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July 20, 2010 11:22:50 PM

Hi - this will be my first try at building a pc hopefully it's easy enough!

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: around September (I'm assuming nothing much will change by then except maybe a few prices)

BUDGET RANGE: around £1000 - less if possible!

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: Gaming - primarily FFXIV when it comes out, COD, Anno etc. - not a massive Far Cry fan, yet to try Crysis. I'd like to say I'll be playing a lot of demanding games, but in truth I honestly don't think I will - although maybe having an insufficient computer (Dell XPS M1530) at the minute is the reason for that... remains to be seen! Also will be used for University work - probably including some CAD (3D Modelling), watching movies, internets etc. No video/image editing or anything like that.

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: Mouse :D  - I'd like the following included: basics plus sound card, keyboard (have a good mouse atm.), a cheapish but decent set of speakers, a good 24" HD LCD monitor.

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: Been looking at pixmania.co.uk, scan.co.uk (cheapest so far), ebuyers and microdirect (yet to check these 2). I've also priced the system on overclockers.co.uk, but their feedback is pretty shocking - hopefully you can advise.

COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: UK (Northern Ireland to be precise)

PARTS PREFERENCES: Intel I5/I7 CPU, pretty set on an HD5850 gpu after much research, a good looking case with sufficient cooling,

OVERCLOCKING: Almost definitely if I'm capable

SLI OR CROSSFIRE: Doubtful - can't afford a big enough PSU now and can't see me buying a GPU and replacing PSU later on.

MONITOR RESOLUTION: 1920x1080, 1920x1200

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: I'm sure you're all aware that component prices are extortionate over here compared with US but just to let you know :p 


Here's what I've picked out - I picked this lot out with crossfiring later on in mind, but I can't see it happening to be honest, I think that the 5850 on its own will be plenty of graphics power for me until I get a completely new computer.

Asus P7P55D PRO, Intel P55 Express, S1156, PCI-E 2.0(x16), DDR3 2200(OC), SATA 3Gb/s, SATA RAID, ATX

Intel Core i7 860 Lynnfield 45nm, Quad Core, 2.8GHz, DMI 2.5 GT/s, 8MB Cache, 21x Ratio, 95W, Retail

8GB (4x2GB) Corsair XMS3 Classic DDR3 PC3-12800 (1600), Non-ECC Unbuffered, CAS 9-9-9-24, XMP, 1.65V

1TB Seagate ST31000528AS Barracuda 7200.12, SATA 3Gb/s, 7200rpm, 32MB Cache, 8.5 ms, NCQ

650W Corsair CMPSU-650TX, single 12V rail, energy efficient, quiet & cool, fully compatible

NZXT M59, Black, Gaming Style Mid Tower Case w/o PSU

24" Acer EcoDisplay, V243HLbmd , LED, 1920x1080 HD, Black, Wide, DVI/VGA, 8000000:1, 250CD/m2, 5ms

Creative Sound Blaster Audigy SE 7.1 OEM PCI Sound card


That's everything I've picked out. The I5 750/760 is probably plenty of power for me but when you see something that tests a little better you always want the better one don't you lol.

That lot there comes to the princely sum of £910.61 without delivery.

For your convenience, that equates to $1392.14 at today's rate.

Looking forward to your advice!

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July 20, 2010 11:26:52 PM

Said I wasn't allowed to edit above post? :??: 

Anyway I forgot to add:
Sony DRU-870s 24x DVD±R, 12xDVD±DL, DVD+RW x8/-RWx6 ,12xRAM SATA, Black, Retail

though I suppose good optical drives are a dime a dozen anyway.

Above price includes this.



OH and a big point is that theres no GPU up there, I wasn't going to buy it on scan.co.uk as its £25 cheaper on overclockers.co.uk.

It is an extra £211 bringing the total to £1021 or $1562 excluding delivery.

