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July 7, 2010 5:59:47 PM

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: 1-4 wekks BUDGET RANGE: £300-400 could strech to 450-500if its going to be alot better

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: gaming(bfbc2 cod uo, 6 and 7), surfing the internet

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: any english or european.list of euro webbys
http://www.somucheasier.co.uk/computers.html

COUNTRY OF ORIGIN:england

PARTS PREFERENCES: none

OVERCLOCKING: No SLI OR CROSSFIRE: don't know what this is

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS:
I don't mind if its prebuilt or homebuilt or prebuilt and adding bits to it. i found a pc prebuilt with specs below as a marker post really im looking for the most i can get for the cheapest price, who isnt. Please post replys explaining why it would be better than this. thanks for any help

Operating System MS Windows Vista Home Premium 64bit
Processor Type Intel Core 2 Quad Q8200
Processor Speed 2.33 GHz
RAM Size 4 GB
RAM Technology DDR II SDRAM
Hard Drive Capacity 640 GB
Hard Drive Interface SATA
Optical Drive DVDRW
Graphics GeForce GTX260
Networking 1xEthernet 1xIEEE 1394 (FireWire)
USB Ports 8
Case Design Tower
Colour Black

More about : build 300 400

July 8, 2010 2:39:11 AM

its not bad build but theres only ways you could get better perfermance and 1 of them is building the computer from scratch if you know how to do it. Theres not alot of buids you can get for that much money. if you want a good gaming computer you can get one for about 800 euros at the following link. I belive they ship to euro
http://www.digitalstormonline.com/compspecialdeals.asp
July 8, 2010 10:40:13 AM

Needing an operating system means you lose £80 immediately.
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Microsoft-Windows-7-Home...

At that budget I would suggest going AMD as it is cheaper and the socket is more upgradeable (you don't have to replace the motherboard to upgrade the processor)

Gigabyte GA-MA770T-ES3 - £58.71
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Gigabyte-GA-MA770T-ES3-A...(x16)-DDR3-1666-1333-SATA-3Gb-s-RAID-ATX

AMD3 440 3ghz Tri core - £61.62
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/AMD-Athlon-II-X3-440-Ran...

Samsung Spinpoint F3 500gb - £34.89
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/500Gb-Samsung-Spinpoint-...

Dual Layer DVD Drive - £13.88
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Samsung-SH-S223C-BEBE-22...

Case - £25.24
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Xclio-3060-PLUS-Black-Si...!

Silverstone 500W PSU - £43.39
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/500W-Silverstone-Strider...

G Skill Ripjaw RAM - £97.99
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/180490

Total: £336.32
Plus Windows 7 (OEM version) - £412.78

Graphics card 5770 - £115.13
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/1GB-MSI-HD-5770-PCI-E-21...(x16)-4800MHz-GDDR5-GPU-850MHz-800Cores-DisplayPort-DL-DVI-I-HDMI

Total: £525.91

Sadly this is over your extended budget

You could save some money by going with cheaper RAM, or even decreasing to 2gb (will cost save about 40-50 which will take you below £500) - you can always buy another 2gb at a later date when you can aford it.

Why do I consider this build better?
1) All the parts are of decent quality (prebuilt tend to use cheap RAM, PSU, cheap HDD, who knows what motherboard is in it)

2) The build is modern - it uses DDR3 RAM and AMD CPU - this means it is easily upgradeable - when you have more money you can replace the CPU with a Phenom II x4 955 without having to replace anything else. The build you posted is old tech and has no where to go - you cannot replace the CPU with a significantly better one because it requires the motehrboard and RAM to also be replaced.

3) the 5770 is modern technology, whereas the GTX260 is technology. Performance wise they are very similar.

3) The processor is fast and is triple core - this is all you need for modern gaming. Quad core has shown to be significant performance gains over dual core, however, in reviews it has shown that it is actually the addition of the third core in a processor that brings the big performance gains in games and not the 4th. So the tri core processor is all you need for now, and again, unlike Intel, 6 or so months down the line you can easily upgrade it

4) Windows 7 instead of Vista - this alone is a big improvement, Vista is the new Windows Millenium, I could not recommend Vista to anyone even when XP was the only alternative, but now that Windows 7 is out I think it would be crazy to get Vista.

