Looking for totally new PC with that doesn't get too hot

lernem

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Apr 21, 2016
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1,510
Hello there!

I've been looking for a new PC and a friend recommended this forum. He got recommendations for a new one here and he's happy with the results, so I decided to give it a try.

I will use the recommended template to describe my needs:

Approximate Purchase Date: Within 1-2 months

Budget Range: As I live in Brazil, I don't know exactly the equivalence between parts here and in the USA/UK; parts are much more expensive here. Just as a comparison, I have a desktop with AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 965, 4 GB RAM, AMD Radeon HD 6700 series, with windows 7, and it cost me around R$ 2500 (by the time I bought it, I think that, converting it directly to dollars, without considering that parts are much more expensive here, it would cost around US$ 1200, since US$ 1 = R$ 2,00 at the time).
At the moment, US$ 1 = R$ 4. But, without considering the convertion, I was thinking about a more powerful PC than the one I mentioned, being able to play most of modern games (doesn't have to be ultra expensive/run ANY game, but at least being able to play most games without demanding too much from PC).

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming, gaming and gaming! I understand that gaming PCs are pretty much the best for anything (I know that some people use it to run heavy software like AutoCAD, but this is not the case). I'm also a mobile developer, but I know that a gaming PC will easily run Android Studio and other tools.

Are you buying a monitor: No

Parts to Upgrade: Everything, probably even the computer case (I mean the PC, I'm not going to buy new mouse, monitor or anything else; just the PC).

Do you need to buy OS: Yes (I think?) I guess I'd be getting windows 8/10

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: There are some brazillian ones: http://www.pichau.com.br/ or https://rocketz.com.br/

Location: São Paulo, State of São Paulo, Brazil

Parts Preferences: by brand or type: The PC I described is the one I'm using atm. Its parts are mostly AMD. However, I noticed that AMD components heat up A LOT and that's a major downer for me; my bedroom is small and once I start using, specially when I'm playing, my bedroom gets REALLY HOT; it's practically unbearable, considering I live in a tropical country with temperatures, in summer, reaching as high as 35+ ºC (95+ ºF). So I think Intel and NVIDIA parts would be a good idea, since I *guess* they don't heat up as much. I will talk about this below.

Overclocking: Maybe

SLI or Crossfire: Yes, IF it doesn't increase the PC price considerably; if this is an expensive feat, then no

Your Monitor Resolution: 1280x1024 (I intend to keep it)

Additional Comments: So, here's the important part of all the requirements.
As I mentioned earlier, my bedroom is small AND I live in a tropical country, which means it's usually hot over here (consider usual temperature 25 ºC/77 ºF, easily reaching around 35 ºC/95 ºF during summer). With the computer I'm using now, it's unbearable to play when it's not cold, because the room gets too hot (in Brazil, we don't usually have air conditioning, so we use a fan, but it doesn't help much here).
Also, my PC stays under the desktop, in a place with NO air flow (I know, what a place to put a PC), but, as I mentioned, my bedroom is small, so that's the only place available for it. There is no air circulation.
All that being said, I NEED a PC that doesn't heat up much (I know it's paradoxal to want to have a high performance PC AND that doesn't heat up, but that's what I need). A PC with high performance, but that doesn't produce too much heat.
Mind you, I'm not ONLY saying it needs a good cooling system (such as using water coolers), but a PC that doesn't heat up too much; a PC that has a very good cooling system, but that heats too much, will result in all the heat being dissipated in the ENVIRONMENT, that is, my bedroom, making it hot. So I need a PC with good cooling system, but one that doesn't get too hot with usage.
Quite paradoxal, but, if possible, that's how I would like it.
Also, I'd like a quiet PC (no loud coolers or anything like that).
Also, the PC can't be much bigger than my PC case, which is 50x40x18 cm.

And Most Importantly, Why Are You Upgrading: With all that being said, the main reasons I want to have a new PC are:
- I want a new gamer PC; this PC is almost 5 years old and is outdated for most modern games
- I want a PC that doesn't heat up a lot or is noisy
- Since it's old, it's getting blue screen often (even though I reformatted it), performance is not that good anymore (parts have been extensively used for gaming in the past 5 years, so I guess they oldened quite a lot). I'm afraid of the day it will not turn on anymore : (.

(Phew) Sorry for the big post, but some things needed to be thoroughly explained, as I would say it needs some additional requirements.

Thanks a lot for the help!
 
It s hard for me to get a feel for the budget. How about something like this:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-6100 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor ($110.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B150M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($67.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($26.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Sandisk SSD PLUS 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($39.99 @ Micro Center)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($46.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 960 2GB SuperSC ACX 2.0+ Video Card ($183.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair Carbide SPEC-M2 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair RMx 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM (64-bit) ($84.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $726.88
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-05-07 16:32 EDT-0400

A step up from here would be the i5 6500 with a GTX 970.
 

lernem

Commendable
Apr 21, 2016
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1,510


Thanks for replying!

