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B-man33
September 28, 2014 1:06:18 PM
ferwindjacks
September 28, 2014 1:12:50 PM
If the 980 Ti is a 50% performance improvement over the Titan Black, I will be waiting for the Titan (insert name here). Imagine the performance on that bad boy...
B-man, I would wait for the best of the generation to come out and then make your choice. It seems team green is holding AMD in a check so when they release their 28nm 3xx series, they can (possibly) turn their new cards into a check mate. Time will tell my friend.
B-man, I would wait for the best of the generation to come out and then make your choice. It seems team green is holding AMD in a check so when they release their 28nm 3xx series, they can (possibly) turn their new cards into a check mate. Time will tell my friend.
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i wonder if we are going to see another repeat of what happen to kepler. when ever nvidia comes out with their top gun maxwell current 980 will be rename into new card, have better clock and much cheaper price. or will nvidia make GM200 as titan and tesla/quadro only?
and it will be interesting what will the red team going to do right now. they already make a bit of noise about it.
http://wccftech.com/amd-promises-competition-gtx-980-gt...
and it will be interesting what will the red team going to do right now. they already make a bit of noise about it.
http://wccftech.com/amd-promises-competition-gtx-980-gt...
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clueless77
September 28, 2014 3:37:30 PM
In other semi-related news, what's with the rumored 6gb min requirements of vram to run Shadow of Mordor at ultra in 1080p? I'm not really interested in anything LOTR, although SOM does look like maybe it'd be a decent, potentially non-boring game for reasons other than its relation to LOTR. Still, if developers are collaborating with GPU manufacturers to push a new standard that hasn't even really hit 3gb at 1080p yet while making relatively new cards obsolete for ultra quality graphics, I think I'm out.
Maybe it's just a bunch of fearmongering, but 6gb? Watch the language
Maybe it's just a bunch of fearmongering, but 6gb? Watch the language
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^ to be honest i don't really mind that. that 6GB is only for ultra texture (i heard it was specifically for texture only). if your gpu doesn't have that much VRAM you can choose to use much lower setting. unlike The Evil Within people are giving a flak about the 4GB VRAM because so far dev make it out as if regardless of graphical setting you're going to need 4GB of VRAM.
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B-man33 said:
Do you guys think to wait until next year to see what the rest of the big company's can do with these 2 cards? I am not in the market to buy a new card, but just curious.I am waiting on (2) GTX 970 MSI cards. I bought these because they seemed to have the best aftermarket setup. 6 VRM's for GPU and 2 for Memory. ASUS had 6 VRM's for GPU but stuck with the stock setup for Memory. I am not waiting to see if any other models come out, because I can do ALOT with these cards right now and enjoy them for a LONG time. I have a bone stock ASUS GTX680 OC'ed pretty darn well with stock cooling. I've enjoyed it for something like 2.5years. I bought it DAY 1. I will also suggest not waiting around to see what else is coming out, just buy the best model card available with the newest GPU and enjoy it.
I see there are rumors of a GTX980Ti or Titan X type card. All I can say to that is poo poo to you. There is no way on this earth that one of those cards is going to out match (2) GTX 970's at the $700 price point. The rumor is a 20-22SMM/ 2560-2816 cuda core/ 384 bit memory bus monster that will be 50% more performance than a Titan Black. I gaurentee you, that you are looking at a $1000+ card. Even if it comes in at $750 or so it's not going to be worth it. (2) 970's give you 1664 x 2 cuda cores (3328), 64 ROPs x 2 (128), plus the power of 2 actual GPU's cranking away. Performance wise that is sitting right up there next to a Titan Z (2 titan cores on a card) for $700... It's nuts.
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17seconds said:
Since there are only a couple models of video card that come with 6GB of VRAM (GTX 780, Titan Black), did Nvidia have a hand in the development of Shadows of Mordor?well that's possible. nvidia have work closely with all batman's game which WB being the publisher since Arkham City. but i think Shadow of Mordor are vendor neutral. i haven't heard much about the game being TWIMTBP. if it's Gaming Evolved title AMD will make a lot of noise about it as well
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ferwindjacks
September 29, 2014 4:31:38 AM
Jay, SLI doesn't realistically give you double performance. B-man said he's not even in the market for a new card. At a 750 price point, I'd say a high tier card that has 50% more performance than a Titan Black would be 'worth' that much. Also, remember that there are way more factors that determine performance, so CUDA isn't the only thing to look at (that's right, I'm looking at you, 384 bit bus and 6gb standard VRAM)I guarantee you the Ti will never hit 1k, or even 900.
Of course, this is speculation and its only a rumor that it has such speeds. Who remembers the fake benchmarks of the 980 beating the 780 Ti by 20%? It's just too early to tell.
Of course, this is speculation and its only a rumor that it has such speeds. Who remembers the fake benchmarks of the 980 beating the 780 Ti by 20%? It's just too early to tell.
