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This is the new AMD CPUs and SoC discussions temp. thread. Here, we'll be discussing the latest rumors, leaks, speculations, news, reviews of the Latest AMD CPUs (and APUs) and SoCs - mostly Carrizo, Zen and onwards. AMD's upcoming ARM-based CPUs and SoCs (Seattle, K12 onwards) are also included.


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  1. I'll start with a few links:

    AMD Carrizo Launched, Packs Efficiency And Innovation Into Mainstream Notebooks
    http://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-carrizo-apu-6th-gen-processor,29230.html
    First AMD Carrizo Notebooks Coming From Multiple OEMs, With Asterisks
    http://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-carrizo-notebooks-coming-sort-of,29309.html
    AMD Releases Five Carrizo (-L) Mobile APUs, Cuts Price On Desktop Kaveri
    http://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-five-new-carrizo-available,29064.html
    First Look: AMD's Carrizo APU Notebook Design
    http://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-carrizo-carrizo-l-notebook-apu,28345.html
    AMD's Carrizo APU With Excavator Cores Significantly Improves Efficiency
    http://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-carrizo-apu-excavator-processors-cpu,28608.html
    AMD Debuts Its First HSA-Compliant Chips With Carrizo And Carizzo-L
    http://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-carrizo-and-carrizo-l,28104.html
    Report: AMD Carrizo APUs To Get Stacked On-Die Memory
    http://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-hsa-carrizo-stacked-dram,27246.html

    AMD CEO Lisa Su Interview: Confident In Next Graphics Launch, Zen's Success Is Key
    http://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ceo-lisa-su-interview,29327.html

    AMD Launches Carrizo: The Laptop Leap of Efficiency and Architecture Updates
    http://www.anandtech.com/show/9319/amd-launches-carrizo-the-laptop-leap-of-efficiency-and-architecture-updates
    AMD’s Carrizo not on the Desktop? Depends What You Define as Desktop
    http://www.anandtech.com/show/8871/amds-carrizo-not-on-the-desktop-depends-what-you-define-as-desktop

    AMD goes into detail about Carrizo
    https://semiaccurate.com/2015/06/03/amd-goes-detail-carrizo/
    AMD outs a few Carrizzo circuitry details
    https://semiaccurate.com/2015/02/23/amd-outs-carrizzo-circuitry-details/

    mostly the same things, but different takes.

    Don't Call It 'Godavari;' AMD Updates Kaveri APUs With DX12, FreeSync And VSR Support
    http://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-kaveri-apu-update-not-godavari,29196.html

    AMD’s 2016-2017 x86 Roadmap: Zen Is In, Skybridge Is Out
    http://www.anandtech.com/show/9231/amds-20162017-x86-roadmap-zen-is-in
    AMD’s K12 ARM CPU Now In 2017
    http://www.anandtech.com/show/9232/amds-k12-arm-cpu-now-in-2017
    AMD’s 2016-2017 Datacenter Roadmap: x86, ARM, and GPGPU
    http://www.anandtech.com/show/9234/amds-20162017-datacenter-roadmap-x86-arm-and-gpgpu
    AMD Financial Analyst Day 2015 Round-Up
    http://www.anandtech.com/show/9239/amd-financial-analyst-day-2015-roundup

    AMD Announces K12 Core: Custom 64-bit ARM Design in 2016
    http://www.anandtech.com/show/7990/amd-announces-k12-core-custom-64bit-arm-design-in-2016
    older article on K12 reveal.

    AMD "KERNCZ" Chipset Support Is Being Worked On For Linux
    http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMD-KERNCZ-Linux-Support
  2. New ARM SoC from AMD

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  3. Any Carrizo reviews yet?
  4. none afaik.
    from notebookcheck:
    Asus N551ZU Notebook Review
    http://www.notebookcheck.net/Asus-N551ZU-Notebook-Review.142458.0.html
    HP ProBook 455 G2 Notebook Review
    http://www.notebookcheck.net/HP-ProBook-455-G2-Notebook-Review.141740.0.html
    both kaveris. i doubt we'll see comprehensive carrizo reviews before windows 10 launches.
  5. de5_Roy said:


    That reeks of FUD. It does not make any sense for MS to buy AMD.

