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June 6, 2007 2:09:46 PM

Right first thing is I am brand new (well once added a strip of ram successfully :D  ) and really need help.
I don't want to buy a monitor but want to connect my pc to my flat screen TV via DVI to HDMI, is this realistic? will it break my TV? will it look good?

secondly quite stumped by the motherboard havent got a clue so will say the parts I have considered in the hope someone can recommend me a suitable board.

What I think i'd like is the E6600 processor, a 8600 GTS graphics card (will this be good enough for my TV display?)
2 GB of ram don't know about the speeds 667 or 800 (is there a noticeable difference between the two?) seem ok depending on the price.

when it comes to the case keeping it cool with fans and heatsinks and the right PSU once again stumped

I have read other posts and am happy to attempt low level easy overclocking but nothing too advanced as you can probably tell from this post

Really hope someone can help, really don't want to buy from a manufacturer :p 

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June 6, 2007 2:21:36 PM

You should check out www.newegg.com to buy stuff. It's one of the biggest online retailers.

As for processor, the E6600 is a good choice. For video card i'd go with the 8800GTS if I wanted DX10 (8600 isn't that great). Gigabyte 965P DS3 is definetly a top choice for mobo I even have one in my system now and it's only $130. 2GB of PC2 6400 memory is definetly the most popular choice now days and a good one at that. Seasonic, OCZ, & Corsair PSU's are all top notch, 600W or 700W will do fine.

If you want advice on the case, I think the Antec P180 is great (sound proofing, style, accessories) although I think that is a personal decision.
June 6, 2007 2:43:11 PM

Are you in the UK or states?
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June 6, 2007 3:19:20 PM

Motherboard: I would look at the new P35 motherboards that were just released. They should provide excellent upgradability. In particular they will have support for the 45nm CPUs. The cost is not much higher than the older 965p motherboards. It may take a week or so for the prices to settle a little on some of the motherboards.

CPU/Memory: If you get a E4300/E4400 you can use DDR2-667 Memory and still achieve good OCs because the default FSB is only 400FSB and when increased to DDR2667 speeds you CPU will now be running at 3.0Ghz or more.

With the 6xxx series of cards you likely want DDR2-800 since the default FSB is 533 and you would like the faster ram to achieve good OC's.

My preference is to skimp on Memory/CPU at this point in time since an E4300 w/ DDR2667 can be OC'd to 3.0Ghz rather easily and this is more than enough power for most people. Beyond 3.0 is also usually attainable w/o much of an issue but may lead to more cooling noise which could be less desirable in a living room setting.

Graphics - The 8800GTS w/ 320mb is an excellent card at the moment for gamers if you can squeeze it into your budget.
June 6, 2007 3:19:43 PM

I am in the uk,

I have looked at the 8800 and i think its out of my price range, also I generally play strategy and rpgs which I think don't need as good a gpu (I could definitely be wrong).

other than the 8600 is there any other mid level gpu's you'd recommend

and thanks for the quick replys
June 6, 2007 3:36:08 PM

See ...................

http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/05/01/the_best_gaming_...

Just figure out what you can afford and look here.
Normally you can do a little better on price than what is shown in the article since the article does not use sale prices.

If budget is a concern, then definately go for the E4300 CPU.
Use any saved money for a GPU.
If the price is close, go for the DDR2-800 but DDR2-667 will work fine with that CPU.
June 6, 2007 3:51:48 PM

right i have looked and found this p35 mother board -

Gigabyte GA P35-S3, iP35 Express, S 775, PCI-E (x16), DDR2 1066/800/667/533, SATA II, SATA RAID, ATX

it costs £70/$140 is this good value.

think I will go for the E4300 and try to overclock it (is it complicated to get it to 3.0 Ghz will it involve special fans and cooling?) will it be stable as normal?