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Reply to ferwindjacks
^
I very well know SLI doesn't double performance, but in most cases in modern games SLI comes pretty darn close to that 50% increase mark. For $700 it's a good deal for the performance numbers it's putting out. You are right, we don't even know if the rumors are true or accurate, but it's still fun to banter back and forth, isn't it? I was pleasantly surprised to hear during GAME24 when Jen-Hsun Huang was introducing new Maxwell technology that it uses memory compression algorithms that boost performance up to 30%. That means even though they are running on a 256bit bus they are throwing more data down it. That's cool, right?
If they come out with a professional card what doubles the Titan Black performance in compute type applications, I'm sure you are looking at a costly card. If they release it with a gaming targeted cards, who knows. I still don't think they are going to let it go cheap with the GTX980 coming it at $550.
I very well know SLI doesn't double performance, but in most cases in modern games SLI comes pretty darn close to that 50% increase mark. For $700 it's a good deal for the performance numbers it's putting out. You are right, we don't even know if the rumors are true or accurate, but it's still fun to banter back and forth, isn't it? I was pleasantly surprised to hear during GAME24 when Jen-Hsun Huang was introducing new Maxwell technology that it uses memory compression algorithms that boost performance up to 30%. That means even though they are running on a 256bit bus they are throwing more data down it. That's cool, right?
If they come out with a professional card what doubles the Titan Black performance in compute type applications, I'm sure you are looking at a costly card. If they release it with a gaming targeted cards, who knows. I still don't think they are going to let it go cheap with the GTX980 coming it at $550.
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clueless77
September 29, 2014 3:05:24 PM
I'm not always one to go with a consensus, but the consensus is that 6gb's of vram for whatever resolution is bullshit. Optimize for and actually push 4gb cards to their limit with an efficient use of all available resources, 4 gb's which AMD made a standard at somewhat reasonable prices quite some time ago, then we can talk about 6-8gb's of vram for ultra quality graphics at whatever resolution. A lot of people are still on 2-3gb of vram in the first place, even at 4k.
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ferwindjacks
September 29, 2014 3:54:49 PM
jay2tall said:
^I very well know SLI doesn't double performance, but in most cases in modern games SLI comes pretty darn close to that 50% increase mark. For $700 it's a good deal for the performance numbers it's putting out. You are right, we don't even know if the rumors are true or accurate, but it's still fun to banter back and forth, isn't it? I was pleasantly surprised to hear during GAME24 when Jen-Hsun Huang was introducing new Maxwell technology that it uses memory compression algorithms that boost performance up to 30%. That means even though they are running on a 256bit bus they are throwing more data down it. That's cool, right?
If they come out with a professional card what doubles the Titan Black performance in compute type applications, I'm sure you are looking at a costly card. If they release it with a gaming targeted cards, who knows. I still don't think they are going to let it go cheap with the GTX980 coming it at $550.
Sure SLI comes close, but I would rather a card that has that performance give or take some, around the same price, that I can SLI later on and get even more out of them. Future planning I guess, and thats just me. I think the 970s SLId are a heck of a deal and comes close to 560Ti SLI scale. I would love to further discuss rumors, banta is my specialty.
As for the new Maxwell tech, I think that is cool that they can get better performance with a 256bit bus, but cant they in turn take that and put it into a 384bit bus and allow for greater speeds at higher res?
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Reply to ferwindjacks
The main barrier to SLI scaling is the support platform. Faster CPUs will deliver greater SLI scaling. It's also dependent on the game being played as well. Some just don't scale as well as others. Generally, when we see reviews of SLI setups, what we are seeing is as much the effects of the CPU bottlenecking as we are the actual potential of the unhindered GPUs.
http://www.ocaholic.ch/modules/smartsection/item.php?it...
Interesting news/rumor about the AMD 390X likely coming out in 2015 and only on the 20 nm node. The most interesting part for me is the analysis that this may have implications for Nvidia:
1) That the GM200 chip (GTX 980 Ti?) will be released this year, which is supported by other rumors.
2) That Nvidia will have, as they say, a "monopoly" until the AMD Pirate Islands are released well into 2015. At which point, the GPU wars will begin again.
http://wccftech.com/amds-pirate-islands-gpus-radeon-r9-...
Oh, and how about the EVGA GTX 980 Classified with a boost clock of over 1400 MHz?
http://wccftech.com/evga-geforce-gtx-980-classified-gtx...
http://www.ocaholic.ch/modules/smartsection/item.php?it...
Interesting news/rumor about the AMD 390X likely coming out in 2015 and only on the 20 nm node. The most interesting part for me is the analysis that this may have implications for Nvidia:
1) That the GM200 chip (GTX 980 Ti?) will be released this year, which is supported by other rumors.
2) That Nvidia will have, as they say, a "monopoly" until the AMD Pirate Islands are released well into 2015. At which point, the GPU wars will begin again.
http://wccftech.com/amds-pirate-islands-gpus-radeon-r9-...
Oh, and how about the EVGA GTX 980 Classified with a boost clock of over 1400 MHz?
http://wccftech.com/evga-geforce-gtx-980-classified-gtx...
