My first time building a computer, is this a good part list?

[michaelzscott6969]

- CPU: Ryzen 5 1600
- Cooler: Corsair H60
- MB: Asus STRIX B350-F
- Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 8GB (2x4)
- Storage: Sandisk 240 GB SSD; WD 1 TB Hard Drive
- Video Card: EVGA Geforce GTX 1050 Ti
- Power Supply: EVGA 450 W Fully-Modular
- Case: Fractal Design Define C TG

This is my first build. Is this a good part list for someone looking to do light amounts of gaming.

 

[n0ns3ns3]

there is no mentioning of the video card model
generally, replace the H60 with decent air cooler and you are fine with the list.

 

[michaelzscott6969]

there is no mentioning of the video card model
generally, replace the H60 with decent air cooler and you are fine with the list.

hahahaa fixed the typo my bad. Thank you though

 

[10tacle]

Actually there is nothing wrong with the H60 unless extreme overclocking is wanted, and as everyone knows, the Ryzens are not strong overclockers, so the point is moot. If I were going for an Intel i5 8600k for example and overclock it to the max, then I'd get a better AIO cooler.

Regarding the GPU, I think that's really your weak link. I'd strongly recommend pushing it up to a 1060 (6GB) if your budget can handle it. More and more games are demanding close to or exceeding 4GB VRAM use these days, even at 1080p. The unfortunate thing is that the 6GB 1060s are still in short supply thanks to miners. I was able to find this 6GB EVGA single fan variant however from the US vendor B&H Photo for $260, or $240 with a MIR:

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1267099-REG/evga_06g_p4_6163_kr_geforce_gtx_1060_sc.html

 

[n0ns3ns3]

^ the wrong with H60 (as with any AiO) is price to performance and noise ratio.
a 40$ air cooler will do same or better job at lower noise. not to mention reliability.

 

[10tacle]

I disagree on the sound. The H60 not that much louder than a the quietest high end cooler there is: the NH-D15:

https://images.hardocp.com/images/articles/14167104632XVfoTt22i_3_4.png

But for performance, yes, there are similar air coolers for less money starting with Cryorig's H7 but they can be hard to find outside of the North American market. One thing about tower coolers is that you always have to check out your memory's height clearance. That's never an issue with an AIO.

 

[n0ns3ns3]

^ the H60 is equipped with 2000 RPM fan that is kinda crappy to begin with. Even at 1500RPM corsairs better fans like SP120 are quite annoying. So if that thing is put on ryzen 1600 that at ~4GHz@1.4v can pull well over 100watts (something like 140), this AiO will sound like a jet engine or will fail to cool the CPU.
even larger 240 AiOs are louder than good air coolers and if normalized to 40db, the AiO performance is significantly reduced.

 

[michaelzscott6969]

With everyone's suggestions I made some adjustments to the build:

- CPU: Ryzen 5 1600
- Cooler: CRYORIG M9a
- MB: Asus STRIX B350-F
- Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z 8gb (2x4) DDR4-3200
- Storage: Sandisk 240 GB SSD; WD 1 TB Hard Drive
- Video Card: EVGA Geforce GTX 1060 6 GB
- Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G2 650W Fully-Modular
- Case: Fractal Design Define C TG

Total Cost: $954.04

I'm looking to overclock my CPU and read on another forum that this cooler would be sufficient for my needs. Any suggestions?

