Incoming: 144 Hz QHD IPS Panels from AUO
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N.Broekhuijsen
September 8, 2014 5:56:02 AM
It looks like we might finally be getting some IPS monitors that are also good for gaming.
Incoming: 144 Hz QHD IPS Panels from AUO : Read more
Incoming: 144 Hz QHD IPS Panels from AUO : Read more
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Seems too good to be true and I was not aware manufacturers marketed AHVA panels as IPS ones. That feels a little shady and misguiding in my opinion and should be dealt with. In fact that sounds like borderline false advertisement but I'm sure there is some kind of loophole
Anyways I don't know about this monitor. It's from a manufacturer I've not heard of before so I don't know about their quality control. I await good tidings of response time though.
Anyways I don't know about this monitor. It's from a manufacturer I've not heard of before so I don't know about their quality control. I await good tidings of response time though.
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September 8, 2014 6:28:46 AM
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NocelCrown
September 8, 2014 7:08:50 AM
You might not have heard of AUO before, but chances are you've used a monitor with their panels before. They don't actually make the monitors themselves, just the panels that go into them. Companies from the likes of Acer, Benq, and NEC make monitors with AUO panels. Which is no surprise cause their parent company is Benq and they're co-owned by Acer as well.
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NocelCrown
September 8, 2014 7:11:22 AM
You might not have heard of AUO before, but chances are you've used a monitor with their panels before. They don't actually make the monitors themselves, just the panels that go into them. Companies from the likes of Acer, Benq, and NEC make monitors with AUO panels. Which is no surprise cause their parent company is Benq and they're co-owned by Acer as well.
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haftarun8
September 8, 2014 8:02:14 AM
So are the panel characteristics more similar to other VA panels (high contrast ratios, deep blacks, good color accuracy, but input lag prone and worst ghosting), or to actual IPS panels (poor black levels / contrast, but high color accuracy and best off-angle viewing)? I personally prefer VA panels for everything except for critical image and video editing, VFX, etc. Contrast is the single most important factor for image quality and "pop". It just objectively looks better to have inky blacks, and makes colors jump out so much better.
In short, if this is more like a 3000+:1 static contrast VA panel that's 144hz, has lower input lag and ghosting compared to other VA panels, and includes Gsync (or at least Displayport 1.2 with AMD's universal sync solution), then it'll be the first truly interesting monitor to come out that does gaming while actually delivering a good looking image that rivals the better HDTVs available.
In short, if this is more like a 3000+:1 static contrast VA panel that's 144hz, has lower input lag and ghosting compared to other VA panels, and includes Gsync (or at least Displayport 1.2 with AMD's universal sync solution), then it'll be the first truly interesting monitor to come out that does gaming while actually delivering a good looking image that rivals the better HDTVs available.
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icemunk
September 8, 2014 8:46:03 AM
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My ROG Swift is really awesome for gaming. If this monitor could be modded with Gsync and has a respectable response time I could pass my ROG Swift to my wife and get this one.But if it has poor response and gsync is out of the question, then this monitor will still be 2nd fiddle to the ROG Swift.
Being that the GSYNC DIY kit is only for the VG248QE, and was only done for that monitor because a version of it pre-installed can be purchased and as a test-run for GSYNC, it is probably safe to assume this monitor will not be moddable with GSync, as the other similar-specc'd monitors from BenQ and Acer have not received any GSync kits. I would not hedge your bets on that, personally, given Nvidia's track record for G Sync kits with other monitors (read: nonexistent) at the moment.
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CaptainTom
September 8, 2014 9:47:43 AM
Integr8d
September 8, 2014 10:18:01 AM
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My ROG Swift is really awesome for gaming. If this monitor could be modded with Gsync and has a respectable response time I could pass my ROG Swift to my wife and get this one.But if it has poor response and gsync is out of the question, then this monitor will still be 2nd fiddle to the ROG Swift.
My Christie 4230 4K cinema projector is awesome for gaming too. But I may have to give it to the homeless guy that passes out on the corner of my street, if this monitor is as respectable as my Christie 4230 4K cinema projector.
If this monitor doesn't accept HFR dual stream HDSDI, it'll be out of the question as my Christie 4230 4K cinema projector doesn't even know how to play a fiddle (or what one is).
