto newegg and bought me a EVGA 04G-P4-2975-KR GeForce GTX 970! Then about 3 hours later it was sold out lol but what a huge upgrade..hell i spent $330 for a 8800gt way back in the day and $300+ for an ancient what was it? umm 5950 ultra...

That's a 50% improvement, plus you'll have fun exploring the Nvidia Control Panel and trying out the new settings you'll have available. For example, HBAO+ can be enabled on most games by simply selecting Quality Ambient Occlusion.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/EVGA/GTX_970_SC_ACX_...




Yes i am excited to get it then i'll put my 7870 up for sale for a hundred bucks and get some of my money back lol. Win win for me! Now if Capcom will hurry and release there remastered HD version of RE1 life will be perfect!
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September 21, 2014 9:41:48 PM

17seconds said:

That's a 50% improvement


Actually it's a 108% faster card according to that chart, or 2x as fast.
September 21, 2014 9:54:30 PM

I wouldn't recommend anyone getting the 980 over the 970. At least at 1080p anyways. Its only about 15% stronger then the 970. I got the GTX 970 SSC and it is basically running at 780ti benchmarks on all the games I have played.. BF4, Crysis, etc. The EVGA SSC ACX 2.0 GTX 970 is only 350 dollars. It was a great price if you ask me.
September 22, 2014 4:15:33 AM

Reading most of this, am I correct to say that my card will be OK for years to come? The ASUS GTX 770 2 GB 256 bit Direct CU OC edition playing on a 1600 X 900 LED display (ideal size monitor for me eyeballs, personal reference), will I benefit a lot from SLI or will I be just wasting my money? Will it give the GTX 980 a run for its money? Or am I just getting ahead of myself?

It seem like the maxwell does really well with lighting, something that was very difficult to achieve or this is what Nvidea is saying, sales gimmick? I mean look at BF4 the lighting when standing behind a tree and the sun is shining on that tree from the other side, looks really good with all the shadows at the correct places and this is with my GTX 770
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September 22, 2014 4:22:24 AM

You shouldn't have a problem for years at that resolution.
September 22, 2014 5:19:04 AM

I have to say the GTX 970 looks like it's one of the best values for the money I have seen. It's kind of hard to find out how it stacks up against the GTX 580 though. I was planning to wait until the R9 390x came out, but I may end up using my BestBuy gift cards on this sucker if they have it in stock by the end of the week.

I also wonder if my 3 year old 750W PSU could handle two of them in SLI due to the 145W limit?

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September 22, 2014 5:28:53 AM

145w limit?
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September 22, 2014 5:58:31 AM

he means TDP of the 970.
BTW it's 148W, not 145.
September 22, 2014 6:15:15 AM

My last GFX card was a 580 and I just bought two 970`s to run in SLI. So I think jumping from a 580 to 970 sli'd is going to be a significant jump . I am building a complete new system to the timing of the 900 release was perfect.


4ktv said:
I have to say the GTX 970 looks like it's one of the best values for the money I have seen. It's kind of hard to find out how it stacks up against the GTX 580 though. I was planning to wait until the R9 390x came out, but I may end up using my BestBuy gift cards on this sucker if they have it in stock by the end of the week.

I also wonder if my 3 year old 750W PSU could handle two of them in SLI due to the 145W limit?



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September 22, 2014 7:10:50 AM

4ktv said:
I have to say the GTX 970 looks like it's one of the best values for the money I have seen. It's kind of hard to find out how it stacks up against the GTX 580 though. I was planning to wait until the R9 390x came out, but I may end up using my BestBuy gift cards on this sucker if they have it in stock by the end of the week.

I also wonder if my 3 year old 750W PSU could handle two of them in SLI due to the 145W limit?

Here is Guru3D's power supply recommendation:
•GeForce GTX 970 or 980 - On your average system the card requires you to have a 500 Watt power supply unit.
•GeForce GTX 970 or 980 in 2-way SLI - On your average system the cards require you to have an 800 Watt power supply unit as minimum.

If you are going to overclock your GPU or processor, then we do recommend you purchase something with some more stamina.
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/gigabyte_geforce_g...


A GTX 580 is right around the GTX 660/660 Ti performance level.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GTX_970_STRIX_O...
September 23, 2014 2:52:28 PM

I don't like dynamic clocks or boost frequencies as I prefer consistent and peak performance, and from what I know GPU Boost 2.0 throttles cards at certain temps and there's no way to disable or increase the arbitrary thresholds without flashing the bios. Watching a Youtube video of someone overclocking a 780 ti with afterburner, it looks like you can manually adjust everything including temperature limit. So, with these new cards can I keep my clocks fixed and increase the temp limit without flashing the bios for consistent frequencies? The only other experience with Nvidia that I've had was a GT 320 in an OEM pc.
September 26, 2014 1:46:35 PM

So I guess I had to wait to answer my own question, and the answer to my question is that my dislike of boost frequencies on GPU's is more than justified. Say when I play an older game like DE: HR with DSR at 1440p, depending upon which area of the game that I'm in and the demand being placed upon the card the core hovers around my base overclock until demand increases, which then boosts to 1550 mhz. The problem is, between the gap of the base clock and when the boost takes place there's a significant rendering quality hit that results in seriously unsmooth transitions. I'd imagine that if I could fix these clocks, this wouldn't be an issue.

