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‚€1200 ($1600) Gaming & Web Dev Build

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April 15, 2010 9:08:58 PM

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APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE:19/04/10, next week

BUDGET RANGE: €1100 - €1300

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: gaming, movies, web development (Visual Studios, Photoshop etc.), surfing the internet

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: keyboard, mouse, OS

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: www.komplett.ie

COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: Ireland

PARTS PREFERENCES: none

OVERCLOCKING: Maybe

SLI OR CROSSFIRE: Maybe

MONITOR RESOLUTION: 1920x1080

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: I would like a quiet PC

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Hi all,


I've already been shopping on komplett.ie for a week or so after reading the great articles here. I started with 2 different options that I detail here. One was based around the i7-930, the other around the i5-750. Looking at cost/benefit it seems like the i7-930 isn't worth it, which is a pity as I do want a system that will still best top range down the line. So below is the detail of the build I'm looking at now. All input would be appreciated! This is my 3rd build, but first since 2005. I've picked most things (open to change and suggestions) but I'm intimidated every time I pull up a list of motherboards and that's the last big component I need to pick.



CPU: i5-750 €188.00

Motherboard: ???

GPU: ATI 5850 1GB €243.09

RAM: Corsair 6GB 1600MHz DDR3 CL9 €157.00

HDD: HDD Samsung SpinPoint F3 HD502HJ (500GB) €44.50

HDD: HDD Samsung SpinPoint F3 HD103SJ (1TB) €77.50

Display: Monitor LG W2453V-PF(komplett) €225.93

CD/DVD: DVD RW Sony NEC Optiarc AD-7240S DVD±RW €22.00

Case: Case Op1 Antec Performance One P183 - Mid tower €118.51 - Leaning toward this one, like it's look and the reviews, but worried it might be a bit tighter than the Cosmos.
or
Case: Case Op2 Cooler Master Cosmos 1000 - Full tower €160.34

PSU: CoolerMaster Silent Pro M600 - Power supply €79.67

Wireless Card - Internal: Nothing less than EUR65 on komplett.ie!? (want wireless n, can survive without this for a while)


Thanks again for taking the time to look through my build!
Skylarkin
April 15, 2010 9:16:42 PM

Mobo: Asus P7P55D-E Pro

RAM: That's a triple channel kit meant for the i7-9xx (X58 boards). Grab a dual channel kit (2x2 GB). Also, see if you can get 1600 mhz CL 7 sticks, as they'll be faster, especially if/when you overclock.

HDD: Unless you really need 1.5 TB of space, I would just get the 1 TB drive. You don't really get much speed out of having a smaller drive for the OS/apps.

Case: Both of those are extremely expensive for what you need. Take a look at the Antec 300, Antec 300 Illusion (might not be available over there), Antec 900, Coolermaster 690 or Coolermaster HAF 922. All of these would be cheaper and just as good for your purposes.

PSU: Coolermaster PSUs are crap. Grab a 650W (single GPU or Crossfire w/ adapaters) or 750W (Crossfire) unit from any of the following: Corsair, Antec, SeaSonic, Silverstone or PC Power & Cooling. Also, modular units aren't that great any more. All quality cases have a bottom mounted PSU, so the excess cables are already out of the way at the bottom of the case.
April 16, 2010 8:35:21 AM

For some reason I can't add a title to this thread!?

@MadAdmiral: Thanks for the input.

I'm unsure about the RAM. Are you saying I can't get use out of more than 4GB or the LGA1156 mobos only have 2 slots? I have 4GB in my work machine and find it lacking at times when I'm working on several Visual Studio Projects and Photoshop. Should I be looking at the more expensive i7 and LGA1366 then?

On the HDD I like the separation of concerns between applications and my media. Are there cons to this approach that I'm unaware of? Because at €47; cost isn't one.

The case is something a friend who completed his build a year ago had issue with. He mentioned that the Graphics cards today are large and he barely fit his into the smaller Antec. I also want a certain amount of room to grow into. With that in mind should I still be looking at smaller cases? I'm should be looking at Mid Towers rather than full towers?

I found several good reviews of the Coolermaster:
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story4&reid=134
http://www.elitebastards.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=582&Itemid=27&limitstart=3
I want something that's big enough and quiet. I'm unsure as to how much power I need to start and how much I need to have for comfortable expansion.

I had previously been looking @ http://www.komplett.ie/Komplett/product/ZKB_01COM/29_PSU/01_PSU/productdetails/15340676/Corsair_TX650W_Power_supply_(_internal_)_-/CMPSU-650TXEU/default.aspx

Cheers,
Skylarkin
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April 16, 2010 9:56:48 AM

You can technically use 6GB of RAM on a LGA1156 mobo. However, 3 DIMMs (physical sticks) would negate the benefits of dual-channel memory, which theoretically increases the throughput (though the actual increase varies between reviews and tests). Still, it's a feature you might as well use.

You listed VS and photoshop towards the end of your usage importance. However, this may just be inflated and perhaps you web develop as much as you game? If that's so and budget-permitting; I see no reason why you shouldn't step up to a LGA 1366 rig. If gaming is ultimately and largely more important, then stick to an i5 :].

Nothing wrong with keeping 2 HDDs like that, though if you wanted to bump up to a 930, eliminating the 500gb F3 would be on the top of the list to axe. Instead, you could split the 1 TB F3 into 2 partitions: one for apps, one for media.