Intel Core 2 Duo E4300, Socket 775, 1.80 GHz, 800MHz FSB, Allendale Core, 2MB Cache, Retail

it costs £72/$144

do these look ok, thanks for your help sorry about all the q's just quite excited
June 6, 2007 3:58:40 PM

Due to the price drop Intel plans next month I suggest you wait on buying anything but the lowest price C2D. For OCing its best to buy cheap as most can OC right up to some of the better C2D's. The E6320 is a good choice for OCing as it has the 4m cache like the E6600 and should OC near the max of the E6600.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

The 8600GTS is over priced due to the 8600GT is near the FPS on almost all test at a good 50 to $75 savings. If you go with the cheap C2D get a 8800GTS 320 which is the best bang for the buck. Heres the 8800GTS I would suggest.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Heres the 8600GT I would suggest but you should get the 8800GTS.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


If you get the 8800GTS 320 youll need atleast a 26amp Power supply. Heres a 30amp Power supply which for OCing you will need.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

DDR2 800 is the best choice as the small extra cost now will reverse as a savings come upgrade time. This will give a little more room for OCing. Make sure your RAM supports 1.8v as thats JEDEC standard for ddr2. 1.8v however shouldnt be the only voltage 2.0v for OCing maybe need. This RAM works from 1.8v to 2.0v and has a nice price.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I would suggest a cheap case because many come with a side door fan vent. Mine has a side door fan vent over the CPU and the PCI-E slots. Note you may have to remove an air tunnel from over the CPU of the side door.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Check out the 80 and 120mm fan vents.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.aspx?Image=11-1...

Your mobo is very important for OCing and I suggest you take a good look at the P35 review on Toms. Any 1 of these but the foxconn, I dont like the 4x, should work fine.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...
June 6, 2007 4:09:20 PM

hey thanks for that will definitely look into this further, your advice about waiting seems to be well placed and is killing me, my brain says wait but the child in me is dying to just go ahead now :p 

is the E6320 easily overclocked?

any ideas about linking my pc to my TV?
June 6, 2007 6:25:23 PM

I would go with an AMD AM2 3600+ processor and a good AM2 board if you are on a tight budget. Also, a coolermaster centurion 5 with a side window is like $50. The 3600+ have been getting some major overclocks and the prices is almost half as much as a c2d processor. If you play your cards right and get a good AM2 mobo all you will need is a bios change and insert a quad core AM2+ in the future. I would go with corsair XMS 6400c4 ram 2 gb right now for $100. All at newegg.

Processor - $70
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Mobo - $140 Asus m2n sli deluxe
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Ram - $100 corsair xms2 6400c4
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E1682...

GFX $269 EVGA 8800GTS 320
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case $49 Coolermaster Centurion 5
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HD - $79 Western Digital 320gb

OS - $79 XP home

Sound - $0 Onboard

dvd rom - $18

PSU - $120

CPU cooler - $40

Total $924 + shipping

I do not think that you can build a core 2 duo for this price. Maybe but it will be more expensive. Ok, I know C2D is faster, but he stated $1000 you have to stay with the price.
June 6, 2007 7:20:56 PM

Quote:
hey thanks for that will definitely look into this further, your advice about waiting seems to be well placed and is killing me, my brain says wait but the child in me is dying to just go ahead now :p 

is the E6320 easily overclocked?

any ideas about linking my pc to my TV?

E4300 is a nice OCer but I hear some get stuck at 2.8GHz. Dont get me wrong thats a good OC for that lower price point. The E6320 should hit about the same OC as the E6600 but you will have more stress on your mobo. The E6320 may need special cooling at a lower clock as the stock E6600 may have a better cooler. Most any after market heatsink/fan with AS5 will beat stock cooling. Either of these 2 heatsink/fan should give you about a 3 to 3.2GHz C2D. This depends on the CPU mostly as it is possible the CPU could be a lemon.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Maybe the child in you needs reminded the Q6600 will be about the price of the current E6600.

The 8800's DVI to HDMI isnt something ive done but here are the connectors. The AMC's have the best rating but looks to be for PS3 only. Looks like the SYBA 6 ft. DVI-D Male to HDMI Male Cable is your best bet.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...
June 6, 2007 7:57:03 PM

Actually the E4300 should OC easier than the E6320.
(Less FSB Issues)
I don't think I've seen a single post with anyone running under 3.0Ghz and most can clock higher if they so choose.

Most of the issues may have been bad MB combos.

