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Possible to build a 780ti without bottleneck, for under 1300?
Approximate Purchase Date: e.g.: The next two months is as long as I could wait if needed.

Budget Range: 1300, after rebate

System Usage from Most to Least Important:
MMO gaming, Gaming

Are you buying a monitor: No



Parts to Upgrade: I got a free unopened PSU, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
But not sure if it is good enough

Do you need to buy OS: No

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: I'm in NY, USA

Location: Buffalo, New York

Parts Preferences: No preference

Overclocking: maybe, if I can stay within budget

SLI or Crossfire: Probably not.

Your Monitor Resolution: 2560 x 1440p

Additional Comments:

And Most Importantly, Why Are You Upgrading: I don't have a desktop PC, need one for gaming, since my MBA is for school.
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a b 4 Gaming
August 12, 2014 1:49:43 AM

Karadjgne said:
ok, seems like you need an education. Lets say the game is BF4. Dude runs through a map, a new section, kills a german officer, objective over. Now, that's all new data, next objective, all new data etc. Nowhere will a SSD help in BF4 other than if that german officer is respawned. That's how SSD's work, data is stored in cache memory to be used repeatedly, but it has to be loaded first. SSD's help somewhat in loading MMO's since every other mob IS a respawn, even the BOSS get respawned, I'd like to see that german officer come back from the dead. SSD not much help in BF4, sorry. Too many unrepeated maps, scenarios, characters. Well mebe some of the tanks are the same mesh. whoopee.

You are an idiot. you are trying to compare 2 different benchmarks, used on 2 different test beds by different standards and you think 1 result means for definite that ASus runs cooler than anyone? Who mentioned Asus at all? Learn to read dude, you already screwed up and read wrong posts, then tried to flame me on it. 780ti's run hot when pushed, its a fact, get over it. 290x's run hotter, that's a fact, get over it.
OC is a hobby, not a necessity, but that said, why would someone buy an unlocked 'K' CPU, pair it with a Z97 motherboard and an aftermarket cooler if they weren't going to OC? maybe I'm stupid and like to overspend for no reason? Of course OP is going to OC sometime, sooner or later, even if its just a little experimental bump in multipliers to 4.2-4.3, wow that was a hard assumption to make.
Crucial Ballistix? are you for real? You honestly trying to compare low binned, 3rd rate Ballistix chips to the High binned, 1st rate chips used in the Sniper series? wow dude, you may want to learn some about ram. Contrary to popular belief, ram is not just ram. Its binned silicon, just like a cpu. That's like saying a fx8300 is just as good as a fx9590, it is after all the same cpu, but way better binned.
If you've never seen an asus gpu go bad, you don't read much, hahahaha.
There is a lot more to pasting and repasting than 'squirting a fingertip', which is wrong btw.
Might want to re-read some stuff, just saying


I need a education? ahahahah you need to learn how to read. You still haven't addressed the difficulty on whether the Op would have more difficulty screwing in 4 screws for a cpu cooler, or cloning his files for the OS, ssd over cpu cooler any time, you need to get your priorities straight, the first post mentioned asus,.... So tell me then, show me a benchmark in games that your ram beats cheaper 1600mhz ram? Yes, he could OC sooner or later but not as soon as he gets his pc, ocing is not needed even for his processor unless he does it for fun, therefore the stock cooler is fine and a ssd is more important. I even did a search on google for you :)  there were no results to suggest asus make bad gpu's or that their gpu's have problems, whereas a lot of people would say the acx cooler is worse than the reference cooler, do people say that about the DU CII cooler? no. You still haven't addressed the point where I said the Op wanted to know if he won't get bottleneck with a 780 ti under 1300 dollars, so are you saying he can't? And that he has to spend more money? because your build would certainly suggests that
August 11, 2014 10:25:54 PM

Please stop and just contribute instead of arguing over silly stuff. This isn't the place for it.
a b 4 Gaming
August 11, 2014 9:44:38 PM

ok, seems like you need an education. Lets say the game is BF4. Dude runs through a map, a new section, kills a german officer, objective over. Now, that's all new data, next objective, all new data etc. Nowhere will a SSD help in BF4 other than if that german officer is respawned. That's how SSD's work, data is stored in cache memory to be used repeatedly, but it has to be loaded first. SSD's help somewhat in loading MMO's since every other mob IS a respawn, even the BOSS get respawned, I'd like to see that german officer come back from the dead. SSD not much help in BF4, sorry. Too many unrepeated maps, scenarios, characters. Well mebe some of the tanks are the same mesh. whoopee.