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ferwindjacks
September 30, 2014 9:09:57 AM
ferwindjacks said:
Sure SLI comes close, but I would rather a card that has that performance give or take some, around the same price, that I can SLI later on and get even more out of them. Future planning I guess, and thats just me. I think the 970s SLId are a heck of a deal and comes close to 560Ti SLI scale. I would love to further discuss rumors, banta is my specialty.
As for the new Maxwell tech, I think that is cool that they can get better performance with a 256bit bus, but cant they in turn take that and put it into a 384bit bus and allow for greater speeds at higher res?
I have been a bit inpatient waiting for a new card. I am not sitting around and waiting on other rumors when I can get my not so idle hands on 2 970s now. It would be cool to have a big daddy Maxwell card, but I expect the price to be high, just because it's the top card. I'm sure we will see in time.
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clueless77
September 30, 2014 3:21:10 PM
Yeah, I was going to wait from early summer to the release of the 900's to get my first GPU, then I just got some AMD cards and Crossfired them which weren't bad performers by any means, then DSR won me over with the 900's. I'll probably skip the ti's if that's actually what they're going to be, and just wait for the next series with a SLI config in the meantime. Waiting for a single card that performs equivalently or better at around the same price as 2 980's does make sense without it being just being a dual gpu model at a slightly lesser cost, that is if these cards weren't the upgrade you were looking for. For all of their efficiency and little choking on the bandwidth with a slightly larger vram (compared to the vast majority of previous GTX's), they're not all that much of an improvement over a 780ti or even a 290x from a pure performance perspective.
AMD will need to come back strong in price, performance, efficiency and features to gain new traction against the 9xx's though, with the last 2 being something that they're not so great at.
AMD will need to come back strong in price, performance, efficiency and features to gain new traction against the 9xx's though, with the last 2 being something that they're not so great at.
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4ktv
September 30, 2014 9:44:14 PM
clueless77 said:
Yeah, I was going to wait from early summer to the release of the 900's to get my first GPU, then I just got some AMD cards and Crossfired them which weren't bad performers by any means, then DSR won me over with the 900's. I'll probably skip the ti's if that's actually what they're going to be, and just wait for the next series with a SLI config in the meantime. Waiting for a single card that performs equivalently or better at around the same price as 2 980's does make sense without it being just being a dual gpu model at a slightly lesser cost, that is if these cards weren't the upgrade you were looking for. For all of their efficiency and little choking on the bandwidth with a slightly larger vram (compared to the vast majority of previous GTX's), they're not all that much of an improvement over a 780ti or even a 290x from a pure performance perspective. AMD will need to come back strong in price, performance, efficiency and features to gain new traction against the 9xx's though, with the last 2 being something that they're not so great at.
While I agree with efficiency, I don't understand the whole feature thing. I can't even hook up more than 2 screens to my GTX 580 while AMD could do 6 with there flag ship on one card at the time. The GTX 970 is a good value at the $300 dollar price target range, but really PhysX isn't that big of a deal due to how most games get by without it. Battlefield 4 did great without it aside from the bugs due to EA being EA.
I get cards mostly based on price and performance, efficiency great if it can be better if not I don't really care. I also don't get what the big deal on DSR is, just some software downscaling thing? Just like a DVD will look like a blu-ray and now it's your 1080p screen will become 4k. Unless it makes my Samsung trade it's self in for a 4k screen then I don't see why DSR is really that big of a deal.
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ferwindjacks
October 1, 2014 4:38:25 AM
^ as am I....
I think the whole 4k on 1080p is not true, but DSR is important because it's like antialising but not as taxing. Therefore, this makes (games) look better without --serious-- performance cuts like in the game video options.
Clueless, I also agree the 900 series (so far) isn't a big improvement over the 780/Ti. However, I am skeptical about how AMD can beat such price/performance ratio and actually have their cards be competitive/beat Nvidia performance wise.
I think the whole 4k on 1080p is not true, but DSR is important because it's like antialising but not as taxing. Therefore, this makes (games) look better without --serious-- performance cuts like in the game video options.
Clueless, I also agree the 900 series (so far) isn't a big improvement over the 780/Ti. However, I am skeptical about how AMD can beat such price/performance ratio and actually have their cards be competitive/beat Nvidia performance wise.
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The performance of the 980 offers a 20%+ improvement over the 780 in games in many cases. That's pretty substantial. It also adds compute power that competes with the flagship AMD cards and uses far less power (if you're into that).
I sold my two 780s and picked up a single 980 once my eyes were opened to the marvel that is G-sync on my PG278Q. If you have an SLI setup, you don't really notice a difference with G-sync until you force yourself to turn off SLI. This is hard for us to do, but when you do and the performance is still smooth and there's no tearing, you realize you don't have to push the 120fps/120Hz mark with two cards in SLI any longer. Even with a single 780, the performance was smooth and only dipped below the 30fps mark during a couple of the cut scenes in Tomb Raider (any video setup that gets to the low 20s starts to appear choppy, G-sync or not). Any frame rate of high 20s and above looks smooth and you don't even notice the fluctuations when using the G-sync monitor.
