Startup impact not measured any longer??

[ron3033]

Hi
Windows 10 Startup Impact in the task manager used to be measured and mow I notice it is "not measured" any longer. I noticed this since boot up times have seemed to slow a great deal, and discovered this when I went to the task manager.
How do I turn "Startup impact" back on?
Thanks
ron3033
Sept 25, 2018

 

[karenjoly]

A guess
Disable all items in startup column in task manager, restart, then enable all items, restart again.

 

[SyMix_KD]

this might help

 

[ron3033]

Hi Karenjoly Thanks that worked ............… so far so good!
UPDATE OCT 7
Hi just me again Start up impact quit again. I tried the solution that worked before... did not work this time?? I will try it a few more times. it seemed that last time the overall performance was faster when impact was measured. Any more ideas?

 

[ron3033]

Hi just me again Start up impact quit again. I tried the solution that worked before... did not work this time?? I will try it a few more times. it seemed that last time the overall performance was faster when impact was measured. Any more ideas?

 

[karenjoly]

Can you post a picture of the start up tab ?

Here is the full monty on the app

https://www.winhelponline.com/blog/task-manager-startup-impact-calculated-bootckcl/

 

[ron3033]

Can you post a picture of the start up tab ?

Here is the full monty on the app

https://www.winhelponline.com/blog/task-manager-startup-impact-calculated-bootckcl/

How do I add a picture? It asks for a URL, not a picture on my computer? I tried the disable enable 3 times still a no go situation?? seems like computer has slowed when not measured as well.

 

[karenjoly]

opload a snapshot to an image hosting site like this one

https://postimages.org/

then copy the url into an answer.

 

[ron3033]

Hi Thank You
https://i.postimg.cc/W1j7cjrK/start_up_15.jpg

I have also tried CHKDSK C: /f and did a restart and also did sfc /scannow. Still nothing is measured.

 

[karenjoly]

Well that leaves just one possible answer, the obvious one really,

Though enabled, the apps are not in fact running at start up .

Looks like a Microsoft trick question on an exam? lol

To confirm this idea, search Task Manager Processes for any of the "not measured" items.

 

[ron3033]

Hello and Thanks for the help.

I looked at the not measured items under the process tab. Not sure what I am looking for. Some of the not measured are not there at all or are maybe hidden?
That said when start up was working correctly..... if memory serves me right most were low, I think one was high....but I could not say which one(s).
I tried another disable/ enable again and still no go.

3 more shots of processes. I hope they add in.
https://i.postimg.cc/W1j7cjrK/start_up_15.jpg and https://postimg.cc/gallery/383zmkl3w/
In the start up tab it says "ESET command line interface" (ESET is my virus checker) I am not sure that is what it always said in the start up tab....but again going from memory..
Thanks again much appreciated, ron3033

 

[karenjoly]

So some not measured (NM) items are not running ?

OK.

How about making a list of the NM items which are not running in Processes and a list of the NM ones that are running ?

 

[ron3033]

Good Morning
I enable the thing I usually do before shutting down last night. This morning Eset read low impact.
The computer has been on about 10 - 15 mins. I will make you asked and hope I am on correct track and copy to the post images site you told me about (neat site).
I will shut down and turn back on and go to process tab to see if I can catch them, and post in an edit or next email.
many thanks for you expertise
ron3033
UPDATE:
Hi Is it possible that some of these things do not always have start up impact? I know for sure one item was always high impact, and the rest were probably low?? (again from memory) Now the only one measured is Eset as low. It seems strange for it to change. When I did the CHKDSK C: /f & the disk clean up it had a very large amount of space to delete & took about an hour to clean out.
Here is updated list you asked for 4 items I can not even find in the process list Thank You
https://i.postimg.cc/rpLswHH3/process_3_oct_11_updated.jpg
https://postimg.cc/87tNyZNm

 

[Peter Martin]

i am wondering why this is so important? it's calculated on your cpu mainly.

