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Q6600 Go @ £171 or AMD X2 6000+ @ £110 ??

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September 17, 2007 8:42:50 AM

My motherboard has recently given up so I am looking to get a full PC upgrade.

Should I go for the Q6600 Quad Go Steppings @ £171 or the AMD X2 6000+ @ £110 ????

I have always used AMD but some people say go Quad. I guess I would only need it for games as I dont really use my PC for encoding etc, but most games don't use multi-cores yet (correct me if I am wrong).

Is it worth the extra £60

Any suggestions?

Many thanks!

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September 17, 2007 8:46:27 AM

lets see air cooled quad core at 3.4ghz?? or 3.2ghz dual core? 2 extra cores wow thats tough!

specs: 1.4875v, Vcore at 100% 1.45 with asus anti vdroop

half as many cores at less speed you must be kidding? right? for $100 or less you get future system or you can buy the same amd junk they sold 2 years ago rebadged
September 17, 2007 8:54:38 AM

Isn't the Quad 2.4GHz? not 3.4GHz
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September 17, 2007 9:02:46 AM

abarrett said:
Isn't the Quad 2.4GHz? not 3.4GHz


Overclocking wise, that's why the mentioning of air cooling, else everything has air cooling.

Anyway, even without the OC, the C2Q is a better choice. It's 2.4 GHz (per core) is similar to AMD's 3 GHz (per core), and future games, physics or not physics will use 4 cores (at this rate, maybe future before DX10 native games)
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September 17, 2007 9:25:05 AM

dragonsprayer said:
lets see air cooled quad core at 3.4ghz?? or 3.2ghz dual core? 2 extra cores wow thats tough!

specs: 1.4875v, Vcore at 100% 1.45 with asus anti vdroop

half as many cores at less speed you must be kidding? right? for $100 or less you get future system or you can buy the same amd junk they sold 2 years ago rebadged

You'd say go for an Intel Dual core if AMD had the quad. It's always the same with you fanboys. Always pulling the wool over other peoples' eyes with your fanboyism. AMD Junk.... pfff, what makes you think he even needs that much power?

@abarrett: The quad will help in games like crysis and most upcoming games, but won't show massive improvements over the 6000 in most current games unless overclocked. It really comes down to how much you really want to spend and how much you intend to game, particularly with future games.
September 17, 2007 10:02:00 AM

the basic question here is; Is the quad 50% better than the 6000+... I'd say yes - if you're running software that can use 4 cores (which if we believe intel will be games coming out over the next 6 months - add a pinch of salt and it's more like 1-2 years before you really need it)

Now, the other problem with the 6000+ route is that AM2 is pretty much a dead platform, where as if you get a decent 775 mobo now, you can still upgrade for close to another year, plus that quad core is so far above "average" that it'll last the test of time far longer than the 6000+.

The quad gets my vote... put my money where my mouth is? I'm moving country in a month's time and the PC I have lined up when I get there is a Q6600 based machine.

The other option would be... buy a decent 775 mobo and get a cheap dual core intel right now, then get one of the last 775 quad cores next year when they are cheaper and faster.

I'm not a fanboy, I've used AMD processors my whole computing life until now but right now Intel has it on performance and overclockability. AMD only makes sense if you're doing a budget build with no overclocking wanted.
September 17, 2007 10:08:47 AM

With over clocking on air you can easily get a BO Q6600 up to qx6850 speeds no problem. G0 will get you there also just at cooler temperatures. Randomizer pretending that this is even a contest is the one with the blinders on.

Yes you will want to over clock but that's par for the course when it comes to Core processors, no one would leave a nitrous oxide tank closed when it came stock with their new car.

It comes down to choice, if you want to close every program you have open before gaming(x2 6000) or game when you want to(q6600).
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September 17, 2007 10:31:52 AM

lobofanina said:
Randomizer pretending that this is even a contest is the one with the blinders on.

:lol:  :sarcastic: 
This forum is full of rich idiots.
September 17, 2007 10:37:55 AM

OK - I have decided:

I will go for the Quad G0 Stepping with an Asus P5W DH Deluxe

I know its fairly expensive but, what the hell.

What does everyone think?
September 17, 2007 10:47:40 AM

randomizer said:
:lol:  :sarcastic: 
This forum is full of rich idiots.


Um, I don't know that many people that are "rich" that are also actually idiots. Usually people with money have had to do something to get that money in the first place.