In fact most I've seen can run at 3.0ghz as well as under voltage to keep it really cool.

Also if you read the poster, he is doubting he can afford the 8800GTS.
This means that he needs to spend as little on the CPU as possible to put more into the GPU.

The E4300 will also allow for cheaper ram (not by much) will again allow for a few more dollars for that GPU.

We are talking $50 difference between the E4300 and the E6420.
This is enough to take the GPU between levels which will be key for his performance.

If getting the P35 and the 8800GTS seemed to fall in his budget, I would start looking to upgrade the CPU but for his uses, the CPU is going to be far less important and it should not be upgraded beyond minimum specs until his GPU is where it needs to be.
June 7, 2007 3:09:06 AM

The OP stated a desire for the E6600 and a 8600GTS. The price of the E6320 and the 8800GTS 320 is about the same. Your correct E4300 will save and is a good OC but Ive heard Intel has been using cheaper materials for the E4000's. The bad combo is another issue we cant be sure the P35's have fixed.

As you stated the GPU is the most important for games and if the OP must get the cheapest CPU then the E4300 will due fine.

The case and PSU I suggested will save him $90 over your suggestion. I do like your case tho but I would like it better if it had door fan vents as well. Maybe the 550w I suggest could get him upto the 8800GTS 640. Thats a big screen the OP has and will need the best possible GPU.
June 7, 2007 9:03:19 AM

Wow guys I appreciate all this help,
I think from what I've read I pretty much have to have the 8800 GTS
like the sound of the E4300 O'Ced.

But parts seem alot more expensive here in the UK the 8800 on newegg.com is about $289 dollars, the cheapest i can find in uk is £200/$400 which is a huge difference. it is a similar story for psu's

any suggestions/recommendations?
June 7, 2007 10:46:55 AM

If you work for a company that uses computers and you're friendly with your boss, you could buy it through them and save the VAT. Other than that you'll just have to suck up them taxes, son.
June 7, 2007 11:20:43 AM

Be aware that the prices in the UK do not matchup with the prices in the states. 12 months or so back the price of a component in US Dollars was the same as the price in the UK in Pounds. The dollar has dropped against the pound, but something in the US that cost 100 USD will cost ~75 pounds here.

These are some of the suppliers I have dealt with:

Ebuyer in the UK can be cheap, but often are not.

Overclockers.co.uk have some good deals sometimes

After speaking to dabs.co.uk I would be very wary of them.

Eclipse Computers in Coventry, eclipsecomputers.com have some
good deals, and often they are cheaper than ebuyer.

Eclipse have some good ready made systems, and they do not bundle the OS if you do not want it.

You will need to check if the video card has the HDMI connection to connect to your TV.

What resolution is your TV?

If you intend to watch any HD movies on disk you will need a graphics card with HDCP.

The TV may be great for games and watching videos, but it will be a total PITA for any kind of text based work. If you will be doing text based work then rekon on using a monitor for that.
June 7, 2007 12:25:42 PM

right in answer I don't have a clue as to what the definition of my TV is but it is 32" screen will try to find out and post.

so far for my system I have decided upon

Gigabyte GA P35-S3, iP35 Express motherboard

Intel Core 2 Duo E4300

Quote:
8800gts for £164.94** (inc vat and deliverd) http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/125114

these total £307 pounds. leaving me around £200 maybe a little more if im nice to the girlfriend.

does anybody have any recommendations or favourite parts available in the uk to go with?

Read an article that PSU is vitally important especially with a 8800 GPU.
Also I want to oc the processor to around 3Ghz will i need extra cooling or will it come with a stock cooler good enough to do this?

anybody know any cheap cases really dont care what it looks like as long as it all fits

thanks for the help and recommendations so far :D 
June 7, 2007 1:53:50 PM

Firstly is your 32" TV LCD or CRT? If its CRT 99% probability its standard definition which means 480 horizontal lines (ie a screen res of 640x480 = ancient in computer terms!). LCD it will be 768 which in my opinion is still too little for PC use. 1080P would be the minimum but as far as i know there are no tv's littler than 40" featuring 1080P.

As for your PC it can easily be done under £500!