 

[ron3033]

Hi Peter I think the computer runs faster when they are measured. As right now typing this response I am typing faster than the computer....there is a definite lag. ( and I do not type fast by any means) This seems real bad today for some reason. Also webpages are slow to load, and then are hard to scroll down and stall going down the page again real bad right now, usually much better than this?
My internet downloads at 5.1 to 5.5 and uploads 0.7 to 0.9 Somethings seems to have slowed when these do not measure. when I got them back on last week with Karens suggestion this were better it seemed. All of a sudden the were all not measured but Eset (virus checker) not sure why, not sure if maybe they don't always measure, something has lightened the start up impact. I am baffled bu this
Thanks ron3033

 

[Peter Martin]

it may just be a software configuration issue. can you try disabling Eset and see if any difference?

 

[ron3033]

it may just be a software configuration issue. can you try disabling Eset and see if any difference?

Hi Peter I will try that and post back. I kind of think if you turn Eset off and shut down it may just come back on by itself....though I may be wrong too. It is so weird how I got it all back a few days ago and now just eset.
will let you know

 

[ron3033]

Hi Peter
You can not disable Eset in the Start UP tab, so I went to the Eset settings and paused it for 10 minutes and did a restart. It DID automatically turn itself back on and was live. But now in the start up, Eset is now not measured, a few minutes before I did this it had LOW impact?? getting stranger all the time... a real mystery?

 

[ron3033]

Okay this is really weird now. After I tried to stop ESET temporarily through settings, but remember it automatically comes on at restart. I went to task manger, start up tab, and disabled everything but Eset (as it can not be disabled here) and did a restart. Low and behold......ALL but Eset are disabled, but all are showing start up impact??? How does that happen?? see pic
https://i.postimg.cc/X7s4286t/Process-OCT-11-disable-but-measured-2.jpg

UPDATE: well a bit later ALL except Eset show disabled,(as it was bit earlier) and now the only one reading start up impact is Eset at low, the rest went back to not measured. this happened all in about a one hour time frame. So it now looks different than the photo I posted What the heck is going on here??? have I got a haunted computer LOL!!

UPDATE 2: Well about 5 or 6 hours after the above update I checked start up and got this? It seems to change on its' own. I don't know how or why?
https://i.postimg.cc/76DH3Vf5/process-at-midnight-works.jpg
Still the same this morning 5 medium, 6 low, & 4 none.

 

[gardenman]

This thread interested me so I went into my test system to try to figure out where the info comes from. I wouldn't recommend doing what I did below. I have a system setup that I can destroy and not have to worry about it. I'm sure you don't want to harm yours.

Start of Not Recommended

Using info from the link that Syix_KD provided above, I went into the C:\Windows\System32\wdi\LogFiles folder and opened up the StartupInfo folder within and looked at the log files. In the log files, you can find info about the Hard drive usage and CPU usage for each of the startup programs, which is calculated up to determine the "Startup Impact". I edited the info for Open-Shell to see if the Startup Impact was changed in Task Manager and it was.

Screenshots:
https://i.postimg.cc/zXZMtT6q/1.gif
https://i.postimg.cc/fWXq9JLp/2.gif
https://i.postimg.cc/MKms9N1Y/3.gif
https://i.postimg.cc/0NFZ6sq9/4.gif

End of Not Recommended

Now you now know where the info is taken from. The question is, why is yours being reset? There's probably several possible answers to this.

Maybe it's some type of automatically running Disk Cleanup software that you may have installed deleting the log files. It could be ESET. It could be some type of "privacy" utility. If you have any such software installed, disable it for a few days to see if that helps.

Maybe it's a disk going bad. It's unlikely, but you could try running CrystalDiskInfo.

Maybe something else. I'm just guessing but I would think it's a 3rd party (non-Microsoft) program that you are using.

 

[ron3033]

Hello Gardenman

Now you now know where the info is taken from. The question is, why is yours being reset? There's probably several possible answers to this.

