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my 160gb seagate hard disk died a couple of weeks ago, so I took that as an excuse to upgrade my whole system, I've been looking around dabs.com and overclockers for the best prices because they're the best suppliers I know in the UK, I already have a DVD drive and hard disk so I came up with this:

AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400 OEM - £234.94

Thermaltake shark case - £82.19

Antec True Power II 550 watts - £76.32

BFG 7900GT OC 256mb - £184.42

Abit AN8-32X - £124.53

Corsair XMS PC3200 2GB (2x1GB) - £136.28

which makes a total of £838.68 (the motherboard and ram are from dabs and the rest are from overclockers) although overclockers did raise the price of the processor this morning so the total is something like £856 now

I do 3D animation so processing power and graphics are pretty important, I originally chose an MSI 7900GT, but the BFG card was faster and a little cheaper with the downside only being more noise from the fan I think. I'm sticking with socket 939 because from what I've heard AM2 isn't much of an advantage, and I think a 550 watt power supply is enough to run all that hardware without any trouble

I was just hoping I could get some advice from some of the more experienced builders here who've also got a better understanding of the current hardware choices, I've been looking around at the new core 2 duo stuff and it seems that the lowest processor performs just about as good as the highest AMD one, so maybe I could get an even better machine with intel for a similar price to what I'm paying now with AMD (although US prices seem to be a lot cheaper than the UK prices)

and one more thing, with the last 2 AMD computers I've built I've always gone OEM on the processor because it's cheaper, and I've always recieved a processor in a box with the heatsink and fan, although I was just told today that OEM shouldn't come with a cooler at all, can someone set me straight on this? I'm starting to think maybe I've just got lucky because they've sent me the retail processors both times even though I've only ordered OEM both times

so anyway if you have some suggestions for better hardware or perhaps a core 2 duo machine then I'd love to hear them before I spend all the money, thanks
 

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AMD AM2 Athlon 64 4600+ Windsor Core, Dual Core 2.4GHz, £176.12
256Mb XFX 7900GT £197.40
ASUS M2N32-SLi Deluxe NF590 SLI, Socket AM2 £125.67
Zalman CNPS9500-AM2 AMD Aero Flower Cooler, AM2/939/754 £34.06
2Gb (2X1Gb) Corsair TwinX XMS2, DDR2 PC5400 (667) £122.83
Akasa Eclipse-62 Midi Tower Case £82.18
460W Akasa Black Nickel Ultra quiet aPFC PSU with Black 12cm Fan ( 24Pin connector ) £43.89 £51.57

total.... with VAT and shipping... £807.46

£50 under buget and a better system..

www.scan.co.uk

or swap the 7900gt for a 7900GTX
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProductID=420928
 

shadowduck

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that processor only has a 512kb cache though, the 939 4400 had 1mb

Cache really does not make that much different in AMD world, but wait until next week when AMD is going to have a firesale to compete with Core2.

OEM usually means CPU only with a 1 year warranty, and retail is 3 year with heatsink and fan.

Go AM2 like the 2nd poster suggested instead of S939. Drop down the 3800+ (no reason to go higher right now), wait to upgrade to a higher CPU in December with 65nm AMD CPUs.
 
AMD AM2 Athlon 64 4600+ Windsor Core, Dual Core 2.4GHz, £176.12
256Mb XFX 7900GT £197.40
ASUS M2N32-SLi Deluxe NF590 SLI, Socket AM2 £125.67
Zalman CNPS9500-AM2 AMD Aero Flower Cooler, AM2/939/754 £34.06
2Gb (2X1Gb) Corsair TwinX XMS2, DDR2 PC5400 (667) £122.83
Akasa Eclipse-62 Midi Tower Case £82.18
460W Akasa Black Nickel Ultra quiet aPFC PSU with Black 12cm Fan ( 24Pin connector ) £43.89 £51.57

total.... with VAT and shipping... £807.46

£50 under buget and a better system..

www.scan.co.uk

or swap the 7900gt for a 7900GTX
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProductID=420928

Where to start......

Lose the M2N32-SLI.... totally not necessary here. SLI itself is a waste of money unless you're going to be doing any gaming above 1600 x 1200. Replace with the Asus M2N-E (£59.95 at overclockers)

Drop to an X2 3800+ like shadowduck said.

Lose the Zalman cooler unless you're going to be doing a lot of overclocking.

Stick with a 7900GT. A 7900GTX isn't worth the extra money... you can just overclock the card.

With the money saved, find and get this set of DDR2-800 RAM at overclockers

Corsair 2GB DDR2 XMS2-6400C4 TwinX (2x1GB) £169.95
 

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thanks for all the advice guys, I read somewhere that certain clock speeds on the new AM2 processors would mean the ram would perform like it was underclocked, could someone tell me more about that?
 

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thanks for all the advice guys, I read somewhere that certain clock speeds on the new AM2 processors would mean the ram would perform like it was underclocked, could someone tell me more about that?

Any CPU speed that you cannot divive by awhole number and get 400 exactly, you will underclock the RAM.

3800+ is currently the best choice AM2 CPU to get.
 

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Consider microdirect.co.uk, they have some good prices.

Also, ditch the Antec 550w TruePower for the Antec 550w NeoHE, its only £5-10 difference and its quieter with higher efficiency.

I've also just chosen an X1900XT over 7900GT, and I'm very happy with that decision (I was upgrading from a 7800GT). HDR in general looks ALOT better on ATI hardware, far less artificial.

Oblivion with 4xAA 8xHQ AF and HDR is stunning!
 

Dave87

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yeah I could never get antialiasing and HDR to work at the same time when playing oblivion with my 6600GT, it would crash when loading, and it would have probably been too slow to play anyway

my old PC didn't sell on ebay, so my budget has gone down to a little over £610, that's considering I have to buy a new hard disk for the old PC so it doesn't go to waste, I'll use it as an extra rendering machine now

using the components that have been recommended to me and changing the PSU to a cheaper Hiper HPU-4M580 the total comes to £678.14 which I might be able to get away with, I wonder if CAS5 DDR2 would be better value for money than the CAS4 I've chosen at the moment, I don't really know how the latencies affect performance

I think I'll also spec up a conroe machine to see if that'll be any better
 

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yeah I could never get antialiasing and HDR to work at the same time when playing oblivion with my 6600GT, it would crash when loading, and it would have probably been too slow to play anyway

nVidia cards do not support both features being enabled concurrently. This is an ATI only feature right now.