I was thinking something around R$ 3500, R$ 4000 is the maximum.

I wasn't thinking about video editing or live streaming, but, if it was possible to have it without adding too much cost to the computer, then yes.
 

lernem

Commendable
Apr 21, 2016
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1,510


Thanks for the reply!

Indeed, since the currencies are different and the price of the parts is not really equivalent, it's hard to get a feel of it.

I was thinking about a more performatic PC. I think an i3 wouldn't be too apropriated, or would it? I think that I'd like a processor in the level of an i7, maybe 16 GB of RAM, and so on. However, I'm a noob for game reqs; do you think an i7 would be too much for what I want?

Just to clarify a bit more, I was thinking about a PC that would have no problem at all in running Witcher 3 or heavy games like that and that will also be able to run heavier games in the future.

The PC I'm using could run most games at the time it was built (2011), at the cost of getting VERY hot, which I want to avoid totally.
 
Maybe something like this:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($194.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock Z170M Extreme4 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($101.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2800 Memory ($42.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Sandisk X400 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($74.99 @ Directron)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($46.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB SSC ACX 2.0+ Video Card ($308.70 @ Amazon)
Case: Corsair Carbide SPEC-M2 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair RMx 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM (64-bit) ($84.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $1020.59
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-05-08 16:49 EDT-0400

You could get an i7 but would have to go with a more budget motherboard, slower RAM, and a smaller SSD.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($299.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B150M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($67.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2800 Memory ($42.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($26.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Sandisk SSD PLUS 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($39.99 @ Micro Center)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($46.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB SSC ACX 2.0+ Video Card ($308.70 @ Amazon)
Case: Corsair Carbide SPEC-M2 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair RMx 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM (64-bit) ($84.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $1083.58
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-05-08 16:54 EDT-0400

You won't notice any difference in the i7 now, but later on if you upgrade our GPU you might. You won't have the upgraded sound of the ASRock Z170M Extreme4 Micro .
 
https://gyazo.com/76ab6ddc3a7169fbb2e776d58707ef83

i hate this website 1 time it was broken 1 tme my shopping chart was empty 1 time there were 13 items ...

anyways a few things.


- you can play any game what u want with this rig, if u dont like the settings u can always get another graphics card later on when u got more money(like the not yet released gtx 1070, this cpu wont bottleneck it)
-the ram was sold out so you need to find 2 sticks of 4 gb ddr4 2133mhz ram (make sure u pick the same sticks)
- the cheaper decent powersupplies were sold out. this was the cheapest excellent powersupply and believe me you dont want another for your components.

if u got any questions jsut poke
 

lernem

Commendable
Apr 21, 2016
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1,510


But I'd prefer to have a good PC now than having to upgrade it in the near future. So maybe getting an i7 now so that I can stay with these parts for a long time?

Also, are you considering what I said about how the PC temperature should be?
 


an i7 will not give you more fps and u want the best for the budget now grab an gtx 960 and an i3 6100
 

lernem

Commendable
Apr 21, 2016
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1,510
So, I was looking for piece prices here in Brazil, and the config with i7 that you specified is more than R$ 5000, which is too much for me : S (curse expensive piece parts in Brazil)

I would have no problem with getting an i5 as long as I didn't have to change it within 1-2 years. I plan to spend quite some money in this PC, so I would like it to last, to be able to run most games even within 2, 3 years.

If you can assure me that an i5 is enough, then I'll take it.
 

lernem

Commendable
Apr 21, 2016
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1,510


Wow superninja, thanks a lot! You even mounted it on the websites I posted (it's very bad, I had problems using it too).

Also, thing is, does it heat up a lot? As I mentioned it in the beggining, my bedroom is very small, so a PC that heats too much would be very, very bad, because it's impossible to use it when it's not cold. Do you know if it's not that hot, even when the cpu and graphic cards are being intensely used?
 


Then start with the first i3 6100 build I posted. If budget permits, move up to an i5 6500 and/or GTX 970.

Here is gaming with both a i3 6100 and an i5 6500 both using a GTX 970:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJuadijvTSU

The nVidia GPU's are cooler as you noted, and the Skylake i3 is only 47 TDP (watts) and the i5 6500 only 67 TDP. The case is small since you said your bedroom was small. It comes with 1 fan, but you can add up to 4 more.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181056&ignorebbr=1&cm_re=corsair_af_120_fans-_-35-181-056-_-Product

If the CPU cooler is too loud, you can replace it with a Coolermaster Hyper EVO or Cryorig H7.
 

lernem

Commendable
Apr 21, 2016
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1,510


Wow guys, thanks a lot for the answers!

So you think an i5 would be alright, then?