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Zepid
September 8, 2014 10:53:16 AM
I can't think of an instance where AHVA is marketed as IPS. The only major seller of AHVA right now is BenQ and they clearly label them. AHVA is for sure not IPS. It has poorer color accuracy but greater contrast due to blacks being blacker.
I can't tell if Tom's is talking out of the side of its mouth or its ass here, but I don't like it.
I can't tell if Tom's is talking out of the side of its mouth or its ass here, but I don't like it.
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SessouXFX
September 8, 2014 11:01:39 AM
airborne11b
September 8, 2014 11:45:44 AM
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My ROG Swift is really awesome for gaming. If this monitor could be modded with Gsync and has a respectable response time I could pass my ROG Swift to my wife and get this one.But if it has poor response and gsync is out of the question, then this monitor will still be 2nd fiddle to the ROG Swift.
Being that the GSYNC DIY kit is only for the VG248QE, and was only done for that monitor because a version of it pre-installed can be purchased and as a test-run for GSYNC, it is probably safe to assume this monitor will not be moddable with GSync, as the other similar-specc'd monitors from BenQ and Acer have not received any GSync kits. I would not hedge your bets on that, personally, given Nvidia's track record for G Sync kits with other monitors (read: nonexistent) at the moment.
Ya I know that Gsync mods are probably not in the cards for this monitor. I was just kinda commenting on how this monitor really misses the mark in terms of a "gaming monitor" without it. High refresh rate is great, but you also need good response time and now that Gsync is here, anything without it (or upcoming freesync) is simply sub-par.
This monitor could have 100% color accuracy and have the best possible monitor picture in the world and it still wouldn't matter unless it has Gsync or Freesync.
It's also noteworthy to point out that response time was not included in the preview specs, which leads me to believe that this thing will have something pretty terrible in terms of response time. Probably something in the 5 - 12ms range.
ROG Swift is already 2560 x 1440, 8bit color, 1ms response, Gsync, 144hz at $799.
Unless this monitor is sub 3ms response time and priced cheaper than the Swift it wouldn't make any sense to buy this as a primary gaming monitor.
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balister
September 8, 2014 1:12:08 PM
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2560 x 1440 resolution is considered QHD+ - however some phone manufacturers release phones with "QHD" screens that are 960*540 pixels which is quarter-HD. No
960x540 is qHD (small q indicates quarter)
1280x720 is HD
1920x1080 is FHD
2560x1440 is QHD (capital q indicates quad)
3840x2160 is UHD
5120x2880 is UHD+
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kyuuketsuki
September 8, 2014 2:51:28 PM
If one of these panels gets put in an actual monitor for $300-500, they have my money. Bonus points if it supports Freesync.
The distinction between IPS and AHVA is only important in that AHVA is actually probably superior to IPS for gaming and general usage (but inferior for photo-editing and other professional uses). Like another poster mentioned, I'm actually not aware of any cases where AHVA is advertised as IPS anyway.
The distinction between IPS and AHVA is only important in that AHVA is actually probably superior to IPS for gaming and general usage (but inferior for photo-editing and other professional uses). Like another poster mentioned, I'm actually not aware of any cases where AHVA is advertised as IPS anyway.
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jasonelmore
September 8, 2014 3:55:35 PM
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My ROG Swift is really awesome for gaming. If this monitor could be modded with Gsync and has a respectable response time I could pass my ROG Swift to my wife and get this one.But if it has poor response and gsync is out of the question, then this monitor will still be 2nd fiddle to the ROG Swift.
if i were you, i'd be regretting my ROG Swift Purchase right about now. IPS with way better viewing angles and wayyyy better colors at the same resolution. you know there will be a gsync version.
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soldier44
September 8, 2014 5:28:57 PM
airborne11b
September 8, 2014 6:05:16 PM
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My ROG Swift is really awesome for gaming. If this monitor could be modded with Gsync and has a respectable response time I could pass my ROG Swift to my wife and get this one.But if it has poor response and gsync is out of the question, then this monitor will still be 2nd fiddle to the ROG Swift.
if i were you, i'd be regretting my ROG Swift Purchase right about now. IPS with way better viewing angles and wayyyy better colors at the same resolution. you know there will be a gsync version.