This forum is full of people with half decent jobs and an interest in computers would be more accurate.
September 17, 2007 10:51:33 AM

randomizer said:
:lol:  :sarcastic: 
This forum is full of rich idiots.

Or stuburn no argument go down with the ship AMD supporters like yourself. Which AMD chip can be purchased for 1/4 of the cost of the highest end AMD chip but can succeed in equaling performance after a few seconds in the bios?

Continue to give horrible advice to people telling them to buy dead end hardware, I'm sure they appreciate it.
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September 17, 2007 11:16:24 AM

andybird123 said:
This forum is full of people with half decent jobs and an interest in computers would be more accurate.

If I lived in the past, I would agree with you.
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September 17, 2007 11:38:03 AM

Even if u dont OC a Q6600 (or even E6600) it beats X2 6000 in %90 of cases due to its larger cache
September 17, 2007 11:52:26 AM

abarrett said:
OK - I have decided:

I will go for the Quad G0 Stepping with an Asus P5W DH Deluxe

I know its fairly expensive but, what the hell.

What does everyone think?

If you dont plan on OCing dont waste money on an OCing mobo. Either way I would suggest ASUS P5K LGA 775 Intel P35 that can OC the Q6600 to over 3.2GB's. Why buy a future proof CPU if not a future proof mobo? This mobo due to the P35 is more future proof than the 975X and costs much less. The P35 is more likely to work with Penry and maybe even an octal core next year. Its only $134.99 at newegg.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
September 17, 2007 12:58:56 PM

andybird123 said:
the basic question here is; Is the quad 50% better than the 6000+... I'd say yes - if you're running software that can use 4 cores (which if we believe intel will be games coming out over the next 6 months - add a pinch of salt and it's more like 1-2 years before you really need it)

Now, the other problem with the 6000+ route is that AM2 is pretty much a dead platform, where as if you get a decent 775 mobo now, you can still upgrade for close to another year, plus that quad core is so far above "average" that it'll last the test of time far longer than the 6000+.


AM2 dead ?? Are you out of your tree ? There are plenty of AM2 boards on the market and more to come. With a simple BIOS update many of these boards will support the upcoming Phenom X2 and X4 CPUs. Their is even a good chance that AMD's AM3 CPUs will work with Socket AM2 boards as well. All AM2 boards have plenty of bandwidth thanks to the HTT bus and won't be limited in any way by future changes introduced with AM2+, apart from the lack of split power plane support.

How on earth can you call AM2 "dead" if the upgrade options for this architecture are very promising. Either you're a misguided FUDster or just another mindless Intel fanboy.

September 17, 2007 12:59:16 PM

i would use that money to get a better graphics card

the 6000 wont limit you in any game
September 17, 2007 1:53:29 PM

lobofanina,

you obviously have no prior experience with Randomizer or Dragonsprayer. The comment Randomizer made about dragonsprayer was accurate. Dragonsprayer often spread misinformation or simply tries to sell Intel cpu's when one isn't needed.
September 17, 2007 2:35:29 PM

randomizer said:
You'd say go for an Intel Dual core if AMD had the quad. It's always the same with you fanboys. Always pulling the wool over other peoples' eyes with your fanboyism. AMD Junk.... pfff, what makes you think he even needs that much power?

@abarrett: The quad will help in games like crysis and most upcoming games, but won't show massive improvements over the 6000 in most current games unless overclocked. It really comes down to how much you really want to spend and how much you intend to game, particularly with future games.


I got your fanboyism right in my signature ..... beat that

Or any of these for that matter ..... http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=15...
BTW the bottom half including 3.6GHz are most air cooling.

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Q6600 Table-----------------------------