£70 - E4300 cpu
£70 - Gigabyte DS3 motherboard
£72 - 2gb Geil 800mhz ram
£100 - x1950pro or 7900gs gfx card
£20-50 - case
£30-50 - psu
£20 - dvd drive
£20 - KB & Mouse
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£402-452 (priced from Scan.com & overclockers.co.uk)
Stay away from eclipse computers, they dont keep anything in stock and order in each part which can take weeks!

Maybe step up the cpu to E6320 or treat yourself to a sexy case. The performance gain of the 8800GTS 320 over x1950pro/7900gs in dx9 games for me just isnt worth the extra £80.
June 7, 2007 2:57:38 PM

Hey guys seen these both on scan.com the latter was recommended to me (and is the one i think i'll get) but can anyone explain to me why the first is not suitable, and why it is not good enough

LN8039
550W EZcool Silent pPFC Power Supply AMD & P4 Ready 12cm Silent Fan 24Pin 6xPCI SATA £16.49 £19.38

LN15216
520W Corsair HX Series Modular PSU, ATX, EPS12V, whisper quiet, 5 year warranty £57.89 £68.02
June 7, 2007 4:17:58 PM

I am coming closer to the end now have a list to show -

2m Newlink HDMI v1.1 Male to DVI Male Cable (HDDV-002) £4.99 £5.86

Gigabyte GA P35-S3, iP35 Express, S 775, PCI-E (x16), DDR2 1066/800/667/533, SATA II, SATA RAID, ATX £59.59 £70.02

Intel Core 2 Duo E4300, Socket 775, 1.80 GHz, 800MHz FSB, Allendale Core, 2MB Cache, Retail £61.89 £72.72

2Gb (2X1GB) Corsair TwinX XMS2, DDR2 PC5400 (667), 240 Pin, Non-ECC Unbuffered, CAS 4-4-4-12 £39.54 £46.46

Samsung SH-S182M/BEBN 18x DVD±R, 8x DVD±DL, DVD+RW x8/-RW x6, DVD-RAM x12, IDE, Black, OEM, LS £15.99 £18.79

520W Corsair HX Series Modular PSU, ATX, EPS12V, whisper quiet, 5 year warranty £57.89 £68.02

Microsoft Windows Vista Home Basic 32Bit 1Pk OEM (DVD) £45.99 £54.04

Logitech White Wireless Desktop PRO Keyboard & Mouse £7.99 £9.39

250 Gb Seagate ST3250620AS Barracuda 7200.9, SATA300, 7200 rpm, 16MB Cache, 8.5 ms, NCQ £38.99 £45.81

This all come to £400 pounds leaves me without a case and a graphics card.

What else do i need when i buy components do i need any leads or wires?

do i need any glue or paste?

Do i need a new heat sink to oc the CPU?
June 7, 2007 7:16:24 PM

Good deal on the ram you selected there.

I forgot the hdd on my price list i drew up above, oops. I think your £50 for a 320gb now.

The one thing id scrap from your list is £70 Corsair PSU. Yes, it comes recommended, if you have the money, but would be better spent on the gfx card.
Save £20-30 with a Hiper.
Nothing wrong with them, apparently a British company so im not sure if the US knows about them.

Scan also do a pretty good selection of budget cases, probably cheap and nasty but hey, its a good place to save money.

With a x1950pro or 7900gs it should come in at £500 or therabouts, £520 maybe inc shipping.
June 7, 2007 9:08:38 PM

Quote:
Microsoft Windows Vista Home Basic 32Bit 1Pk OEM (DVD) £45.99 £54.04

Please dont buy this junk. Go with XP or Vista Premium 64Bit. What will happen is Vista 32bit will give you problems for some time then at some point youll need more RAM and have to upgrade to 64Bit. Vista 32Bit anything is Microsoft ME all over again. At best your limited to 3.3GB's of RAM and and worst 2.5GB.

