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Built a PC over the last few weeks and I've come to find out, apparently the CPU and Mobo combo are no where near relevant today.

My question is- Do I need to rush back to the store and attempt to return my CPU? Or will this combination be fine for 1080p games until I can truly decide (and come up with the money) to buy a solid mid range CPU & Mobo combination?

Build:
CPU: AMD FX-8350
Motherboard: ASUS m5a78L-M PLUS/USB3
Ram: 8Gb (2x4Gb) sticks of EVGA 1866MHz
GPU: ASUS GTX 1060 6Gb
PSU: Corsair CX850M
Case: Corsair 100r

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Unfortunately,i just looked and i'm fairly sure there is no returning the CPU because its opened and working with no defects
and the Mobo is unreturnable because I had to use the labels for a mail in rebate : ( .... i guess i'll have to learn my lesson and research first : I
CPU and Mobo came as a combo
I paid 27 for the Mobo and 100 for the CPU... so 127 total, the bright side is that they were discounted and on sale... that should have thrown up a red flag for me...
 
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There's not much you can do about your CPU because with FX-8350, you have 0 upgrade paths. The best CPU for your AM3+ socket MoBo is FX-9590 but going with it isn't worth the hassle.
FX-8350 vs FX-9590 comparison: http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-FX-8350-vs-AMD-FX-9590/1489vs1812

While FX-8350 has poor performance according to the today's standards, it may do for time being. Though, for gaming, the entry-level Intel G4560 is better and a lot cheaper too,
comparison: http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-FX-8350-vs-Intel-Pentium-G4560/1489vs3892

Best part with G4560 is that your CPU has plenty of upgrade paths, e.g i3-7300, i5-7600 or even i7-7700.

Here's what you'd be looking at if you want to get your system more up-to-the-date,

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Pentium G4560 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor ($78.87 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI - B250M PRO-VDH Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($64.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($69.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $213.85
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-08-10 22:45 EDT-0400

While you can use all the other components from your current build (GPU, storage drives, PSU, case), you'll be also needing new Windows license.
 
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By 127, do you mean USD? If so, then it is not that bad, considering the price of Ryzen 1600 is 210$, + ~75$ for motherboard.

Still, next time make a research and only then purchase. The AM3 socket is dead, and the DDR3 ram is no longer supported by the new motherboards, so when the time comes, you will have to replace cpu, motherboard, and ram.
 
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A+++ Response Man I really appreciate that's the path I'll be taking thanks to you!

I have some other questions, u seem to know a lot about this stuff!
- How bad of a bottleneck do you see the CPU having on the GPU
- What is the best step up from the G4560
Thanks!
 
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Hey Nha15,
I don't have the exact same build that you are planning to go for though I have something somewhat similar. I have an Intel Pentium G4560 and Gigabyte Geforce GTX 1050 2GB. I have no bottlenecks (and quite low CPU usage) at 1080p playing games like Overwatch, CS:GO, Middle-Earth Shadow of Mordor, Rainbow Six Siege, and Civilization V. However, the 6GB version of the GTX 1060 is a fair bit more powerful than the GTX 1050 and will likely be bottlenecked fairly badly. If you're looking for a temporary, partial, and inexpensive solution to your bottleneck, the Pentium G4560 should be a fair bit better than the FX 8350. However, moving up to something like and i5 7600k or a Ryzen 5 1600 will not only completely eliminate your bottleneck, but also potentially cover a future upgrade path.

P.S. My build is:
CPU: Intel Pentium G4560
Motherboard: ASRock H110M-HDS
RAM: 8GB (1x8GB) Corsair DDR4 2133MHz
GPU: Gigabyte Geforce GTX 1050 2GB
PSU: EVGA 430w 80+ Bronze
Case: DIY PC MA01-G
 
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Thanks for the response! I will be considering my options!
 
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You're welcome. :)

While G4560 is entry level CPU with 2 cores and 4 threads, bottleneck may happen in CPU intensive games (e.g Cities: Skylines). Since it completely depends on a game, you may see different results (FPS) in different games. But in general, gameplay with medium settings @ 1080p with G4560 and GTX 1060 is smooth enough (60+ FPS). Since G4560 has hyperthreading, it helps to alleviate bottlenecks.

For CPU upgrade after G4560, you can go with core i5 CPUs with 4 cores and 4 threads, e.g i5-7400, i5-7500, i5-7600. There's little difference between the three CPUs while i5-7500 is most preferred CPU for gaming PCs.

i5-7400 vs i5-7500: http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-7400-vs-Intel-Core-i5-7500/3886vs3648
i5-7500 vs i5-7600: http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-7500-vs-Intel-Core-i5-7600/3648vs3890
i5-7400 vs i5-7600: http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-7400-vs-Intel-Core-i5-7600/3886vs3890

For core i5, go with the CPU that fits your budget.

i7-7700 is basically i5-7600 with hyperthreading (4 cores, 8 threads). It's great for multi-core performance (e.g video rendering, streaming) but it also comes with a steeper price than core i5 CPUs,
comparison: http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-7600-vs-Intel-Core-i7-7700/3890vs3887
pcpp: https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/qnM323,QbGj4D,3pWrxr,9mRFf7/
 
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Yeah, I wouldn't build that in this day and age. I retired my oc'ed FX-8320 from gaming duty for a Ryzen system, and even with my aging GTX 970, it's a world of difference.

