Gameing pc for max £800 very limited options help please

[mentalynuts]

Ok first of i I have no need for moniter/hd/cd/rw drives or case due to them being new.The only parts i need are psu,mb,gpu,processer and ram.But i have a problem i can only get this done localy i cant live without my pc and cant send it of to get fitted i dont want to build it myself due to bad exsperiances in past.
So I need to get it fitted localy so i can pick it up the same day.I have two diffrent store options in my town.Below are 2 builds i have put together and 1 that the smaller store put together for me.Could people please give me advice as honestly i dont have clue and would rather have outside opinions so dont get crap of the store. the pc going to be used for heavy gameing.

Below are links to my options any help welcome
http://www.pcsuppliesuk.net/
http://www.nwccomputers.co.uk/

Build 1 my build

Asus P5Q P45 Socket 775 1333FSB DDR2 Motherboard
Intel Core 2 Quad Q8200 2.33GHz 4Mb Cache LGA775 1333MHz
Corsair Twin2X 4GB DDR2 (2x2048MB) XMS2 6400C4 DHX
Thermaltake 650W W0104 Toughpower PSU
BFG GeForce GTX 260 OC2 896MB GDDR3 Dual DVI/TV Out PCI-E

£759.74 inc vat



Build 2 my build 2

Gigabyte GA-MA790GP-DS4H AMD 790GX Socket AM2+ Motherboard
Asus GeForce GTX 260 896MB GDDR3 Dual DVI/TV Out PCI-E, Retail
Thermaltake 650W W0104 Toughpower PSU
Corsair Twin2X 4GB DDR2 (2x2048MB) XMS2 6400C4 DHX
AMD Phenom 9950 Black Edition Quad Core AM2+, Retail (125Watt)

£776.24 inc vat


Build 3 store put this together for me

ASUS SKT-775 P5QL-E S/L 1333FSB
INTEL CORE 2 QUAD Q9550
ADATA 4GB DDR2 800 CL5.0 DUAL CHANNEL KIT RET
T/TAKE W0103RB 600W TOUGHPOWER BLK RET
ASUS 896MB GeF GTX 260 PCI-E 2.0 RET

£767.77 inc vat

 

[fruees]

dude, go to overclockers.co.uk and check out their rigs firt. Free next day delivery - they're easily the best place to get components or builds that they do themselves.

Anyway - you should definatley build it yourself, it's so easy, especially if you use these forums as support

I will give you my version of your list in a bit - need to do coursework first...

 

[mentalynuts]

Ok took youre advice taken look at overclockers.co.uk seems nice great prices also.Ill post couple builds after i had look thro.

 

[mentalynuts]

Would be nice to see what other poepl could come up with also tho as im bit lost.

 

[mentalynuts]

ok so far i have comeup with.

BFG GeForce GTX 280 OC 1024MB GDDR3 TV-Out/Dual DVI (PCI-Express) - Retail

AMD Phenom X4 Quad Core 9950 2.60GHz Black Edition (Socket AM2) - Retail

GeIL 4GB (2x2GB) PC2-8500C5 1066MHz Black Dragon DDR2 Dual Channel Kit (GB24GB8500C5DC)

Antec TruePower Trio 550W PSU

Total : £636.74 inc vat I have two problems tho is the psu compatible with the gpu. also i cant decide on what mb to get from there any ideas bear in mind i cant go over £800 inc vat or delivery and i dont need sli.

 

[Amg]

well a P45 chipset will do than, I don't trust nvidias SLI mobos after what I ve seen with them and they are too expesnive for what they are really. and atm I think intels option works faster and cheaper than the AMD one i was in this position myself. the q6600 is better than the 9950 in oth overclocking and in applications (its only a slight advantage) but at the time i built mine, the intel option was alot cheaper. I m not a fanboy of intel or anything, I m only saying thier qaud is cheaper and better performing than AMD 9950 I m not saying don't get one lol

 

[mentalynuts]

btw the above list is from overclockers.co.uk

 

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Im willing to look at both amd and intel.I did notice overclockers.co.uk have limited selection of amd mb's unlike intel they seemed to have loads.I have no intentions of overclocking and wouldent know ware to start.I honestly dont have clue when it comes to building a pc im just going with what looks good.