I have IPS monitors for my workstation and the color isn't that much better than compared to my properly calibrated, 8-bit color panel on my ROG Swift. Viewing angles also don't really matter on a desk, sitting directly in front of the monitor and not using it as a portrait or as a side monitor in a multi-monitor setup.
I'm not texturing models or professionally editing photos on my gaming rig either.
So why would I regret buying the current best gaming monitor in the world? I wouldn't and I don't. This monitor isn't out yet and I've had my ROG Swift already for nearly 2 months now. Gsync isn't on this version and there is no news of it being included in the future. This monitor also probably has bad response time to boot.
Then there's price to consider as well if they do create one with low response and Gsync. Is it going to be $799 like the Swift? Is it going to be $999? $1200? Will it be less? Doubtful since IPS panels are more expensive than similar sized TN panels.
Even if they somehow managed to make a 1ms response panel with gsync and they release it a year from now at a reasonable price (doubtful), I still enjoyed the best possible gaming monitor for a long time and even then, the difference in picture quality probably wouldn't be noticeable when it comes to gaming, so it wouldn't even be a true upgrade and I wouldn't even bother buying it.
Maybe I'll feel like upgrading when I can get 3 30" IPS monitors with 1ms response, 144hz, Gsync/Freesync with 2560 x 1600 for $500 each and enough GPU power to push that at over 120fps consistantly.
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Solandri
September 8, 2014 10:02:27 PM
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Seems too good to be true and I was not aware manufacturers marketed AHVA panels as IPS ones. That feels a little shady and misguiding in my opinion and should be dealt with. In fact that sounds like borderline false advertisement but I'm sure there is some kind of loophole
IPS is trademarked by LG, might be patented too. The AUO equivalent tech is called AHVA. The Samsung equivalent is called PLS. They all work a bit different, but have pretty much the same end effect - better colors and viewing angles than TN. "IPS" is the term the retail market uses to refer to these better screens, so companies other than LG use that as a loophole to advertise their panels as IPS (well, the laptops and monitors which use AHVA and PLS panels do so at least).
There's sort of a multi-way détente between the different manufacturers where they take the others' tech, improve on it, release it as their own, that gets borrowed and improved, etc, which is driving the phenomenal rate of technological progress. There was a minor patent scuffle a few years back when LG borrowed Samsung's PLS ideas and used it to improve IPS, and released that as AH-IPS.
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My ROG Swift is really awesome for gaming. If this monitor could be modded with Gsync and has a respectable response time I could pass my ROG Swift to my wife and get this one.But if it has poor response and gsync is out of the question, then this monitor will still be 2nd fiddle to the ROG Swift.
if i were you, i'd be regretting my ROG Swift Purchase right about now. IPS with way better viewing angles and wayyyy better colors at the same resolution. you know there will be a gsync version.
I'm with Airborne on this one, as a PG278Q owner myself.
I can't imagine any reason I would regret my ROG Swift purchase. Calibrated, it looks great. Viewing angle is unimportant as I'm sitting directly in front of the 27" behemoth on my desk. Not sure why I need viewing angles for that. I don't dip and move my head around like I'm using an Oculus Rift in front of it, because my Swift doesn't track my head and it doesn't change how i'm playing the game, so I don't notice any vertical color change either.
I'm not sure why people get so bent out of shape over this, especially for gaming, which is what the Swift, and arguably this monitor, are designed for. You sit in front of it in a relatively stationary position and look directly at it. The color reproduction is more than good enough for not doing professional work. The response time is better, and it comes with GSync, and it beats the response time and motion blurriness of any IPS panel that's out there right now.
To address your last point, No, we don't know there will be a GSync version. We know for sure of only two other GSync monitors coming to market other than ASUS' two that are already here. One is going to be a 4K Gsync 60Hz from Acer, and BenQ is cooking up one that we haven't seen yet. The 4K GSync has already been confirmed to be TN. And we've heard nothing of monitors supporting the new DP standard for FreeSync either, as despite what AMD will have you believe, it's not "free" because the change in hardware internal to the monitor they would have to do for the monitor scaler is just as expensive as investing in Nvidia's solution. It's not as simple to implement as soldering a DP port version that supports it (1.2b? 1.3?) onto a silicon board and saying "bam, now I support freesync!"