Maybe it's some type of automatically running Disk Cleanup software that you may have installed deleting the log files. It could be ESET.
I run the disk clean up from windows 10 often and usually so a system clean up as well. I often will go to Eset log files and delete log rows of Detected threats & Filtered websites. I don't believe that should cause it?? But not 100% sure.

It could be some type of "privacy" utility. If you have any such software installed, disable it for a few days to see if that helps.
No privacy software I am aware of.... none that I added. Also it never did this before, that I am aware of. I went to startup impact sue to slow boot up time. Seems the last windows update caused a slow down.

Maybe it's a disk going bad. It's unlikely, but you could try running CrystalDiskInfo.
Yikes I hope not. The computer seems to function fine.

Maybe something else. I'm just guessing but I would think it's a 3rd party (non-Microsoft) program that you are using.

Here is all installed programs from control panel add/delete page





Thank you for looking at this all I hope your set up is okay and functional
ron3033

https://postimg.cc/gallery/3c8o7fbdo/

 

[gardenman]

None of the programs you listed look like general "Disk Cleanup" utilities that I am aware of.

I opened the "StartupInfo" folder that I mentioned earlier. I tried Disk Cleanup (both regular and system files) and it didn't delete the log files. Disk Cleanup (when cleaning system files) also takes me an hour+. I think we can rule out Disk Cleanup as being the problem.

I kinda think we are looking at the wrong thing though. As suggested above, I don't think this would have much to do with the system lagging or not. It could be a side effect of something else that's going on.

Are you experiencing more CPU usage in Task Manager from any specific program when you have the lag? I'm assuming your keyboard is lagging, internet is lagging, and scrolling is lagging.

Let's try a clean boot. A clean boot disables ALL (non-Microsoft) start up programs and services. This will of course disable the Startup Impact. Warning, read the page carefully and DO NOT disable Microsoft Services. Be sure to check the box to "Hide all Microsoft services"..

How to perform a clean boot in Windows (from Microsoft):
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/929135/how-to-perform-a-clean-boot-in-windows

I would try the clean boot for several hours to see if you have any lag. If not, it might be one of the programs/services you disabled for the clean boot that is causing the lag. Re-enable the programs/services a few at a time with a reboot in between to determine which one is causing the lag. I usually start out by re-enabling ALL services, then reboot. Then I do the programs a few at a time with a reboot. It's a bit quicker.

 

[ron3033]

Hi I will try that later as I am away from that computer for the weekend....but stay tuned.

The lag in typing is not all the time, nor is web page scrolling. Hotmail is the worst, but I believe that is mostly a Hotmail issue, as I do not seem to have issue with other email providers. Ebay is often bad for scrolling......I often wonder it is all those top bar ads and side bar ads slow things . Stay tuned.
PS start up was still showing measurements early today on that computer.

 

[gardenman]

Hotmail is slow loading for me. But I don't have keyboard delays or scrolling issues.

If the ads are really bad on E-Bay then this could be an adware issue. I know animated ads use to slow my computers to a crawl but that was years ago on older slower PCs. I would think most PCs today wouldn't be slowed much by animated ads. If you have flash installed and don't use it, consider removing it. Also consider trying a 2nd opinion for malware and viruses other than ESET. Maybe an online scanner which scans files on your PC.

Maybe a GPU driver reinstall would help too. It's just something to consider. Basically you download a driver uninstall utility and your video driver and have both ready. You boot up into safe mode and remove the drivers, then boot back into normal mode and install the drivers. Full directions here:
http://www.tomshardware.com/faq/id-2767677/perform-clean-install-video-card-drivers.html

Let us know the results of the clean boot when you have time to try it out.

 

[Colif]

Have you run a malwarescan? With a program like Malwarebytes or HItman Pro? They are a good 2nd opinion on Eset to see if it missed anything. MIght fix the 1st problem as well.

Should install Ublock Origin on your browser, that should make a lot of the adverts go away. I always forget internet has ads, and wonder why they don't use all the extra white space on websites. There is a version for edge, Chrome, Opera and Firefox.