Is it time to Upgrade or replace 10y/o system?

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Last September, I started to take interest in the PC world. I looked up benchmarks for everything from case dimensions to what RAID meant to how many frames the newly released GTX 1080 could push in the Witcher 3 at 4k. I was fascinated by all of this and I still am. I'd build a PC for myself, but I don't have the funds to do so.

BACKGROUND INFO!
In 2008-10 my dad bought a fairly nice at the time desktop XPS 630 PC. We used it for StarCraft and Ages of Empire with the occasional windows game. I had my Xbox to game on so I was happy (woe is me for my less than redeeming history). I began playing more games, at least more consistently around 2012. We got a 17" XPS Laptop "i7/ Nvda 6(4/6?)0M" that I could play games like Portal 2 or Planetside 2 to on, but because I didn't know about such a thing as "FrameRates" back then, I was happy. I started to notice how slow the laptop was and so I drifted more towards playing Xbox 360 or One games for the smooth experience. Recently my sister and I got Laptops (Lenovo Y700, i7 6600HK, R9 375M graphics(don't work but that's another problem)120gb ssd) for schoolwork and basic use, but I wanted to use mine for gaming. As I was learning about computers and their parts, I started to notice I couldn't play some of the games I wanted to play because I didn't have enough graphics power to push them. Instead of settling for under-par PC Gaming experience, I continue to use my Xbox primarily.

TL;DR I WAS ENLIGHTENED BY THE PC WORLD AND REALIZED MY PARTS KINDA SUCKED AND THERE IS SOMETHING OUT THERE BETTER THAN CONSOLE GAMING.

XPS 630 Spex: Core 2 Quad Q6600 / 4gb ddr2 / Dual 8800 GTs / (Basic Setup as far as I know) / Dual 900p 60hz monitors

A while back (2-4 years maybe) the computer died. We were able to solve the problem by installing a new instance of Win10 over XP. I stopped using this computer and mainly used the Laptop for my daily use. Years later (2016) I decided to open up the PC, research the parts and see if I could reboot it and see what it could do. When I connected everything together, I could get windows to boot, but there would be times when I would get a BSoD but with huge pixel-ated red lines down the monitor. I switched ports on the video card, and it seemed fine after the first boot, but on the second, it did the same thing. We tried all four DVI ports and all did the same thing. I concluded that the graphics card could just be dead, seeing how it is so old. I know that the new 1050 and 1050ti aremade almost for this purpose. Upgrading to one of these would allow my dad to do what he needs to do, and it would allow me to play the games I've always wanted to play on PC: Witcher, Doom, Skyrim. However, this PC is sporting almost a ten year old processor and only four gigs of ram. I don't think my gaming experience would be to great with that, and I also think that the lack of an SSD in the pc will inhibit my dad's productivity. 

TL;DR CRAPPY COMPUTER, VIDEO CARD DIED. COULD GET 1050(TI?) BUT 10Y/O PROCESSOR & 4GB RAM W/ NO SSD COULD HAMSTRING EXPERIENCE

My dad is open to the idea of upgrading the video card, but does not like the idea of getting a new computer all together because of this argument:
"It does everything I need it to (web/office/light gaming) and I doubt I would really notice the difference"

MY OPINION RIGHT NOW:
My stance is even a $450 G4560/RX 560/8gb Ram with an SSD, will run laps around the old computer with a noticeable difference.

WHY I'M POSTING / MAIN QUESTION

Is it time for us to just buy a new computer?
If not,
What parts should we upgrade?

If we should get a new PC (I intend to build myself), how do I convince my dad of doing so?

Sorry for the long post, but thank you for all of the help!
 

Colif

Win 11 Master
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You are lucky win 10 runs at all on a 10 year old PC. If its anything like my previous PC - Dual core/6 gb ddr2/ HD 4570 (original cards long since replaced, it had a 8800 GTS in it originally)/1080p monitor - then the hard drives are probably due to die anyway. My old PC had no win 10 drivers, I hadn't even bothered with win 8 for it. At least it had started with Vista so not as big a jump.

