5000U$D New build advise- To Turing RTX or not? Intel 9th gen

[thenetvines]

Hello all. I have a budget of 5000 U$D that could be more if necessary (up to 6K dollars) for a new rig that is not meant for gaming.

I need as much future proofing as possible for, or before Christmas of 2018.

The rig is meant for CAD software (student) first, and my collection of media later (4K Blurays collection). The gaming that I do is just Halo CE, or Half Life Orange Box campaigns if I have the time at all.

The requirements are as follow:

I wish to use a 9th gen Intel processor.
A 4K monitor of 32" to 40" that is not curved.
16GB of RAM DDR4 (DDR5 coming soon?)
M.2 516GB storage, and 2 HDD's
Best possible motherboard for endurance full ATX.
Best keyboard, and mice for comfort.
Best possible Cooling for my CPU.

I wish to use my original case that I modded personally to add a full view side panel (OG Cooler Master CM 690 II). I love this case because I use it's external SATA docking station for hotswaps with an old NAS, and because I modded it myself.

My problem is the graphics card.

I know about Quadro cards for CAD, but I wish to avoid them, and choose between Pascal, or Turing.

I could care less about RTX, and I won't be gaming on it, but I wonder if Turing would have any benefit at all besides gaming.

What should I do?

 

[thenetvines]

Do you think there will be a shortage of 9th gen Intel cpu's?

 

[julienruc]

Have a look at this build I've come up with.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i9-7980XE 2.6GHz 18-Core Processor ($1899.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Corsair - H150i PRO 47.3 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($159.00 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus - PRIME X299-DELUXE ATX LGA2066 Motherboard ($399.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-3466 Memory ($402.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($133.90 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($58.89 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($58.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: PNY - Quadro P4000 8GB Video Card ($749.99 @ Walmart)
Power Supply: Corsair - RMx 1000W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($139.89 @ OutletPC)
Optical Drive: LG - UH12NS29 Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer ($69.89 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Pro OEM 64-bit ($124.79 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: LG - 43UD79-B 42.5" 3840x2160 60Hz Monitor ($546.99 @ Adorama)
Keyboard: Corsair - K70 LUX RGB Wired Gaming Keyboard ($117.82 @ B&H)
Mouse: Logitech - G102 Prodigy Wired Optical Mouse
Total: $4863.02
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-10-07 23:40 EDT-0400

Now I know that you said you wanted to stay away from Quadro. But it's really hard for me to recommend anything else. Even if you get a GTX 1080 Ti, you'll get some blurry lines on CAD as it's not optimized for that... and you don't want that.

That motherboard will be suitable for running programs like CAD. Anything at this price range can be considered as durable.

That mouse is really comfy and also has a very discreet RGB as you can configure it. Corsair Keyboards are very durable, have a very comfortable wrist-rest and includes Cherry MX Brown for smooth typing (more silent that MX Blue even though it's even better for typing).

 

[Lucky_SLS]

If it's for CAD and opening large sized files, a threadripper cpu like the 2950X in a msi Meg creation mobo would give you all the futureproofing you need.

Pair that up with the pro features(workstation features, aka Quadro features) enabled titan xp, this is what you are looking at :

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Threadripper 2950X 3.5GHz 16-Core Processor ($859.00 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI - MEG X399 CREATION EATX TR4 Motherboard ($499.99 @ B&H)
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-3600 Memory ($393.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: HP - EX920 1TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($227.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: HP - EX920 1TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($227.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: NVIDIA - Titan Xp 12GB Video Card ($1367.00 @ Amazon)
Case: Lian-Li - PC-O11AIR RGB ATX Full Tower Case ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair - RMx (2018) 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Pro OEM 64-bit ($124.79 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: LG - 43UD79-B 42.5" 3840x2160 60Hz Monitor ($546.99 @ Adorama)
Other: Enermax LIQTECH TR4 360mm AIO Liquid CPU Cooler Exclusive for AMD Threadripper Processor with 100% Str4 HIS Coverage, 500W+ TDP and Patented Shunt Channel Technology, ELC-LTTR360-TBP ($149.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $4617.71
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-10-08 01:19 EDT-0400

 

[thenetvines]

Thank you both for your response. Unfortunately I don't think before reacting, and I pre-ordered the i9-9900K as soon as Amazon let me.