    Unless they're going for the "it's such a stupid idea that it's brilliant" kind of thing.

    Cheers!
  6. Yuka said:
    de5_Roy said:


    That reeks of FUD. It does not make any sense for MS to buy AMD.

    Unless they're going for the "it's such a stupid idea that it's brilliant" kind of thing.

    Cheers!


    Probably FUD but Microsoft has money to burn and it's the vertically integrated companies making the most buck right now.
  7. Cazalan said:
    Yuka said:
    de5_Roy said:


    That reeks of FUD. It does not make any sense for MS to buy AMD.

    Unless they're going for the "it's such a stupid idea that it's brilliant" kind of thing.

    Cheers!


    Probably FUD but Microsoft has money to burn and it's the vertically integrated companies making the most buck right now.



    My point stems from the mental image of Satya Nadella trying to explain to the Board of Directors how it makes perfect sense for a Software company (that his core business is making software and not hardware) to acquire a competitor of Chipzilla and with such a low presence in the market.

    No matter how you slice it, MS benefits more staying away from acquiring AMD, but still buy their APUs and collaborate.

    If you take a look at Nokia and how MS managed that buyout (which wasn't the entire company IIRC), they did not integrate to their verticals any of the technologies they bought. Just a shield from lawsuits. Or at least, I don't remember anything they integrated.

    Cheers!
  8. Yuka said:


    My point stems from the mental image of Satya Nadella trying to explain to the Board of Directors how it makes perfect sense for a Software company (that his core business is making software and not hardware) to acquire a competitor of Chipzilla and with such a low presence in the market.

    No matter how you slice it, MS benefits more staying away from acquiring AMD, but still buy their APUs and collaborate.

    If you take a look at Nokia and how MS managed that buyout (which wasn't the entire company IIRC), they did not integrate to their verticals any of the technologies they bought. Just a shield from lawsuits. Or at least, I don't remember anything they integrated.

    Cheers!


    There was that rumor of spinning off the gaming division at Microsoft. That spinoff could buy AMD without a direct conflict of interest.

    Of course it would pretty much mean the end of AMD as we know it, but ah well. It's been a long time since a few extra bucks for a CPU kept me up at night. ;)
  9. Well, MSFT has wanted their own HW platform for a VERY long time, they just keep screwing it up. It fits with what Balmer and Co wanted, but I think the new CEO is smarter then that...
  10. de5_Roy said:


    Quote:
    She said, however, that AMD plans to stay away from developing for the personal computer market because of its volatility. Instead, the company is looking to play where AMD’s strengths intersect with growing demand while trying to engender investor confidence with a steady release of new products that highlight progress for the long term.


    Enough said.
  11. de5_Roy said:


    I do not think I can possibly stress how massively that helps GloFo out in the long run. IBM was the only company with ramped production for 22nm FD-SOI, and they were one of the leading research entities for 10nm-14nm FDSOI solutions...especially UTBB.

    The experience of the engineers alone was worth it...now with the massive number of patents they hold, and the partnership with samsung, plus the wealth of knowledge coming from the IBM acquisition. GloFo could be well positioned moving forward.

    Makes you wonder if AMD had held onto their fabs...what might have been...
  12. 8350rocks said:

    I do not think I can possibly stress how massively that helps GloFo out in the long run. IBM was the only company with ramped production for 22nm FD-SOI, and they were one of the leading research entities for 10nm-14nm FDSOI solutions...especially UTBB.

    The experience of the engineers alone was worth it...now with the massive number of patents they hold, and the partnership with samsung, plus the wealth of knowledge coming from the IBM acquisition. GloFo could be well positioned moving forward.