I've already enabled power mode to performance in control panel, guess I'm going to try Nvidia Inspector. In the meantime, I'll be waiting for a custom bios because this is crap.
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September 26, 2014 5:19:25 PM

ferwindjacks said:
Can we hijack this thread and turn it into a 980 Ti hype train?

http://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-ti-gtx-titan...

Yeah, that's interesting news with a lot of small details to back it up. It's no mystery that the GTX 980 is only about 10% better than the next best cards. They need to hold back the really big cards for when they're really needed in terms of the competition and market. It's all a chess game, but I think Nvidia just took AMDs queen by forcing them into diminishing profit returns. I mean, this past week or so NO ONE bought a 290 or 290x.
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September 26, 2014 5:21:31 PM

clueless77 said:
So I guess I had to wait to answer my own question, and the answer to my question is that my dislike of boost frequencies on GPU's is more than justified. Say when I play an older game like DE: HR with DSR at 1440p, depending upon which area of the game that I'm in and the demand being placed upon the card the core hovers around my base overclock until demand increases, which then boosts to 1550 mhz. The problem is, between the gap of the base clock and when the boost takes place there's a significant rendering quality hit that results in seriously unsmooth transitions. I'd imagine that if I could fix these clocks, this wouldn't be an issue.

I've already enabled power mode to performance in control panel, guess I'm going to try Nvidia Inspector. In the meantime, I'll be waiting for a custom bios because this is crap.

So you're saying you notice a difference on screen when your card shifts its Turbo Boost clocks? I haven't heard of that before, but I don't doubt it since the boost clocks on Maxwell are relatively so much greater than those on the Kepler cards.
September 26, 2014 6:46:47 PM

Just one of the few articles. Another mentioned how team green is obviously going to wait and see what AMD pulls out of their sleeve, which is a good idea marketing wise.

Also note that MSI isn't making a Lightning model of their 970/80 as they are waiting for the cream of the crop.
September 27, 2014 2:10:49 PM

Yeah, I definitely see the difference, it's happened with 290x's and boost clocks before too, which sometimes results in slower than usual texture loading which I also experienced with this 980. If Afterburner had a K boost like Precision yet somewhat better than its implementation of forcing truly fixed boost clocks, customs bios probably wouldn't even be necessary on that front. And hell, if any overclocking software could top Afterburner in monitoring, it'd be a lot easier to switch to that software.

Why do these companies insist on forcing boost frequencies on us? Some people probably don't mind them, but I do and I want the option to either disable them or force them at fixed frequencies. Apparently, I'm not the only one either.
September 27, 2014 6:48:10 PM

Finally got my 970`s installed with a whole new rig, blazing... very smooth.
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September 27, 2014 8:21:58 PM

sla70r said:
Finally got my 970`s installed with a whole new rig, blazing... very smooth.

What model did you buy?
September 27, 2014 8:36:25 PM


sla70r said:
Finally got my 970`s installed with a whole new rig, blazing... very smooth.

What model did you buy?
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I got the Zotac's. Dead silent and cool .
September 28, 2014 5:01:51 AM

cst1992 said:
You shouldn't have a problem for years at that resolution.


Thanks, much appreciated.
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September 28, 2014 9:47:26 AM

If anyone's ready for the GTX 980 Ti already, here's some news (linked earlier):

http://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-ti-gtx-titan...

Nvidia Geforce GTX 980 Ti / GTX Titan X ‘GM200′ Specs Allegedly Leaked
First of all, I would like to apologize in advance for the heading. I do not know what the GM200 GPU will be called, but since I have to name the article something appropriate, 980 Ti and Titan X will have to do. Anyways here are the specs as mentioned by PCTuning:

Die Size: 551mm^2
SMMs/CUDA Cores: 20-22/ 2560-2816
Memory Bus: 384 Bit
Performance: ~50% Boost over GTX Titan Black
Launch: Q4 2014

Now, the publication mentions that the professional and gaming equivalents will release together and there is a chance that Nvidia will keep the GM200 GPU for the professional space only. In such a case a “Geforce GTX 990″ is expected rocking two GM204 Cores. This is where the actual leak from PCTuning ends and I take the reigns on conjecture, so if speculation isn’t your cup of tea you might want to skip this part.
Basically, we already know that the GM200 chip/GTX 980 Ti/TitanX is completely ready. Its customer samples were tested a few weeks back and if it follows the same trend as the Gm204 then it should be out and about within 2 months at most. This is confirmed by data from the shipping portal zauba.com. Before the first ‘CS’ entry which appeared on 12th August 2014, there had only been entries using the nomenclature ‘INT’ which means the core is meant for Internal Testing. Because green follows the same pattern we knew that once the INT chips were spotted the CS chips wouldn’t be that far behind and chips with the name GM200-CS0-A1 and GM200-CS1-A1 were soon spotted, indicating that the GPU is now ready. This core will have double the performance per watt of the GK110 core (as can be seen from the research paper) and we should see an amazing leap in gaming performance from 204 to 200.
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September 28, 2014 10:35:44 AM

Let's now hope the GTX990/Titan X would be competitively priced to the 295x2, not like the $3000 Titan Z. Nobody bought that card against the 295x2 I suppose.
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