 

[madmatt30]

Just dump the aftermarket cooler completely , the m9a is no better than the stock ryzen cooler

 

[n0ns3ns3]

this power supply is a bit overkill. especially when you can get this one for less https://pcpartpicker.com/product/y88H99/evga-supernova-g3-650w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-220-g3-0650

though this one below seems more suitable for gaming:
CPU: Intel - Core i5-8400 2.8GHz 6-Core Processor ($199.89 @ B&H)
Motherboard: MSI - Z370-A PRO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($111.78 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($149.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial - MX300 275GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($92.88 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB SC GAMING Video Card ($259.99 @ B&H)
Case: Fractal Design - Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($68.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $1023.49

It's 70$ more, but with more storage and double the RAM. if you reduce it, probably will be even lower than ryzen build.
Oooh ... and the case is the same, just with different front panel for better airflow. but define C is also excellent choice

 

[10tacle]

Up that cooler to the Cryorig H7 and you are golden. It will fit with the G.Skill Trident series. With that said, 8GB of RAM these days is the bare minimum for games. Three or four years ago that was considered upper level. If your budget can handle it, I'd recommend biting the bullet and doubling down to 16GB of 2x8GB sticks.

If you wanted to upgrade down the road to 16GB with say another 2x8GB kit, you may run into problems twofold: 1) when overclocking, using all four DIMM slots can cause problems and 2) memory bought separately, even among the same exact model, may not play nice with each other and cause errors/crashes. Just something to think about.

 

[madmatt30]

^ not to diss the Intel build but you can do the ryzen build with 16gb ram for pretty much the original budget anyway.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor ($194.29 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus - STRIX B350-F GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard ($102.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial - Ballistix Sport LT 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2666 Memory ($143.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: SanDisk - SSD PLUS 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($83.94 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($40.99 @ Best Buy)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB SC GAMING Video Card ($259.99 @ B&H)
Case: Fractal Design - Define C TG ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Corsair - CXM 550W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $941.16
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-10-23 12:22 EDT-0400

 

[n0ns3ns3]

^ I know, it's just intel build does better job for gaming and it does it out of the box.
with ryzen it takes considerable effort to get max performance - especially when picking RAM and overclocking RAM.
so for about the same price, IMHO, intel is better value that "just works".

 

[10tacle]

^ not to diss the Intel build but you can do the ryzen build with 16gb ram for pretty much the original budget anyway.

Yep. For a balanced system between games and productivity apps like video rendering, the Ryzen is the much better selection. He only said "light gaming" so that defeats the purpose of the superior 8400 over the Ryzen if he's not focused on gaming. I always recommend Ryzen over Intel for people who spend half or more of their time on productivity over gaming. For pure gaming, it's Intel hands down. Especially at 1080p and running a G-Sync or Freesync 144Hz monitor. Now for those running QHD or UHD monitor resolutions where the gaming demands are mostly on the GPU, that changes things up significantly and it would for me boil down to the best price for each build.

 

[michaelzscott6969]

I have one question: For the nearly $70 difference, will the performance be that much better in the Ryzen 5 1600, compared to the Ryzen 3 1300x?

 

[10tacle]

I have one question: For the nearly $70 difference, will the performance be that much better in the Ryzen 5 1600, compared to the Ryzen 3 1300x?

Well that's up to you do decide. In both gaming and productivity, the 1600 is substantially faster than the 1300x. You need to decide what the value of the increased performance means to you. This is where you really need to do your homework and research.

Example of gaming increased performance:
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_ryzen_3_1200_and_1300x_review,19.html

Example of productivity increased performance:
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_ryzen_3_1200_and_1300x_review,15.html

 

[madmatt30]

Its a hard one , the 4 core ryzen are indeed decent (you should dismiss the 1300x though when the 1200 can be overclocked to the same level EASILY)

The 1600 may not be a necessity for you at this moment in time , the thing is though it has so much reserve compute power buying it now over a 4 core would virtually 100% guarantee that it will still be a viable CPU 4 or 5 years down the line)

I'd stump the money now for a ryzen 1600 & 16gb ram from the off & you totally negate having to upgrade anything apart from the GPU in the future IMO

If you look at n0ns3ns3 rig in his post header you'll see he's running a 4 1/2 year old CPU there .
If you ask him when he's going to upgrade it I daresay he has no plans to in at least the next 2 years still because it's still entirely relevant performance wise.

Paying for something that is probably more powerful than you need now becomes very very sensible a year or 2 down the line.