Linky here: XFX ATI Radeon HD 5850 1024MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card


Sorry about that!


EDIT. Total is actually £1095 for above
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July 21, 2010 12:15:50 AM

Silvune said:
Yes you can afford a PSU that can support CF/SLI:
XFX 650W XXX Edition http://www.ebuyer.com/product/191826 ~£70



Can that supply enough power for 2 OCd cards though? The PSU chooser on Corsairs website said I'd need 650 for the I7 860 / single highly OC'd 5850 setup I gave above. The same application told me I'd need over 1000W for another of the same cards.
July 21, 2010 12:30:31 AM

I did not know you were planning on OCing your GPUs. Usually a system with two 5850s and an OCed i7-930 won't even use 500 watts. While I'm not clear on the power implications of OCing graphics card, I seriously doubt you'd need a 1000W PSU. As a 5850 with two 6pin PCI-E connectors can only use a maximum of 225 watts. Without voltage control you're even unlikely to draw that much from one 5850, so a good 750W PSU would be plenty for a system with two OCed 5850s. The cheapest high quality one you are likely to find is the Antec Truepower New TP750.

You should drop the soundcard as onboard sound is of a very high quality. You would only need a soundcard if you worked with audio on a more than just a casual basis. Which it doesnt sound you will be. Which might even pay for a 750W PSU. Also you can always try the onboard first and buy a soundcard afterwards if you find that the onboard's quality is not high enough for you, which is extremely unlikely to happen IMO.

Have a look at this mobo: MSI P55-GD65 http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/MSI-P55-GD65-Intel-P55-M... £120 Very high quality, has most of the features that the Asus has, and is ~£20 cheaper.
July 21, 2010 9:48:42 AM

thanks silvune

ill probably go with your suggestions then.

its still going to be around £1100 - is it a good system for the money at that??

and what's your opinion on the i7 860?

i5 is £45 cheaper on ebuyer. would i be better off with the i5 760? i know a lot of people use the 750. 750 is around £8 cheaper than 760 - and i read its the 750 only clocked slightly higher which i could do myself?

based on what i said above would i miss the hyperthreading?
July 21, 2010 1:59:27 PM

Yes it's a pretty good system considering everything that's in there. 8GB of RAM, 5850, i7-860 and monitor. High quality components across the board.

I think if you need the power of an i7-930 and can't afford the cost the the i7-860 is the logical choice. I think you probably would be happy enough with an i5-750/60 for what you're doing, especially after OCing it. I haven't read much about the i5-760, but it does just seem like it has a slightly higher clock rate.
July 25, 2010 12:38:11 AM

Back again - been doing a lot lot more research, mostly on the FFXIV forums (the main game I'll be running) and I'm almost settled on this lot:

750W Corsair CMPSU-750TX, SLi, Single 12V Rail, Quiet & Cool 80%+ Eff

1.5TB Seagate ST31500341AS Barracuda 7200.11, SATA 3Gb/s, 7200rpm, 32MB Cache, 8 ms, NCQ

Intel Core i5 750, Lynnfield 45nm, Quad Core, 2.66GHz, 8MB Cache, 95W, Retail

Asus P7P55D-E PRO, P55 Express, S1156, PCI-E 2.0, DDR3 2200(OC), USB 3.0, SATA 6Gb/s, SATA RAID, ATX

4GB (2x2GB) Corsair XMS3 Classic DDR3 PC3-12800 (1600), Non-ECC Unbuffered, CAS 7-8-7-20, 1.65V

24" Acer EcoDisplay, V243HLbmd , LED, 1920x1080 HD, Black, Wide, DVI/VGA, 8000000:1, 250CD/m2, 5ms

Xigmatek UTGARD, Pure Black, Gaming Mid Tower Case w/o PSU

LG GH24LS50 AUAR 24x DVD±R, 16x DVD±DL, DVD+RW x8/-RW x6, x12 RAM SATA Lightscribe Black Retail

XFX ATI Radeon HD 5850 1024MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card

Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus (Socket AM2/AM2+/AM3/775/1156/1366)

Logitech S-220 2.1 Speaker System - OEM (980-000022)

Xigmatek 120mm Crystal Red LED x2

Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound (3.5g)

Saitek Cyborg V5 Illuminated Gaming Keyboard


That is £1150 altogether - its a little more than I wanted to spend but if I've learned anything over the last week or so it should be a solid PC.