I would suggest XP Digital Millenium Edition as Vista will make for some major headaches with new hardware. Not knowing if its the hardware or the OS could lead to weeks of your system not working correctly.
June 8, 2007 12:17:44 PM

advice noted on the psu and i have changed that to the hiper recommended.

in terms of the OS how long will vista need? I am gonna hold off ordering until the end of the month because of what everyone is saying about the price falls. how long does it take for a new OS to bed in?

the price of my setup isn't sitting too well with the missus. probably could spend £600 but has to be worth the ear ache i'll get

sheepish your the only one really recommending a lesser card than the 8800 gts. will the cards you recommend be ok with my TV?

cheers
June 8, 2007 6:00:22 PM

Quote:
advice noted on the psu and i have changed that to the hiper recommended.

in terms of the OS how long will vista need? I am gonna hold off ordering until the end of the month because of what everyone is saying about the price falls. how long does it take for a new OS to bed in?

the price of my setup isn't sitting too well with the missus. probably could spend £600 but has to be worth the ear ache i'll get

sheepish your the only one really recommending a lesser card than the 8800 gts. will the cards you recommend be ok with my TV?

cheers

Many wait a year for the OS so M$ has time for first service pack. If you must go Vista get the 64bit version that way you atleast have some years of use after the service pack. Find 2 buddies and get the 3pack 64bit OEM.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Not the best as it costs $314 for a 3 pack but its a better deal that $220 for 1 retail.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
If you find the 64bit OEM's sold in 1 packs please PM me.
June 8, 2007 6:43:39 PM

chiptouz, what is the point in spending $40 for a CPU cooler for a CPU that only costs 70 (or $59 for the oem, which you may as well buy if you're buying a separate cooler) Why not just buy a more expensive cpu, and OC it a little bit less? better yet why not just buy a stock 3600 and oc it as far as it will go with the stock cooler?
June 8, 2007 7:10:43 PM

The point in my opinion is that you should be able to overclock a lot more with an aftermarket solution than a stock. I will be honest with that I am unsure how much you can overclock the 3600 on the stock cooler, but with my 3800+ 10% was pushing it a lot. I also like the reusablility of an aftermarket cooler. If he decides to go with a core 2 duo later he can reuse the cooler, plus I like they way they look better than the stock. The artic cooler freezer 7 pro is like $35 US and does a great job.
June 9, 2007 3:04:37 PM

right guys massive change now hope zenmaster gets to see this and can offer advice!!

thinking of changing from the E4300 to the E6320 mainly for the 4MB cache which i read shows a great improvement.

reason i mention zenmaster is you offered great advice on the E4300 combined with the 667 ram as easily overclocked.

would it be still worth getting 667 ram and adding the E6320? would this be easily overclocked or would i need better ram 800 and extra cost?

sorry about going over old ground its just this is so new to me my heads spinning with all the new info and advice.

also just seen the antec 900 which costs alot more than my other case but i really like the look anyone any opinions on that?

once again a huge thanks to all of you can't express all the fun i'm getting out of this, looking forward to finally placing my order :D 
June 9, 2007 3:59:20 PM

Two Reason stand out. One a stock cool will not OC as well has even a cheap $10 heatsink/Fan as I use. Two noise, the stock fan is designed as cheap as possible for the given CPU. Three the transfer grease of a stock cooler is crap and will get much worst with age. Note I only said two as you can replace the grease of a stock cooler.
June 9, 2007 4:02:41 PM

I agree and my X2 3600 can max the mobo out at 300FSB @ 59c max. Thats 2.85GHz but due to fan noise I like it at 2.51GHz and a safe 53c max. This is on a 10~$15 cheap after market cooler which I choice due to a tight budget.
June 9, 2007 4:19:04 PM

I've been looking over the new price guide and the E6320 is gone. The new CPU is an E6540~E6550 for $163 and the E4300 is gone for the E4400 is the lowest at $113.
http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/itnews.php?tid=789466

I have no ideal about OC of the E6540 and E6550 however I would suggest the DDR2 800 as some work at a lower cas lantency at 533/667.

Now if you really want to go cheap looks like intel has a 1MB CPU price cut planed for July.
http://www.vr-zone.com/index.php?i=4976
OC'ed it looks like it can beat the X6800 which is great for a $84 CPU.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/pentium-e2...
At stock it only seems a match for the X2 3600 and 3.4GHz is to much to ask for on air cooling for the average OC'er. A reasonable 3-3.2GHz should beat a E6700 which is great.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/pentium-e2...
I think the pentium name is replacing celron's.
June 9, 2007 7:23:56 PM

Hi guys.