A Ryzen-1200/1300X system might be worth consideration over the G4560 if you can stretch the budget a little more. More cores, excellent price, and they're fairly good overclockers.
 
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While Ryzen 3 1200 does compete with Intel G4560 by having better quad- and multi-core performance, G4560 has a bit better single-core performance (helpful in all tasks that use only one core, e.g browsing the web),
comparison: https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/TX4NnQ,8gKhP6/

The downside of Ryzen 3 1200 is that it costs more than G4560,
pcpp: https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/TX4NnQ,8gKhP6/

And the biggest letdown of all Ryzen CPUs is that none of them come with on-board graphics and one must use dedicated GPU in the system all the time to run Ryzen build. While on-board graphics is mostly unused in any system, it's extremely helpful to troubleshoot hardware issues. E.g testing if your dedicated GPU is dead or not.
 
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Thanks for the reply!
 
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Thanks again! Another couple of quick questions, I'm about to place my order on a GTX 1060 6Gb, but now I'm second guessing if the ASUS model is the best one... Do you have any idea or opinion on which model is the better choice? Also do you know if I can get the most out of my CPU for now by overclocking it for the gtx 1060? Will my mobo allow me to overclock?
 
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YOUR MOBO'S MADE OF POOPS D:

will this combination be fine for 1080p games?
Please define fine. ULTRA 60+ 1080p everywhere? I don't know.
Otherwise youtube shows stock 8350, 1060 6g and 4x2 1866 do fine

me no expert, so the worst advice would be to replace it asap with fancy one on 970 chipset(urs on 760) and give your pc some OC loving
it just bothers me that CPU says 125w TDP and mobo say up to 125w
you did not mention CPU cooler

 
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Thanks for the reply! Wraith cooler on the CPU ( In my opinion a VERY SOLID stock cooler, looks and performance)
Ya...wish I went a different route for a starter build, but can't change it now. I'll go for a nice Intel upgrade path next time around, with a motherboard that can overclock of corse.
 
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If you don't know which brand GTX 1060 to go for, here's a great article that helps you to decide,
link: https://gpunerd.com/guides/best-gtx-1060-brand

I prefer MSI Gaming series GPUs. In my Skylake build (full specs with pics in my sig), i have MSI GTX 1060 Gaming X 3G GPU. And i can assure that MSI Gaming series GPUs really have best cooling (thanks to the Torx 2.0 fans) with quietest operation (Zero Frozr feature) as stated in the article. The black & red theme MSI Gaming series GPUs have is also nice to look at and when you have black & red build theme (as i have with my Skylake build), the GPU suits perfectly with the PC's theme. Though, MSI Gaming series GPUs are usually quite expensive, compared to the other GTX 1060s,
pcpp: https://pcpartpicker.com/products/video-card/#c=373&sort=price

As far as CPU OC goes with Intel, you'll need Z270 chipset MoBo for it. The B250 chipset MoBo i linked above doesn't support CPU OC but at that time, i didn't know if you needed CPU OC or not. So, i went with non-OC MoBo.
Here are all Z270 chipset MoBos with 4 RAM slots for easier RAM upgrade in the future,
pcpp: https://pcpartpicker.com/products/motherboard/#c=119&sort=price&L=4&N=4,16

Though, if you go with Z270 chipset MoBo then only Intel CPUs that support OC are K-series CPUs, e.g i3-7350K, i5-7600K and i7-7700K. Of course, Z270 chipset MoBo also supports all Skylake family CPUs. Overclockable ones are i5-6600K and i7-6700K. (I got i5-6600K in my Skylake build.)
 
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Are you aware if my current asus Mobo will allow me to overclock the CPU?
 
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Thank You
 
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Not much. Very poor VRM design/cooling on that board. Aim a fan at the VRMs if possible, but I doubt that it will go much beyond stock speed without heating up enormously.
 
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Wanted to throw in my 2 cents here as I personally have an 8350 currently in operation (bought it about 5 years ago). So far, I am not having any performance problems with the 8350, and that's with gaming, video editing, and business book keeping. I have not been disappointed with it. That being said, I bought it 5 years ago and am probably past due for an upgrade, but I've yet to run into any operating issues and am still playing games that are recently being released.

Summary of my current build (5 years old):

FX-8350
Corsair Liquid Cooling (Don't know model as I"m at work not home, but it is a dual fan setup)
16 GB DDR 3 RAM - 1866 Ghz
2x MSI R9 380 Gaming 4G Video Cards set up with Crossfire (only 1 enabled currently and rarely have needed the 2nd)
 
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Thanks! Very Interesting! Well I guess that makes me feel a little better about purchasing a 5 year old CPU&Mobo combo. How is your FPS on max settings in most games?
 
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Let's be straight here

The 8350 isn't by any means an awful CPU , you can game on it fine , it won't hit 60fos all the time & it will hold a 1060 6gb back a fair bit.
However you will be able to pretty much max graphics settings with no fps loss than you have at medium or high.

The downer here though - that motherboard is simply not good enough to handle an 8350 at all.
You may have some success simply because you have the wraith cooler which offers a decent amount if vrm cooling.

Ignore the guy further up , you should not attempt any kind of overclocking with that board combo

If anything I'd probably disable turbo core & down clock to 3.8ghz to play it safe.

 
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