Q6600 G0 - L727A934 - 4Ghz P stable - PC Vapo LS - 1.425v - ASUS P5K Prem - by -------------dragonhunter
Q6600 G0 - L724A784 - 4Ghz P stable - WC D-Tek Fuzion - 1.62v - ASUS P5K Prem - by ---------TinTin
Q6600 G0 - L724A629 - 4Ghz P stable - WC D-Tek Fuzion - 1.6v - EVGA 680i - by ---------------turtletrax
Q6600 G0 - L726A840 - 3.9Ghz P stable - WC Apogee GT - 1.54v - EVGA 680i - by --------------CraptacularOne
Q6600 G0 - L726A951 - 3.85Ghz P stable - WC D-Tek Fuzion - 1.52v - ASUS P5K Dlx - by --------no_n|ck
Q6600 G0 - L727A918 - 3.82Ghz P stable - WC Apogee GT - 1.48v - ASUS Striker Extreme - by --linflas
Q6600 G0 - L723A674 - 3.81Ghz P stable - WC Apogee GT- 1.54v Gigabyte DS4 - by ------------aspms*
Q6600 G0 - L726A850 - 3.85Ghz P stable - AC TR Ultra 120 - 1.537v - ASUS P5K Dlx - by -------crossg.
Q6600 G0 - L726A*** - 3.8Ghz P stable - WC - 1.43v - ASUS P5K Dlx - by ----------------------njkid32
Q6600 G0 - L724A*** - 3.8Ghz P stable - WC Apogee GT - 1.55v - DFI P35-T2R - by ------------RLM
Q6600 G0 - L723B010 - 3.8Ghz P stable - WC D-Tek fuzion - 1.52v - ASUS Blitz Formula - by -----Ic3man
Q6600 G0 - L719B278 - 3.8Ghz P stable - WC D-Tek Fuzion - 1.6v - Abit IP35-Pro - by - ---------vkostas
Q6600 G0 - L726A849 - 3.76Ghz P stable - AC Noctua NH U 12 - 1.5v ASUS P5K E - by -----------sam95ta
Q6600 G0 - L720B023 - 3.76Ghz P stable - WC Apogee GT - 1.475v - ASUS P5K Prem - by --------cfree1012
Q6600 G0 - L720B066 - 3.73Ghz P stable - WC ApogeeGTX - 1.44v - ASUS P5K Dlx - by ----------NaeKuh
Q6600 G0 - L726A951 - 3.71Ghz P stable - AC TR Ultra 120 - 1.425v - ASUS Striker Extreme - by -cliffy
Q6600 G0 - L723A963 - 3.7Ghz P stable - WC - 1.43v - ASUS P5K Dlx - by ----------------------njkid32
Q6600 G0 - L724A760 - 3.7Ghz (462x8) P stable - WC D-Tek Fuzion - 1.45v - EVGA 680i - by -----nugzo
Q6600 G0 - L719B272 - 3.7Ghz P stable - WC Storm G4 - 1.44v - Gigabyte P35 DS4 - by ---------Xiphias-Gladius
Q6600 G0 - L726A601 - 3.7Ghz P stable - *cooling not listed* - 1.45v - *mobo not listed* - by ---sergmann
Q6600 G0 - L725B057 - 3.7Ghz P stable - WC D-Tek Fuzion - 1.4V - ASUS P5K-E - by ------------dj883u2
Q6600 G0 - L727A934 - 3.63Ghz P stable - WC D-Tek Fuzion - 1.425v - ASUS P5B Dlx - by -------drynyks
Q6600 G0 - L726A840 - 3.6Ghz P stable - WC - 1.41v - ASUS P5K Dlx - by -----------------------njkid32
Q6600 B3 - **(ES)** - 3.6Ghz P stable - AC TR Ultra 120 eXtreme - 1.475v ASUS P5K Dlx - by ---BND|MOD
Q6600 G0 - L723A825 - 3.6Ghz P stable - AC TR Ultra 120 - 1.42v - Gigabyte DS3-R - by --------[XC] 4X4N
Q6600 G0 - L726A850 - 3.6Ghz P stable - AC TR Ultra 120 - 1.41v - ASUS P5K Dlx - by -----------crossg
Q6600 G0 - L719B*** - 3.6Ghz P stable - AC TR Ultra-120 - 1.385v - ASUS P5K Dlx - by ---------rbsmontemor
Q6600 G0 - L723A963 - 3.6Ghz P stable - AC Tuniq Tower - 1.475v - ASUS P5K Prem - by --------ocZZZ
Q6600 G0 - L719B271 - 3.6Ghz P stable - AC Tuniq Tower - 1.39v - Gigabyte P35 DQ6 - by -------3NZ0
Q6600 G0 - L724A900 - 3.6Ghz P stable - AC TR Ultra 120 - 1.45v - ASUS P5K Dlx - by -----------sobol
Q6600 G0 - L727A786 - 3.6Ghz P stable - WC D-Tek Fuzion - 1.396v - abit IP35 Pro - by ---------largon
Q6600 G0 - L727A658 - 3.55Ghz P stable - AC Cooler Master Gemini II - 1.56v - Abit IP35-E - by --dragonhunter
Q6600 G0 - L720B062 - 3.51Ghz P stable - AC TR Ultra 120 - 1.45v - Gigabyte P965 - by ---------vocch
Q6600 G0 - L727A934 - 3.42Ghz P stable - WC - 1.43v - ASUS P5K Dlx - by ----------------------njkid32
Q6600 G0 - L720B013 - 3.4Ghz P stable - AC TR 120 Ultra - 1.375v - ASUS P5K Dlx - by ----------sobol
Q6600 G0 - L724A760 - 3.4Ghz P stable - AC Scythe Infinity - 1.4v - DFI P965S - by -------------GripS
Q6600 B3 - L645G523 - 3.4Ghz (425x8) P stable - AC TR Ultra 120 - 1.44v - EVGA 680i - by ------zodduska
Q6600 B3 - L644G135 - 3.3Ghz P stable - AC Scythe Infinity - 1.4v DFI P965S - by --------------The Nemesis
September 17, 2007 3:18:10 PM