You are an idiot. you are trying to compare 2 different benchmarks, used on 2 different test beds by different standards and you think 1 result means for definite that ASus runs cooler than anyone? Who mentioned Asus at all? Learn to read dude, you already screwed up and read wrong posts, then tried to flame me on it. 780ti's run hot when pushed, its a fact, get over it. 290x's run hotter, that's a fact, get over it.
OC is a hobby, not a necessity, but that said, why would someone buy an unlocked 'K' CPU, pair it with a Z97 motherboard and an aftermarket cooler if they weren't going to OC? maybe I'm stupid and like to overspend for no reason? Of course OP is going to OC sometime, sooner or later, even if its just a little experimental bump in multipliers to 4.2-4.3, wow that was a hard assumption to make.
Crucial Ballistix? are you for real? You honestly trying to compare low binned, 3rd rate Ballistix chips to the High binned, 1st rate chips used in the Sniper series? wow dude, you may want to learn some about ram. Contrary to popular belief, ram is not just ram. Its binned silicon, just like a cpu. That's like saying a fx8300 is just as good as a fx9590, it is after all the same cpu, but way better binned.
If you've never seen an asus gpu go bad, you don't read much, hahahaha.
There is a lot more to pasting and repasting than 'squirting a fingertip', which is wrong btw.
Might want to re-read some stuff, just saying
a b 4 Gaming
August 11, 2014 12:00:50 PM

legend001523 said:

look at what I wrote.

I did,your edit came later than my post.

I don't see why the gtx 780 ti should be in this build.The r9 290(X) should do fine on that resolution he wants to play.This saves a lot of money which can be spend on other=better parts.

Haven't seen much posts of the t.s. too so maybe he can some feedback?
August 11, 2014 2:30:02 AM

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-8350 4.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($179.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus Sabertooth 990FX R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($170.00 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Sandisk Ultra Plus 128GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($51.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 780 Ti 3GB Matrix Video Card ($739.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Corsair SPEC-02 ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Micro Center)
Total: $1331.92
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-08-11 04:55 EDT-0400

So here's my suggested build for you amazing 780 ti. I tried to keep you on premium level parts since your main focus is a $700 GPU. I didn't want to skimp anywhere that might make you regret it later on, especially on the theme of this build. This is why I chose one of the best 780 ti's on the market. To all those who bash on Asus customer service, I've never had problems with them, not to mention the ROG product line gets specialized service. I only went with 8 GB of ram because that's something you can order at another time when you've got the extra dough, though 8 GB of ram should be plenty for gaming. I also chose a 1 TB HDD because once again, that's something you can add later on. I made sure there was room for a decent SSD because I know how much of a pain it is to change everything over to a SSD after you've already gotten things situated on a larger one. I went with the Asus Sabertooth mobo because it's going to provide you with tons of expand-ability for years down the road. The Sabertooth will also allow you to overclock when you decide to do so due to its advanced thermal dissipation technologies. I went with a cheaper, yet aesthetically pleasing case from Corsair which has won several award from numerous online reviewers. The Spec-2 has great ventilation and plenty of room for more fans if you so choose and even has support for most water cooling solutions.

I did some research on your PSU for you just to give a little peace of mind. A lot of people on random forums flamed this PSU because it only has an 80+ rating. I found 2 professional reviews that most certainly show otherwise.
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Topower-PowerBird-900-W-Power-Supply-Review/738/10
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2008/10/07/topower_powerbird_series_power_supplies/1#.U-iDbPldVmM

I hope all this helps. Cheers and Good Luck!
a b 4 Gaming
August 11, 2014 12:29:34 AM

Karadjgne said:
Feeling guilty? Slighted? Offended?
1) never mentioned either of the msi boards, i like msi, i think the gigabyte i chose is the better board, in this case.
2) for major majority of games an ssd is of little to no use, some yes, mostly no.
3) op is using a 780ti, and while not the hottest running card, its still warm. Add to that an oc 125w cpu, which could easily push the 180w limit of a hyper212 evo, especially since op stated he likes MMO's like WoW which are heavy cpu usage, I'd prefer to have a beefier cooler over a faster boot time anyday.
4) g-skill sniper series ram is better binned than the popular, but good, g-skill ripjaws X, as I said. Did I mention the Corsair? Yeah... Not. The sniper is lower profile, and will fit under the nh-d14 cooler I chose, the ripjaws will have probs being taller heatsink.
5) I never made mention at all about Asus having bad cards. I own an Asus gpu, motherboard and 2x monitors. Asus makes some serious quality products. But s hit happens, and if i had a @$650 gpu, I'd rather deal with Evga's service and support. Asus version is not so good.
6) a good 90% of all cpu overheating problems after installing a new cooler can be laid at the feet of the paste. Its either too light, too heavy, not squashed enough from a lightly tightened cooler, over spill from an incorrectly tightened cooler. And cleaning the cpu is a disaster waiting to happen, and it does, frequently. Spills, touching the pins, not cleaning properly, leaving residue etc. Repasting is not for the faint of heart. Cloning a drive? Easy in comparison.

My first computer was a Vic20, then a Commodore 64 with space invaders on an external tape drive. If you have no idea what I'm talking about, you may just want to sit back, relax and get an education instead of spouting crap at people.