By the time FreeSync solutions come to market, and an IPS panel that has a respectable response time comes to market, I'll have gotten more than my money's worth out of my ROG Swift. No regrets here.
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What the AUO monitors will NOT have:
1) G-Sync or FreeSync
2) Low response times (below 2ms thanks to use of IPS technology)
3) Customer support (nearly non-existent with AOC) must rely on 3rd parties
4) one year warranty at best (i.e. Asus ROG Swift comes with a 3-year warranty!)
5) Exhorbant price upon initial release (will be comparable to $800 Asus ROG Swift)
I own both an Overlord X270OC 27" EH-IPS 120Hz WQHD monitor and an Asus ROG Swift monitor and can tell you now that they are both great with what they are supposed to do. I use one monitor or the other depending on what game I am playing. If I am playing a day long session of Diablo 3 with my clan, I use my Overlord X270OC. If I am at a LAN party and am grudging it out in an free-for-all FPS gaming competition, the Asus ROG Swift is my first choice. For now, there is no one monitor that can do it all. Call me when an IPS technology based 28" or larger 4K monitor is available with 144Hz refresh rate, 1ms response time, and G-Sync or FreeSync!
1) G-Sync or FreeSync
2) Low response times (below 2ms thanks to use of IPS technology)
3) Customer support (nearly non-existent with AOC) must rely on 3rd parties
4) one year warranty at best (i.e. Asus ROG Swift comes with a 3-year warranty!)
5) Exhorbant price upon initial release (will be comparable to $800 Asus ROG Swift)
I own both an Overlord X270OC 27" EH-IPS 120Hz WQHD monitor and an Asus ROG Swift monitor and can tell you now that they are both great with what they are supposed to do. I use one monitor or the other depending on what game I am playing. If I am playing a day long session of Diablo 3 with my clan, I use my Overlord X270OC. If I am at a LAN party and am grudging it out in an free-for-all FPS gaming competition, the Asus ROG Swift is my first choice. For now, there is no one monitor that can do it all. Call me when an IPS technology based 28" or larger 4K monitor is available with 144Hz refresh rate, 1ms response time, and G-Sync or FreeSync!
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kyuuketsuki
September 9, 2014 5:28:41 PM
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Viewing angle is unimportant as I'm sitting directly in front of the 27" behemoth on my desk. Not sure why I need viewing angles for that. I don't dip and move my head around like I'm using an Oculus Rift in front of it, because my Swift doesn't track my head and it doesn't change how i'm playing the game, so I don't notice any vertical color change either.Viewing angles sure as heck do matter. Color and contrast shift on TNs can happen with with even the slightest change in angle, and unless you keep your head unnaturally still, you sure as heck do not stare at your monitor from precisely the same angle for an entire gaming session. Also, for those of us who use headtracking ala TrackIR or the like, it's also of large importance.
Even viewed straight-on, I've yet to see a TN monitor that doesn't look like garbage compared to an IPS (or IPS-equivalent) anyhow.
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And we've heard nothing of monitors supporting the new DP standard for FreeSync either, as despite what AMD will have you believe, it's not "free" because the change in hardware internal to the monitor they would have to do for the monitor scaler is just as expensive as investing in Nvidia's solution.Could you kindly supply a source for that? I've never heard, in any article I've read on Freesync, of expensive changes to the hardware being necessary. Otherwise I'm going to assume it's just FUD. Also, the "Free" in Freesync refers to it not being tied to a specific graphics vendor like Gysnc is. Gsync is useless to those of us who have AMD graphics cards.
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What the AOC monitors will NOT:1) G-Sync or FreeSync
2) Low response times (below 2ms thanks to use of IPS technology)
3) Customer support (nearly non-existent with AOC) must rely on 3rd parties
4) one year warranty at best (i.e. Asus ROG Swift comes with a 3-year warranty!)
5) Exhorbant price upon initial release (will be comparable to $800 Asus ROG Swift)
What are you going on about? The panels are made by AUO, not AOC. These AUO panels will go to other manufacturers who will assemble it into an actual monitor. Therefore, all of your ranting about whether it will or won't support Gysnc/Freesync, response times (this is AHVA, not IPS, btw), customer support, warranties, and pricing, is premature at best.
