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£700 gaming PC. What do you think?

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May 9, 2011 8:59:28 PM

In 3 and a half weeks I'm gonna finish the upgrade that my pc has been in need of. Below is the list of components. I'd be interested to see what you think. The ones listed with a £0 price I already have in my current rig.

GPU - 1GB MSI GTX 460 Cyclone £0.00 http://www.scan.co.uk/products/1gb-msi-gtx-460-cyclone-...
CPU Cooler - Scythe Mugen 2 Revision B £39.77 http://www.ebuyer.com/product/158603
CPU - Intel Core i5-2500k £162.80 http://www.ebuyer.com/product/251596-core-i5-2500k-unlo...
Motherboard - P67 Extreme4 £131.43 http://www.ebuyer.com/product/261255
PSU - Corsair HX750w £0.00
Memory - Kingston HyperX T1 8GB (2x4GB) Memory Kit (KHX1600C9D3T1K2/8GX) £80.00
Case - Lian Li PC-A71F & W-75BT & PW-IO7V900 £220.00 http://www.micomonline.co.uk/products.asp?partno=PC-A71...
Storage - Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB £0.00

That's a total of £634.00

I also don't need an OS, mouse, keyboard, speakers or a monitor.

This build is mostly for gaiming, but I'll be using it for a bit of uni work too which is mostly just Microsoft office with a bit of Matlab on occasion.
I'm also planing on using my old rig as a media server. So if any one has any advice for me on that side of things it would be appreciated too.

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May 9, 2011 10:29:31 PM

I should correct the price for the case because the one up there is with some extras that I wont get for a little while. It's £180 without them. I figure if I spend more on the case it could last me indefinitely. I might get a cheaper one in the end though.

Why go for different ram though?

Also dose any one know if the P67 Extreme4 suports 7.1 through the optical SPDIF out? I curently have a Asus P5B Delux which, quite annoyingly, dose not.
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May 10, 2011 2:14:52 AM

You could have a cheaper case and spend that money on a better graphics card
May 10, 2011 7:00:30 AM

damian86 said:
You could have a cheaper case and spend that money on a better graphics card

+1

You have way too much money in that case and your cutting yourself short on the gpu.
May 10, 2011 7:36:48 AM

The thing is I already have the GPU. I got it about 7 months ago. OCed it still runes everything I play a max settings and in 1690 x 1050, although sometimes I do have to sacrifice AA. I reckon I should hang on to it until it can't hack it. The extra £100 or so I could save on the case could not get me a better GPU anyway. I guess I could get a second 460 though. That’s quite tempting.
May 10, 2011 10:58:38 AM

yeh, getting a second one for sli would give you a nice boost.just the fact that there are newer ones that will match your new pc better. If you were to sell your 460 for how much would you? :D 

A nice upg would be the 560.
May 10, 2011 11:04:15 AM

The Scythe Mugen is a very good cooler, but it is quite large, so I worry about compatibility with RAM with tall heatspreaders (which are unnecessary for low voltage DDR3 memory these days), so if anything I would try and change the RAM to something without tall heatspreaders.

If you have a wide enough case, as I'm sure the A71F is, you could spend £10 more and get the best aircooler around; the Thermalright Archon, which is quite tall at 170mm, but a very good cooler if you can fit it/afford it. That's if you really don't want to change from the Kingston RAM.

I don't see the need to upgrade graphics card.
May 10, 2011 11:17:38 AM

What's the Thermalright Archon like for sound? I know the Mugen's real quiet. Also what ram would you recommend?
May 10, 2011 11:24:51 AM

+1 to the second 460 for SLi it will give you as much graphics & CPU power to play anything on highest settings for years to come.
May 10, 2011 11:47:36 AM

Here's a review of the Archon: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/coolers/display/therma...

This is a review of a GPU heatsink that uses the same fan as on the Archon, which is the Thermalright TY-140:
http://www.silentpcreview.com/Thermalright_Shaman_GPU_C...

The Silver Arrow also uses the same fans:
http://www.silentpcreview.com/Thermalright_Silver_Arrow
Where they compared it to a Noctua 14cm fan and was found to be better than it. So the Archon is going to be a good choice for a quiet high performance CPU coolers.