I have to confess, the Power supply I suggested was just because it is a good brand, but personally I would actually get

650W Modular - £45.80
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/650W-Powercool-PC650UM-M...

I did not recommend it in the main list because I would get beaten down by everybody - no one likes to go with the unknown. But from personal experience, Scan is a great reliable and trustworthy site, and with that I trust their own PSU and so far have not been disappointed. So I am throwing this option in just for you to be aware of, it is up to you whether you take the 'risk' by going with something unknown

I have used Scan for most items as I like their site, but www.novatech.co.uk, www.ebuyer.com and www.overclockers.co.uk are sites worth checking out for parts to see if any are cheaper
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July 8, 2010 11:40:20 AM

I agree with the above, scan are a good site, and tend not to put c*** on there.
On a purely cos saving exercise, if you didn't need an ATX board, you could go for this cheaper MATX board and save a tenner

MOBO - Gigabyte GA-MA78LMT-S2 - £46
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Gigabyte-GA-MA78LMT-S2-A...

Or if you needed the ATX size, this MSI board is a bit cheaper
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/MSI-770-C45-AM3-PCI-E-20...

I would go for this case, as although it is marginally more expensive, it is a better make, and more importantly has an exhaust fan built in. (Adding a fan to the previous case would cost more)

CASE - Xigmatek ASGARD - £26.78
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Xigmatek-ASGARD-Black-Mi...


You could save another tenner on the PSU, this corsair unit has enough wattage, and has the bonus of being a reputable make

PSU - 400W Corsair CMPSU-400CXUK - £35
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/400W-Corsair-CMPSU-400CX...

My revisions (Matx board option) with OS come out to £510
July 8, 2010 12:20:38 PM

I just grabbed the cheapest case with a big fan, for the small price difference Hereisphilly's choice sounds like a good one.

MicroATX can indeed save money, I just went with ATX because it is always what I go with, but as it is a budget PC a micro ATX is fine.

I am in a minority, but I would go with the 650W because it is a PSU I could use in the future, however, if you feel more comfortable going with a reputable make then go with the 400W mentioned aboe
July 8, 2010 12:30:14 PM

asteldian said:
I just grabbed the cheapest case with a big fan, for the small price difference Hereisphilly's choice sounds like a good one.

MicroATX can indeed save money, I just went with ATX because it is always what I go with, but as it is a budget PC a micro ATX is fine.

I am in a minority, but I would go with the 650W because it is a PSU I could use in the future, however, if you feel more comfortable going with a reputable make then go with the 400W mentioned aboe


I was going with it purely because it was cheaper. I totally agree with you about higher rated unit unit in this case
July 8, 2010 11:57:15 PM

thanks guys that has explained and helped me alot im not to worry about taking a 'risk' for the higher wattage.
just a few questions

by cheaper ram do you mean a less knows make or just slower?

how much more would it be for a decent quad core? and is it worth going for it to sort of future proof myself?

is the motherboard's youve selected compatable with the 1600 ram i cant see that it says it is (me being blind prob)

July 8, 2010 11:59:44 PM

ace700 said:
its not bad build but theres only ways you could get better perfermance and 1 of them is building the computer from scratch if you know how to do it. Theres not alot of buids you can get for that much money. if you want a good gaming computer you can get one for about 800 euros at the following link. I belive they ship to euro
http://www.digitalstormonline.com/compspecialdeals.asp




they may ship to europe but the problem would be uk customs they would charge me alot thnaks anyway
July 9, 2010 12:09:02 AM

The Corsair CX 400 is cheaper than the Powercool and will last a lot longer than it. And the Powercool is almost the same price as that Silverstone unit. Which is realistically only 50watts less powerful, if that.

It would be about £30 more for a quad core, and no it's not worth it in a £300-400 budget when you're thinking about skimping on the PSU. And as asteldan explained CPUs aren't the primary factor in gaming performance in most cases.