 

[mentalynuts]

ok hears intel build i came up with

Antec TruePower Trio 550W PSU
GeIL 4GB (2x2GB) PC2-8500C5 1066MHz Black Dragon DDR2 Dual Channel Kit (GB24GB8500C5DC)
Intel Core 2 Quad Pro Q6600 "Energy Efficient SLACR 95W Edition" 2.40GHz (1066FSB) - Retail
Asus P5E Deluxe Intel X48 (Socket 775) PCI-Express DDR2 Motherboard
BFG GeForce GTX 280 OC 1024MB GDDR3 TV-Out/Dual DVI (PCI-Express) - Retail

 

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For some reason wont let me edit posts so sorry for double posts.Regarding the above spec whats better mb
Asus P5E Deluxe Intel X48 (Socket 775) PCI-Express DDR2 Motherboard
or
Gigabyte GA-X48-DS4 Intel X48 (Socket 775) PCI-Express DDR2 Motherboard

i read a review on the gigabite and it mentioned something about asus unstable bios history

 

[fruees]

Ok man I came up with a build that I think you may like a lot more:
(all prices inc VAT)


MOBO: Gigabyte GA-X48-DS4 Intel X48 - £158.61
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-121-GI

CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad Pro Q6600 "Energy Efficient SLACR 95W Edition" - £136.29
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-161-IN

RAM: Corsair 4GB DDR2 XMS2 Dominator PC2-8500C5 TwinX (2x2GB) - £79.89
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY-148-CS

PSU: Corsair TX 750W ATX2.2 SLI Compliant PSU - £93.99
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-011-CS

GPU:
If you have a larger monitor - 24" plus, and you play at resolutions of 1920x1200 or more:
- Powercolor ATI Radeon HD 4870 1024MB GDDR5 - £223.24

If you have a 22" or play at 1680x1050, you don't really need the extra memory - go for this new HD4870 - It has vapour cooling which makes it run savagely cooler - a little more expensive, but beastly - especially when you are concerned about the high temps that normal 4870s put out. This will make your case far cooler.
- Sapphire ATI Radeon HD 4870 "Toxic" 512MB GDDR5 - £258.49


Total: £702 including shipping GPU option 1

£737.78 including shipping GPU option 2

For your MOBO, you can get amazing free support at this forum:
http://forums.tweaktown.com/f69/

The guy there called Lsdmeup helps EVERY poster, and he works for gigabyte so he can help with anything.


I chose this build because ATI are better cards at the moment, really. 2 you want an Intel 775 board and a Q6660. Don't be scared and overclock it aswell - takes a day of reading, then a day of overclocking to get a good result. You'll then need to spend £30 on a cooler. I included the x48 board so you can crossfire if you want in the future. Also, you were considering PSUs that were too small if powering sli/xfire so I listed a tier1 quality, powerful PSU that will easily handle another card in xfire. Greaat cables aswell. All this v. easy to put together.

BTW, what case, monitor etc do you have??

 

[mentalynuts]

Ok my hd is Maxtor260gb sata cant rember mod but its only couple months old.

Samsung dvd drive ide
Pioneer dvdrw
Ok I got 3 cases around the house and there all gaming cases.Cant rember the names but the one i intend to use has plenty of cooling and space so there are no problems there.I checked i could fit a 280 in it when i read about therre size.
As for moniter Yuraku 19" Widescreen Black TFT Monitor i can have resolutions upto 1440 buy 900 but im one few people that dont like large moniters,and tend to play games on lower resolutions.1280 by 800 is my norm but i will most likeley use my max res of 1440 by 800 once i get upgrade in gpu currently useing 8600gts.

Both drives have done me well never had problems with them so see no need to replace them.As for the hd like i said only couple months old i have exsternal hd and a server for backups so size not that big an issue.

As for gpu i hate ati i dont care if there better but I have had to many troubles with drivers and them breaking down on me I never had one problem with Nvidia unlike ati.

Due to my moniter size i dont think ill ever have the need for sli or crossfire.One of the advantages of prefering small moniters.