bitrate said:
AM2 dead ?? Are you out of your tree ? There are plenty of AM2 boards on the market and more to come. With a simple BIOS update many of these boards will support the upcoming Phenom X2 and X4 CPUs. Their is even a good chance that AMD's AM3 CPUs will work with Socket AM2 boards as well. All AM2 boards have plenty of bandwidth thanks to the HTT bus and won't be limited in any way by future changes introduced with AM2+, apart from the lack of split power plane support.

How on earth can you call AM2 "dead" if the upgrade options for this architecture are very promising. Either you're a misguided FUDster or just another mindless Intel fanboy.


I must admit, I've been so disinterested in AMD lately that the last time I checked AM2 and 3 weren't going to be compatible, having just checked, latest news seems to say different

I wouldn't however call phenom "promising", it's still kicked all the way back up and down the street by intel's CURRENT offerings, let alone intel's soon to be released CPU's which are already operating at speeds way ahead of AMD's

and no I'm not a fanboy, I currently am running an AMD based PC and have done since I started building PC's 10 years ago, but Intel's current offerings make AMD look embarrassing

if AMD released a product worth buying then I'd buy it, but their current CPU and graphics options leave a bad taste in the mouth
September 17, 2007 3:55:05 PM

andybird123 said:
Um, I don't know that many people that are "rich" that are also actually idiots. Usually people with money have had to do something to get that money in the first place.

This forum is full of people with half decent jobs and an interest in computers would be more accurate.

I agree with the last statement, but for your first, here's a little something to chew on:

Well, actually... most people that are "rich" are idiots with money. Want proof? Most people who are "rich" aren't rich at all-just rich in debt with a high income. Ever heard the commandment "Thou shalt not covet they neighbors' goods"? Everyone in America is guilty of this one (or almost all countries for that matter). Think not? Then why do people buy the new luxury cars when a used one is just as good (but it's not NEW!!!!)? Why do most "rich" people have to have all the trappings of wealth (nice cars, huge house that's not even practical) yet can only afford it all on credit? Because "if you've got it, flaunt it, right?" lol That's vanity, not practicality. Just like buying a $13,000 Falcon Northwest or Alienware-not practical, just vain. It's the whole: "My (insert toy here) is bigger than yours!" It's not to satisfy themselves with the experience of owning whatever it is, it's just to have bragging rights. Don't bullshit yourself-That's the truth. There is a difference and the difference is told with your Net Worth (total assets-total debt). I personally know people who are financial wizards, but since they don't earn a lot of money, they aren't rich. If you were to use the Net-Worth on them, they would probably come out on top of some "rich" people who live paycheck to paycheck making $20,000 a month. And there are more of these people than you think... probably a majority of them because it's more of the "Keeping up with the Jones'" effect at that pay scale.
Remember the old saying: "You don't get rich by spending money?" It's still true in today's age of easy credit and easier money for people with high incomes (but not necessarily great money sense)

Oh, and self-made rich people are rare. If it wasn't such a rarity, most people would be rich. And there's a difference between being wealthy and being rich. Most rich people are from wealthy families where they don't make their own money, just simply take the wealth that their family has accumulated and furthering it somewhat (or decreasing it in some cases).
God, I could rail on this for days... I'll give you guys a break.
September 17, 2007 4:16:48 PM

I was referring to the supposed "rich" people in his statement, being those that can afford a Q6600 and 8800GTX. Which is largely considered to be the about the best purchase point in terms of getting the required performance level for gaming over the next six months without needlessly over spending just for bragging rights (e.g. QX6800 and GTX SLI).