    Makes you wonder if AMD had held onto their fabs...what might have been...

    for starters, amd woulda been able to move to generalized processes sooner without getting temporarily fab-blocked at steamroller.
    extra revenue from 3rd party chip designers.
    more vertical integration facilitating the semicustom arm and ARM. (geddit?)
    at least having an option for custom process for semi custom as well as pc chips.
    we'll never find out now...sigh...
  13. 8350rocks said:


    Makes you wonder if AMD had held onto their fabs...what might have been...


    They would still be producing 45nm products because no one would give them more money to sink into a fab.

    Just about every company with the exception of Intel/Samsung have had to discontinue their own fabs. Entrenched companies with 20-50x the profits like Texas Instruments and IBM had to offload their fabs.

    Even if AMD and NVidia merged they wouldn't have the revenue to support their own fab. That time has just ended.
  14. Cazalan said:
    8350rocks said:


    Makes you wonder if AMD had held onto their fabs...what might have been...


    They would still be producing 45nm products because no one would give them more money to sink into a fab.

    Just about every company with the exception of Intel/Samsung have had to discontinue their own fabs. Entrenched companies with 20-50x the profits like Texas Instruments and IBM had to offload their fabs.

    Even if AMD and NVidia merged they wouldn't have the revenue to support their own fab. That time has just ended.


    Assuming they somehow did not overpay for ATI...avoid the BD blunder...and manage to overcome intel's subsidies, treachery, and other BS...as well as managing to fight nvidia out of the professional/consumer sector...hit mobile accurately, and early enough to be a player, and when Jerry left they avoid hiring that buffoon that ran them into the ground for 9-ish years...

    Perhaps they would have come out of this well enough to be relevant...of course...when you look back at the list of mistakes, blunders, and forces at work against them...perhaps it is a bit impressive they made it this far...?
  15. Speaking of ATI, ATI was purchased at a cost TWICE AMD's current total Net Worth.

    Just saying, shows how quickly things can go bad if you don't sustain success.
  16. 8350rocks said:


    Perhaps they would have come out of this well enough to be relevant...of course...when you look back at the list of mistakes, blunders, and forces at work against them...perhaps it is a bit impressive they made it this far...?


    That's why the fab sale isn't on the list of mistakes if 200B dollar companies had to do it. Even Apple with their massive stockpile won't touch fabs.

    I agree it is very impressive they're still around. Much bigger companies fell even harder/faster (Sun Microsystems) before being assimilated.

    And in spite of R&D cuts they are still first to market with HBM.
    They did a 180 on the cooling front with Fury X.

    It seems we are headed for another IQ war as this video shows. Nvidia clearly providing less detail with identical settings.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBijzEQ6x6g
  17. Quote:
    Even Apple with their massive stockpile won't touch fabs.


    Apple doesn't do wholesale CPU design either. They make products, but not HW. They don't need a fab.
  18. gamerk316 said:
    Quote:
    Even Apple with their massive stockpile won't touch fabs.


    Apple doesn't do wholesale CPU design either. They make products, but not HW. They don't need a fab.


    Can you elaborate on 'wholesale CPU' design? Apple have been developing custom CPU cores for a while, they are as much a CPU designer as AMD unless I'm really not understanding something?
  19. gamerk316 said:
    Quote:
    Even Apple with their massive stockpile won't touch fabs.


    Apple doesn't do wholesale CPU design either. They make products, but not HW. They don't need a fab.


    To an extent that's true, but you could also argue their massive purchases over the years have heavily funded both Samsung and TSMC's R&D budgets for those fabs.

    In some ways that has been good for us consumers, and in other ways it has helped their competition. Particularly Samsung.
  20. 8350rocks said:
    Cazalan said:
    8350rocks said:


    Makes you wonder if AMD had held onto their fabs...what might have been...


    They would still be producing 45nm products because no one would give them more money to sink into a fab.