I'm following this thread with some interest, as i'm looking to build a new pc for £500 or buy one from a store for more and split payment over six months (speaking of which, are mesh computers any good?).

Please could you post a summary of the components once you've decided?

Good forum, this.
June 9, 2007 8:29:25 PM

Just wanted to say: solid advice from both Elbert and zenmaster :trophy:

Living outside the US can be so frustrating though when it comes to prices :roll:

I have to buy some of my components from the UK, and there can be a significant price difference (and not to our benefit :cry:  )
June 11, 2007 12:18:01 PM

Hi Tony, yeah these guys are wicked. In terms of the parts i'm going for they keep changing all the time but heres so far -

Gigabyte GA P35-S3, iP35 Express, S 775, PCI-E (x16), DDR2 1066/800/667/533, SATA II, SATA RAID, ATX £59.59 £70.02

Intel Core 2 Duo E4300, Socket 775, 1.80 GHz, 800MHz FSB, Allendale Core, 2MB Cache, Retail £61.89 £72.72

2Gb (2X1GB) Corsair TwinX XMS2, DDR2 PC5400 (667), 240 Pin, Non-ECC Unbuffered, CAS 4-4-4-12 £39.54 £46.46

Samsung SH-S182M/BEBN 18x DVD±R, 8x DVD±DL, DVD+RW x8/-RW x6, DVD-RAM x12, IDE, Black, OEM, LS £15.99 £18.79

Logitech White Wireless Desktop PRO Keyboard & Mouse £7.99 £9.39

250 Gb Samsung SP2504C SpinPoint P120, SATA300, 7200 rpm, 8MB Cache, 9.0 ms, NCQ £31.98 £37.58

530W Hiper HPU-4M530 SLi Ready Black ATX2.2/BTX SATAx2 PCI-Ex2 £36.89 £43.35

Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro - P4 up to 4.4GHz - S775 Dual Core / Core2Duo Ready £10.35 £12.16

Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound for CPU and Chipset Coolers £3.79 £4.45

Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium 32Bit 1Pk OEM (DVD) £54.89 £64.50

Antec Nine Hundred Ultimate Gamer Case w/o PSU £57.99 £68.14

320MB EVGA 8800GTS, PCI-E (x16), Mem 1600MHz, GPU 500MHz, 96 Streams, 2x Dual Link DVI-I/HDTV

These parts are all from Scan.co.uk in terms of cost this has risen above £500 but the case and the graphics are a bit of a luxury could cut cost there. Also i'm holding off buying until july as apparentcy CPU's are going to drop in price.
the cooler and paste are only needed if you plan to overclock otherwise the stock cooler will be fine.
Also if you're not going for a 8800 GTS then I think a cheaper PSU could be bought although it seems important not to scrimp too much on a PSU.

if you're buying now, that processor ram and motherboard are a good place to start good value and easily OCed Im told.
June 11, 2007 12:58:41 PM

If you can live without bragging rights over who has the 'bestest' computer on the block. Look around for a discounted 'barebones' kit or even an open box discount at a retailer.

Example: A friend picked up a an AMD 4000 x2 based Acer with 19" widescreen 5ms LCD and printer for a less than $586 including tax at Best Buy. It came with a $75 in discounts and she took back the printer ($50). Net $461. Upgraded to 2gb DDR 800 for $85, 500w PSU for $40, and EVGA 7900GS KO for $125. Total $711. (<$540 less monitor for a budget rig that will handle games with decent graphics settings) Not too bad!

So look around. For gaming the GPU makes the machine and there are deals to be had if you take the time to look.
June 11, 2007 4:46:55 PM

For just over £500 your doing well to squeeze a GTS in there as well as the Antec 900 case :) 

If I were you though i would ditch the artic silver paste. Unneccesary as both the Retail E4400 fan and FP7 come with paste and taking the pre-applied paste and reapplying it is kind of a waste of time for the 1 or 2 degrees your going to shave. It may even be worth considering dropping the FP7 too although at £12 its not going to break the bank. Its up to you but you should know that the retail fan is very much capable of taking an E4400 to 3GHz. I myself only run my E6300 at 2.4GHz (from 1.8GHz) to avoid having to increase the voltage (my own motherboards limit, differs from board to board).

