VisionTek CryoVenom R9 295X2: Two GPUs In One Slot
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VisionTek recently introduced its CryoVenom R9 295X2, a dual-GPU graphics card that squeezes into a single PCIe expansion slot thanks to a thin and effective water block with impressive thermal performance. But is the board worth its price premium?
VisionTek CryoVenom R9 295X2: Two GPUs In One Slot : Read more
[Oct 13/2014 addendum: Visiontek has lowered pricing across its liquid-cooled graphics card line in response to feedback from this article, and the CryoVenom R9 295X2 kits have dropped a whooping $300. We have reflected this change in our writeup below. You can check the Visiontek website for specific details.]
VisionTek CryoVenom R9 295X2: Two GPUs In One Slot : Read more
[Oct 13/2014 addendum: Visiontek has lowered pricing across its liquid-cooled graphics card line in response to feedback from this article, and the CryoVenom R9 295X2 kits have dropped a whooping $300. We have reflected this change in our writeup below. You can check the Visiontek website for specific details.]
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youcanDUit
October 13, 2014 12:36:56 AM
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AndrewJacksonZA
October 13, 2014 1:57:52 AM
ta152h
October 13, 2014 2:25:57 AM
With the 390 coming out in a few months, and being moved to 20nm, this is heading towards severe obsolescence in the near future. The magnitude of the change is pretty large, since it's the first shrink in years, and is purported to be an extensive redesign as well.
It's hard to justify tossing away $1000 away with this in mind. $2000 is even more difficult.
Yes, new technology is always around the corner, but these days it's often relatively minor, compared to what the 390 will be. We don't get shrinks that often anymore. I'd wait for it, unless you have enough money you can get both with no difficulty. Then, why not?
It's hard to justify tossing away $1000 away with this in mind. $2000 is even more difficult.
Yes, new technology is always around the corner, but these days it's often relatively minor, compared to what the 390 will be. We don't get shrinks that often anymore. I'd wait for it, unless you have enough money you can get both with no difficulty. Then, why not?
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B4vB5
October 13, 2014 3:49:36 AM
This card is pretty irrelevant for normal people unless they want it out of spite.
For computation farms and HPC, it's kinda interesting as you can now stuff 6-7 of these cards on the same motherboard and use 14 GPU's for OpenCL programming before you have to pay the overhead of another node in the farm(mb, cpu,ram,psu,cooling components).
The question is though if the high price tag and the high power consumption will pay off this cost saving in the long run, or 7x 290x is the better choice?
Nvidia is irrelevant for HPC/compute farms or at least use to be as they are much slower than AMDs cards.
If physical space matters and cost not so much, this could be a grand choice for now, simply for being able to stuff 14 GPU on one motherboard. SLI/Xfire dont matter and PCI 3.0 1x is usually enough although WS mb's from Asus with PLX onboard can handle PCI 3.0 8x/16x(well 84 total lanes) for high interaction/communication capability, though this is usually not the case in my experience with HPC via gfx.
Of cause you could also pick 7x normal 295x2s with extenders to PCI-e ports but then space and adequate cooling becomes a major issue(compute farms are suppose to run the cards at 80-100% most of the time to justify their existance).
I can see a slim market for this card though. And maybe for 5K gaming for extremist rich people in 3-4x Xfire if that even works and doesn't just falter in actual gaming performance like Linus latest video on the subject showed with 3-4x SLI.
For computation farms and HPC, it's kinda interesting as you can now stuff 6-7 of these cards on the same motherboard and use 14 GPU's for OpenCL programming before you have to pay the overhead of another node in the farm(mb, cpu,ram,psu,cooling components).
The question is though if the high price tag and the high power consumption will pay off this cost saving in the long run, or 7x 290x is the better choice?
Nvidia is irrelevant for HPC/compute farms or at least use to be as they are much slower than AMDs cards.
If physical space matters and cost not so much, this could be a grand choice for now, simply for being able to stuff 14 GPU on one motherboard. SLI/Xfire dont matter and PCI 3.0 1x is usually enough although WS mb's from Asus with PLX onboard can handle PCI 3.0 8x/16x(well 84 total lanes) for high interaction/communication capability, though this is usually not the case in my experience with HPC via gfx.
Of cause you could also pick 7x normal 295x2s with extenders to PCI-e ports but then space and adequate cooling becomes a major issue(compute farms are suppose to run the cards at 80-100% most of the time to justify their existance).
I can see a slim market for this card though. And maybe for 5K gaming for extremist rich people in 3-4x Xfire if that even works and doesn't just falter in actual gaming performance like Linus latest video on the subject showed with 3-4x SLI.