 

[fruees]

You would be ill served to hold on to old preconceptions of ati - maybe they were rubbish once, bu tnow their cards are market leaders and driver support is better than Nvidia. Due to your monitor, i recommend the 2nd GPU option, bu tdefinatley stay with - less power used, less space taken up and better performance + future proofing - gddr5 and directx 10.1

 

[fruees]

Also, a p45 mobo would be better suited for you. You could even save cash on the GPU, and if you're only worried about gaming - a dual core may be better - i'd still go with a overclocked Quad. The money you save on the mobo and GPU can be used to get a better CPU cooler so you can get 3.5ghz-4ghz comfortably.

 

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CPU - Intel Core 2 Duo E8600 LGA775 'Wolfdale' "Overclocking E0 Stepping" 3.33GHz (1333FSB) - Retail - £199
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-232-IN&tool=3

MOBO - Gigabyte GA-EP43-DS3 Intel P43 (Socket 775) PCI-Express DDR2 Motherboard - £76.36
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-125-GI

RAM: Corsair 4GB DDR2 XMS2 Dominator PC2-8500C5 TwinX (2x2GB) - £79.89
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/show [...] =MY-148-CS

PSU: Corsair TX 650W ATX2.2 SLi Compliant PSU Corsair TX 650W ATX2.2 SLi Compliant PSU - £76
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-008-CS&groupid=701&catid=123&subcat=&name=Corsair%20TX%20650W%20ATX2.2%20SLi%20Compliant%20PSU

GPU Sapphire ATI Radeon HD 4870 "Toxic" 512MB GDDR5 - £229 - now on offer
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-185-SP&groupid=701&catid=56&subcat=939&name=Sapphire%20ATI%20Radeon%20HD%204870%20%22Toxic%22%20512MB%20GDDR5%20TV-Out/Dual%20DVI/HDMI%20(PCI-Express)%20-%20Retail

 

[mentalynuts]

Sapphire ATI Radeon HD 4870 "Toxic" 512MB GDDR5 TV-Out/Dual DVI/HDMI (PCI-Express)
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-185-SP

Asus P5Q Intel P45 (Socket 775) PCI-Express DDR2 Motherboard
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-277-AS

Intel Core 2 Quad Pro Q6600 "Energy Efficient SLACR 95W Edition" 2.40GHz (1066FSB) - Retail
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-161-IN

Corsair 4GB DDR2 XMS2 Dominator PC2-8500C5 TwinX (2x2GB) Supplied with Airflow Fan (TWIN2X4096-8500C5DF)
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY-148-CS

Thermaltake VI1000BNS M9 Gaming Case - Black
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-093-TT

Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 500GB SATA-II 32MB Cache - OEM (ST3500320AS)
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD-142-SE

Samsung SH-S223F/BEBE 22x DVD±RW SATA Dual Layer ReWriter (Black) - OEM
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CD-099-SA

Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro CPU Cooler (Socket LGA775)
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HS-017-AR

Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound (3.5g)
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=AC-000-AC


Total : £697.77 in vat+delivery


Or if i decide to get a BFG GeForce GTX 280 OC 1024MB GDDR3 TV-Out/Dual DVI (PCI-Express) - Retail instead of the HD 4870
it comes to

Total : £796.47 +vat and shipping

I know the above is full rebuild but seems like i can afford it.I inted to get the pc in about two weeks then ill deide if im going ati or not thanks for youre time.Helped me learn a lot

 

[fruees]

you forgot a power supply

 

[mentalynuts]

woops ty Ill have look

 

[Priv]

Why do you want DDR2-1066, DDR2-800 is enough unless you plan to go insane on overclocking.

 

[mentalynuts]

Well i basicly whant the best system that i can buy for my money im not trying to save money just spend it wisly withing my budget.

ATI vershion tryed to make it oc friendly

Sapphire ATI Radeon HD 4870 "Toxic" 512MB GDDR5 TV-Out/Dual DVI/HDMI (PCI-Express) - Retail
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-185-SP

Intel Core 2 Quad Pro Q6600 "Energy Efficient SLACR 95W Edition" 2.40GHz (1066FSB) - Retail
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-161-IN

Asus P5Q Intel P45 (Socket 775) PCI-Express DDR2 Motherboard
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-277-AS

Corsair 4GB DDR2 XMS2 Dominator PC2-8500C5 TwinX (2x2GB) Supplied with Airflow Fan (TWIN2X4096-8500C5DF)
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY-148-CS