    Just about every company with the exception of Intel/Samsung have had to discontinue their own fabs. Entrenched companies with 20-50x the profits like Texas Instruments and IBM had to offload their fabs.

    Even if AMD and NVidia merged they wouldn't have the revenue to support their own fab. That time has just ended.


    Assuming they somehow did not overpay for ATI...avoid the BD blunder...and manage to overcome intel's subsidies, treachery, and other BS...as well as managing to fight nvidia out of the professional/consumer sector...hit mobile accurately, and early enough to be a player, and when Jerry left they avoid hiring that buffoon that ran them into the ground for 9-ish years...

    Perhaps they would have come out of this well enough to be relevant...of course...when you look back at the list of mistakes, blunders, and forces at work against them...perhaps it is a bit impressive they made it this far...?


    Short of signing exclusivity contracts (again not illegal elsewhere or can you buy Pepsi at McDonalds?) AMD kicked themselves in the butt. They sold their last FAB in the US just after they launched the Athlon 64 lineup which strained supplies and made it so that they had issues supplying OEMs and Vendor Channels, there are articles talking about this.

    Then they didn't have an answer to Core 2 and tried to ride on the Athlon 64 x2 lineup until the launch of K10. Shortly before they over paid for ATI and had to incur those losses.

    Then comes the launch of K10 (Phenom) which was not only a massive failure on the desktop market but a failure in their once touted server market.

    Phenom II helped but it was too late as Core 2 sped ahead and then came the first Core i series removing the "IMC in K10.5 is superior" debate.

    Then came Bulldozer which flopped hard as well and now AMD has almost nothing in the server market.

    Honestly blaming Intel for everything doesn't work. Intel did not force them to use the 65nm SOI that had horrible leakage nor did they force AMD to release a flawed uArch (Barcelona/Bulldozer). Intel did not force AMD to purchase and over pay for ATI. Intel did not force AMD to sell their state side FAB and rely only on one FAB in Dresden, Germany for their highly sought after Athlon 64 line up.

    Considering their issues with supply I doubt the exclusivity contracts even affected their profits at all. If you are running low on supply how would you even be able to supply those OEMs. If they kept their other FAB they might have been better off and able to secure more contracts with bigger OEMs that would have given them more profits to float on when Core 2 launched.

    So lets just get over that and focus on the current state and future as it is AMD who is making the choices that have massively affected them and will effect them. We hope for the best but I still don't see leadership that I can say is making the proper choices. Maybe in another year we will see something different.
  21. Ok, we're not going to start beating the same old dead horses again. Any comments not directly related to the thread topic (AMD CPUs, SoC Rumors and Speculations) will be summarily deleted.
  22. ex_bubblehead said:
    Ok, we're not going to start beating the same old dead horses again. Any comments not directly related to the thread topic (AMD CPUs, SoC Rumors and Speculations) will be summarily deleted.


    We can try but I can tell you from experience in the K10/BD/pretty much any AMD speculation thread it will always end up with the same debate "Intel screwed AMD, nothing AMD has done was bad".
  23. Well, there are some alternatives ;)
  24. i am all for "directly".
    i am also for letting the old scabs heal and stuff.

    however, let us leave this thread in idle mode for now until something new comes out.
    right now amd is all about rolling out fiji and co. i am pretty sure we'll see some new leaks around the time windows 10 officially rolls out. amd won't waste the chance to show off cpu and gfx card benches on dx 12.