So, now I have to build my rig around the i9-9900K.

Threadripper sounds amazing, but I need to share this rig with a college student that's into video editing, and I read conflicting reports about drivers, and pro- video editing software not playing nice with AMD? I could be totally wrong, but it's hard to let go of Intel.

 

[Lucky_SLS]

Nah, that's mostly with new Radeon pro gpu. Threadripper is fine. No issues at all. Actually, if video editing is also a priority, threadripper makes more sense than the 9900k. Leave bang for buck, it just crushes the 9900k in performance.

And I forgot to tell you, the cm 690 II case has become too old. Sry. The selected components won't fit in the case.

 

[julienruc]

Oh yeah, why didn't I think of that. I'm usually pro-AMD when it comes to CPUs. Would have worked great here since most desktop application rely on multi-threaded performance.

In any case, I'd be happy to recomme d a new bud based on your hasty purchase.

How much did it cost you?

 

[thenetvines]

Close to 600 U$D. Also, why buy a Titan xp over a 1080ti?

Dang, I really wished to make that CM 690 II work

 

[julienruc]

Close to 600 U$D. Also, why buy a Titan xp over a 1080ti?

Dang, I really wished to make that CM 690 II work

NVIDIA's GTX models are optimized for gaming. Meaning that most of the visuals are rendered by your GPU and its VRAM, followed by the CPU to process all that information.

When it comes to the Quadro or Titan XP. These are specifically made workstations, meaning that even though they won't run games better than a 1080Ti, it will run pretty much everything else that isn't a video game much much better.

A GTX 1080Ti will even make your lines all blurry when working on a software like CAD.

In any case, this is my revised build:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU Cooler: Corsair - H150i PRO 47.3 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($159.00 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus - Rampage V Edition 10 EATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard ($486.39 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance RGB Pro 64GB (8 x 8GB) DDR4-3466 Memory ($815.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung - 960 EVO 1TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($298.82 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate - BarraCuda Pro 4TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($168.99 @ Adorama)
Storage: Seagate - BarraCuda Pro 4TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($168.99 @ Adorama)
Video Card: Asus - GeForce GTX Titan X 12GB Video Card ($804.07 @ Amazon)
Case: Phanteks - Enthoo Primo ATX Full Tower Case ($239.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair - RMx 1000W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($139.89 @ OutletPC)
Optical Drive: LG - UH12NS29 Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer ($69.89 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Pro OEM 64-bit ($124.79 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: LG - 43UD79-B 42.5" 3840x2160 60Hz Monitor ($546.99 @ Adorama)
Keyboard: Corsair - K70 LUX RGB Wired Gaming Keyboard ($138.96 @ Newegg)
Mouse: Logitech - G102 Prodigy Wired Optical Mouse
Total: $4162.74
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-10-09 10:57 EDT-0400

The things you can do with a budget like this. Have a look at this.

@Lucky, I've seen you around here quite a few times and I can tell you know your shit as well. Can you critique this build I did?

 

[Lucky_SLS]

The 9900k slots in a z370 /z390 mobo. Not the X299. Hence the k suffix instead of X.

This would also mean dual channel memory as opposed to quad channel in threadripper. Which again is a disadvantage considering memory intensive tasks like video editing and working with large / many files at once, like part files in an assembly in a cad project.

 

[Peter Martin]

get a threadripper. don't mess with the intel toy. get the 32 core

 

[thenetvines]

Close to 600 U$D. Also, why buy a Titan xp over a 1080ti?

