New ~£800 build, gone over budget!

[pulseezar]

It's that time again! After giving my parents my last build to use while I was out of the country for aaaaaages they have decided to keep it and so I need something new. They have agreed to give me up to £800 for a new PC as this was about the cost of my old one. I have tried to tell them they can get all they need for half that price but they won't listen, and now I really want some new stuff

The essentials:
This build will be for gaming at 1920x1200.
I'd prefer to go Nvidia but could be convinced otherwise.
Unlikely to be overclocking.
Will not be needing monitor, keyboard + mouse, speakers or OS.
I am in the UK, I work in pounds sterling (£). I usually use scan and ebuyer, sometimes amazon.
I have built plenty of PCs before with few accidents.

Right now the build is looking like this:

CPU Intel Core i5 2400 £143.99
CPU Fan Coolermaster Hyper 212 Plus £18.95
Motherboard Asus P8P67 Pro £148.40
GPU 1GB Palit GTX 460 Sonic Platinum £164.95
RAM 6GB (3x2GB) Corsair DDR3 XMS3 Classic, PC3-16000 (2000) £112.76
PSU 650W Corsair HX Series £95.58
HDD 1TB Western Digital WD10EALX 7200RPM 32MB SATA 6Gb/s £50.95
DVD Sony AD-7260S-0B £14.27
Wireless Edimax EW-7612PIn 300Mbps 802.11 b/g/n £17.60
Case Lian Li PC-K58B Lancool Dragon Lord K Series £55.18

Giving us a grand total of £839.41

So my questions are as follows:

1) What do you think of the build, anything you would change?

2) How can I shave about £50 off this? I'm looking at the mobo and PSU as stand out high cost compenents that could perhaps be changed...

All opinions greatly appreciated!

 

[Why_Me]

There's a bug with the 1155 boards and they fixed ones won't be out until early April est....

btw you have triple channel RAM for a dual channel board.

 

[batuchka]

This is me usual 550 quid gamer config over the email suggestion for UK peeps ^^
Off Ebuyer UK

 

[Silvune]

The Antec Truepower New TPN-650 80Plus Bronze Modular power supply is usually around £70, it is not as efficient as the Corsair 650HX, but if you want to save money that is one good way of doing it.

However why me has already pointed out the most effective way to get back under budget, and that is to lose the 6GB of RAM, for most uses 4GB is plenty, however you can even get 8GB for cheaper than that 6GB set.

In performance terms you cannot really beat the Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB, because it is faster than the 1TB drives from WD, cheaper, quieter and cooler.

 

[simon12]

+1 the ram you selected is triple channel and you need dual channel for that system. This 8Gb set is only £95 http://www.ebuyer.com/product/248846 this hdd saves £10 http://www.ebuyer.com/product/173804 this PSU saves £30 http://www.ebuyer.com/product/135514 This should get you back under budget without compromising anything.

 

[simon12]

Also just noticed thats a very expensive 460GTX

 

[simon12]

I just saw this 2500K £155.99 http://www.aria.co.uk/SuperSpecials/newsletter?productId=43635&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Intel+Core+i5-2500K+3.30GHz+(Sandybridge)+Socket+LGA1155+Processor+-+OEM&utm_campaign=newsletter070211

 

[Why_Me]

http://www.pcstats.com/NewsView.cfm?NewsID=89042 <---- P67 Recall The new P67 boards are expected to be on the shelves by early April. Until then do not get one of these boards.

Now here's a build that will fit your budget...in April. The mobo in this build has been pulled off the shelves seeing that Asrock was responsible enough to not let stores sell this defective product...ALL P67 Motherboards have this defect.

Anyways here's the build to fit your budget...but it's a pretend build for now.

http://www.madshrimps.be/articles/article/1000116/ASRock-P67-Extreme4-Motherboard-Review/0 <--- Fairly recent review of the ASRock P67 Extreme4 with some o/c tips and great screenies.

