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Upgrading from P4 to a new £800 Machine

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May 18, 2010 8:03:16 PM

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: This week

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: gaming, (World of Warcraft, Stracraft 2, Dragon Age, Diablo III, Supreme Commander) surfing the internet, watching movies

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: monitor, and speakers, (Keyboard and Mouse if the MOBO has PS2 ports)

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: http://www.overclock.co.uk/ others are fine it's just the one that came up cheapest on the few parts I ran a compare of.
COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: UK

PARTS PREFERENCES: Some preference towards Intel, though I could be convinced.

OVERCLOCKING: Maybe, while I've built PC's before I've never OCd them, though I am interested in doing so. As I'm upgrading from a really old machine I probably will run it at stock speeds for a while first.

SLI OR CROSSFIRE: Maybe, probably not to begin with but I wouldn't mind it as an option for an upgrade unless it adds alot to the price and I would be better off just upgrading via a new GC. - Thinking this would be in a year or so.

MONITOR RESOLUTION: 1680x1050, for now I'm hoping to get a slightly larger monitor as my Next main PC related purchase so then going to 1920x1200 with the current screen as a second monitor.

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: (I would like a quiet PC), Given how long my current PC has lasted, about 6 years, all be it with a few replacements and minor upgrades here and there I'd like a build that can with maybe a new GC last a good few years.

Current Parts Idea.
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Intel Core i5 750 2.66GHz
http://www.overclock.co.uk/product/Intel-Core-i5-750-2....
G.SKill RipJaw 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 PC3-10666 1333MHz CL8 Dual Channel Memory Kit
http://www.overclock.co.uk/product/G.SKill-RipJaw-4GB-2...

There are no 1333MHz CL7 versions of these on the site how noticeable would the difference be?

XFX 1024MB GDDR5 ATI Radeon HD5770 XXX DVI HDMI DisplayPort, PCI-E Retail
http://www.overclock.co.uk/product/XFX-1024MB-GDDR5-ATI...
Antec TruePower New Series Blue 750W Modular PSU
http://www.overclock.co.uk/product/Antec-TruePower-New-...

Needed if I end up running Crossfire?, especially If I end up with 5870 as they should hopefully be lower priced in a year or so?

Gigabyte GA-P55A-UD3 Socket 1156 DDR3 SATA3 USB3.0 Motherboard
http://www.overclock.co.uk/product/Gigabyte-GA-P55A-UD3...

When I initially read the info for this on this site it looked like it could run crossfire with 2*PCIe 2.0 line, however other descriptions say it can't?

Antec 300 Three Hundred Gamer Case, No PSU
http://www.overclock.co.uk/product/Antec-300-Three-Hund...

In another thread I saw a comment about this being poor for a crossfire setup. thoughts, suggestions?

Samsung HD103SJ SpinPoint F3 1TB 7200RPM SATA II 3GB/s 32MB Cache OEM
http://www.overclock.co.uk/product/Samsung-HD103SJ-Spin...
Samsung SH-S223C/BEBE 22x SATA Dual Layer DVD-Rewritable Black - OEM
http://www.overclock.co.uk/product/Samsung-SH-S223CBEBE...
Asus PCI-G31 54Mbps 802.11b/g Wireless PCI Adapter
http://www.overclock.co.uk/product/Asus-PCI-G31-54Mbps-...

How noticeable is the difference between different wifi cards, any good comparisons?
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Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 32 and 64bit - Retail
http://www.overclock.co.uk/product/Microsoft-Windows-7-...
Arctic Silver 5 Premium, 3.5 g tube
http://www.overclock.co.uk/product/Arctic-Silver-5-Prem...
Genius Netscroll 200 Laser USB Laser Mouse
http://www.overclock.co.uk/product/Genius-Netscroll-200...

Total £804.73

As you can see I'm somewhat pushing my budget especially as I was originally hoping for £700 before the OS.

Thanks for any Assistance

Kanzid

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May 18, 2010 8:09:46 PM

CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply

Is more than enough 750watt is overkill for like 8 5770 octafire.
May 18, 2010 8:20:26 PM

There's no point cross firing a 5870 with a 5770 as the 5870 will down clock to 5770 speeds. You're better off spending a bit of extra money to get a 5850 now and dropping another in at a later date.