 

[10tacle]

^^Agreed 100%. If I am "investing" in a new PC build, $70 more for a much better CPU is worth it, especially down stream into the future. I kept my i5 2500k alive for several years beyond its life with overclocking, and it was money well spent. Same with my current Haswell i5 4690k which I will keep until Cannon Lake next year.

 

[n0ns3ns3]

@madmatt30
you are almost right about my plans to upgrade. there is one small feature that my CPU does not have VT-d. Thus I can't run VMs with direct HW access.
VT-d would allow me to run Linux as my main OS and a virtualized windows for gaming only with near native performance. So I'm kinda monitoring ebay for cheap 4790K - like well under 200$ which seems possible with the coffee lake release. But this is very niche usecase. and for gaming alone, I don't see a reason for at least another year to upgrade the CPU. I will probably upgrade the GPU first as it is a bottleneck with 3440x1440@100Hz monitor.

 

[michaelzscott6969]

Wow thank you all so much for the help

 

[k1114]

Please don't make 6 threads on the same subject. Thanks.

MERGED QUESTION
Question from michaelzscott6969 : "My first time building a pc, is this a good part list?"

- CPU: Ryzen 5 1600
- Cooler: Corsair H60
- MB: Asus STRIX B350-F
- Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 8GB (2x4)
- Storage: Sandisk 240 GB SSD; WD 1 TB Hard Drive
- Video Card: EVGA Geforce GTX 1050 Ti
- Power Supply: EVGA 450 W Fully-Modular
- Case: Fractal Design Define C TG

This is my first build. Is this a good part list for someone looking to do light amounts of gaming.

You have a power supply listed for the video card

You have a power supply listed for the video card

yeah it was a typo lmao I fixed it

With the included stock cooler on the R5 1600, you really do not need any additional aftermarket cpu cooler. It's very good, so save your money on the H60.
Not sure what happened with the video card, but assuming it's a 1060 or lower, the psu wattage is fine. The psu isn't. It's junk. I recommend you get something a whole lot more reliable with the money saved from the cooler. Rest is fine.

I guess my question would be, if you don't plan on using it for heavy workloads nor do you plan on gaming a lot, why would you want to push your CPU to the limit? The 1600 comes with a decent stock cooler that will probably get you within a few Mhz of the chip's max OC. So you could save the cash, or redirect it elsewhere, like a better SSD. Samsung 850 Evo are pretty much the lowest price they've been, or you could go with a 960 Evo if your mobo supports NVMe (you'll have to look that up or just use PCPP's compatibility option)

MERGED QUESTION
Question from michaelzscott6969 : "First time builder! Is build good for overclocking?"

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 1600
Motherboard: Asus STRIX B350-F Gaming
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 16GB (2x8)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO 250GB
Storage: WD 1TB Hard Drive
Video Card: EVGA Geforce GTX 1060 6GB SC
Power Supply: Corsair CXM 550W Semi-Modular
Case: Fractal Design Define C TG

Total Cost: $961.06

Want to get as much as I can out of CPU. Is stock cooler fine for overclocking or would you recommend an aftermarket cooler? Want to keep the build under $1000.

 

[Karadjgne]

Just to throw my 2¢ in there, you slap a budget cooler like the H7 of hyper212 (145w/140w) on a 140w OC, they will sound like jet engines too. As is, the Wraith cooler is more than enough and doesn't need replacing by any cpu cooler.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor ($194.29 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350 Pro4 ATX AM4 Motherboard ($87.49 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($168.15 @ Newegg Marketplace)
Storage: SK hynix - SL308 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($78.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($40.99 @ Best Buy)
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB ARMOR OCV1 Video Card ($269.86 @ B&H)
Case: Fractal Design - Define C TG ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Corsair - CXM 550W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($54.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $974.75
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-10-24 00:26 EDT-0400

 

[michaelzscott6969]

Im sorry for all the threads this is my first time using this website so its a little confusing