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/1098/pg10/asrock-extreme4-p67-and-fatal1ty-professional-p67-vs-x58-with-core-i7-950-review-overclocking.html <--- Recent yet not so in depth review of that same board.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/gigabyte-gtx-560-ti-soc-review/2 <----- Gigabyte GTX 560 SO Edition review

http://www.legionhardware.com/articles_pages/gigabyte_geforce_gtx_560_ti_soc.html <----- Gigabyte GTX 560 SO Edition review

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/lian-li-pc-k58b-lancool-dragon-lord-k-series-mid-tower-gaming-case-w-o-psu £55.18 Inc VAT
Lian Li PC-K58B Lancool Dragon Lord K Series Mid Tower Gaming Case w/o PSU

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/245669 £91.90 inc. vat Free Delivery
Antec 750W High Current Gamer - 80plus Bronze 13.5cm Fan 4x PCI-E 9x SATA

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/252617 £115.10 inc. vat Free Delivery
Asrock P67 Extreme4 P67 Socket 1155 USB 3.0 8 Channel Audio ATX Motherboard

http://www.aria.co.uk/SuperSpecials/newsletter?productId=43635&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Intel+Core+i5-2500K+3.30GHz+(Sandybridge)+Socket+LGA1155+Processor+-+OEM&utm_campaign=newsletter070211 £155.99 inc. VAT
Intel Core i5-2500K 3.30GHz (Sandybridge) Socket LGA1155 Processor - OEM

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/coolermaster-hyper-212-plus-4-heat-pipes-with-120mm-quiet-fan-lga775-1155-1156-1366-am2-am2plus-am3 £18.95 Inc VAT
Coolermaster Hyper 212 Plus CPU Cooler

http://www.aria.co.uk/SuperSpecials/Other+products/4GB+Mushkin+(2x2GB)+DDR3+PC3-10666+9-9-9-24+Silverline+-+996768+?productId=41783 £35.99 inc. VAT
4GB Mushkin (2x2GB) DDR3 PC3-10666 9-9-9-24 Silverline - 996768

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/220986 £11.99 inc. vat
Sony Optiarc AD-5260S 24x DVD±RW & DL SATA Optical Drive - OEM Black

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/173804 £39.99 inc. vat
Samsung HD103SJ Spinpoint F3 1TB Hard Drive SATAII 7200rpm 32MB Cache

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/253955 £224.99 inc. vat Free Delivery
Gigabyte GTX 560 SO Edition 1GB GDDR5 Dual DVI HDMI Out PCI-E Graphics Card

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/edimax-ew-7612pin-300mbps-wireless-80211-b-g-n-pci-express-adapter £17.60 Inc VAT
Edimax EW-7612PIn 300Mbps Wireless 802.11 b/g/n PCI Express Adapter

Total: £768.48 inc. vat

 

[Silvune]

Don't get the Corsair 650TX because it's efficiency is even lower again than the Antec Truepower New TPN-650, it also has less connectors for video cards. I wouldn't suggest buying a Corsair 650TX until and unless it is named 650TXV2, and that's if it's price doesn't go up which it is bound to.

 

[Why_Me]

Don't get the Corsair 650TX because it's efficiency is even lower again than the Antec Truepower New TPN-650, it also has less connectors for video cards. I wouldn't suggest buying a Corsair 650TX until and unless it is named 650TXV2, and that's if it's price doesn't go up which it is bound to.

Who's going to buy a 650w for two 560's ?

 

[sync_nine]

This is me usual 550 quid gamer config over the email suggestion for UK peeps ^^
Off Ebuyer UK

2 things are bizarre about your build.

1) The PSU is 520W and with 80% efficiency, you would get 416W, which isn't enough for a GTX 560+CPU
I suggest at least at 600 or 650W PSU

2) The Mobo you are taking has a only 1 PCIe slot x16 and the other is x1, And the GTX 560 is a dual slot card. Which means the GTX 560 will give poor performance with a x16 and x1 PCIe lane.

 

[ScrewySqrl]

2 things are bizarre about your build.

1) The PSU is 520W and with 80% efficiency, you would get 416W, which isn't enough for a GTX 560+CPU
I suggest at least at 600 or 650W PSU

2) The Mobo you are taking has a only 1 PCIe slot x16 and the other is x1, And the GTX 560 is a dual slot card. Which means the GTX 560 will give poor performance with a x16 and x1 PCIe lane.

what the heck are you talking about?

a dual-slot card takes up 2 'slots' of width on the case's expansion ports. It has nothing to do with the slots on the motherboard itself. also a 520w is PLENTY for a single GTX 560:

in this, you see that at load it's using 358W. It also needs only 24 Amps.