Corsair TX 650W ATX2.2 SLi Compliant PSU
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-008-CS

Thermaltake VI1000BNS M9 Gaming Case - Black
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-093-TT

Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 500GB SATA-II 32MB Cache - OEM (ST3500320AS)
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD-142-SE

Samsung SH-S223F/BEBE 22x DVD±RW SATA Dual Layer ReWriter (Black) - OEM
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CD-099-SA

Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound (3.5g)
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=AC-000-AC

Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro CPU Cooler (Socket LGA775)
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HS-017-AR


Total Total : £740.09 inc vat+delivery


NVidia vershion personaly i think will run faster than ati vershion

BFG GeForce GTX 280 OC 1024MB GDDR3 TV-Out/Dual DVI (PCI-Express) - Retail
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-073-BG

AMD Phenom X4 Quad Core 9950 2.60GHz Black Edition (Socket AM2) - Retail
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-226-AM

Corsair 4GB DDR2 XMS2 Dominator PC2-8500C5 TwinX (2x2GB) Supplied with Airflow Fan (TWIN2X4096-8500C5DF)
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY-148-CS

Corsair TX 650W ATX2.2 SLi Compliant PSU
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-008-CS

Gigabyte GA-MA770-DS3 AMD 770 (Socket AM2) PCI-Express DDR2 Motherboard
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-111-GI

Thermaltake VI1000BNS M9 Gaming Case - Black
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-093-TT

Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 320GB SATA-II 16MB Cache - OEM (ST3320613AS)
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD-154-SE

Samsung SH-S223F/BEBE 22x DVD±RW SATA Dual Layer ReWriter (Black) - OEM
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CD-099-SA

Total : £797.67 in vat and delivery

After looking into the gpus it seems like Nvidia cards are little faster http://forums.pcper.com/showthread.php?t=456158

 

[mentalynuts]

Please dont forget i am a total noob at this so when it goes to what go best with what im not sure.Thats why i became a member of forum to get some help.

Also i had a local shop build me base unit 2 years ago and i think i was ripped off and dont want that to happen again.

the base unit was 550psu, 8600gts, 3gb ram case,AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 6000+ ,250gb hd, and i used my old cdrw.

 

[mentalynuts]

i have finaly decided to bin my idea of amd or nvidia after doing more research. im learning.

 

[mentalynuts]

Ok after doing some research hears my finaly build what do you think?

This is the rig im considering getting

Sapphire ATI Radeon HD 4870 "Toxic" 512MB GDDR5 TV-Out/Dual DVI/HDMI (PCI-Express) - Retail
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/show [...] =GX-185-SP

Intel Core 2 Duo E8600 LGA775 'Wolfdale' "Overclocking E0 Stepping" 3.33GHz (1333FSB) - Retail
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/show [...] =CP-232-IN

Asus P5Q Pro Intel P45 (Socket 775) PCI-Express DDR2 Motherboard
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/show [...] =MB-280-AS

Corsair TX 650W ATX2.2 SLi Compliant PSU
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/show [...] =CA-008-CS

OCZ 4GB (2x2GB) PC2-6400C5 Dual Channel Vista Gold Series DDR2 (OCZ2G8004GK)
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/show [...] =MY-086-OC

Antec Three Hundred Ultimate Gaming Case
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/show [...] =CA-101-AN

Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 160GB SATA-II 8MB Cache - OEM (ST3160815AS)
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/show [...] =HD-122-SE

Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro CPU Cooler (Socket LGA775)
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/show [...] =HS-017-AR

Samsung SH-S223F/BEBE 22x DVD±RW SATA Dual Layer ReWriter (Black) - OEM
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/show [...] =CD-099-SA

Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound (3.5g)
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/show [...] =AC-000-AC

i know the hd is not huge but i dont need big one as any date i wana keep goes onto me server or exsternal hd.Yes the ram is cheap but i have read a lot reviews regarding ocz and they seem pretty good.Also i dont intend to go sli/crossfire.

Total : £781.20 in vat and delivery

Learnt lot new stuff on hear and http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/257075-13-what-parts-choose post helped me decide on this build aslo the information on this thread thank you all.

One last questions will i be able to play all latest games on this rig with max settings?