Overclocking is great, very simple to nudge the FSB from 266 to 333 (my 1.8 -> 2.4 increase) without changing anything else. You dont have to push the limits of overclocking to reap the benefits.

In my experience of owning a FP7 its quite noisy at full speed so you might want to experiment with PWM fan control on your motherboard or using a program such as Speedfan.

Otherwise, spot on mate.
June 15, 2007 1:08:23 PM

sheepish this hasn't stayed at £500 unfortunately. prob looking at spending around £700 now :( 

but more i read more I seem to need.

This has changed again and prob will on 22nd but heres what I have so far -

Asus P5N-E SLI
(2x1GB) CorsairTwinX XMS2, DDR2 PC2-6400 (800) at 4-4-4-12
530W Hiper HPU-4M530
320MB EVGA 8800GTS
250 Gb Seagate 16MB cache
CoolerMaster Centurion 5
Vista Home Premium 64Bit
Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro
Core 2 Duo E6320
Optiarc (Sony/NEC) DVD

and a cable all comes in at £690 at scan.co.uk

What do people think?
June 15, 2007 2:03:45 PM

Did you switch to the Asus for SLI because the P35 board would be faster and have more of a CPU upgrade path? (If it's for SLI, then go for it.)

The Intel 965Chipset tends to be very slightly faster than the 650i boards with identical settings while the P35 tends to be faster than the 965 which would create a definite difference between the P35 and 650i boards.

I'm also not a fan of the 63xx CPUs.
Their Base speed is too low for the high default FSB.

I think you are better off with an E4300 or E6420.

Both of these would allow for OCing with less concern about FSB speeds or
FSB cooling. There are also less concerns with RAM OCs. If you were to run your E63xx with 1:1 speeds with your RAM, it would only be running at 2.8ghz. You need to push your ram well beyond DDR2800 speeds to get a really good CPU speed.

While this is often possible, I would rather save a few dollars and get the E4300 or E4400 which would be over 3.6Ghz with the RAM at rated speeds. Mind you that these chips would really likely not run much more than 3.2 Ghz without serious cooling.
June 20, 2007 9:48:50 AM

ok once again put on the right track by zenmaster my new list is -

CPU - E4300
GPU - 320MB EVGA 8800 GTS
MOBO - Gigabyte GA P35-S3
RAM - 2Gb Corsair TwinX (667) 4-4-4-12
CASE - Cooler Master Centurion 5
HDD - 250 Gb Seagate Barracuda
PSU - 530W Hiper
DVD - Optiarc (Sony/NEC)
OS - XP Home Edition SP2b (Release 2)
Cooler- Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro

All comes in at £605 inc VAT and Shipping

Any good?
a b B Homebuilt system
June 20, 2007 1:37:00 PM

Looks very nice. I think you'll be happy with it.
July 4, 2007 2:40:26 PM

right can anyone reccomend me a decent case?
July 4, 2007 4:08:04 PM

id go with this:

gigabyte ga-p35-ds3r $130

wintec ampo ddr2 800 2gb (2x1gb) $83 good for 504mhz at 2.1v

e2160 core 2 duo $91

evga 8800gts 320, $280

logisys ps575xbk psu $25

rosewill 604-p $35

x-fi xtreme audio 7.1 $65

total $716

-$20 mail in rebate

this would be plenty fast for most purposes, very upgradable in the future, and overclockable. you can get a thermalright ultra 120 extreme cpu heatsink here for 65 dollars shipped, it is the best air cooler money can buy.

so for about 800 bucks if you buy some 120mm fans as well.

you could save some money buying a cheaper videocard and just use the onboard sound if you want. i would recommend a 7600gt for 100 bucks, and upgrade to a dx10 card when nvidia releases its next revision later this year, early next year. by that time you should be able to upgrade the processor to intels 45nm penryn. or you can use the money saved to buy a 6320 that someone mentioned above, which has the 4mb of cache, the e2160, has only 1mb which hurts performance, running at 3.5ghz its performance is about equal to a stock e6800 running at 2.93, so its up you, but game performance would be better with a cheap processor and an 8800gts than it would with a cheap gfx card and a more expensive processor.
July 5, 2007 9:32:16 AM

hey I cannot get the parts you recommended, I am in the uk and the website dosen't ship here.