Dang, I really wished to make that CM 690 II work

NVIDIA's GTX models are optimized for gaming. Meaning that most of the visuals are rendered by your GPU and its VRAM, followed by the CPU to process all that information.

When it comes to the Quadro or Titan XP. These are specifically made workstations, meaning that even though they won't run games better than a 1080Ti, it will run pretty much everything else that isn't a video game much much better.

A GTX 1080Ti will even make your lines all blurry when working on a software like CAD.

Did not know this. Thanks!


"The 9900k slots in a z370 /z390 mobo. Not the X299. Hence the k suffix instead of X.

This would also mean dual channel memory as opposed to quad channel in threadripper. Which again is a disadvantage considering memory intensive tasks like video editing and working with large / many files at once, like part files in an assembly in a cad project."


I cancelled my i9 9900K pre order because of you.

It's that much harder now to decide with this information, and what I read about 9900K misleading benchmarks.

What do you think of buying a cheaper 2k Intel based system now just because of its resale value with gamers, and wait out for 3rd gen threadripper to go all out?

 

[Lucky_SLS]

You said you would be working on a 4k 60hz monitor. For that, the 2950X and titan xp are more than enough to power it at ultra settings.


You can expect 3rd gen threadripper close to this time next year. No sooner. They just released their 2nd gen months back and even announced 2 more models just a week ago. So don't think they will overlap with their own inventory.

Threadripper can also give solid 90fps or hz with VR. If you want to upgrade later, you just need to upgrade your gpu according to the requirements.

I just don't think spending 2k an Intel now and reselling it gonna be a good idea when the above 2950X / titan xp will have no issues utilizing that 4k monitor just fine.

P. S. : If you find that you can't overclock the titan xp due to its blower design, you might wanna consider the Kraken G12 and a Kraken M22 to cool it. And the lian li pc o11 will have the compatibility to house both the 360 Enermax rad and the 120 M22 rad.

 

[Lucky_SLS]

BTW, if you wanna showcase ur modded 690 II, head here : http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-3694184/show-case-mods/page-1.html

 

[thenetvines]

BTW, if you wanna showcase ur modded 690 II, head here : http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-3694184/show-case-mods/page-1.html

Lucky, you are too patient with me, and I appreciate it.

I am leaning more to threadripper now, but wanted to ask you what would be your ideal setup around an i9 9900K just out of curiosity, and what gpu you would pair it with.


Please keep in mind, my sister and I are not pro's, or gamers, nor a big company that will benefit from faster rendering.
If it were an Intel based 9th gen now, it would be replaced in 2 years.

 

[bmockeg]

IMO, the threadripper is going to give you a vastly superior bang for your buck. For your application you want a titan XP, not a gaming card like a 1080ti. A 2080 or 2080ti might suffice as they are built on the same architecture as the new workstation cards, only issue might be early driver support.

 

[thenetvines]

IMO, the threadripper is going to give you a vastly superior bang for your buck. For your application you want a titan XP, not a gaming card like a 1080ti. A 2080 or 2080ti might suffice as they are built on the same architecture as the new workstation cards, only issue might be early driver support.

Interesting; I could get a Titan Xp (lower case p) for almost 1K used off someone I know. Do you think as far as prices go, I should wait until December to see if anything drops closer to 1K for the 2080ti?

 

[bmockeg]

For that price I would get the titan Xp hands down

 

[Twistfaria]

I agree with all these people AMD CPUs all the way for both video/photo editing and any 3D CAD work! The price for performance is outrageously good when compared with Intel. I'm building my own system around an AMD CPU because of all the many things I've read about how they make the most powerful workstation/mixed use CPUs for desktops on the market.

By the way, if you live anywhere near (150 miles) a Micro Center make sure to check their prices, they have amazing deals! Often their prices are even cheaper than what PCPartpicker has as "cheapest". Depending on how far away/your MPG/local tax it can really save you some money to put elsewhere. There is also something really nice about seeing everything before you buy it.