Upgrade: Your dad would notice the difference if you put an ssd in it. PC wouldn't take 2 minutes to start up. At least its a quad core so might not hold GPU back too much. what power supply does it have? if its 10 years old, I would upgrade that for sure.especially if you want a 1050ti - you would want to research if the GPU actually works on your motherboard

New: You will notice more of an improvement getting new PC than just adding ssd/GPU to old one. Comes a time everything else will hold back any new parts. He may only use it for emails and web and light gaming but it will be so much more capable of all that. I got mine 2 years ago and it still feels fast, the jump was amazing really. Things have changed in 10 years.

That and you could upgrade one thing on old and suddenly another stops. Parts on motherboard start to fail around that age, my hdd was losing space faster than I was using it. IT gets to a stage its cheaper to buy a new PC than replace the old parts
 

Aeacus

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I suggest getting new PC, mostly because how old the old PC is.

When to talk about numbers then here are few builds to consider:

1st build: Ideal for office use and web browsing.
(Note: Doesn't have OS since for web browsing you can use Linux as well, which costs $0.)

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Pentium G4560 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor ($59.99 @ B&H)
Motherboard: MSI - B250M PRO-VDH Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($69.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Crucial - Ballistix Sport LT 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($63.85 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($107.88 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($48.33 @ OutletPC)
Case: BitFenix - Nova ATX Mid Tower Case ($56.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - S12II 430W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($39.89 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus - DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($18.69 @ OutletPC)
Wireless Network Adapter: Gigabyte - GC-WB867D-I REV 4.2 PCI-Express x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter ($29.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $495.60
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-05-20 06:11 EDT-0400

Few words

While this build is intended for office use, you can game on it too if you put GTX 1050 Ti into it which costs between $120 and $160,
pcpp: https://pcpartpicker.com/products/video-card/#c=380&sort=a8

2nd build: Low-end 1080p gaming build.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Pentium G4620 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor ($92.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI - B250M PRO-VDH Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($69.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill - NT Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($62.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($107.88 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1060 3GB 3GB ARMOR OCV1 Video Card ($187.98 @ Newegg)
Case: BitFenix - Nova ATX Mid Tower Case ($56.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - S12II 430W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($39.89 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus - DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($18.69 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($87.89 @ OutletPC)
Wireless Network Adapter: Gigabyte - GC-WB867D-I REV 4.2 PCI-Express x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter ($29.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $755.17
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-05-20 06:14 EDT-0400

Few words

This build is upgraded version of previous build. While it hasn't HDD for data storage, it has GTX 1060 3GB for 1080p gaming and OS. CPU in it is weak for proper 1080p gaming but it will do for time being.

3rd build: Medium-end 1080p gaming build.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-7500 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($188.49 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI - B250 GAMING M3 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($112.33 @ OutletPC)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($117.88 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($107.88 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($48.33 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1060 3GB 3GB GAMING X 3G Video Card ($199.99 @ Amazon)
Case: BitFenix - Nova ATX Mid Tower Case ($56.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - G 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($58.98 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus - DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($18.69 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($87.89 @ OutletPC)
Total: $997.45
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-05-20 06:17 EDT-0400

Few words

Compared to the 1st build, this build has better: CPU, MoBo, RAM, GPU and PSU. Build also comes with OS but it doesn't have wi-fi card. With this build, you can game with high/ultra settings @ 1080p with solid 60+ FPS.

4th build: Enthusiast 1080p gaming.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-7600K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC - Freezer i32 CPU Cooler ($33.57 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI - Z270 GAMING M5 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($173.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($126.59 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($107.88 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($48.33 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI - Radeon RX 580 8GB GAMING X Video Card ($244.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Corsair - 450D ATX Mid Tower Case ($99.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($76.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Optical Drive: Asus - DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($18.69 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($87.89 @ OutletPC)
Wireless Network Adapter: Gigabyte - GC-WB867D-I REV 4.2 PCI-Express x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter ($29.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $1278.89
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-05-20 06:34 EDT-0400

Few words

This high-end build is for PC enthusiasts who love to overclock their CPU, GPU and RAM. Build also has solid components for future upgrades, e.g CPU to i7-7700K, GPU to GTX 1070 for 1440p (2K) gaming and RAM from 16GB to 32GB.

I believe the 4 above builds do help you to decide when going with a new build by giving you an idea about today's standards with PC hardware prices.

As far as convincing your dad about new PC, you can tell him that if you buy your components separately then you'll get the best price to performance ratio. Since all prebuilt PCs are overpriced.