I'm actually looking for a system similar to yours, though mine's coming closer to £900 with the OS, though I've not seen the website you're using before, so i'll be checking my prices against that to see if I can reduce my cost at all.

Also, as you're into gaming I'd suggest a gaming mouse as they make a big difference, I actually used to have the Logitech MX518 Optical Gaming Mouse a few years ago, but have been using a G5 for a few years, but my next mouse is going to be a Logitech MX518 Optical Gaming Mouse as it has an extra button which comes in handy, especially in WoW and other games that require buttons. I've seen them for £20 or so.

Here's my planned build below:

CPU AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition 3.2 GHz Socket AM3 8MB £123
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/190673

Mob Asus M4A79XTD EVO 790X £85
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/172846

RAM G-Skill 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 1600MHz/PC3-12800 Ripjaw Memory Kit CL7(7-8-7-24) 1.65V £110
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/180490

GPU Asus 5850 £243
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/200576

HDD Seagate ST31000528AS 1TB Hard Drive SATAII 7200rpm 32MB Cache - OEM £60 http://www.ebuyer.com/product/158798

PSU XFX 650W XXX Edition Single Rail Modular PSU £80
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/191826

HSF Scythe Mugen 2 rev B £36
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/158603

Case Antec 300 £43
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/143854

Disk Drive Anything £15
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/145450

OS Win7 £75
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/173791

Case Fans 120mm Black Case Fan - 4 pin connector x3 £5
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/63281

Fan Screws Black Rubber Fan Mounts Screws - Closed Chassis Fans 3 sets £4
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Black-Rubber [...] _792wt_906
May 18, 2010 9:04:27 PM

"There are no 1333MHz CL7 versions of these on the site how noticeable would the difference be?"

No it would not be significant, and I think that that is a pretty good price for the specs. Usually I find sets around that price are CAS9.

"Antec TruePower New Series Blue 750W Modular PSU
http://www.overclock.co.uk/product/Antec-TruePower-New-...
Needed if I end up running Crossfire?, especially If I end up with 5870 as they should hopefully be lower priced in a year or so?"

Yes a good 750W PSU is my recommendation if you want to be able run two 5870s. Which I assume is actually what you are planning and not a 5770+5870 combo.

"Gigabyte GA-P55A-UD3 Socket 1156 DDR3 SATA3 USB3.0 Motherboard
http://www.overclock.co.uk/product/Gigabyte-GA-P55A-UD3...
When I initially read the info for this on this site it looked like it could run crossfire with 2*PCIe 2.0 line, however other descriptions say it can't?"


No it only has one PCI-E slot. It looks to me like this is the cheapest available mobo on that site that can crossfire: Asus P7P55D EVO £127, So you will either have to go over budget more, or cut back somewhere.

"Antec 300 Three Hundred Gamer Case, No PSU
http://www.overclock.co.uk/product/Antec-300-Three-Hund...
In another thread I saw a comment about this being poor for a crossfire setup. thoughts, suggestions?"

It will be fine, altho you might want to add fans to help out a bit.

"Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 32 and 64bit - Retail
http://www.overclock.co.uk/product/Microsoft-Windows-7-..."


You could save some money here by just getting the OEM version.

"Arctic Silver 5 Premium, 3.5 g tube
http://www.overclock.co.uk/product/Arctic-Silver-5-Prem..."

The stock cooler will come with some thermal paste preapplied, so there's only really any benefit to this if you are going to get a CPU cooler, which probably would be a good idea to get one if you're going to overclock. You could of course wait until you do want to start overclocking, might be a good idea when you are replacing graphics card to take it all out, have a good clean and that would be a good opportunity to shove a heatsink in there.

"As you can see I'm somewhat pushing my budget especially as I was originally hoping for £700 before the OS."

Changing to a Phenom II X4 955 based rig would save you money on the processor and probably the motherboard (or get a better one for the price), and in gaming the CPU is not nearly as important as the GPU and when it comes to gaming a Phenom II X4 955 and Intel i5-750 are on a pretty even playing field, the Intel would be better in things outside gaming in CPU intensive stuff such as video editing. Altho I think that the Intel would have a bit more longevity, however there are already 6cores out on AM3, so maybe it would easier to replace it if it became inadequate.
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