You could go for generic/no-name brand RAM. Which might be a bit more difficult to set up. I'm not convinced that 1066mhz RAM would be significantly cheaper than 1333/1600mhz to be worth going down to. Yes 1600mhz RAM will work with the Gigabyte GA-MA770T-ES3 motherboard.
July 9, 2010 8:41:36 AM

By cheaper I meant no brand. Personally I prefer not to take such a risk - in an experimental build I did (trying to use cheap stuff to see what money really can be saved) I used generic RAM, and after 2 RMAs and eventually sending all back for a refund I confirmed for myself that RAM was definately not worth skimping on. The Powercool however did impress me, of course I can't confirm its quality for sure until another couple of years I think (hence only adding it as a potential option rather than part of the main build suggestion) - but the 750W had decent 12V AMP (64A total compared to 72A from a Silverstone) and was modular and has not exploded so I consider that good :p 

I am certainly no expert on PSUs, so I would certainly bow to Silvunes opinion on them. I am curious though, how do you consider te 650W to only be 50W more powerful than the Silverstone - does the 12V Amp suggest that or are you assuming that due to Silverstone being good quality and the 650W likely not?
July 9, 2010 6:20:09 PM

Ok I said that before checking the specs properly for the Silverstone. And I was basing it on the Powercool only having 528 watts on the 12V rail (when you add 22 and 22 together, which might not be the maximum combined amperage). The Silverstone it turns out only has 408 watts - I was expecting it to be circa 450 on the 12V.

Apparently the Silverstone doesn't have the best OEM, so maybe it would be a better bet to get something like this instead: Silverpower SP-SS-500 Green Power £48 And then there's the Be Quiet Pure Power 530 on ebuyer, but unless free shipping still applies over there then everything would have to be switched to avoid incurring extra delivery costs.

Asteldan, I have sent you a PM - heads up.
July 9, 2010 10:53:09 PM

hi guys thanks for the help again i found this power supply and case would it be ok?

Coolermaster Elite 330 Case With Coolermaster eXtreme Power 460W PSU
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/135101


back to the ram again if i go down to 2gb how much will it effect the peformance?

is it better to have 2x 1gb or is 1x 2gb just as good?

i was thinking i could just get 2 gb and then get another 2gb in a few monthes?

kingston 2gb ram 1600mhz £48
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/169270

crucial 1gb ram 1333mhz £22
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/159922
July 9, 2010 11:50:33 PM

I survived on 2gb RAM with Windows 7 for a month and had pretty good performance, it was nice to get the 4gb back, but things coped fine with 2gb. If you truly cannot afford the 4gb getting 2gb is an acceptable alternative for a short while
July 10, 2010 12:00:24 AM

Yep, that CM case is OK.
July 10, 2010 12:28:45 AM

asteldian said:
I survived on 2gb RAM with Windows 7 for a month and had pretty good performance, it was nice to get the 4gb back, but things coped fine with 2gb. If you truly cannot afford the 4gb getting 2gb is an acceptable alternative for a short while



is it better to have 2x 1gb or is 1x 2gb just as good?
July 10, 2010 11:14:12 AM

Well, I prefer to end up with 2 x 2gb - leaves spare slots for more RAM in case the day comes I need more.

So personally I would prefer 1 x 2gb stick. That's what I had while my other stick was RMA'd too.

If you get 2 x 1gb, then gte another 2 x 1 gb you are filling all the RAM slots, so if ever you needed to go beyond 4gb you would have to start replacing your RAM which would be a waste
Anonymous
July 10, 2010 2:05:13 PM

sorry to ask this question but would the

AMD Athlon II X3 440 3.0 be a decent gammer pc
for todays games like deus ex3 - bfdc2 - bioshock2.
i currently have xp but will upgrade sooner or later

current pc . amd 2.2 - 8400 gforce - 1 gig memory
July 10, 2010 3:21:30 PM

It is tri core so it works well for games, with the added advantage that as an AMD socket it means in year or more should you feel the need to upgrade to Quad core you can do so easily
Anonymous
July 10, 2010 3:29:54 PM

3 more questions please if i may
can u recomend a half decent mobo for this II X3 440 3.0

now as i currently run xp it would be 2 gig memory
would 1300 or 1600 memory be better ?