The cosmos is a great case, but it's also on the top of the chopping board if you want to cut price. I agree with MadAdmiral's HAF922 recommendation.

CM's silent series isn't too bad. If you plan on crossfiring that 5850 in the future, then I would recommend getting one of the 750 Corsair units; especially if you plan on overclocking and have multiple HDDs.
April 16, 2010 10:06:36 AM

Thanks vznoobie12!

From what you say about game/dev and LGA 1156/LGA 1366 it seems like there are trade offs in stepping up for my gaming. Is that the case or is it all price?



April 16, 2010 12:23:25 PM

You can use up to 16 GB (4x 4 GB sticks) on that motherboard. It has 4 slots. It's just how vznoobie said. Using three sticks makes them run slower.

The HAF 922 is certainly large enough for any GPU. It can fit the 5970 with no problem The others are large enough for at least the 5850, and possibly the 5870, though it might be tight.

It's pretty much all price. If you were spending about $1,600, you can get the i7-930 (the best CPU) and the 5970 (the best GPU). Under that, you reallly need to focus on your primary need, and add whatever you can later or plan to perform a little worse in the other uses.
April 16, 2010 10:37:16 PM

OK, so I'm going to go and do the maths on either a i5 with 4GB or i7 with 6GB and the different motherboards.

As for the case I'm not a fan of the HAF 922's look but I do really like the Lancool K62 after seeing a few video reviews. http://www.pixmania.ie/ie/uk/3345853/art/lancool/dragon...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4XCT9yibwQ&feature=rela...
What do you think?

PSU:
Corsair HX750W €128.50
www.komplett.ie/Komplett/product/ZKB_01COM/29_PSU/01_PS...(_internal_)_-/CMPSU-750HXEU/default.aspx

or

Corsair TX750W €107
http://www.komplett.ie/Komplett/product/ZKB_01COM/29_PS...(_internal_)_-/CMPSU-750TXEU/default.aspx

Based on your input I think these should be perfect but not sure of the difference between them, also what if I change to an i7-930, is 750W still enough?

I'm happy to spend $1600 but I can't get the same value as the states from Irish sites. I'm going to shop around more but have to order EUR500 of it from komplett.

Thanks again guys, without the input I definitely would have bought by now and been cursing myself!
Skylarkin
April 16, 2010 10:55:39 PM

750W would be fine either way. The difference is that the first one is a modular unit. That means you can remove the excess cables. It's not that useful if the case has a bottom mounted PSU, as the cables are already out of the way.
April 17, 2010 10:08:07 PM

OK, did the math on an i7 and I'd be another €200+ putting me at €1500($2050)! So what I have below is my i5 build. I think everything is good now? The one last thing is that I'm wondering how the GA-P55A-UD3 sits alongside the P7P55D-E?


CPU: i5-750 €188.00
www.komplett.ie/Komplett/product/ZKB_01COM/21_CPU/produ...

Mother Board: ASUS P7P55D-E - 1156 - P55 - ATX €140.30
www.pixmania.ie/ie/uk/4344110/art/asus/p7p55d-e-1156-so...
or
Mother Board: Mother Board GIGABYTE GA-P55A-UD3 - 1156 - P55 - ATX €116.90
www.pixmania.ie/ie/uk/4114421/art/gigabyte/ga-p55a-ud3-...

Case: Lancool Dragon Lord K62 €88.63
www.pixmania.ie/ie/uk/3345853/art/lancool/dragon-lord-k...

PSU: Corsair TX750W €107.00
www.komplett.ie/Komplett/product/ZKB_01COM/29_PSU/01_PS...(_internal_)_-/CMPSU-750TXEU/default.aspx

GPU: ATI 5850 1GB €242.24
www.komplett.ie/Komplett/product/ZKB_01COM/10_GRPCARD/0...

RAM: Corsair XMS3 4GB (2 x 2 GB) 1600Mhz CL7 €132.00
www.komplett.ie/Komplett/product/ZKB_01COM/08_MEMINT/pr...

HDD: Samsung SpinPoint F3 HD502HJ (500GB) €44.50
www.komplett.ie/Komplett/product/ZKB_01COM/11_HDD/07_IN...

HDD: Samsung SpinPoint F3 HD103SJ (1TB) €77.50
www.komplett.ie/Komplett/product/ZKB_01COM/11_HDD/07_IN...

Monitor: LG W2453V-PF €219.00
www.pixmania.ie/ie/uk/2700976/art/lg/w2453v-pf-24-wide-...

DVD RW: Sony NEC Optiarc AD-7240S DVD±RW €22.00
www.komplett.ie/Komplett/product/ZKB_01COM/07_OPTICAL/0...±RW/AD-7240S-0B/default.aspx

Speakers: HERCULES XPS 2.0 40 SLIM SPEAKERS €30.87
www.pixmania.ie/ie/uk/3973533/art/hercules/xps-2-0-40-s...

Total: €1,278.94


Thanks,
Skylarkin
April 17, 2010 11:25:46 PM

The title of this topic has been edited by Justinblue
April 18, 2010 8:36:03 PM

Another questions just came to me after looking at the build your own articles and seeing a CPU cooler. Should I look to get a better than stock one?
April 19, 2010 12:10:02 AM

If you want to overclock, you should get an aftermarket cooler. If you don't want to overclock, stock is just fine.
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