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April 25, 2012 12:11:54 AM

First time building a pc, just want to know is everything okay and will it work together and if you think its a decent build or if i need to change anything.

I want it for gaming and more specifically Battlefield 3 but i dont have the money for a graphics card just yet but i want to build what i can and hope i impress my dad and he can buy me one :D 


Intel Core I5 2380P 3.1Ghz 8GB DDR3 1333mhz Gigabyte H61M Motherboard Bundle £227
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Intel-Core-I5-2380P-3-1Ghz-8G...


Case including 500w PSU £42
http://www.xcase.co.uk/product-p/case-k13.htm


Optical Drive £12
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sony-24x-Internal-DVD-Rewriter/...


Hardrive im not sure which one Both £55
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Western-Digital-Caviar-SATAIII-...
OR
http://www.ebuyer.com/272944-seagate-500gb-3-5-sata-iii...


With the wireless, im not sure whether to get a card or a dongle £20
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Edimax-EW-7612PIN-Wireless-High...


Altogether this cost about £360 not including the graphics card which i think is rather cheap but this build maybe crap so thats where i need your advice :D 

Cheers



EDIT:

For my graphics card im looking at a GTX 550TI because its all I can afford and i few videos on youtube show that it runs well at an average of 60fps

GTX 550TI £92
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nvidia-GTX550Ti-192-Bit-Ready-G...

This taking the total price up to £450

a b B Homebuilt system
April 25, 2012 11:36:55 AM

I think I'd go with this bundle:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/INTEL-Core-i5-2500K-ASUS-P8Z6...
much better CPU, motherboard and ram. It will give you many future options and the graphics built into the CPU are excellent. If you can afford this upgrade this is the way to go.
April 25, 2012 12:00:17 PM

Thanks for the reply. Do you think i should purchase the new bundle and hold off on a graphics or go with the old bundle and the graphics card as i can only afford one of the two?
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a b U Graphics card
April 25, 2012 12:00:40 PM

The ebay bundle looked good. Only thing I would worry about is the psu DONT go wit the cost cutter psu. I would say be for you order the case you call and see what psu it comes with and post here
a b U Graphics card
April 25, 2012 12:03:48 PM

What will you be using the pc for? if it is gaming you can't wait for the video card. If you are not gaming you don't need to spend so much.
April 25, 2012 12:11:51 PM

@pfunkmd

Thanks to you i realise the PSU is crap =) so i found this, what do you think?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/650-WATT-supply-Alpine-Silent/d...

Also, for the time being i will be using it as a pc to do my uni work and such but eventually i would like to use it for gaming in the summer after my exams
a b B Homebuilt system
April 25, 2012 12:17:49 PM

kalamazad said:
@pfunkmd

Thanks to you i realise the PSU is crap =) so i found this, what do you think?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/650-WATT-supply-Alpine-Silent/d...

Also, for the time being i will be using it as a pc to do my uni work and such but eventually i would like to use it for gaming in the summer after my exams

Not all that familiar with that brand but the spec's look good. Plenty of Amps.
April 25, 2012 12:18:33 PM

Make sure you have budgeted for Windows, however you plan on getting it.

Mobo Kit: Not the best setup, but for the money it is ok. You could always put a better CPU in later on. Like an i7 2600. Or perhaps even an an Ivy Bridge down the road. For the price I can't think of better, but you might be a touch disappointed depending on what you are coming from. I think it should work fine on the lower settings though, even if you get stuck just using this one as is.

you absolutely need the 600W or 750W PSU minimum to use that Graphics card. the card has an extra power port on it that the standard 500W doesn't have. Also the card alone draws 400W and your other stuff (CPU/HHD/Wi-Fi) should draw between 100W-200W

I would go dongle On Wireless so that you can extend it with USB cables and can reuse it anywhere on any machine. Just my opinion

The Drives seem ok. I will leave that to you.

If you get that Graphics card, it should about make up for the rest of the machine. Your quality settings may have to drop a bit, and FPS may be a bit less than you hope for but It should definitely be something you can live with. Especially for the money. I just spent $1970 on a new rig yesterday, but that is only like 1000 pounds, but I'm also not on an island and everything is cheaper.

April 25, 2012 12:20:02 PM

Also watch some YouTube or something on proper assembly and learn about electrostatic discharge. it will be mention in any video.
a b B Homebuilt system
April 25, 2012 12:20:10 PM

kalamazad said:
Thanks for the reply. Do you think i should purchase the new bundle and hold off on a graphics or go with the old bundle and the graphics card as i can only afford one of the two?

Hold off on the GPU. With the new lines coming out prices for the existing ones are bound to drop. Get your GPU then.
April 25, 2012 12:24:07 PM

agreed on the GPU. Your CPU can get you by for a little bit.
a b B Homebuilt system
April 25, 2012 12:28:05 PM

Just a note to AH-64 Longbow. The 550Ti under load never uses more than 248 Watts:
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2011/03/15/nv...
the entire system might use 400 Watts max. And don't forget that with PSU's it's the Amps that count - not the wattage.
April 25, 2012 1:39:07 PM

Thanks for all the feedback. ive got a decent idea on what to buy and build now.

My last thoughts are on this graphics, its very cheap and a quick google search has given it realtively decent reviews.

VTX3D VX6670 2GBK3-H AMD Radeon HD 6670 Graphics Card (2GB, PCI-Express, AMD App Acceleration)
http://www.amazon.co.uk/VTX3D-VX6670-2GBK3-H-PCI-Expres...