sound card / dvd drive / hard drive covered /

mid range graphics card to run todays games
say for a year or 2 at mid settings .
ty for your time
July 10, 2010 5:06:06 PM

Quote:
3 more questions please if i may
can u recomend a half decent mobo for this II X3 440 3.0

now as i currently run xp it would be 2 gig memory
would 1300 or 1600 memory be better ?

sound card / dvd drive / hard drive covered /

mid range graphics card to run todays games
say for a year or 2 at mid settings .
ty for your time




might be best to start your own thread check this guide before posting http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/261222-13-build-adv...
July 10, 2010 5:12:57 PM

Yes the Coolermaster Extreme Power 460 has a similiar wattage as the Silverstone/Silverpower's did, and is perfectly capable of delivering that power, and it's a decent deal, so yea.
July 10, 2010 6:31:08 PM

The 440 is a nice gamer chip yes,
as for a Mobo, have a look at
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/174597

I've used them in both mine and my Gf's builds, nice little boards

Another site for you to consider is Pixmania, I've had good dealings with them, between them, Scan and Ebuyer my components needs are well met :) 
Moto
July 11, 2010 10:17:15 PM

right so at the moment im looking at

AMD3 440 3ghz Tri core - £61.62
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/AMD [...] 95W-Retail

Graphics card 5770 - £115.13
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/1GB [...] DVI-I-HDMI

Dual Layer DVD Drive - £13.88
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Sam [...] -Black-OEM

Samsung Spinpoint F3 500gb - £34.89
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/500Gb-Samsung-Spinpoint-...

kingston 2gb ram 1600mhz £48
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/169270

Coolermaster Elite 330 Case With Coolermaster eXtreme Power 460W PSU £49.99
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/135101

ASROCK M3A770DE 770 £55.22
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/174597


ive managed to get a copy of windows 7
so total would be £378.73 + postage

ive selected this motherboard because it supports crossfire so its little bit future proofed i plan to up the ram to 4gb few monthes after i buy the parts.

ive been looking to get the

AMD Phenom II X4 955 £131
hhttp://www.ebuyer.com/product/190673

which would put the total at £448.11 + postage
am i correct in thinking again that this will make it more future proof?

is the power supply powerful enough for the moment?
im thinking this way when and if i want to update i can get another 5770 and a higher powered power supply
these are just my thoughts please tell me if i am right or wrong in thinking this


thanks for all your help every1
July 11, 2010 11:03:37 PM

Mobos like that are a bit misleading when they say that they support crossfire, as the board's PCI-E slots are divided into x16 and x4, rather than x8/x8 which would be better/ideal. I have not seen benchmarks with two 5770s on a 16/4 PCI-E split, but usually x4 is considered to be too slow to be worthwhile adding a graphics card to.

I think this is the cheapest motherboard that can support crossfire with at least two slots at x8: Asrock M3A790GXH/USB3 790GX £77.

Yes the Phenom II X4 955 is a very strong gaming chip.

Yes the PSU should be fine, as that system will not use a lot of power.
July 11, 2010 11:05:56 PM

thanks i was worried about the motherboard
July 12, 2010 6:02:35 AM

Yeah, If your X-firing it up, dont get M3a770's, they're 1x16,1x4 lane,
It didnt cross my mind to ask you if you were intending on that sorry man :) 
Moto
July 12, 2010 2:51:57 PM

The review I saw actually showed that x4 is not as crippling as expected. Having said that I would still suggest no less than 8/8, while x4 is not as crippling as expected, reducing a card to x4 to have 2 cards running kinda defeats the purpose of Xfire - if a game is not great at scaling with XFire you would find you get no real performacne gain at all
July 13, 2010 4:41:49 PM

asteldian said:
The review I saw actually showed that x4 is not as crippling as expected. Having said that I would still suggest no less than 8/8, while x4 is not as crippling as expected, reducing a card to x4 to have 2 cards running kinda defeats the purpose of Xfire - if a game is not great at scaling with XFire you would find you get no real performacne gain at all



im thinking of games in the future i wanted to be able to make the pc upgradable with ease with out replaceing what i have already spent money on i was thinking x-fire was way to do this am i wrong?
July 13, 2010 5:12:14 PM