 

[Motopsychojdn]

@Sync,
You made me rofl,
I hold out the psu comment, but the graphics card 'logic'?
you seem to think a dual slot card requires two pcie lanes to operate,
they just physically take up the space of two lanes whilst plugged into one
I.E. the x16 lane in this case, the green socket on that board
Moto

 

[Silvune]

sync_nine, you misunderstand what efficiency means. Efficiency is to do with converting AC power into DC power that computer components use. So an 80% efficient 500W PSU will draw 20% more power than it actually provides or 600W from the wall (when the power supply is actually providing 500W).

@Why_me, there's no reason why anyone shouldn't run GTX 560 SLI off a good 650W PSU, as according to Guru3D, such a system only draws 450W from the wall, which will hardly make a good 650W PSU sweat.
http://guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-560-ti-sli-review/14

 

[Why_Me]

sync_nine, you misunderstand what efficiency means. Efficiency is to do with converting AC power into DC power that computer components use. So an 80% efficient 500W PSU will draw 20% more power than it actually provides or 600W from the wall (when the power supply is actually providing 500W).

@Why_me, there's no reason why anyone shouldn't run GTX 560 SLI off a good 650W PSU, as according to Guru3D, such a system only draws 450W from the wall, which will hardly make a good 650W PSU sweat.
http://guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-560-ti-sli-review/14

http://guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-560-ti-sli-review/14 <--- Great link...now let me post the part you must have missed on that page.

GeForce GTX 560 Ti in 2-way SLI

A second card requires you to add another ~175 Watts. You need a 700+ Watt power supply unit if you use it in a high-end system (800+ to a KiloWatt is recommended if you plan on any overclocking).

And that's not even for the SOC Gigabyte I posted in that build. It's a solid 750w or nothing, especially if there's going to be any o/c involved.

 

[ScrewySqrl]

power supply use is CHRONICALLY overestimated all over the net.

a single 560ti needs 24 amps of power on the 12v rail(s), and at full power draws 317-360W depending on the rest of the system.

the Antec 520W PSU has an up to 160W cushion, and 40 amps on a single 12v rail, a 16 amp cushion for overclocking. It has enough power to handle *any* single card on the market right now, up to a GTX 580.

 

[Silvune]

Yes I did miss that, but it doesn't make any difference. If the system (with two GTX 560 Tis) is drawing 450watts from the wall, then a good 650W PSU is going to be able to do that all day.

And I think taking into account that the i7-965 is extremely power hungry, more so than anything discussed in this thread so far, will probably compensate for the more power hungry version of the GTX 560 Ti.

 

[powerpie5000]

How about using the 650W Cooler Master GX PSU (Currently £57.39 on ebuyer)... It uses a single +12V rail rated at 52A which i believe is more than enough for your setup

 

[simon12]

Did I miss something when did anyone suggest using 2 x 560s its over half the budget on its own.

 

[Why_Me]

Did I miss something when did anyone suggest using 2 x 560s its over half the budget on its own.

You missed the entire thread Simon. Here let me explain it to you seeing how you missed BOTH post where I even posted a link.

First off the P67 boards are defective. I know this is American English but I believe that word translates the same on both sides of the Atlantic. Now (eta) of early April the new and fixed P67 boards will be out on the shelves. Now did you see the build I posted on here Simon ? Take a good look, and then look down at the bottom of that build where I posted the total price. It's well under the OP's budget (when the OP was over), not to mention it has a SOC 560 in that build along with a 2500K, and a rock solid 750w psu.

Now I'm reading the post on this thread and I'm wondering to myself how many peeps got lobotomy's recently. Either the OP can get buggered with a crap build and not meet his budget...let's not forgot the 460 in that build and the locked cpu he has, or he can end up with a 560 and set up to add another.

Maybe in Europe having a gtx 460, 650w psu and locked cpu > 2500K, SOC 560, and 750w psu...but here the states we see it different. We actually believe getting better hardware for cheaper is a good thing.

Now what would you do Simon ?

 

[Silvune]

I believe that a 750W PSU is better than a 650W PSU, when it's needed. Based on the use of two GTX 560 Tis, a 750W PSU is unnecessary. Obviously if pulseezar wants to have the option to upgrade to something more power hungry then he'd be better off with the 750W PSU.

And I don't think anyone has disagreed your build so far why me, we're just debating why you think a 750w PSU is necessary, which it most certainly is not. Why spend ~£20 more than necessary on a power supply? Again unless he has other plans.

If pulseezar can wait for Sandy bridge then he obviously should, again there has been no debating that.

Simon, we're talking about the possibility to add a second GTX 560 Ti at some point in the future, if Pulseezar so wishes.