Silvune - about that board you suggested - its £45 cheaper than the one I have in build now - but you mentioned it had "most of the features" of the previous board. What functionality would I be losing if I changed to the cheaper board from the current one?

The only upgrade I am planning for a later date is another 5850 GPU - will this build be OK for that (I've checked about PSU, 750W is supposed to be loads even when overclocked)? If the cheaper MB you mentioned is fine for this, and will be OK when the CPU and GPUs are OC'd (don't know if it affects MB?) then I will probably go for the cheaper one if its good quality like you say.

Keyboard is fine for what I need and cheap speakers are also fine for me, I think the I5 750 will be plenty of power for me as well as 4gb of good ram.

Are there any compatibility issues that you think I may hit with this combination of components?

Also need an OS... cheapest way to get Win7 64 anyone?

Thanks!


edit. Trying to figure out how I've downgraded but went up in price lol...
July 25, 2010 12:52:22 PM

Sry to bump but rly need opinions on this!

Thanks
July 25, 2010 2:34:04 PM

if i were you, i would buy either of these 2 RAM's:

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY...

or

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY...

Do not worry about overclockers.co.uk. I have used them before, and got GTX280 graphics card from them when I was building my rig a year and half back :) 

I have Corsair XMS3 4gb DDR2 dual channel on my rig, and they are awesome. Also, with enhanced performance profiles, you can boost up the latency timings from the BIOS. The corsair ram i have mentioned has built in XMP (intel extreme memory profile) which would allow you to boost the latency as fat as i know.

I threw in the OCZ link, coz its an awesome price, but then I have heard issues that the cooling fins are a bit too bg, and cause obstructions, if you have CPU fan etc :) 

Go with the Corsair IMO, cheaper than scan.co.uk and better. (I have bought from scan as well, and they are awesome as well)

Also, have you had a look at the powersilencer PSU's? They are very solid and give awesome performance. I have it and it is damn good!

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBI...
July 25, 2010 3:36:31 PM

Don't buy the Seagate 7200.11, buy the 1TB 7200.12 or Samsung F3. Also IMO Creative Inspire A200 are better.
July 25, 2010 3:49:13 PM

and one more suggestion, and I think that forum members are going to flame me for this, but would you consider going for a 23" monitor instead of 24"? The thing is, 23" is true 16:9 res, while 24" is 16:10. I have read reviews about some games which dont look good/look stretched in 16:10, and 16:9 provider true widescreen aspect ratio/ I have Acer X233H which I got 160 GBP from amazon, and I find it excellent for gaming :) 
July 25, 2010 4:00:43 PM

Thanks for replies.

Is the corsair ram you linked to not just the same as the one I have chosen except mine has a lower latency? Which you say I can adjust myself but for £5 I'd save myself the bother lol.

Whats the advantage of a modular PSU? Ive gone for the 750TX as its meant to be excellent and it will let me add a 2nd 5850 later.

I'll be playing FFXIV mainly and I think it is 16x9 so I might go with your 23" screen suggestion - thanks.

Also - any thoughts on the GTX 460 1gb vs the 5850?

5850 seems to consistently outperform it but people are saying drivers will increase the 460s performance? Either way I go I plan to add a 2nd at a later date. There's very little price difference between them here.

Mosox I've heard people rave about the Barracuda HDs - do you know of an issue?