Does anyone know a us store that ships here and is still worth while?
July 5, 2007 10:33:47 AM

My new favourite for OCing is the E2160, it'll hit 3ghz on air cooling and outperform a stock E6700

cache memory on these things seems to make zero difference in real world (gaming) applications

for the UK, ebuyer.co.uk or misco.co.uk are my usual faves
July 5, 2007 11:18:53 AM

hey in regards to that psu you recommended are you sure? its just all the advice seems to point in the direction of making sure a decent amount is spent on the psu wouldn't a $25 psu be putting all my other components at risk?
July 5, 2007 2:31:28 PM

Hey right almost my final post on this build, want to know if with this build its worth waiting for july 22nd or should I just order now?

system is -

Corsair (2x1GB) DDR2 675MHz/5400 (4-4-4-12)

Point Of View 8800GTS 320MB DVI HDCP PCI-E

Antec Nine Hundred - Gaming Case with 200mm Top Fan

Extra Value Silver Wireless Keyboard with USB Rechargable Optical Mouse

2m Newlink HDMI v1.1 Male to DVI Male Cable (HDDV-002) £4.99 £5.86

Optiarc/NEC DVD

Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro

250 Gb Seagate Barracuda

Gigabyte GA P35-S3, iP35 Express, S 775, PCI-E (x16), DDR2
1066/533/667/800, SATA II, SATA RAID, ATX

530W Hiper HPU-4M530 SLi Ready Black ATX2.2/BTX SATAx2 PCI-Ex2

Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition SP2b (Release 2) OEM - Single Pack

Intel Core 2 Duo E4300, Socket 775, 1.80 GHz, 800MHz FSB, Allendale Core, 2MB Cache

will it change radically when the price drops come?
February 7, 2008 6:20:13 PM

robmurphy said:


Eclipse Computers in Coventry, eclipsecomputers.com have some
good deals, and often they are cheaper than ebuyer.

Eclipse have some good ready made systems, and they do not bundle the OS if you do not want it.

.


with all due respect Rob - Eclipse seem to have a terrible reputation for product reliability and customer service.
for the most part the feedback on numerous boards is frighteningly negative.
though the mags give them rave reviews !!!

a quick google ...

"The Trading Standards say this is illegal and they will act against the company if enough people complain - so DO IT TODAY! "
http://www.smallworldmedia.co.uk/weblog/2005/04/on_ecli...

and
"Eclipse computers are COWBOYS and extremely useless."
http://www.dooyoo.co.uk/electronic-stores/eclipse-compu...

and
"I would NEVER EVER order from them again, biggest bunch of cowboys under the sun imo.
Took over two weeks to send my order and there was a whole load of things wrong."

http://forums.hexus.net/shopping-retail-therapy/101995-...

and
"IF I DIDNT STOP MYSELF FROM PURCHASING FROM THESE MUPPETS, I WOULD HAVE PROBABLY LANDED ONE ON THE MANAGERS! "
http://www.ciao.co.uk/Reviews/eclipse_computers_com_Ecl...

and
"DO NOT USE ECLIPSE. THEY ARE ROTTEN TO THE CORE"
http://forums.hexus.net/hexus-hardware/52432-anybody-us...

and
"Do not be tempted to use this company - they are cheap but their after sales service stinks"
http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.html?t=1...

sure maybe only disatisfied customers complain but google Chillblast or Zoostorm or Dell and you don't find pages of angry feedback ! but you do with Eclipse !! and its not that they are a large company
an informed assessment of the wisdom of an Eclipse purchase should take this into account
February 7, 2008 6:47:53 PM

thank goodness i didn't buy the fusion something-HD, then... t was from eclipse...
!