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WilliamChan4
October 13, 2014 4:28:30 AM
Haravikk
October 13, 2014 4:28:50 AM
$2000 for a graphics card that will probably still be lagging behind in a few years? No thanks! Hell, I'm not sure I'd even spend $2000 in total to make a strong gaming rig, this just seems like one of these things that is only suited to people who feel a crushing burden from having too much money in their bank account, as anyone with any sense can build an extremely good system with $600-700 worth of GPU(s), and even that's still a bit overkill.
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October 13, 2014 4:34:59 AM
kamhagh
October 13, 2014 6:31:23 AM
sea monkey
October 13, 2014 6:33:30 AM
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warezme
October 13, 2014 7:19:13 AM
Musaab
October 13, 2014 10:20:31 AM
Intel Core i7-5820K 390$
Gigabyte GA-X99-UD5 WIFI 300$
Kingston Technology HyperX Predator 16GB Kit 2800MHz 253$
2x EVGA EVGA GTX980 ACX 2.0 4GB GDDR5 1100$
2x Water Blocks for GTX980 250$
XSPC Raystorm AX360 Extreme Universal CPU Water Cooling Kit w/ D5 Photon 265$
Total 2558$
Do your math. for extra 500$ you can get dream machine and the total pack consume power less than singel graphics card.
Gigabyte GA-X99-UD5 WIFI 300$
Kingston Technology HyperX Predator 16GB Kit 2800MHz 253$
2x EVGA EVGA GTX980 ACX 2.0 4GB GDDR5 1100$
2x Water Blocks for GTX980 250$
XSPC Raystorm AX360 Extreme Universal CPU Water Cooling Kit w/ D5 Photon 265$
Total 2558$
Do your math. for extra 500$ you can get dream machine and the total pack consume power less than singel graphics card.
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Technically you could, although everything I'm seeing lists this dual GPU graphics card around 500w TDP. This is really almost beginning to push the thermal boundaries of an acceptable delta-T on this 360 radiator, although I don't know exactly what it is capable of in terms of cooling potential. If you had some really good fans on this, you could potentially drop this card and a stock CPU into the loop, but even then I'd question the delta with the one radiator. When you consider that a typical CPU is around 90-125w TDP at stock speeds, you're asking a single 360 rad to be able to dissipate over 600w of heat (potentially at 100% load) just at stock speeds of both CPU and this dual GPU.
That's a bit much. However, you could easily just add another radiator...that DDC pump is more than capable of that.
That's a bit much. However, you could easily just add another radiator...that DDC pump is more than capable of that.
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I do feel that everyone should give them an A for effort at the very least. Wouldn't take too much to turn that water cooler to work for the CPU also and it looks cool. Its too bad that these cards are quickly being out valued by the next generation of cards, but this is easily the best thing VisionTek has ever done so it gives me hope that they will have better designed coolers in the future for all of their cards.
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I think that they did a magnificent job of meeting all the complaints of their rarified-air, highest-end gaming customers. I suspect that with development costs factored in this will be a loss for them, but it will
1) Get them a heck of a lot of "cred."
2) Pave the way for them to yell "first" in the single-slot card market for more mainstream gaming cards. And I suspect that that could gain them significant market share.
EDIT: A small nitpick. "VisionTek's card weighs a substantial 1.564 kilograms." Kilograms ain't weight. Was this an artifact of translation?
1) Get them a heck of a lot of "cred."
2) Pave the way for them to yell "first" in the single-slot card market for more mainstream gaming cards. And I suspect that that could gain them significant market share.
EDIT: A small nitpick. "VisionTek's card weighs a substantial 1.564 kilograms." Kilograms ain't weight. Was this an artifact of translation?
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Musaab
October 13, 2014 2:25:01 PM
WyomingKnott said:
I think that they did a magnificent job of meeting all the complaints of their rarified-air, highest-end gaming customers. I suspect that with development costs factored in this will be a loss for them, but it will1) Get them a heck of a lot of "cred."
2) Pave the way for them to yell "first" in the single-slot card market for more mainstream gaming cards. And I suspect that that could gain them significant market share.
EDIT: A small nitpick. "VisionTek's card weighs a substantial 1.564 kilograms." Kilograms ain't weight. Was this an artifact of translation?
Kilograms is the unit of measurement for weight in the metric system.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilogram
While technically its a measurement of "mass", almost every nation in the world uses it as a measurement for weight since the two are directly related.
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Once again showing how pitiful closed loop cooling is compared the real thing. But really the number of people opting for this is rather limited. I would run a couple of R9 290Xs with blocks and custom loop for a heckuva lot less.
Unlimited funds available though, I can see the appeal of single slot solutions.
Unlimited funds available though, I can see the appeal of single slot solutions.