A single 980 allows you to stay at or above the fps sweet spot for G-sync with just about any title (including Tomb Raider). This results in smooth unadulterated gaming performance. It's really a step in the right direction. I would encourage anyone out there who's traditionally found running an SLI setup to be the only way to minimize perceptible tearing while avoiding the lag of V-sync to give a G-sync monitor a try with a single card as they become available. Depending on your card, you'll have to adjust the details. On the other hand, depending on your situation, you might also want to run two mid-level cards with G-sync to get to that 770/780/780Ti/970 or 980 level of performance.
Long story short... Try G-sync and your requirements for a GPU setup will likely change.
I sold my two 780s and picked up a single 980 once my eyes were opened to the marvel that is G-sync on my PG278Q. If you have an SLI setup, you don't really notice a difference with G-sync until you force yourself to turn off SLI. This is hard for us to do, but when you do and the performance is still smooth and there's no tearing, you realize you don't have to push the 120fps/120Hz mark with two cards in SLI any longer. Even with a single 780, the performance was smooth and only dipped below the 30fps mark during a couple of the cut scenes in Tomb Raider (any video setup that gets to the low 20s starts to appear choppy, G-sync or not). Any frame rate of high 20s and above looks smooth and you don't even notice the fluctuations when using the G-sync monitor.
A single 980 allows you to stay at or above the fps sweet spot for G-sync with just about any title (including Tomb Raider). This results in smooth unadulterated gaming performance. It's really a step in the right direction. I would encourage anyone out there who's traditionally found running an SLI setup to be the only way to minimize perceptible tearing while avoiding the lag of V-sync to give a G-sync monitor a try with a single card as they become available. Depending on your card, you'll have to adjust the details. On the other hand, depending on your situation, you might also want to run two mid-level cards with G-sync to get to that 770/780/780Ti/970 or 980 level of performance.
Long story short... Try G-sync and your requirements for a GPU setup will likely change.
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The best comparison for these GM204 cards is not the GK110 GTX 780 Ti, but rather the GK104 GTX 770. The difference there is substantial. The GM200, apparently the full Maxwell chip name, will be released in due time when needed within the product stack. That card will be the true comparison for the GTX 780 Ti, and will be a better gauge for generation over generation improvement. The GTX 980 Ti, or whatever they call it, should be a significant jump in performance over the GTX 980/GTX 780 Ti.
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jay2tall said:
ferwindjacks said:
Sure SLI comes close, but I would rather a card that has that performance give or take some, around the same price, that I can SLI later on and get even more out of them. Future planning I guess, and thats just me. I think the 970s SLId are a heck of a deal and comes close to 560Ti SLI scale. I would love to further discuss rumors, banta is my specialty.
As for the new Maxwell tech, I think that is cool that they can get better performance with a 256bit bus, but cant they in turn take that and put it into a 384bit bus and allow for greater speeds at higher res?
I have been a bit inpatient waiting for a new card. I am not sitting around and waiting on other rumors when I can get my not so idle hands on 2 970s now. It would be cool to have a big daddy Maxwell card, but I expect the price to be high, just because it's the top card. I'm sure we will see in time.
How ya doing mate? long time no see.
I'm still going to try and wait it out for the 20nm cards although the urge to splurge is getting hard to resist (but resist we must).
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ferwindjacks
October 1, 2014 2:39:59 PM
clueless77
October 1, 2014 2:48:03 PM
4ktv said:
clueless77 said:
Yeah, I was going to wait from early summer to the release of the 900's to get my first GPU, then I just got some AMD cards and Crossfired them which weren't bad performers by any means, then DSR won me over with the 900's. I'll probably skip the ti's if that's actually what they're going to be, and just wait for the next series with a SLI config in the meantime. Waiting for a single card that performs equivalently or better at around the same price as 2 980's does make sense without it being just being a dual gpu model at a slightly lesser cost, that is if these cards weren't the upgrade you were looking for. For all of their efficiency and little choking on the bandwidth with a slightly larger vram (compared to the vast majority of previous GTX's), they're not all that much of an improvement over a 780ti or even a 290x from a pure performance perspective. AMD will need to come back strong in price, performance, efficiency and features to gain new traction against the 9xx's though, with the last 2 being something that they're not so great at.
While I agree with efficiency, I don't understand the whole feature thing. I can't even hook up more than 2 screens to my GTX 580 while AMD could do 6 with there flag ship on one card at the time. The GTX 970 is a good value at the $300 dollar price target range, but really PhysX isn't that big of a deal due to how most games get by without it. Battlefield 4 did great without it aside from the bugs due to EA being EA.
I get cards mostly based on price and performance, efficiency great if it can be better if not I don't really care. I also don't get what the big deal on DSR is, just some software downscaling thing? Just like a DVD will look like a blu-ray and now it's your 1080p screen will become 4k. Unless it makes my Samsung trade it's self in for a 4k screen then I don't see why DSR is really that big of a deal.