Corsair XMS3 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1600MHz CAS9 1.6V £70
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/8gb(2x4gb)-corsair-xms3-ddr3-pc3-10666-(1333)-nonecc-unbuffered-cas-9-9-9-24-new-connector-160v

Kingston HyperX Blu 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1333MHz CAS9 1.5V £68
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY...
May 10, 2011 5:30:10 PM

Wouldn't the Kingston ram just have to fit in the end slots? If not then I think I'll stick with the Mugen and go with the Corsair memory.
May 10, 2011 5:31:09 PM

Dose anyone know if the PC-A71F is quite quiet? If not can any one recommend cases that are?
May 11, 2011 1:14:56 PM

So is any one familiar with the PC-A71F or Lian Li in general. Is it quite quiet? I have a Antec P180 at the mo and I'm not shore how they'll compare. I doubt it'll be as good noise wise, but I would like to know what I'm in for.
May 11, 2011 3:32:52 PM

Why would you go for the A71F? its ugly (in my opinion) and must be heavy,I saw it comes with a bunch of stuff and its full of screws. If you are concerned about the fan noise then I think you could replace them with quiet fans. It comes with 2 140mm front fans and 2 120 mm rear fans. I dont think they are noisy maybe around 20db. As far as I know that case is huge, What are you looking for? a full atx, for a server, or a normal gaming pc with liguid cooling?
May 11, 2011 4:36:14 PM

ZedLXI said:
Wouldn't the Kingston ram just have to fit in the end slots?

Yes I think you can do that.

The Lian Li PC-A71F won't be that heavy seeing as it's made of aluminium. At ~20lbs it will actually be lighter than the Antec P180 which apparently is 31lbs. Can't comment on it's noise.
May 11, 2011 6:58:47 PM

damian86 said:
Why would you go for the A71F? its ugly (in my opinion) and must be heavy,I saw it comes with a bunch of stuff and its full of screws. If you are concerned about the fan noise then I think you could replace them with quiet fans. It comes with 2 140mm front fans and 2 120 mm rear fans. I dont think they are noisy maybe around 20db. As far as I know that case is huge, What are you looking for? a full atx, for a server, or a normal gaming pc with liguid cooling?

I'm actually just after a normal gaming pc. It just so happens that the A71F is the same price as the smaller PC-B10 and I figure It'll be better for cooling with the extra fan. Plus lots of room if I do decide to water cool in the future. And I really have to disagree with you about the looks. Its just about the nicest looking case out there in that price range.
May 11, 2011 9:55:24 PM

I've given it a go but I'm to dyslectic to read off of google translate. Any one up for giving it a go?
May 11, 2011 10:06:33 PM

Z68 motherboards are now on sale and definitely worth considering but wait a week or 2 until theres some reviews
May 11, 2011 10:27:20 PM

I can wait
May 11, 2011 10:43:18 PM

I tried reading the translated version as well, but as usual the google translation is not up to much. Another problem is that it doesn't look much like they used the stock Lian Li fans in whatever sound testing they did.

SPCR reviewed another Lian Li tower (mid tower), I'm shooting in the dark a bit, but it's possible that they used the same fans in both cases, they are the same size and spin at the same speed. So to some extent, what they say about these fans could give you an idea of what the fans in the A71F will sound like.
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article1146-page6.html
Can't seem to find noise recordings for those fans, which SPCR usually have.
May 12, 2011 9:44:44 AM

Well, if you translapte with google it says fan noise shown below as aprox 19db, producing 87CFH weird they measured in hour rate. It is a good case for your future liquid cooling equipment. I think the Corsair Obsidian is also a great case for that(the 700D)
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=24552&page=1


It should have plenty of room, I like it because of the great cable managment. The 800D is a bit more expensive, but I think its because of the usb 3.0?

For my future pc, Iam planning to get the Antec 1200.
May 12, 2011 8:48:00 PM

I must admit I do like the 700D. The cable management is 2nd to none. I'm not to keen on the window on the 800D (what's up with the weird curve) but the hot swap drive bay is pretty cool. Not worth the price difference imo though. It's a close call but I think the Lain Li still has it. It just looks so dam nice.
May 13, 2011 10:05:02 AM

ZedLXI said:
I must admit I do like the 700D. The cable management is 2nd to none. I'm not to keen on the window on the 800D (what's up with the weird curve) but the hot swap drive bay is pretty cool. Not worth the price difference imo though. It's a close call but I think the Lain Li still has it. It just looks so dam nice.


Yeah, I kinda like it too, and I agree with the funny shape of the window(even the Antec1200 looks better),but your :ian li doesnt come with side window, which wont let you show off your water cooling system...that is a big con for me.

For example in this review, it says that you can mount a triple 120 mm radiator on top which also sounds great.

It it was me, I would mount them on the bottom. On the bottom should be cooler than the top?I guess it would have space at the top for the psu. BTW the link I sent you is for the 800D which is more expensive.The 650D is a mid tower.I struggled to find any other full tower with side window.It would be nice if you could get a side panel for the lien li.