    *pokes 8350rocks*

    there's actually been some new "leaks" from benchlife - i'll address them all at once: those look way to fishy with socket fm3, way too similar to the beyond3d "leaks", some look so obviously 'shopped that their credibility is ruined (even if they turn out to be true). that is why i never posted them. not enough salt and stuff. also fool me once and stuff.

    next month, intel will launch skylake platform - another chance for rumors and leaks.
  25. I have honestly not been privy to anything official about benchmarks coming out...does not mean the leaks could not possibly have come from AMD. However, it surprises me that anything coming out now would be talking much about FM3 since it was essentially a hold over platform, and nothing more, also with the announcement of AM4 socket, not even sure we will still see FM3 at this point.
  26. jdwii said:


    Cazalan said:
    Or just turn down the quality settings to match NVidias drivers. They're playing IQ games again.

    http://semiaccurate.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8749


    I'd like to point out that every GPU manufacturer is going to create the same image a different way; there is always going to be some small differences between manufacturers as a result. But at least we're past the days of obvious EQ differences...
  27. jdwii said:
    Cazalan said:
    Or just turn down the quality settings to match NVidias drivers. They're playing IQ games again.

    http://semiaccurate.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8749


    Does it do this in every game? If not its a mistake one made by Amd several times
    Edit original person said he had a recording error and it works fine also on page 5 i just about started cracking up, conspiracy theorist man.


    Yea this seems a bit fishy. Seems like the guy recorded at lower image quality settings on the Titan X (12Mbps) vs the Fury X (30Mbps) so if you look at the video it looks worse but from what I can tell they look very similar. Also the "screenshots" are hard to use as they have soo much "movement" in them you can't get a clear shot.

    That said, I have seen articles for both sides doing the AF cheat. Last time I saw NVidia do it was a long time ago. I think it was with the FX5000 series. AMD did it a few years back, was accidental or so it is said but it was corrected when it was found.

    The real question is if someone with both GPUs (or even a 980Ti) could test it as well as test a static scene for image quality and not some shaky/blurry scene like the BF4 scene.
  28. Chipmaker AMD cuts revenue estimate, citing weak PC sales:

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/06/us-adv-micro-dev-estimates-idUSKCN0PG2BL20150706

    And there went the past months stock gains.
  29. AMD Confirms 20nm Products Moved to FinFET, Warns on Q2’15 Earnings
    http://www.anandtech.com/show/9418/amd-confirms-20nm-products-moved-to-finfet-warns-on-q215-earnings
    actual insights to why this happened. the foundries' (mainly globalfoundries and tsmc) collective failure on 20nm has hit amd pretty badly. it says 33 mill for migration for the impact is much deeper than that.


  30. Down 15% so far today, though it looks like it's stabilized.
  31. Great.. I just want to see new Zen Benchmarks. I am very interested in what they can come up with. i feel as though with a 2$ share price AMD is close to radical change as a company or a buy out.

    I saw some talking about the Microsoft buy out rumor. Some think that its bad for microsoft. If Microsoft has 90 something billion dollars to spend then spending 2 billion on amd isnt a huge deal. As well as maybe 10 billion more in investment in to AMD. A few reasons i think this is a viable option is microsoft could reduce cost of everything making there products cost less and better then anyones. also they could put up real R&D money for AMD to maybe beat Intel.

    Only conflict i see is Sony. Microsoft will make money off every PS4 sold. but we will leave that up to the courts. I dont think the Idea is as crazy as it sounds.
  32. zen benches won't come out for a while. may be... later this year, around october or later. or may be around intel's skylake lineup launches.
  33. WarCrysis said:
    Great.. I just want to see new Zen Benchmarks. I am very interested in what they can come up with. i feel as though with a 2$ share price AMD is close to radical change as a company or a buy out.

    I saw some talking about the Microsoft buy out rumor. Some think that its bad for microsoft. If Microsoft has 90 something billion dollars to spend then spending 2 billion on amd isnt a huge deal. As well as maybe 10 billion more in investment in to AMD. A few reasons i think this is a viable option is microsoft could reduce cost of everything making there products cost less and better then anyones. also they could put up real R&D money for AMD to maybe beat Intel.

    Only conflict i see is Sony. Microsoft will make money off every PS4 sold. but we will leave that up to the courts. I dont think the Idea is as crazy as it sounds.


    Microsoft makes money for every Android based device sold so making money on every PS4 wouldn't be a conflict.