Well you see, DSR suits my needs because I use my PC not only for games but as an HTPC, so I'm not going to buy a 30" 1440p monitor and I'm also not going to be buying a 4k television until 4k is both actually used as a standard with content produced for them and mid-lower high tier dual card configurations can easily drive games at 4k at ultra settings. Yeah, I guess you could call DSR a form of downscaling that also applies an anti-aliasing effect in the process, it's very similar to supersampling as it renders the image at either 1440p or 4k and then adjusts it to the native resolution of the display, but it certainly isn't upscaling which hardly compensates for the bad image quality of non-native HD content in HD. I actually really like it and especially for those older games that don't have a lot of AA options available in them, I wouldn't really call it just some gimmick and a lot of people actually both use and want downsampling. AMD has broken support for third party applications in Catalyst updates for downsampling, and as I rather not be on older and buggier version of Catalyst, yeah.
The thing is, if AMD can't offer something that significantly undercuts Nvidia in price and performance, why wouldn't someone buy the card that costs around the same, is marginally less or more of a performer than the next AMD card while being a lot more efficient in both power usage and heat generation, all the while having a lot of nice features available in them? I'm not even really just talking about PhysX. Nvidia totally undercut AMD at their own price/performance game, and I suspect this is because 28nm which has been highly profitable is going out with a bang so this probably wont happen again with the next series. I don't really care about companies or brand loyalism, I care about getting the most for money and not getting screwed over in the process. I actually dislike things like Gameworks although it's never really impacted me, as I think it's a shit move on the behalf of publishers to sell a game to someone that'll often run like shit on a different brand of card because of the relations that they maintain between them and a GPU manufacturer.
Also, I haven't checked to see if DSR is more taxing than MSAA in newer games, but it is more taxing than SSAA in newer games, which I don't really mind. It's effectively as resource intensive as actually outputting in 1440p or 4k, while obviously not displaying them in native.
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^ TR making specific article just to investigate and discuss nvidia DSR.
http://techreport.com/review/27102/maxwell-dynamic-supe...
http://techreport.com/review/27102/maxwell-dynamic-supe...
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4ktv
October 1, 2014 11:08:16 PM
renz496 said:
^ TR making specific article just to investigate and discuss nvidia DSR. http://techreport.com/review/27102/maxwell-dynamic-supe...
Well that limits it's usefulness even more than I thought. Most older games don't support 4k and mess's with the UI layout far to much. Looks like newer games don't do well with it FPS wise, that's disappointing.
If I get a GTX 970, I don't think I will ever use DSR now. I will stick to AA and other more standard settings for cranking out the eye candy.
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clueless77
October 2, 2014 5:02:27 AM
renz496 said:
^ TR making specific article just to investigate and discuss nvidia DSR. http://techreport.com/review/27102/maxwell-dynamic-supe...
Cool article, thanks for sharing. I haven't encountered any of those specific problems other than the scale of the UI and subtitles in a couple and not all games, and in the games that I've had this issue with there isn't an option to resize the UI. I ended up rearranging my living room as my couch was pretty far from my television to even really perceive the full benefits of 1080p+ resolutions and anti-aliasing to begin with. Maybe I just can't notice the blur but I also have the smoothness filter set to slightly less than default, and I'd also presume most people will be applying the in-game AA in addition to downsampling. But yeah, I thought that for SLI support with DSR that there was an impending driver update for it? From the way I was reading that article, it seemed like the reviewer was definitely using DSR with SLI.
Like I said before, the amount of resources required is effectively the same as running these resolutions, and actually I guess slightly more than that so I stand corrected. Both old and new games look pretty amazing with it though, especially when combined with supersampling, and the most of them will definitely be playable at ultra or maybe slightly less than (because even people who run native 4k aren't playing the some of these games at max AA) in 60fps at either 1440p or 4k with SLI. I mean, it's not like downsampling is anything new even if there's now a proprietary, albeit somewhat improved, version of it. I actually have quite a bit of older games that I never played on consoles, meaning 2009-present day, and the all of them that I've tried it with so far support 1080p+ resolutions. I do want to upgrade to a 4k television at some point, but with my usage and need scenarios it just isn't very practical for me at the moment, so this will do in the meantime.
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B-man33
October 2, 2014 5:32:26 AM
ferwindjacks said:
If the 980 Ti is a 50% performance improvement over the Titan Black, I will be waiting for the Titan (insert name here). Imagine the performance on that bad boy... B-man, I would wait for the best of the generation to come out and then make your choice. It seems team green is holding AMD in a check so when they release their 28nm 3xx series, they can (possibly) turn their new cards into a check mate. Time will tell my friend.
