3rd Party Router Detected: U-Verse Router/Modem ATT 5031NV-030

bill77

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I was using the net like normal last night when I suddenly had connectivity issues, and my browser was redirected to a page warning me that a "Router Behind Router" was detected; a third-party router was suddenly detected. No one in the house made any hardware changes or added any new devices, and there were no other internet issues.

All devices were affected. We have two desktop PCs (I was on one), a couple phones, a couple tablets, a Roku, and wireless Epson printer connected like always. I dug through the router and found no evidence of a rogue device within the connected and recently connected clients list (wired or wireless) but this left our net mostly crippled since 4 AM last night (for some reason Google and gmail would occasionally work {not cached, actual live operation}).

I have an app on my phone that's usually pretty good at detecting Ettercap type MITM attacks when I tested it and didn't make a peep during this, so does this sound like a definite sign of some sort of honeypot situation?

I came home today and found that a family member followed the prompts and (most likely) clicked "disable" (in the option below) which has me concerned that a rogue device has now been given permission to re-route all of our traffic. This allowed their internet to work, albeit a bit glitchy. I looked around the settings again and it appears that they had clicked "disable" which unintuitively actually ALLOWS the mystery 3rd party router, but the checkbox in the settings that detects 3rd party routers and redirects you to a local warning page within the router, was now unchecked. (They changed their story and think they clicked "resolve" now, so I don't even know which they clicked. I told them to not touch it til I came home initially.) The problem with that is one option simply stops the redirect to the warning page by ignoring (what it thinks is) the third party router, and the other option opens up the first computer at the top of the list in full DMZ Mode. (What the hell?!)


What is going on? Why wouldn't this device be exposed in the device list in the router? How screwed are we? U-Verse is new to me, and I mostly hate it. I hate the router they assigned us, and am not used to not having full control over a simple standalone DSL modem with a separate router.
I lost the battle when we switched services, so here I am.

This is pretty bad, right? What do I do here? Simply factory reset the router and change pws and all that jazz? Firmware update? Will it even matter at this point?

UPDATE:
Now my public IP address is being read from all websites as well as local scan like a giant mac address?!?
Example:
Your public IP is:
1234:123:12ab:abc0:a123:1a23:12ab:a12e

Service: Basic AT&T U-Verse Internet (6-10 mbps-ish) and 1 Voip line (no TV)

Devices:
- 2 wired PCs*
- 3 wireless mobile
- 1 Roku operating wirelessly (but on that note, the Roku also shows up as it's own access point for some reason, though it always did in the year they've had it).
- Router/Modem Combo (ATT 5031NV-030)*

*Running on powerline adapters, unfortunately. Not my choice, she said the installer insisted.

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Error: Router Behind Router Detection
The Connection Manager has detected a third party router connected to your 5031NV-030. This creates a condition where two routers each attempt to manage devices behind a NAT. This can create instability in your network and affect performance.

The Connection Manager can assign your third party router to DMZPlus Mode. This will allow both the 5031NV-030 and third party router to share the same public IP. Follow the instructions on the previous page to assign your third party router to the DMZ.

If you need to share devices within a network, the recommended solution is to attach a switch or hub to your 5031NV-030, and connect devices from your network to the switch. In this configuration, the NAT capabilities of your 5031NV-030 will assign private IP addresses to the connected devices, and allow those devices access to the internet via the public IP issued by your Broadband Service Provider.

Press the Back Button to continue.

Some of the router log from near the time this began
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o3neonsxt

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Oh wow, thats interesting. Any chance your modem from ATT has a 2nd "router" per se to act as a wifi hotspot? Comcast does that with our modems. Can you see a ATTWIFI on your wireless networks list?
 

bill77

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Thanks for the feedback. As for Bluestacks, I installed it around a year and a half ago. The last time I messed with it was probably July or August. Guess I could uninstall it, but for now I have just been operating for a different machine with a fresh install and took everything else down.

Could this be a DNS attack or malfunction on my ISP's end? Or a remote attack via some sort of virtual device? I can't even run the "DNS spoofability test" over on GRC.com as the site's been down all day (of all days), but I'm fairly sure I've ran it on this setup before.