Yes crossfire is a good upgrade option to have. He was saying that some games don't get much benefit even from dual x16 or dual x8 crossfire, so there would be no benefit in x16/x4 crossfire in that instance.
July 13, 2010 7:18:11 PM

Correct, you want at least a x8/x8 for crossfire. Apologies for my confusing and pointless ramblings, its just the mention of x4 had me thinking and I ended up voicing my thoughts. The difference between x16/x16 and x8/x8 is tiny (about 2-4% performance loss on 2x 5870) so it is not an issue. At x4/x4 the loss becomes far greater, not as bad as one would expect, but potentially bad enough to make the XFire pointless in some situations (which would be a real pain if you bought 2 nice cards)

Where my mind was wandering, which I apologise as it is not particularly relevant to this post but I feel the urge to muse, is that the more powerful the card, the more crippled it becomes at x8 or x4 speeds. So, arguably, a 5770 at x4 speeds would actually still perform rather well in Crossfire and is possibly the only card worth doing it with (I would guess the performance loss with 5770 at x4 would be the equivelant of the 5870 dropping from x16 to x8). This is not relevant to you as you are buying a new system so need to avoid crippling yourself with a x4/x4 Crossfire, but it could be helpful for any who had an older system.
That's if I am even right, this is just me spouting assumptions, I would be interested to see test results though :) 

July 13, 2010 7:29:36 PM

Yes so would I.
July 13, 2010 11:01:58 PM

Motopsychojdn said:
Yeah, If your X-firing it up, dont get M3a770's, they're 1x16,1x4 lane,
It didnt cross my mind to ask you if you were intending on that sorry man :) 
Moto



i wasnt planning on it till recently which is why at the top i said no but im thinking for an extra 22 quid now it gives me more options in the future


going back to the motherboard does it support ddr3 1600? it says it Supports DDR3 1600(OC) is this the same thing

thanks for all you help
July 14, 2010 12:11:24 AM

Yes it will support it, but you will have to set it in the BIOS to run at 1600mhz as it will default to 1333mhz.
July 14, 2010 12:27:45 AM

Silvune said:
Yes it will support it, but you will have to set it in the BIOS to run at 1600mhz as it will default to 1333mhz.



how easy is that to do?

is it deisigned for that or would i be better of with either 1333 ram or difrent mobo?

sorry if these questions sound very basic my knowledge isnt great well.. its non-exsistent
thanks for the patience and help

also is it worth the £60 or $90 for the 955 over the 440?

July 14, 2010 1:48:54 PM

Yes, 1600 will work. All it means is likely, when you put the RAM in, it will default the speed to 1333 (a system can always run the RAM slower, so even if 1600mhz was not compatible, you could use 1600mhz RAM, it would just run at lower speed) depending on the motherboard, in your Bios you will go to RAM settings and there will be some command which you simply switch to enabled and it then runs at 1600mhz. At least that's how my mobo did it - it is a painless process.

Also, if you have the extra £60, then yes, I would get the phenom x II 955, it is the best AMD CPU for gaming (one quick tweak in Bios turns it into a 965 too) but if getting it meant spending less elsewhere (eg the graphics card) I would not do it
July 16, 2010 1:48:17 PM

so basicly this


AMD Phenom II X4 955 - £131
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/190673

XFX ATI Radeon 5770 HD 1GB - £130
http://www.dabs.com/products/xfx-ati-radeon-5770-hd-1gb...

kingston 2gb ram 1600mhz - £50
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/169270

Coolermaster Elite 330 Case With Coolermaster eXtreme Power 460W PSU £55.99
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/135101

Asrock M3A790GXH/USB3 790GX - £77.
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/205156

500GB Samsung HD502HJ - £33
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/500Gb-Samsung-Spinpoint-...

Dual Layer DVD Drive - £14
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Samsung-SH-S223C-BEWE-22...