I'm also not sure why anyone is going on about 4K. These aren't 4K panels. It's QHD. Big difference.
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Viewing angles sure as heck do matter. Color and contrast shift on TNs can happen with with even the slightest change in angle, and unless you keep your head unnaturally still, you sure as heck do not stare at your monitor from precisely the same angle for an entire gaming session. Also, for those of us who use headtracking ala TrackIR or the like, it's also of large importance.
Even viewed straight-on, I've yet to see a TN monitor that doesn't look like garbage compared to an IPS (or IPS-equivalent) anyhow.
Could you kindly supply a source for that? I've never heard, in any article I've read on Freesync, of expensive changes to the hardware being necessary. Otherwise I'm going to assume it's just FUD. Also, the "Free" in Freesync refers to it not being tied to a specific graphics vendor like Gysnc is. Gsync is useless to those of us who have AMD graphics cards.
I have not seen any such color shifting issues from tilting or turning my head any angle whatsoever while using my PG278Q. My chair doesn't change elevation and I sit up pretty straight generally, and even when I lounge back in my chair to watch a show, I don't notice any discernible shift when my head shifts viewing angle that way. I do believe there ARE an abundance of awful TN panels that have this issue of awful viewing angles, especially vertically. However I disagree that ALL of them are just absolutely so horrid with a few degrees of shifting that they are dismissed out of hand immediately, to include the Swift. The Swift has a pretty great panel, marred only by the fact it's a bit overly bright pre-calibration and the matte coating degrades some of your color quality, but it's still more than adequate for good quality (NOT PROFESSIONAL) color for gaming. I don't use TrackIR, and I don't know many who do, so excuse me if I offend anyone by suggesting that head tracking is a niche market for a monitor focused on high response time, high refresh rate gaming. (Though, I have heard good things about TrackIR + 3D Vision..may have to look into it)
When the Forums come back online (They seem to be down for me at the moment) I'll edit this post with the link from an ASUS rep about how the actual internals of a monitor have to change to support Adaptive Sync (The new VESA standard in DP 1.2a) as he goes on about how this investment can be just as expensive as purchasing a license for Nvidia's proprietary solution. However, the second point you claim is also false. FreeSync is tied to a graphics vendor. Adaptive Sync, the VESA Standard that got pushed by AMD to get approved in 1.2a, IS NOT tied to a graphics vendor, and the monitor manufacturer still has to develop/purchase internals that support variable refresh rate. You need an Adaptive Sync Compatible monitor IN ORDER to use FreeSync, which is only supported by AMD cards, so it is very much still a proprietary solution, only enabled by an industry-accepted standard that the monitor manufacturer has to implement.
It is literally the same business approach as Nvidia, the only difference is the new standard means Nvidia could have their cake and eat it too by coming up with their own driver solution and adding Adaptive Sync support over DP to their base drivers, leaving them free to support both their own solution and the new standard.
And, to prove my point, straight from the Project FreeSync FAQ from AMD:
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To take advantage of the benefits of Project FreeSync, users will require: a monitor compatible with DisplayPort Adaptive-Sync, a compatible AMD Radeon™​ GPU with a DisplayPort connection, and a compatible AMD Catalyst™ graphics driver. AMD plans to release a compatible graphics driver to coincide with the introduction of the first DisplayPort Adaptive-Sync monitors.Edit: Here's the post from ASUS on Adaptive Sync, their site is still down for me but i found the thread on Google Search, and the information from the article itself.
http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?47219-Freesync...
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This not 'ASUS official' - it's just a bit of background info on the machinations of product development to help our fans understand more. We love all our partners equally and wish only the best consumer choice
Having an 'industry standard' is only a first step. It doesn't suddenly make everyone jump onboard unfortunately. Now VESA is onboard though, things will get rolling, but it will not likely be fast.
Also, this doesn't take into account LCD/display companies are already deeply invested in 'more popular' technologies with more extensive market applications: 21:9, touchscreen, 4K, curved displays etc (remember they are not gamers).