    The conflict I see for Microsoft is with Intel. They work very heavily with Intel as Intel tends to be very deeply rooted into newer technologies, such as the USB standard, memory standard etc. I doubt Microsoft would want to create issues with them as they have the majority of desktop and server market in terms of processors.

    I highly doubt it would be Microsoft.

    The other issue is the x86 license. It is non-transferable but I would think Intel would sign a new x86 license with the purchasing company to avoid a monopoly issue.
  34. de5_Roy said:
    zen benches won't come out for a while. may be... later this year, around october or later. or may be around intel's skylake lineup launches.


    Funny, since I've seen a few sites say "2016, probably later in the year" for Zen release. A year is a bit early on the benchmark front.
  35. gamerk316 said:

    Funny, since I've seen a few sites say "2016, probably later in the year" for Zen release. A year is a bit early on the benchmark front.

    depends on when amd gets the test chips - which depends on how successful fabs (guessing glofo) are fabbing the cpus. 14nm has been in early production since q2...so amd should have early production chips and benchmark leaks later this year. this post has been a product of a lot of napkin math and a lot of napkins.

    i'd watch out for leaks and rumors during intel's major launches.
  36. There will always be the fake leaks and the AMD "internal benchmarks" that don't mean anything. Those will probably trickle out with skylake.
  37. esrever said:
    There will always be the fake leaks and the AMD "internal benchmarks" that don't mean anything. Those will probably trickle out with skylake.

    +1. leaks will get gradually reliable closer to launch.
  38. de5_Roy said:
    zen benches won't come out for a while. may be... later this year, around october or later. or may be around intel's skylake lineup launches.


    There is no silicon to test still. The ES are expected for April 2016. But considering AMD finances, I would expect delays.
  39. juanrga said:
    de5_Roy said:
    zen benches won't come out for a while. may be... later this year, around october or later. or may be around intel's skylake lineup launches.


    There is no silicon to test still. The ES are expected for April 2016. But considering AMD finances, I would expect delays.


    What is interesting me is the way Zen is being described. It is being described like I would see a Intel CPU. I do wonder if it is based on an older Intel design maybe Sandy Bridge?

    Back when Intel and AMD settled, over the whatever AMD was up in arms about, they resigned a new agreement for cross patent agreements. Basically Intel and AMD had access to each others patents without having to pay or what not.

    So I am wondering if AMD is using Intel ideas to create Zen. One thing that makes me thing this is SMT of course, that is an Intel design based on something DEC Alpha had (much like the IMC and the module approach for BD) but also the "new" high speed cache. Intel has always had a much faster cache design than AMD, even when their CPUs sucked their cache was faster.

    It wouldn't surprise me. If you had access to ideas that worked, wouldn't be sued/fined for using them and your current ideas failed would you not utilize them to your advantage instead of investing billions of dollars you didn't have into R&D?

    Just a thought.
  40. jimmysmitty said:
    What is interesting me is the way Zen is being described. It is being described like I would see a Intel CPU. I do wonder if it is based on an older Intel design maybe Sandy Bridge?

    Back when Intel and AMD settled, over the whatever AMD was up in arms about, they resigned a new agreement for cross patent agreements. Basically Intel and AMD had access to each others patents without having to pay or what not.

    So I am wondering if AMD is using Intel ideas to create Zen. One thing that makes me thing this is SMT of course, that is an Intel design based on something DEC Alpha had (much like the IMC and the module approach for BD) but also the "new" high speed cache. Intel has always had a much faster cache design than AMD, even when their CPUs sucked their cache was faster.

    It wouldn't surprise me. If you had access to ideas that worked, wouldn't be sued/fined for using them and your current ideas failed would you not utilize them to your advantage instead of investing billions of dollars you didn't have into R&D?

    Just a thought.


    I don't think AMD has access to Intel's "how to's" to be honest.

    Cheers!

