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August 3, 2010 12:26:51 PM

Hi there,

I am currently running a fairly old rig with an 8800 GTS 640 and whilst this has been a faithful computer it is time for me to move on. However I haven't really been keeping up with the technology and I'm abit confused. So here I am asking for your advice!

PURCHASE DEADLINE: Within 3-4 months, maybe sooner depending on the build.

BUDGET RANGE: £800, with some room for expansion in either direction.

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: I have most input devices but I have RAM from my old machine that may or may not be useful, I have 4gb's but I cannot check what it is from work (i will update the thread later)

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: Ebuyer, or any other trusted UK websites.

COUNTRY: United Kingdom

PARTS PREFERENCES: I would like to try and build the computer around 2 GTX 460's after seeing the great performance but I am open minded to other options.

OVERCLOCKING: I'm not very experienced with this, any help would be greatly appreciated.

SLI OR CROSSFIRE: Hoping to build the computer based around 2 GTX 460's

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS
If you could please include with and without RAM as I have a feeling the RAM that I own isn't very good and so having the option available to me would be great and as I've mentioned I'd love to build it around 2 GTX 460's but if that's unrealistic I understand.

EDIT:
1920x1080 display. No other salvagable parts other than RAM.

Thank you for your time.

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August 3, 2010 12:31:39 PM

We have to ascertain what h/w u are wishing to salvage but i would think those 4GB are DDR2?
August 3, 2010 12:33:55 PM

I believe so yes, as for salvaging. My current HDD is a really old IDE and I'm sick of the bloody thing. My motherboard is a 3 year old AMD one and I think I'd prefer an intel this time. Anything else won't be useful, espcially the old case.
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August 3, 2010 12:42:27 PM

Hmm for starters: u have a LCD and if so what resolution do u game on?
August 3, 2010 12:47:23 PM

I'm currently using a samsung syncmaster at 1680x1050. However this monitor is on it's last legs that is out of warranty (it flashes alot when turned on regardless on input) and I've already budgeted to have it replaced with a 24" Samsung.
August 3, 2010 1:05:16 PM

Before LCD/OS
August 3, 2010 2:22:56 PM

looks fantastic actually. I take it I can double up on the graphics card with that PSU and motherboard?
August 3, 2010 2:27:42 PM

Nope this would be a single GPU build - a beefy 80+ 600W was selected to accommodate the more powerful (single) GPU of tommorrow
August 3, 2010 2:31:18 PM

So do you recommend I stay with a single 460? was looking for abit more power than that really.
August 3, 2010 2:35:53 PM

Ya i always advocate single GPU solutions at the rate tech moves. Just Cause 2 made seemingly decent GPU look rubbish and who knows how resource hungry games later become so just upgrade to the best bang for games next gen ^^
August 3, 2010 2:40:12 PM

Maybe it's worth getting a 480 then? Granted they are hideously expensive. It would come out at just over my budget at £841. The reason I was interested in two 460's is that they perform better and 2 would actually be cheaper than a single 480.
August 3, 2010 2:43:08 PM

Ouch higher end Fermis no respectable reviewer has stated the GTX 470/480 better buys than HD 5850/5870 so...
August 3, 2010 2:50:02 PM

With Intel and an OS in the budget you will struggle to fit 2 x GTX 460s.

You are looking at about £164 for the mobo to do XFire/SLI
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Asus-P7P55D-E-PRO-P55-Ex...(OC)-USB-30-SATA-6Gb-s-SATA-RAID-ATX

XFX 650W PSU is £70
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/191826

i5 750 is £150
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Intel-Core-i5-750-Lynnfi...

G Skill 1600mhz 4gb RAM is £95
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/180490

GTX 460 is £170
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/1GB-EVGA-GTX-460-3600MHz...

Windows 7 is £75
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Microsoft-Windows-7-Home...

Samsung 500gb HDD - £35
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/146252

Antec 300 - £43
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Antec-300-Three-Hundred-...