Yeah thanks bud, want to see what the AMD guys have up they sleeve
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B-man33
October 2, 2014 5:44:28 AM
jay2tall said:
B-man33 said:
Do you guys think to wait until next year to see what the rest of the big company's can do with these 2 cards? I am not in the market to buy a new card, but just curious.I am waiting on (2) GTX 970 MSI cards. I bought these because they seemed to have the best aftermarket setup. 6 VRM's for GPU and 2 for Memory. ASUS had 6 VRM's for GPU but stuck with the stock setup for Memory. I am not waiting to see if any other models come out, because I can do ALOT with these cards right now and enjoy them for a LONG time. I have a bone stock ASUS GTX680 OC'ed pretty darn well with stock cooling. I've enjoyed it for something like 2.5years. I bought it DAY 1. I will also suggest not waiting around to see what else is coming out, just buy the best model card available with the newest GPU and enjoy it.
I see there are rumors of a GTX980Ti or Titan X type card. All I can say to that is poo poo to you. There is no way on this earth that one of those cards is going to out match (2) GTX 970's at the $700 price point. The rumor is a 20-22SMM/ 2560-2816 cuda core/ 384 bit memory bus monster that will be 50% more performance than a Titan Black. I gaurentee you, that you are looking at a $1000+ card. Even if it comes in at $750 or so it's not going to be worth it. (2) 970's give you 1664 x 2 cuda cores (3328), 64 ROPs x 2 (128), plus the power of 2 actual GPU's cranking away. Performance wise that is sitting right up there next to a Titan Z (2 titan cores on a card) for $700... It's nuts.
Thanks for the advice, I love the GTX970 because of the price and, of course, the performance on this card is really good compared to other cards in the same price range
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George Mulligan
October 2, 2014 5:54:10 AM
17Seconds said:
Oh, and how about the EVGA GTX 980 Classified with a boost clock of over 1400 MHz?And what about the Hydro Copper yet to be released? Yikes!!
http://www.evga.com/articles/00872/EVGA-GeForce-GTX-980-970/#2989
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B-man33
October 2, 2014 6:01:52 AM
I think if I ever decide to upgrade to a new card it must be dual GPU so I have that option of dual display in 4K, but it will be a complete new system, new DDR4 RAM, 6 core intel CPU and a 900 watt plus PSU, I would love to see a GTX 900 dual GPU series card, also Mantle from Radeon, I hear some people is having problems with it? Maybe before bringing out new cards AMD should focus on fixing they drivers? I might be wrong, just my opinion
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Here's some info on the new cards coming out.
Nvidia GTX 960 and AMD R9 285X – The Specs, the Performance, the Price and the Story
http://wccftech.com/nvidia-gtx-960-amd-r9-285x-specs-pe...
Nvidia GTX 960 and AMD R9 285X – The Specs, the Performance, the Price and the Story
http://wccftech.com/nvidia-gtx-960-amd-r9-285x-specs-pe...
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renz496 said:
^ TR making specific article just to investigate and discuss nvidia DSR. http://techreport.com/review/27102/maxwell-dynamic-supe...
Whether it would be something I use or not, it would still be nice to be able to play around with. The tweaking part of gaming is something I really enjoy, trying different settings and seeing how far I can go with different games.
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ferwindjacks
October 2, 2014 9:05:27 AM
Here is something I came across while perusing tech websites. Could AMD be trying to outstep Nvidia with 14nm while team green goes 20/16?
Mostly apple stuff, but they do mention Samsung is manufacturing 14nm for AMD
http://www.zdnet.com/samsung-expects-sales-boost-from-a...
Mostly apple stuff, but they do mention Samsung is manufacturing 14nm for AMD
http://www.zdnet.com/samsung-expects-sales-boost-from-a...
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ferwindjacks said:
Here is something I came across while perusing tech websites. Could AMD be trying to outstep Nvidia with 14nm while team green goes 20/16?Mostly apple stuff, but they do mention Samsung is manufacturing 14nm for AMD
http://www.zdnet.com/samsung-expects-sales-boost-from-a...
What's the chances that is just a mobile APU?
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ferwindjacks
October 2, 2014 9:34:55 AM
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4ktv
October 2, 2014 8:14:39 PM
B-man33 said:
I think if I ever decide to upgrade to a new card it must be dual GPU so I have that option of dual display in 4K, but it will be a complete new system, new DDR4 RAM, 6 core intel CPU and a 900 watt plus PSU, I would love to see a GTX 900 dual GPU series card, also Mantle from Radeon, I hear some people is having problems with it? Maybe before bringing out new cards AMD should focus on fixing they drivers? I might be wrong, just my opinionI would SLI or X-fire before getting a Dual GPU card, but that's just me. The 6 core intel CPU looks cool, only wish they had it for $300 online like microcenter has it in store. (Why do I have to live so far away from it, just why.)
I may get one GTX 970, maybe a pair or maybe I will go whole system upgrade next year with windows TH/10. (I like the preview a lot more than I did windows 8, feels like they ironed the bugs out after all this time. I better get it for free on my windows 8.1 pro laptop or I will be angry because the MS rep in India lied.)
At this point I may wait for AMD getting on the 14nm node. It would be really something if the R9 390x was refit for 14nm, I bet it would do very well on power draw and still kick some high FPS on the score board.