£491 +7 p&p £498


July 16, 2010 11:42:38 PM

thanks for the help again

just looking it seem the 1gb is better than the 5830 but the 768mb seems very similar there is £12.30 difrence but 5830 comes with mw2 so really the 460 - 768mb is £8 more expensive




"The GeForce GTX 460 768 MB, priced to match the Radeon HD 5830, is a little less attractive. The smaller frame buffer hurts performance at high resolutions with AA turned on, and a narrower memory bus translates into less bandwidth, consequently slowing things down in the rest of our tests. I’d rather spend the extra $20 and get the faster card, quite frankly." quote from http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/geforce-gtx-460-gf104-fer...
July 16, 2010 11:49:15 PM

Yeah, its all down to which reviews you read i guess.
I couldnt really choose between them, i'm an ati man, so would pick the 5830, but i know its not the best in the ati range, and the nvidia is newer tech...

hard choice i'm afraid
July 17, 2010 5:37:40 AM

The Anandtech review showed that a 460 768MB was significantly faster than a 5830.
I didn't bother reading the whole toms review as at one point I'm sure I saw the 5830 beating a 5850 in one benchmark, which I don't believe would ever happen.
July 17, 2010 11:51:21 AM

I would try to eek the extra cash for the 460 1gb, it is notably better than the 5830 and Overclocks very well so that you can end up with a card powerful enough to deal with most games at max at 1920 x 1080 resolution
July 17, 2010 12:46:34 PM

i dont think i can afford the 1gb unless i save money from somwhere else.
i dont really wanna spend over £500 at the moment and i def wont spend more than £520

i think really ill be looking at the 5770 and then crossfire-ing at a leter date (year or 2 when the 5770 comes down in price) i could prob stretch to the 460 - 768mb or the 5830 but i dont think its going to be worth it.

5770 = £130
8530 = £158 - £20
460 768mb = £152

is the 8530 a bargin £8($12) more than the 5770?

is the 460 768mb a bargin for £14($21) more than the 8530?

which one is going to be easier to crossfire/sli?

at the the moment my screen res is only 1280x768 but im hoping to get a 1920x1080 in about a month
July 17, 2010 5:02:06 PM

AMD boards with AMD chipsets can only crossfire. The one you have atm has an AMD chipset, so if you stuck with that board and you wanted to add a second card then you'd have to go with the 5830/5770 - AMD card. If you wanted the 460, and wanted to add a second card, you'd have to find a Nvidia chipset motherboard. I've found this one that can SLI: Asus M4N75TD NF 750a SLI AM3 £76

Some people (who actually have one) seem really pleased with a 5830, but I don't like the look of it.

I think the PSU in that bundle would restrict you to a 5770; a system with a 5830 or 460 wouldn't be drawing more than it could give, but they would be putting more load on it that I think I'd be comfortable with compared to a 5770.
July 17, 2010 5:50:53 PM

Doubtful.
Also it only claims to have 408watts on it's 12V rails, so even if it could deliver that safely it would be no more powerful than the Coolermaster Extreme Power Plus 460.
July 18, 2010 9:53:31 AM

a friend as told me that the

Coolermaster Elite 330 Case With Coolermaster eXtreme Power 460W PSU £55.99
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/135101

does not have the right connections that i need

am i corect in saying i need the following conections?

motherboard
24 pin ATX power connector
8 pin 12V power connector

graphics card
6-pin power connector

hardive
sata

cd drive
sata

which means the power supply is fine?

how much wattage would i need for

5830
5770+5770
5830+5830


thanks you for all the help and patience it is much appreciated im hoping to order later 2day or tomorrow morning
July 18, 2010 11:56:21 AM

ok ive been looking and i think i can only afford the 5770 i forgot about shipping on the 5830 which makes it 168 so im going to go with the 5770
July 18, 2010 7:24:45 PM

Yea the Coolermaster Extreme Power Plus 460 has all the correct connectors for the system you specced out on the 07-16-2010 at 01:48:17 PM. A system with one 5830 would draw ~350 watts under maximum load, so I think a PSU with 450 watts at least is about right. Two 5770s would probably draw ~400 watts, so 550 watts would be an ideal minimum. And two 5830s would be ~ 525 watts, so 700 watts would be my recommended minimum.
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