 

[thenetvines]

I agree with all these people AMD CPUs all the way for both video/photo editing and any 3D CAD work! The price for performance is outrageously good when compared with Intel. I'm building my own system around an AMD CPU because of all the many things I've read about how they make the most powerful workstation/mixed use CPUs for desktops on the market.

By the way, if you live anywhere near (150 miles) a Micro Center make sure to check their prices, they have amazing deals! Often their prices are even cheaper than what PCPartpicker has as "cheapest". Depending on how far away/your MPG/local tax it can really save you some money to put elsewhere. There is also something really nice about seeing everything before you buy it.

Thanks! I live in Florida, so no Microcenter or Fry's for me, but it's alright. I can hunt down with Slickdeals, or similar offer sites.

My very first build ever was back in 2011 with help from this forum! That "super PC" was close to 800$ pesos for me, which was a lot of money for me back then, but I saved every bit of it, and that PC still lives as an HTPC !!!

Which is why I am thinking of not going all out with 5K now, and maybe wait for Gen 3 AMD.

I need to learn more about OC'ing, proper RAM setup, and obviously GPU hardware, and software compatibility for the near future, because I'm so far behind.

 

[Lucky_SLS]

A used titan xp at a good condition for 1k can be worth it. But 800 bucks would be the right price.

It's a good idea to replace the cooling system in the titan xp with the kraken G12 and kraken M22.

I don't think the rtx 2080/2080ti would be fully certified for CAD cuz the titan xp got Quadro drivers for professional use, along with the gtx optimization for games. It's the best card hands down.

I am a mechanical engineering graduate and I have seen my share of artifacts/skewed lines and such in catia, inventor pro. Especially if you are using various softwares for pre processing, meshing, etc etc.

The only reason that I would make a jump to Intel is if the display is a 144hz/165hz display.

Ryzen is fine for 100/120hz.

And if what you are saying is true, the threadripper build will minimum last you for 3 years ez.

Maybe you might have to change the gpu in 2 years.

If you insist, for the 9900k build, just get the z390 mobo. Other parts are compatible. An Asus prime a z390 would be nice.

 

[thenetvines]

If it's for CAD and opening large sized files, a threadripper cpu like the 2950X in a msi Meg creation mobo would give you all the futureproofing you need.

Pair that up with the pro features(workstation features, aka Quadro features) enabled titan xp, this is what you are looking at :

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Threadripper 2950X 3.5GHz 16-Core Processor ($859.00 @ Newegg)
Other: Enermax LIQTECH TR4 360mm AIO Liquid CPU Cooler Exclusive for AMD Threadripper Processor with 100% Str4 HIS Coverage, 500W+ TDP and Patented Shunt Channel Technology, ELC-LTTR360-TBP ($149.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $4617.71
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-10-08 01:19 EDT-0400

I see this Enermax cooler being recommended a lot, even though it has horrible reviews everywhere I look. Being that the 2950X is so expensive, and new, and that I never heard of Enermax before (nor have I water cooled before, or AIO), is an AIO really that safe on the long run?

 

[Lucky_SLS]

Maybe those bad reviews are from rgb maniacs or brand conscious ppl.

I will just leave this link here : https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/enermax-liqtech-360-oc-threadripper-tr4-liquid-cooler,5545-2.html

 

[bmockeg]

I rarely trust customer reviews in relation to comouter parts. Typically the issue is operator error and frustration leads to bad reviews. Always look for reviews by trusted sites.

 

[thenetvines]

Thanks for the link Lucky. I guess my fear is more of my inexperience with an AIO, or liquid cooling as far as maintenance goes.

I rarely trust customer reviews in relation to comouter parts. Typically the issue is operator error and frustration leads to bad reviews. Always look for reviews by trusted sites.

What do you think about going nuts with a dual system on the same case, and have the 2950X as the main setup, and a mini mobo with an i7 9th gen cpu as secondary?

Do you have a link of someone that tried something similar with previous gen parts?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81nY412kfkI