In any case the GTX 970 all around has really blown everyone away and it will take a game changer to really beat it.
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ferwindjacks
October 2, 2014 8:37:56 PM
ferwindjacks said:
Here is something I came across while perusing tech websites. Could AMD be trying to outstep Nvidia with 14nm while team green goes 20/16?Mostly apple stuff, but they do mention Samsung is manufacturing 14nm for AMD
http://www.zdnet.com/samsung-expects-sales-boost-from-a...
i dare to bet that won't be for discrete GPU. and so far samsung only dealing with making SoC. i heard the reason why AMD and Nvidia are stuck with TSMC for GPU was because there is no other semiconductor company that capable of dealing with very complex design like GPU other than TSMC. initially the are rumors talking about AMD Tonga will be manufactured by GF but in the end Tonga still made by TSMC as confirm by Brent from [H]:
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1832335
nvidia in the past make a bit of speculation about going for samsung but i believe that is for their tegra. and that rumor seems convincing to TSMC to the point there are giving more 28nm capacity for nvidia
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4ktv
October 3, 2014 3:44:55 PM
jay2tall said:
Mousemonkey said:
How ya doing mate? long time no see.
I'm still going to try and wait it out for the 20nm cards although the urge to splurge is getting hard to resist (but resist we must).
Give into the dark side. 28nn....20nm... It's not going to deliver an earth shattering difference.
I gave in to the dark side when I got a GTX 580 and then the GTX 600 line came out getting all the good stuff while costing less.
I don't know if I want to risk it again if the R9 390x is only really a few months away. Also saving some coin would be good.
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ferwindjacks
October 3, 2014 4:20:40 PM
Yeah I'm not sure about the current state of TSMC as last I heard yields for 20nm were too low and Apple contracted them for their 20nm process anyway. I don't think enough time has passed between that story and now because wouldn't we hear something if 20nm was being produced for Titan 2? Guarantee no 20nm for 980 Ti, why would they switch nodes before the gen is over. That's why I'm hoping for a 3000+ CUDA, 384/512 bit 20nm node for Titan. But with the fail of the Titan Z with dual GPU and the long interval between the Black and now, I have a feeling we will see the Titan X or whatever before 980 Ti
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ferwindjacks said:
Yeah I'm not sure about the current state of TSMC as last I heard yields for 20nm were too low and Apple contracted them for their 20nm process anyway. I don't think enough time has passed between that story and now because wouldn't we hear something if 20nm was being produced for Titan 2? Guarantee no 20nm for 980 Ti, why would they switch nodes before the gen is over. That's why I'm hoping for a 3000+ CUDA, 384/512 bit 20nm node for Titan. But with the fail of the Titan Z with dual GPU and the long interval between the Black and now, I have a feeling we will see the Titan X or whatever before 980 Tiidk how much truth about this but i heard apart from low yield there are talks about TSMC only offering 20nmSOC. nvidia and AMD usually use HP process for their GPU. that's why there are rumors about nvidia will jump strait to TSMC 16nm finfet (or finfet +) hoping that the performance gain is better than jumping to 20nm.
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ferwindjacks
October 3, 2014 5:39:02 PM
Haven't heard anything about that. It would be interesting if Nvidia and AMD skipped 20nm entirely and team green went 16nm and team red went 14nm like I stated before. This is why I want but hate to wait, next gen is going to start the real war with new architecture.
Is anyone else waiting for some other company to rise from the ashes and just blow Nvidia and AMD away with a GPU? How far fetched is that?
Is anyone else waiting for some other company to rise from the ashes and just blow Nvidia and AMD away with a GPU? How far fetched is that?
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4ktv
October 3, 2014 7:22:36 PM
17seconds said:
How does an Oculus Rift unit produce its graphics? That's probably the future of gaming, and it may be that you don't need a conventional desktop GPU for that. I don't know.Not going to go VR until:
1) 1080p each eye with a good OLED screen. (Want all input lag to be more or less removed no more LED/LCD limits on refresh rate.)
2) Better support by game makers
3) I get to use a good one.
Nice things I would like:
1) Wireless display option. (Cable free would be kind of nice)
2) Built in sim card slot option with gsm/LTE support. (To make calls with, I know that's odd deal with it. Maybe a software sim that I could change from a cell phone to this with a button touch/setting change.)
That's just my 2 cents on it though.
Edit: It doesn't produse it's own GPU power, the rift has an HDMI 1.4 port that hooks into the desktop/notebook PC GPU out put. The Samsung VR thing uses wireless display tech with the note 4.
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jay2tall said:
Mousemonkey said:
How ya doing mate? long time no see.
I'm still going to try and wait it out for the 20nm cards although the urge to splurge is getting hard to resist (but resist we must).
Give into the dark side. 28nn....20nm... It's not going to deliver an earth shattering difference.
Unless one or both of my 660's suddenly goes pop I have no real need just yet thanks!