And, thinking better, I think it's a good idea to upgrade the PC later. I have the habit of buying a PC and not upgrading it. Then, I have to buy a whole new one and it costs me a lot at once. If I upgrade it often, the piece prices are diluted in time, and that's better.

But, in the video, the processors reach around 65 ºC, isn't that too hot : S? Or is that the average (or even low)?

Also, do you think a water cooler would be a valid investment?
 
an i5 would be great for every graphics card even for the not yet released gtx 1080.
Also who cares about your build will be less worthy, an i5 2500 and a gtx 670 can still play every game(2009).

Also no don't think about water-cooling. it cools about 7c better and is way more expensive.
the stock cooler that comes with the processor is designed to keep your cpu at proper temperatures but can be a bit noisy.
 

lernem

Commendable
Apr 21, 2016
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1,510


I see. But, looking at the video bearmann posted, temperature in GPU is reaching 70 ºC and framerate is around 45 fps. Are you sure I will not have problems with games in the future? I'd expect the framerate to reach 60 fps in the PC I want to buy, tbh.
 
Don't worry about the temps. Those Intel Skylake processors don't throttle until about 100ºC. Stick with air cooling. A larger case like a Corsair 200R may cool a bit better, but I was trying to keep your computer smaller. If budget permits, your best bet is to go with an i3 6100 and a GTX 970 like in the video. When you are ready to upgrade the GPU, then upgrade to an i5 at the same time.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-6100 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor ($110.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B150M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($67.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($26.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: Sandisk SSD PLUS 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($39.99 @ Micro Center)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($46.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 970 4GB STRIX Video Card ($318.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Corsair Carbide SPEC-M2 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair RMx 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM (64-bit) ($84.99 @ NCIX US)
Case Fan: Corsair CO-9050016-BLED 52.2 CFM 120mm Fan ($18.77 @ Amazon)
Total: $880.66
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-05-08 23:19 EDT-0400

If you would rather have higher frame rates and lower GPU setting than what is shown in the video, then go with the i5/GTX 960 combination. Any major 2133 RAM will be fine, e.g. Crucial, Corsair, Kingston, G. Skill, etc.

 

lernem

Commendable
Apr 21, 2016
18
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1,510


Hey guys, sorry for the late reply, it was a busy week.

Thanks for your recommendations!

So, I am a big Doom fan, so I decided to look at the recommended configs and check how much the PC would be.

It's way more expensive than what I'm planning to spend, here's the config (approximate, I couldn't find all of the recommended parts, so some of them are a bit better):

https://www.dropbox.com/s/62avxddsa1cxn9p/pcdoom.png?dl=0

It's R$ 5040 if paid at once; if the payment is divided, it's R$ 5700, so, WAY above my budget.

What do you think I could change in it that wouldn't impact performance too much, but that would keep it close/under R$ 5000? Also, do you think it would heat up a lot?

Thanks a lot!
 
The loss of the SSD will not affect your gaming performance at all. Keep an eye on the GTX 970 as it should be dropping in price as the new GTX 1070 comes to market. You can probably find a less expensive GTX 970 than the one I chose. Perhaps the one in this build will be cheaper than the Asus Strix. We can go to a less expensive MB too- this will not affect your gaming but may prevent certain future upgrades.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-6100 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor ($110.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B150M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($76.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($26.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($46.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB ACX 2.0+ Video Card ($298.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair Carbide SPEC-M2 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair RMx 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM (64-bit) ($83.89 @ OutletPC)
Case Fan: Corsair CO-9050016-BLED 52.2 CFM 120mm Fan ($18.77 @ Amazon)
Total: $778.56
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-05-15 17:51 EDT-0400
 

lernem

Commendable
Apr 21, 2016
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1,510


But do you think that config will be able to run Doom? It seems that the minimum for processor is an i5-2400 : S

Also, I'm guessing that I would need to upgrade the processor within 1-2 years because of newer games, right?
 
I didn't see your link earlier. I think you are right about Doom. Try this:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($194.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H110M-A Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($53.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Crucial 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($26.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($46.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB ACX 2.0+ Video Card ($308.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair Carbide SPEC-M2 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($54.99 @ Amazon)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM (64-bit) ($84.99 @ NCIX US)
Case Fan: Corsair CO-9050016-BLED 52.2 CFM 120mm Fan ($18.77 @ Amazon)
Total: $840.57
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-05-15 19:41 EDT-0400
 

lernem

Commendable
Apr 21, 2016
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1,510


I guess I'd just change the processor to an i7 or keep the config as you built it. Will check the prices.

Do you think a water cooler would come in hand?

Thanks a lot for the help so far!
 

lernem

Commendable
Apr 21, 2016
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1,510
Looking at the prices again, I realized the GTX 970 is pretty expensive. Do you think there is a big difference between the 960 and 970? If the difference isn't that big, I think I'd get a 960.