If you consider that a lot of us need a computer at home anyway, then the extra $3-500 for a decent proc and graphics card is a piffling amount to pay to get the best experience. Personally I always look for the best value whilst still being able to play at my monitors natural res with all settings max and 4xAA and 8xAF.

But apparently if you have the requirement of getting the most out of games and not wanting to upgrade processor every 2 years by spending a small amount extra now, then that makes you a "rich idiot".
September 17, 2007 4:22:45 PM

its about how low can you go, spending is such an easy task.

best regards! :hello: 
September 17, 2007 4:25:34 PM

Good lord would you guys just quit and go back to work. The guy said he was gonna get the quad........this thread is dead...........move on..............
September 17, 2007 4:36:05 PM

why? arguing on the internet is funny :) 

I'm 2 weeks away from leaving my job and home country and living on less than $500 a month in a country where beer is $1 a litre but I can still get high speed internet! I've got nothing better to do sat here.
September 17, 2007 6:23:24 PM

andybird123 said:
why? arguing on the internet is funny :) 

I'm 2 weeks away from leaving my job and home country and living on less than $500 a month in a country where beer is $1 a litre but I can still get high speed internet! I've got nothing better to do sat here.


Ok i'm sorry keep it going....................

I just have to laugh at the egos that fly around this forum. Our egos often get in the way of the fact that we are one individual on a planet of over 6 billion and most people don't really care what we have to say.... ;) 

btw I own a X2 6000+ and I like it a lot....... :ange:  So what, it gets a few frames less in games than some of the other high end cpu's but hell look at Tom's CPU charts and it sure kicks the crap out of a bunch of other cpu's :kaola:  Near the top baby near the top........ :hello: 

September 17, 2007 9:42:06 PM

caamsa said:
Ok i'm sorry keep it going....................

I just have to laugh at the egos that fly around this forum. Our egos often get in the way of the fact that we are one individual on a planet of over 6 billion and most people don't really care what we have to say.... ;) 

btw I own a X2 6000+ and I like it a lot....... :ange:  So what, it gets a few frames less in games than some of the other high end cpu's but hell look at Tom's CPU charts and it sure kicks the crap out of a bunch of other cpu's :kaola:  Near the top baby near the top........ :hello: 

Amen.... All that and we only had to pay $160!
September 17, 2007 11:20:52 PM

I suggest another way of looking at it rather than asking Q6600 v X2 6000+.

Question - Do I need quad core?

1. Answer - No. C2D is the best choice, buy a low end chip and over-clock but buy a P35 chipset board for Penryn support.

2. Answer - Yes. Question - Do I need it now?

A) Answer - Yes. Buy a Q6600 G0 and a P35 board.
B) Answer - No. Buy a low end C2D or X2 and overclock; upgrade at your leisure.
September 18, 2007 5:13:09 AM

Lets get 2 things clear:

1) i have building bad azza oc systms for many years - dell copied my 4.1ghz systems and THG said you need nitrogen when i sold air cooled 4.1ghz p4 systems

2) i build systems every week and fast ones for gaming - some htps and some for other apps - my aveerage system is $3000-$4000 and upto $8000

I like to play around here - but - i do know what the f i am doing - i post pictures as many have seen.


TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION:

With 3-8 drives - my tyical system has raid0 and 2 other drives - a app drive and backup drive. So your tyical raid0 sata with raptor game drive is FAR MORE RESPONSIVE WITH A Q6600.

Lets make something clear - when i say q6600 i mean a 2.8 or 3.2 or 3.4ghz system.

I am building now 3.4ghz systems with q6600 you need to use a asus mobo at 1.487v and the droop eliminated by using the settings in asus bios. Research it yourself! or ask me and i will tell you how.

Simply if you on THG and your Q6600 is not running over 3.2ghz with a g0 or 2.8ghz with a b3 you should by a hp or dell!

You can get a q6600 for $280 or so - this chip with multiple hdd simply buries any AMD (doggie) in multitasking - i know since thats all i do 7 days week and i do it very well!















hehe egg cooker:

December 12, 2007 6:34:59 PM

look what i found - pic's

thx for the nice!
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