I would be interested to see how good or bad they are at Folding though, the synthetic benchmark is pretty useless for that IMHO.
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4ktv
October 4, 2014 12:05:31 AM
Mousemonkey said:
jay2tall said:
Mousemonkey said:
How ya doing mate? long time no see.
I'm still going to try and wait it out for the 20nm cards although the urge to splurge is getting hard to resist (but resist we must).
Give into the dark side. 28nn....20nm... It's not going to deliver an earth shattering difference.
Unless one or both of my 660's suddenly goes pop I have no real need just yet thanks!
I would be interested to see how good or bad they are at Folding though, the synthetic benchmark is pretty useless for that IMHO.
Talking about cards going pop, I wonder what would happen if my GTX 580 died from normal use. Would they replace it under the "lifetime" warranty or would I get stuck with a 10.5in long brick?
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4ktv said:
Mousemonkey said:
jay2tall said:
Mousemonkey said:
How ya doing mate? long time no see.
I'm still going to try and wait it out for the 20nm cards although the urge to splurge is getting hard to resist (but resist we must).
Give into the dark side. 28nn....20nm... It's not going to deliver an earth shattering difference.
Unless one or both of my 660's suddenly goes pop I have no real need just yet thanks!
I would be interested to see how good or bad they are at Folding though, the synthetic benchmark is pretty useless for that IMHO.
Talking about cards going pop, I wonder what would happen if my GTX 580 died from normal use. Would they replace it under the "lifetime" warranty or would I get stuck with a 10.5in long brick?
In theory you should get an equivalent, so a 760 perhaps?
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B-man33
October 7, 2014 11:53:53 PM
17seconds said:
Here's some info on the new cards coming out.Nvidia GTX 960 and AMD R9 285X – The Specs, the Performance, the Price and the Story
http://wccftech.com/nvidia-gtx-960-amd-r9-285x-specs-pe...
4ktv said:
B-man33 said:
I think if I ever decide to upgrade to a new card it must be dual GPU so I have that option of dual display in 4K, but it will be a complete new system, new DDR4 RAM, 6 core intel CPU and a 900 watt plus PSU, I would love to see a GTX 900 dual GPU series card, also Mantle from Radeon, I hear some people is having problems with it? Maybe before bringing out new cards AMD should focus on fixing they drivers? I might be wrong, just my opinionI would SLI or X-fire before getting a Dual GPU card, but that's just me. The 6 core intel CPU looks cool, only wish they had it for $300 online like microcenter has it in store. (Why do I have to live so far away from it, just why.)
I may get one GTX 970, maybe a pair or maybe I will go whole system upgrade next year with windows TH/10. (I like the preview a lot more than I did windows 8, feels like they ironed the bugs out after all this time. I better get it for free on my windows 8.1 pro laptop or I will be angry because the MS rep in India lied.)
At this point I may wait for AMD getting on the 14nm node. It would be really something if the R9 390x was refit for 14nm, I bet it would do very well on power draw and still kick some high FPS on the score board.
In any case the GTX 970 all around has really blown everyone away and it will take a game changer to really beat it.
Yeah, I am going to wait a bit longer, I need to upgrade my i5 2400 sandybridge CPU, looking in getting an i7 4790K but I hear there is problems with it running too hot. Reason for getting this CPU is I do a lot of video editing and also use programs like Gimp and Blender, sometimes I also make the use of OBS. Obviously I will need a different motherboard as well, looking in getting a ROG something something for that shiny new i7, haha.
I refused to get windows 8.1, upon purchasing my new SSD, I bought a brand new copy of windows 7 64 bit, reason for that is, I am not building a PC so I can run a tablet layout software with no touch screen or to play angry birds on with apps spamming me to download it... Sorry, really hate 8.1, should of stayed at tablets and phones. But yeah, I look forward to the new windows 10, exciting stuff!! Rumor has it, you can download windows 10, replacing windows 8.1, but be warned it is still in beta with bugs... Or so they say.
I might SLI in the future, I like the idea of 2 GTX770 running in my computer, will see what happens with team green vs. team red and what other tricks they have up their sleeves. Team red must hurry up and launch their new range of cards... I want to see what is capable of... Thanks for the reply.
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ferwindjacks said:
Haven't heard anything about that. It would be interesting if Nvidia and AMD skipped 20nm entirely and team green went 16nm and team red went 14nm like I stated before. This is why I want but hate to wait, next gen is going to start the real war with new architecture. Is anyone else waiting for some other company to rise from the ashes and just blow Nvidia and AMD away with a GPU? How far fetched is that?
this article is interesting to read:
http://techsoda.com/no-20nm-graphics-amd-nvidia/#.UxzZY...
about another company to make GPU.....intel already try that and they gave up. and we know what kind of money intel have. but on mobile i heard samsung considering making their own GPU (for their exynos). but i don't know if they have the IP to make one or will they licensing the IP from current mobile GPU maker but as far as i know most well known mobile gpu maker only license their design instead of directly license their IP like nvidia did with intel.
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