Total: £802

You may need a DVD drive unless you salvage it from your old machine. Otherwise that build gives you everything you want...except you are £170 short of getting a second GTX460. But, on the bright side - the build is ready for it - the mobo can have two cards, the PSU can handle two cards (though you may want to go up to a 750W if you plan on OCing the cards and the CPU).
The GTX460 should do you fine until you can afford a second one
August 3, 2010 2:54:37 PM

A very powerful card that can cope with most anything at 1920 x 1080
August 3, 2010 3:32:56 PM

4GB DDR3 1333Mhz £90.00
DVD-RW £13.99
500GB SATAII 7200rpm 16mb £34.98
ATI HD 5870 1GB £317.56
Case £35.96
M4A87TD ASUS £77.60
AMD Phenom II X4 955 3.2GHZ £124.15
600W PSU £59.99

£754.24 in total

how does that look?
August 3, 2010 8:05:42 PM

Looks good. Only thing I would change is the extra £5 for 4gb G Skill 1600mhz RAM.
August 3, 2010 10:52:41 PM

Going back to Asteldian's Intel build suggestion, I would change the motherboard to this: MSI P55-GD65 £120 SLI and CF capable motherboard and high quality. The only major features it doesnt have are SATA6G and USB3. So you'd have the option back to add another GTX 460 in the future.
August 4, 2010 8:07:57 AM

I agree with Silvune and would also change my mobo to that in order to save money.
August 5, 2010 10:11:32 AM

Can anyone help me find a PSU that I can SLI with the MSI P55-GD65. Thanks. I have no idea what wattage to look for or anything ><
August 5, 2010 12:53:41 PM

I'm not one for overclocking as I've never really attempted it. and seeing as i'm going over budget slightly I'll go with the XFX.

So here is how the final build looks.

MSI P55-GD65 iP55 Socket 1156 Gigabit Lan 8 Channel Audio ATX Motherboard
£114.51

G-Skill 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 1600MHz/PC3-12800 Ripjaw Memory Kit CL7(7-8-7-24) 1.65V
£95.40

Western Digital WD5000AAKS 500GB SATAII 7200RPM 16MB Cache - OEM Caviar Blue £36.68

Plexus SATA 2.0 to right angle SATA 7-pin Cable (Red) 46cm / 18"
£1.84

Casecom 6788 Black Mid Tower Case with Full Black Interior/Exterior 120mm Blue LED Front Fan - No PSU
£29.91

120mm Black Case Fan - 4 pin connector
£1.79

Xilence Red Wing 120mm Quiet Fan - 3&4pin connection
£5.01

Intel Core i5 750 2.66GHz Socket LGA1156 8MB L3 Cache Retail Boxed Processor
£156.74

2x Gigabyte GTX 460 768MB GDDR5 Dual DVI Mini HDMI PCI-E Graphics Card
£159.98(each) £319.96

XFX 650W XXX Edition Single Rail Modular PSU - 13.5cm Fan 6x SATA 4x PCI-E
£69.99

Total Price (inc VAT): £831.83

And if no-one can see any problems then it looks like I'm all sorted! Thank you all for your help.
August 5, 2010 2:22:35 PM

The added beauty of the MSI board is it can overclock the CPU for you. The OC Genie is one of the few auto overclocking devices with good reviews (as it does not merely bump thevoltage to your CPU). So, while you may not be experienced in OCing, the Genie will do a moderate one for you very quickly and stable. It can bump an i5 750 to about 3.4ghz.

The only thing you may want to consdier is buying the 1gb version of a GTX 460 for £180, that saves you £130 that you can put aside and in a few months buy a second one. The 1gb should cope pretty well at your resolution for a little while.

Also, I don't know about other stores, but scan sells the i5 760 for about £1 more.
On another note, www.aria.co.uk I believe has an offer on the i5 750, selling at £140 right now so you can save £16 there which brings you closer within budget
August 5, 2010 2:57:51 PM

how much difference would an extra 512mb (in total) video memory actually make?
August 5, 2010 5:02:01 PM

The extra video memory helps a card deal better with higher resolutions. They are also likely to be a bit more futureproof - dealing with future games a bit better than the 768MB version. The extra video memory can increase minimum framerates by as little as 2 or as much as 12. I think it's worth it if you can afford it, and only getting one right away is a really simple way of doing it.
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