Is this worth the money or just crap?
April 25, 2012 1:43:09 PM

Also, Il be running this machine on my 32" 1080p TV with 60Hz refresh rate. I dont know if this makes a difference or not but i dont expect to be playing games on ultra full hd settings.
April 25, 2012 3:05:15 PM

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you absolutely need the 600W or 750W PSU minimum to use that Graphics card. the card has an extra power port on it that the standard 500W doesn't have. Also the card alone draws 400W and your other stuff (CPU/HHD/Wi-Fi) should draw between 100W-200W


Thats utter balls you will run the rig fine with a good 500W maybe even less but I would aim at 500W something like this

http://www.cclonline.com/product/60911/OCZ-ZS550W-UK/Po...

or if thats way to expensive this

http://www.cclonline.com/product/55411/P1-450S-XXB9/Pow...

Quote:
I would go dongle On Wireless so that you can extend it with USB cables and can reuse it anywhere on any machin


Also I would ignore that theres a reason most people use cards not dongles....

650 WATT Power supply Alpine Black 650 WATT Silent Quiet PC ATX PSU - I would avoid this one from amazon like the plague

Quote:
It will give you many future options and the graphics built into the CPU are excellent.


If you plan on gaming NO the graphics are so far from excellent they cant even see the word. However the bundle is good worth getting though here are the parts you can buy individually and save a tenner

http://www.cclonline.com/product/67505/90-MIBH80-G0EAY0...

http://www.cclonline.com/product/44975/BX80623I52500K/C...

http://www.cclonline.com/product/61774/CML8GX3M2A1600C9...

550ti is an ok entry gaming card I run one right now dont expect miracles though but it will chew through most stuff at decent settings.

Here is one for £83.99

http://www.cclonline.com/product/78590/NE5X55T0FHD09/Gr...

*edit to add*

using the cheaper XFX PSU those parts i link including the Graphics card come in at £398.74 then add £20 for a cheap case and your good to go only marginally over budget

http://www.cclonline.com/product/26053/TA-K51/Cases/Asu...
Case

Total £418.06 + whatever HDD you choose to buy

Wireless card would add about £10 more

I run BF3 right now on the rig in my signature with a 550ti I can run high (without much AA) and keep my FPS well over 30. If I drop to some medium I can keep my FPS in the upper 30's and 40's. I use a 500W PSU and im powering a PII X6 @4GHZ, an OC'd 550ti, 2 HDD's, 4 LED 200mm fans, 3 120mm fans, 4 LED strips each with 24 LEDS, A hotswap bay that usually has another HDD.





a b B Homebuilt system
April 25, 2012 5:04:12 PM

Note to wr6133:
Without a discrete GPU (which is what I was assuming from the OP's original post) the i5-2500's graphics are excellent. I never said that they were better than (or even compared to) a good GPU. But with no GPU (as he originally said) they are good enough until he gets one.
a b B Homebuilt system
April 25, 2012 5:04:59 PM

kalamazad said:
Thanks for all the feedback. ive got a decent idea on what to buy and build now.

My last thoughts are on this graphics, its very cheap and a quick google search has given it realtively decent reviews.

VTX3D VX6670 2GBK3-H AMD Radeon HD 6670 Graphics Card (2GB, PCI-Express, AMD App Acceleration)
http://www.amazon.co.uk/VTX3D-VX6670-2GBK3-H-PCI-Expres...

Is this worth the money or just crap?

See if this helps you decide:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-car...
April 25, 2012 5:24:47 PM

Chaz21 said:
Note to wr6133:
Without a discrete GPU (which is what I was assuming from the OP's original post) the i5-2500's graphics are excellent. I never said that they were better than (or even compared to) a good GPU. But with no GPU (as he originally said) they are good enough until he gets one.


errr no, not for his goal of playing BF3 they would stuggle woefully at low.
a b B Homebuilt system
April 25, 2012 6:22:31 PM

wr6133 said:
errr no, not for his goal of playing BF3 they would stuggle woefully at low.

"Also, for the time being i will be using it as a pc to do my uni work and such but eventually i would like to use it for gaming in the summer after my exams " that's a quote from above. Hopefully after doing well on his exams he'll get his card and then play BF3.
So you're suggesting he should buy a GPU for that? Or are you saying that the Intel HD3000 graphics aren't good enough for that?
April 25, 2012 6:49:16 PM


Quote:
and the graphics built into the CPU are excellent


You stated that BEFORE the OP stated he wouldnt need the GPU till summer. The clear implication being that the HD3000 would be excellent for his gaming which we know it isnt.

Sorry if i seem bullish but the level of bad advice in this thread is insane from a 550ti needing a 750W PSU to integrated graphics being excellent.
a b B Homebuilt system
April 25, 2012 11:14:43 PM

wr6133 said:
Quote:
and the graphics built into the CPU are excellent


You stated that BEFORE the OP stated he wouldnt need the GPU till summer. The clear implication being that the HD3000 would be excellent for his gaming which we know it isnt.

Sorry if i seem bullish but the level of bad advice in this thread is insane from a 550ti needing a 750W PSU to integrated graphics being excellent.


"I want it for gaming and more specifically Battlefield 3 but i dont have the money for a graphics card just yet but i want to build what i can and hope i impress my dad and he can buy me one :D "
If you would have taken the time to read the OP's original post you would have seen early on that he was not getting a GPU anytime soon. The quote above is the second line in the post for heavens sake. And your solution for no graphics card would be what?
Now let's all play like adults and offer advice on what he originally asked for. It's at the top of the page.
April 26, 2012 12:20:53 AM

@chaz21

Thanks for the link about the graphics its really helped me a lot as i was a bit clueless on GPUs

I think im gonna go with a HD 6790 as its the same price as a 550ti but better

Also. integrated graphics are perfectly fine for me atm, as gaming wont be happening until after my exams and summer placement which will be ain around july
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