Thanks!
July 25, 2010 5:41:08 PM

Seagate is great but the .11 series had issues. Since you said you won't do video/image editing but gaming and you don't crossfire I would get this stuff:

Gigabyte GA-870A-UD3
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/218937
AMD Phenom II X4 955
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/190673
G-Skill 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 1600MHz/PC3-12800 Ripjaw Memory Kit CL7(7-8-7-24)
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/180490
Samsung HD103SJ Spinpoint F3 1TB
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/173804
Samsung SH-S223
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/145450
XFX HD 5870 1GB DDR5
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/200580
XFX 650W XXX Edition Single Rail Modular
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/191826
CM Storm Scout
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/165238

£840.70

Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HS...
Saitek Cyborg V5 Illuminated Gaming Keyboard
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=KB...
Creative Inspire A200
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=SP...
Xigmatek 120mm Crystal Red LED
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=FG...

£92.33

Benq G2420HDBL 24" LED Monitor
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/177131

or the one you picked

~ £160-165

Total £ 1100

LE I hope the 5870 is not too big for the Storm Scout.





July 25, 2010 8:50:10 PM

The MSI board pretty much has the exact same feature set as the Asus P7P55D Pro, it doesn't have SATA6G/USB3 like the -E Pro has tho. Which would be useful if you wanted to add a fast SSD next year. Yea it would be fine for crossfire and OCing.

Doesn't the aspect ratio depend more on the resolution rather than the display's size? 1920x1080 is 16:9.

This might be of interest to you: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/nvidia-g... Which probably means that an ATI card is a better choice. Altho the GTX 460 is very competitive in lots of other games.

Here are bunch of really good 750W PSUs, many of them are probably even better than the TX 750:
Silver Power Gorrilla SP-SS750M 80Plus Silver £95
750W Silverstone SST-ST75F £90
750W Silverstone Element SST-ST75EF 80Plus £92
Antec Earthwatts EA750 80Plus £82 - This one is not a 'true' 750W PSU; it only has 670 watts on it's 12V rail, but the 50 watts (compared to other 650W PSUs) of extra headroom on the 12V rail(s) should be plenty for two OCed 5850s.

Modularity only really helps with making the inside of the case look tidy, and impeding airflow less. But in a bottom mounted case the unused cables can just lie on bottom and not get in the way. Unless there's a fan on the bottom. Which the Utgard does have.

I'd stick with the RAM in your complete build list earlier. It's very fast and a good price.
July 25, 2010 11:12:51 PM

That's very interesting mosox, certainly food for thought - I appreciate the time it took you to do that.

I'm not sure the RAM will work with that motherboard though, says it only supports up to 1333MHz. Also dunno about the AMD CPU, the I5 750 outperforms it in pretty much every test here:

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Core-i5-vs-Phenom-II-X4-CPU-Review/819/7

and most importantly it really outperforms it in the gaming benchmark. The I5 750 even outperforms the X6 1055 most of the time so I'll not be looking at it.

I'm intrigued at how you slipped a 5870 in there though and stayed in budget, my I5+mobo combo is only slightly more expensive than your Phenom+mobo combo - so I'll be looking into almost everything else (I like the Utgard case and I'm gonna go with Silvunes cheaper 750W PSU idea)

Thanks guys :D 
July 25, 2010 11:41:32 PM

I think the much cheaper motherboard is how he did it. It will be able to run RAM at 1600mhz, as the max speed is 1866 - a board can run RAM at any speed below the maximum supported.

The difference between a 955 and i5-750 in gaming isn't really significant.
July 26, 2010 12:27:04 AM

I've managed to get the same stuff pretty much including a 5870 now for 1124 total.

Now I'm going to wait a while with this list and see if prices go down.

I'm still not totally sold on the 5870 but if I was to get the 5850 instead I would be very happy with the price I've got for the total build.

Thanks for all the help, I'll post in this thread again when I'm literally about to press the buy button and make 100% sure everything is compatible.

Thanks again.
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