Anyway, if you go for the Lian-li,and you dont like the fans you can get some silent fans, they are not expensive but I dont think they will give you trouble.I dont know it the lien li comes with the rubber for the fan vibration,thats a nice feature. Are you planning a full water cooled or just cpu?
May 13, 2011 1:00:03 PM

I'm just planing for the future. I'm not gonna be water cooling yet. When I do I'll go for the howl shabang. And I'll get a side panel window to go with it.

What should I be looking at in terms of quiet fans?
May 13, 2011 1:15:45 PM

ZedLXI said:
I'm just planing for the future. I'm not gonna be water cooling yet. When I do I'll go for the howl shabang. And I'll get a side panel window to go with it.

What should I be looking at in terms of quiet fans?


OK. Nice. In case you have to change them, for example you need to be looking at silent fans but at the same time the ones to produce more airflow.Some brands designs them to produce more airflow.Now, the more speed you give them, the more noise it will produce. for me above 30 or 35 db would be noisy.There are good fans that can produce in minimum-medium speeds about 20 db. Here is an example

http://www.silentpcreview.com/article695-page1.html

The Noctuas are good ones, a lot of people uses them.Try to find the ones that have a balanced airflow(CFM) and noise(db). Thry normally cost around £15 or so.


May 16, 2011 9:43:10 PM

Thanks for all your help. All of your advice is greatly appreciated.

So this is the revised build

GPU - 2 x 1GB MSI GTX 460 Cyclone
CPU Cooler - Thermalright Archon
CPU - Intel Core i5-2500k
Motherboard - Z68 Extreme4
PSU - Corsair HX750w
Memory - Kingston HyperX T1 8GB (2x4GB) Memory Kit (KHX1600C9D3T1K2/8GX)
Case - Lian Li PC-A71F
Storage - Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB

I'll also be getting Noctuas to replace the case fans.

I'm still not shore about the CPU cooler though. Quietness is a priority for me so is there anything else people would suggest that'll fit next to my ram? Something that's a bit closer to silent?
May 17, 2011 1:05:59 AM

Hi again, nice to see you sound almost 'done'. IMO, for silent coolers Noctuas are doing a pretty good job but for me they are ugly..and there is a problem with the NH-D14 , its too freaking huge and it will interfere with the ram for sure

http://www.silentpcreview.com/article1020-page3.html Crazy, eh?? not sure about that one...

Ive been reading reviews this afternoon but Im struggling with cpu coolers too,I want to find one to keep an eye on.


http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/lga-1156-heatsink,2...

I'm not sure, but this one maybe the one

http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/thermalright_si... still huge,but I dont think its as big as the noctua? Im interested on this,more help needed.



May 17, 2011 8:10:02 AM

The Silver Arrow outperforms the Noctua NH-D14 by one or two degrees, but it is equally as big. I don't have my heatsink research with me atm so I could be wrong, but it's not like it would fit where the NH-D14 wouldn't. It also uses the same fans as the Archon, so if the Archon isn't going to be quiet enough then the Silver Arrow won't be either.

If I was you I'd give the Thermalright TY-140 fan a go, if it is too loud for you then you can just change the fan. IMO the fans on the GPUs will be louder than the Thermalright TY-140.

If you are looking for a fanless heatsink then one of the best choices is probably the Thermalright HR-02. You can still add fans to it if it doesn't cool the processor as well as it needs to.
May 17, 2011 9:14:08 AM

damian86 said:
You could have a cheaper case and spend that money on a better graphics card


I totally agree, he can just get a cheap case and get good PSU later on, but too me the GPU is good enough. Who knows, maybe he doesn't wanna increase electricity budget ?
May 17, 2011 9:31:25 AM

hm I don't know..I was also looking at the Venomous X, it doesnt look bad+ you can install a 140mm fan on it as well,probably the same fans. I think both of them will keep the i5 well cooled

May 18, 2011 12:58:25 AM

Silvune said:
The Silver Arrow outperforms the Noctua NH-D14 by one or two degrees, but it is equally as big. I don't have my heatsink research with me atm so I could be wrong, but it's not like it would fit where the NH-D14 wouldn't. It also uses the same fans as the Archon, so if the Archon isn't going to be quiet enough then the Silver Arrow won't be either.

If I was you I'd give the Thermalright TY-140 fan a go, if it is too loud for you then you can just change the fan. IMO the fans on the GPUs will be louder than the Thermalright TY-140.

If you are looking for a fanless heatsink then one of the best choices is probably the Thermalright HR-02. You can still add fans to it if it doesn't cool the processor as well as it needs to.


I'll give the Archon a go then. Like you say if it's to loud I can change the fan. Now I just wish I didn't have to wait till the end of exams to get it.
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