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WyomingKnott said:
I think that they did a magnificent job of meeting all the complaints of their rarified-air, highest-end gaming customers. I suspect that with development costs factored in this will be a loss for them, but it will1) Get them a heck of a lot of "cred."
2) Pave the way for them to yell "first" in the single-slot card market for more mainstream gaming cards. And I suspect that that could gain them significant market share.
EDIT: A small nitpick. "VisionTek's card weighs a substantial 1.564 kilograms." Kilograms ain't weight. Was this an artifact of translation?
Ah. Blame President James “Jimmy” Carter. He started America on a path to the metric system but then just gave up. He wonders why he was a one-term president. (Sheldon Cooper)
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filippi said:
WyomingKnott said:
I think that they did a magnificent job of meeting all the complaints of their rarified-air, highest-end gaming customers. I suspect that with development costs factored in this will be a loss for them, but it will1) Get them a heck of a lot of "cred."
2) Pave the way for them to yell "first" in the single-slot card market for more mainstream gaming cards. And I suspect that that could gain them significant market share.
EDIT: A small nitpick. "VisionTek's card weighs a substantial 1.564 kilograms." Kilograms ain't weight. Was this an artifact of translation?
Ah. Blame President James “Jimmy” Carter. He started America on a path to the metric system but then just gave up. He wonders why he was a one-term president. (Sheldon Cooper)
It would have been really nice if he had managed to finish the job and it would have also saved countless millions of dollars as well
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IInuyasha74 said:
Kilograms is the unit of measurement for weight in the metric system.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilogram
While technically its a measurement of "mass", almost every nation in the world uses it as a measurement for weight since the two are directly related.
Yeah, I know that it's used casually as a unit of weight, but I dislike sloppiness in technical writing. You should have seen me with my daughter's third-grade teacher when she (my daughter) learned that nine is three times more than three. Language that started in deliberately deceptive advertising is now taught in school, and it is still incorrect.
From that Wikipedia link:
"Because at any given point on Earth the weight of an object is proportional to its mass, the mass of an object in kilograms is usually measured by comparing its weight to the weight of a standard mass, whose mass is known in kilograms, using a device called a weighing scale. The ratio of the force of gravity on the two objects, measured by the scale, is equal to the ratio of their masses."
Where in the Wikipedia article does it state either that the kilogram is the unit of measurement for weight in the metric system? I missed that. Entirely possible that it's there and I missed it, though. Mass and weight are not directly related; the strength of the local gravitational field is part of their relationship. Take a good lab scale and a standard kilogram weight (the reference objects are often called weights) to the top of Mt. Everest and weigh the kilo - it will come up short.
I do, however, freely admit that I was picking nits that didn't need to be picked. For all practical purposes, kilograms can be used instead of the newtons that a scale actually measures, and no-one will be short-changed a teaspoon of sand in a truckload. Just remember to divide newtons by 9.80665.
And you are right that trade is done all over the world in kilograms, approximated by measuring the newtons of force cause by gravitational attraction on whatever is being sold divided inside the machine by the appropriate ratio.
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WyomingKnott said:
Yeah, I know that it's used casually as a unit of weight, but I dislike sloppiness in technical writing.
It's not sloppiness, it's the standard.
In *all* Metric countries (like the one I live in), weight is *EXCLUSIVELY* expressed in derivatives of grams. That is the unit of measure for weight taught in school.
No-one lists product weight in Newtons. it is used in scientific calculations, usually involving physics, but it is not used in practical and consumer terms.
I have never seen product packaging with weight listed in Newtons. It is not a practical unit of weight and isn't useful in this context. Applying it here would be as misplaced as using the kelvin scale to describe the temperature outside. It's not a relevant frame of reference.
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cleeve said:
WyomingKnott said:
Yeah, I know that it's used casually as a unit of weight, but I dislike sloppiness in technical writing.
It's not sloppiness, it's the standard.
In *all* Metric countries (like the one I live in), weight is *EXCLUSIVELY* expressed in derivatives of grams. That is the unit of measure for weight taught in school.
No-one lists product weight in Newtons. it is used in scientific calculations, usually involving physics, but it is not used in practical and consumer terms.
I have never seen product packaging with weight listed in Newtons. It is not a practical unit of weight and isn't useful in this context. Applying it here would be just as misplaced as using the kelvin scale to describe the temperature outside. It's not a relevant frame of reference.
Just wanting to add on to this a little, while the USA still uses a variation of the imperial measurements system originally used by the British Empire in day to day life, any sort of scientific area, including Computer Science and Computer Engineering, make use of the metric system. The USA has formerly accepted the metric system and is progressively working to incorporate it into our society. So even here it is correct to use kg for weight.
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