    EDIT: To add a little bit to it; they have access to the ISA and all, but they can't use the same techniques Intel has developed to actually process the ISA. That's how I understand it.
  41. de5_Roy said:

    Vulkan API - Seekscale (interview)
    http://home.seekscale.com/blog/the-future-of-graphics-programming-the-vulkan-api
    the cpu sutff is pretty promising.


    All I'm going to say: Do you REALLY trust the developer to handle manual memory and thread management correctly the first several months (years?) after the API hits? There's a reason APIs have been going the other way for the past two decades.
  42. AMD/Intel can use eachothers extensions to the X86 ISA (AMD64, SSEx.y, etc), but the underlying architectures are still protected by various trademark agreements. EG: AMD simply can't rip off an existing Intel design.
  43. IBM Research successfully produces 7-nm test chips
    http://techreport.com/news/28603/ibm-research-successfully-produces-7-nm-test-chips
    how long till this trickles downs to other cpa members... if it pans out, tessie will fall behind sammy :whistle:
    /edit2

    gamerk316 said:

    All I'm going to say: Do you REALLY trust the developer to handle manual memory and thread management correctly the first several months (years?) after the API hits? There's a reason APIs have been going the other way for the past two decades.

    i wouldn't write off every dev. and it's well understood that new paradigm will take from months to years to get going. the end results will be worth it.

    @jimmysmitty: the cpu was rumored to be configured that way from the beyond 3d leaks which turned out to be fakes. those fakes have a real root though (which is what made those seem believable). it's amd's seattle soc. the seattle's cpu part is configured like a real desktop cpu. i assume the prankstar took that idea and projected on possible zen based cpu designs. even if the high level configuration as well as SMT looks the same, the underlying design architecture will likely be radically different.
  44. de5_Roy said:
    IBM Research successfully produces 7-nm test chips
    http://techreport.com/news/28603/ibm-research-successfully-produces-7-nm-test-chips
    how long till this trickles downs to other cpa members... if it pans out, tessie will fall behind sammy :whistle:
    /edit2


    That is very interesting news. All I want to read next is "GloFo will get it next year after we exit the experimental phase", haha.

    de5_Roy said:
    gamerk316 said:
    All I'm going to say: Do you REALLY trust the developer to handle manual memory and thread management correctly the first several months (years?) after the API hits? There's a reason APIs have been going the other way for the past two decades.

    i wouldn't write off every dev. and it's well understood that new paradigm will take from months to years to get going. the end results will be worth it.


    More to that, currently Devs DO work at that low level with Consoles. It's not something that no Dev, who works in the Game Industry, hasn't seen or worked on at all. Plus, you can always count on the graphical engines taking most of that burden going forward. Devs would only have to tweak (a lot) and that's about it.

    de5_Roy said:
    @jimmysmitty: the cpu was rumored to be configured that way from the beyond 3d leaks which turned out to be fakes. those fakes have a real root though (which is what made those seem believable). it's amd's seattle soc. the seattle's cpu part is configured like a real desktop cpu. i assume the prankstar took that idea and projected on possible zen based cpu designs. even if the high level configuration as well as SMT looks the same, the underlying design architecture will likely be radically different.


    Zen is supposed to be a "from scratch" approach, but that's never the case. They'll probably take the best of the Barcelona approach and adapt it somehow. Hell, I would not totally discard taking Bulldozer elements into the mix. There has to be something good about BD, right? Haha.

    Cheers!
  45. Yuka said:

    Zen is supposed to be a "from scratch" approach, but that's never the case. They'll probably take the best of the Barcelona approach and adapt it somehow. Hell, I would not totally discard taking Bulldozer elements into the mix. There has to be something good about BD, right? Haha.

    Cheers!

    it's the same good thing that intel achieved in haswell-e cpus - scalability and modularity. these cpus will be optimized for non-customized processes unlike previous times. high clocks and long pipelines are likely to go away.
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