Adaptive refresh needs a ASIC display IC physical redesign, not just a firmware update. This means silicon redesign, tape out, manuf, testing, firmware - the lot. AFAIK that's typically 12 months FROM NOW to get it on our hands (but I dont work for IC companies, so I dont know their roadmaps) - let alone 6 more months of product dev work to actually make a retail display. And that's all IF display IC manuf. decided to update for 1.2a, and not just wait for 1.3 (business speak: If company bean counters ask "why would you pay for two updates, when 1.2a rolls into 1.3 anyway?" how do you justify it?)
Not just display ICs, but LCD firmwares and GPU drivers too. AMD will obv support it, Intel has yet to publicly commit to any of it (go ask them), and Nvidia is (so far) backing its own solution as it is also yet to officially comment (again, go talk to them).
I expect Nvidia has been working on GSync for a year+ before they showed it last Nov - remember they use an FPGA not ASIC IC, so time to market is faster, but FPGAs are v.v.expensive. And 9 months after first show we're only now just getting ready to ship hardware. That's the kind of timescales we're looking at. So anyone thinking any display manuf. will magically pop out a display to compete with Gsync this year is mistaken: my educated guess is that GSync is your only choice until very likely well into 2015.
Short term:
Until further notice we are committed to GSync and PG278Q, as logically it's the only market ready technology. Given our close working relationship with Nvidia, we're hugely confident that PG278Q will still be the best possible GSync LCD on the market.
Medium term:
ASUS is standards agnostic: Freesync/GSync - we will work with all parties and investigate everything (that's no commitment either way). At the very least, this VESA 1.2a/1.3 will give great consumer choice!
Long term:
Will GSync and Freesync ultimately converge? Who knows. That bridge is ~years away.
I'd love to see a standard adaptive refresh monitor that's GPU agnostic (as we make all AMD/Intel/NV hardware), but that's long long term. If you bought PG278 this year, whatever happens in 'long term' will likely be your replacement!
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Viewing angle is unimportant as I'm sitting directly in front of the 27" behemoth on my desk. Not sure why I need viewing angles for that. I don't dip and move my head around like I'm using an Oculus Rift in front of it, because my Swift doesn't track my head and it doesn't change how i'm playing the game, so I don't notice any vertical color change either.Viewing angles sure as heck do matter. Color and contrast shift on TNs can happen with with even the slightest change in angle, and unless you keep your head unnaturally still, you sure as heck do not stare at your monitor from precisely the same angle for an entire gaming session. Also, for those of us who use headtracking ala TrackIR or the like, it's also of large importance.
Even viewed straight-on, I've yet to see a TN monitor that doesn't look like garbage compared to an IPS (or IPS-equivalent) anyhow.
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And we've heard nothing of monitors supporting the new DP standard for FreeSync either, as despite what AMD will have you believe, it's not "free" because the change in hardware internal to the monitor they would have to do for the monitor scaler is just as expensive as investing in Nvidia's solution.Could you kindly supply a source for that? I've never heard, in any article I've read on Freesync, of expensive changes to the hardware being necessary. Otherwise I'm going to assume it's just FUD. Also, the "Free" in Freesync refers to it not being tied to a specific graphics vendor like Gysnc is. Gsync is useless to those of us who have AMD graphics cards.
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What the AOC monitors will NOT:1) G-Sync or FreeSync
2) Low response times (below 2ms thanks to use of IPS technology)
3) Customer support (nearly non-existent with AOC) must rely on 3rd parties
4) one year warranty at best (i.e. Asus ROG Swift comes with a 3-year warranty!)
5) Exhorbant price upon initial release (will be comparable to $800 Asus ROG Swift)
What are you going on about? The panels are made by AUO, not AOC. These AUO panels will go to other manufacturers who will assemble it into an actual monitor. Therefore, all of your ranting about whether it will or won't support Gysnc/Freesync, response times (this is AHVA, not IPS, btw), customer support, warranties, and pricing, is premature at best.
I'm also not sure why anyone is going on about 4K. These aren't 4K panels. It's QHD. Big difference.
...meant AUO...typo...my bad. Regardless, my points are valid in that these new monitors will have a lot of input lag. Definitely enough for serious FPS gamers to skip. If your preference is RTS games, then you will be just fine. But don't expect these monitors to be any cheaper than the Asus ROG regardless of whether they are offered in WQHD or UHD flavors.
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