 

[powerpie5000]

You missed the entire thread Simon. Here let me explain it to you seeing how you missed BOTH post where I even posted a link.

First off the P67 boards are defective. I know this is American English but I believe that word translates the same on both sides of the Atlantic

Yes it means the same thing and i'm not sure when the word "defective" became "American English" as you put it... It's always been plain English as far as i'm aware.

Maybe in Europe having a gtx 460, 650w psu and locked cpu > 2500K, SOC 560, and 750w psu...but here the states we see it different. We actually believe getting better hardware for cheaper is a good thing.

Ok, so simon overlooked part of this thread... So what? We're only human and do unfortunately make mistakes/miss things... Which i'm sure you can agree. Implying that Europeans are thick and Americans are more intelligent is definitely not the way to go... I'm sorry but i absolutely despise "American elitist" attitudes. The US is also far from perfect and everyone knows it, so don't go around insulting people's intelligence and especially their place of origin... It's not on.

Rant over.

 

[Why_Me]

Yes it means the same thing and i'm not sure when the word "defective" became "American English" as you put it... It's always been plain English as far as i'm aware.



Ok, so simon overlooked part of this thread... So what? We're only human and do unfortunately make mistakes/miss things... Which i'm sure you can agree. Implying that Europeans are thick and Americans are more intelligent is definitely not the way to go... I'm sorry but i absolutely despise "American elitist" attitudes. The US is also far from perfect and everyone knows it, so don't go around insulting people's intelligence and especially their place of origin... It's not on.

Rant over.

You are correct and I was entirely out of line with my comment. I mean no disrespect and I offer my apologies to anyone who might have been offended by my previous post on here.

 

[pulseezar]

Erm, anyway...

Thanks for the advice, i'm about to order this unless anyone has any last minute alterations.

Intel Core i5 2400, Socket 1155 £119.99 (scan.co.uk)
Lian Li PC-K58B Lancool Dragon Lord £45.98 (scan.co.uk)
650W Corsair HX Series, Modular £75.99 (scan.co.uk)
Asus P8P67 Pro £98.02 (ebuyer)
Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus £15.61 (ebuyer)
WD 1TB 3.5" Hard Drive SATA 6GB/s £38.64 (ebuyer)
Corsair 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 2000Mhz £62.49 (ebuyer)
Gigabyte GTX 560 OC 1GB £164.15 (ebuyer)
Edimax 300mbps Wireless £14.04 (ebuyer)
Sony Optiarc AD-7260B £10.83 (ebuyer)

+ £80.79 VAT for ebuyer giving me a total of like £796.

WOO HOO!

 

[Why_Me]

Erm, anyway...

Thanks for the advice, i'm about to order this unless anyone has any last minute alterations.

Intel Core i5 2400, Socket 1155 £119.99 (scan.co.uk)
Lian Li PC-K58B Lancool Dragon Lord £45.98 (scan.co.uk)
650W Corsair HX Series, Modular £75.99 (scan.co.uk)
Asus P8P67 Pro £98.02 (ebuyer)
Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus £15.61 (ebuyer)
WD 1TB 3.5" Hard Drive SATA 6GB/s £38.64 (ebuyer)
Corsair 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 2000Mhz £62.49 (ebuyer)
Gigabyte GTX 560 OC 1GB £164.15 (ebuyer)
Edimax 300mbps Wireless £14.04 (ebuyer)
Sony Optiarc AD-7260B £10.83 (ebuyer)

+ £80.79 VAT for ebuyer giving me a total of like £796.

WOO HOO!

I rest my case.... But I do want to congratulate you on getting less yet still paying more £. Don't ever go into banking

No erm anyway pulseezar. That build is all wrong. The cpu that you have chosen is a "locked cpu" the cpu's with the "K" after them are "unlocked' which means you can over clock them. Seeing how you have chosen a "locked cpu" there is no reason to get a P67 motherboard. The P67 motherboards are for over clocking the Sandy Bridge cpu's that have the letter K after them. Not only that but the motherboard you have chosen is a single card mobo. So no need for a 650w psu, and seeing how you will never over clock that cpu there is surely no need for an after market heat sink.

And you might as well save yourself some more money and get a 550w psu. That 650w will be a total waste...no over clocking, and no adding another vid card. btw good luck on getting the rated speed on that RAM you chose seeing how it's 1.65v and these 1155 boards work a lot better with low voltage RAM.