Why would I feel guilty or offended, it's a debate..
1. Firstly, I'll admit, looked at the wrong post, my bad, I apologise
2.Majority? Any games with a map is going to benefit from it, bf4, bf3, or even any campaign which has different sections to load, all of them benefit from a ssd, and you still haven't addressed how the OP is going to transfer their os to their ssd? Do you still think that's easier than mounting a cpu cooler?
3.http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/graphics/62733-evga-gefor...
http://www.ocaholic.ch/modules/smartsection/item.php?it...
Even when overclcoked the asus' temps are cooler, how about actually research your theories before you post
them?
And also, the stock is designed to keep the temps under control, tell me where the OP says they will OC straight away? Please, make me laugh and tell me, wow is cpu intensive but with a good quad core like the 4690k, oc is not required, in fact, the OP doesn't need to overclock at all. You just make assumptions that everyone is going to overclock sooner or later
4. No you did not mention the corsair, but, what about the crucial ballistix? it's cheaper than the RAM you listed. So tell me why the OP shouldn't save a few dollars and get your RAM over the crucial ballistix which is cheaper?
5.'Not so good' - I have not really seen any problems related to this card, here
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=asus+dc+II+780+ti+pro...
6. You literally just squirt a fingertip of it on the middle of the chipset.

No, i have no idea what you're talking about, but you should actually do some research on things you say before you start posting and actually learn to read things properly
The Op asks if it is possible to not bottleneck a 780 ti under 1300 dollars, he didn't say, 'oh and I am definitely going to overclock as soon as I've built the PC'
Any build with a motehrboard that's z97 compatible and has a pcie 3.0 x16 or even 2.0 is fine, and as long as he has a z87 or z97 chipset and 8gb of ram, no bottlenecks are going to be seen. Unless you think having a stock cpu cooler is going to seriously mess his 780 ti up? Or , or.. what about the case???!!!!
a b 4 Gaming
August 10, 2014 5:59:41 PM

Thats not exactly a 1/2 bad idea, and I for one wouldn't flame you lol, but there is one not so good thing going on with AMD right now. Gamers and enthusiasts come in second. AMD is pushing to corner the market of the 'average joe' pc, doing so with APU based pc's, and they'll succeed with pricing the way it is. No 'ifs, ands or buts' about it, AMD is cheaper all around. So gamers come second, AMD had to create their own API, just because they are cut out of nvidia's deal with Microsoft directX, which meant poor performance vrs a similar nvidia card, but they are still working to improve that. Its not that AMD builds a bad product, or has crappy architecture, I personally think they are ahead in that respect, AMD just can't catch a break. The people who fesign games and other software are Intel first and foremost, with AMD coming in second, when you consider that its intel based companies who write their paychecks.

If you want to game, Intel is the better choice, if you just want to play, AMD is the cheaper alternative.
a b 4 Gaming
August 10, 2014 5:51:05 PM

gizzard1987 said:
I tell ya, I'm probably going to get flamed for saying this but from the games list you gave, you might look into going with an 8350 or something over an intel. It'll be a cheaper processor and that'll open up some options for some other fun toys in the build. I'll post my suggestion in a bit when I'm off work. pcpartpicker doesn't like my phone browser or I'd do it now.


That's a good point, depending on the build you might be better off with an 8350 than an i5. Especially if you can OC it, because the fx processors aren't bad at OCing. I am OCing my fx right now about .7ghz over the stock clock and I'm running at 4.2ghz. They get hot, though, so if you do get one get a good aftermarket cpu cooler
August 10, 2014 5:28:30 PM

I tell ya, I'm probably going to get flamed for saying this but from the games list you gave, you might look into going with an 8350 or something over an intel. It'll be a cheaper processor and that'll open up some options for some other fun toys in the build. I'll post my suggestion in a bit when I'm off work. pcpartpicker doesn't like my phone browser or I'd do it now.
a b 4 Gaming
August 10, 2014 4:57:49 PM

Feeling guilty? Slighted? Offended?
1) never mentioned either of the msi boards, i like msi, i think the gigabyte i chose is the better board, in this case.
2) for major majority of games an ssd is of little to no use, some yes, mostly no.
3) op is using a 780ti, and while not the hottest running card, its still warm. Add to that an oc 125w cpu, which could easily push the 180w limit of a hyper212 evo, especially since op stated he likes MMO's like WoW which are heavy cpu usage, I'd prefer to have a beefier cooler over a faster boot time anyday.
4) g-skill sniper series ram is better binned than the popular, but good, g-skill ripjaws X, as I said. Did I mention the Corsair? Yeah... Not. The sniper is lower profile, and will fit under the nh-d14 cooler I chose, the ripjaws will have probs being taller heatsink.
5) I never made mention at all about Asus having bad cards. I own an Asus gpu, motherboard and 2x monitors. Asus makes some serious quality products. But s hit happens, and if i had a @$650 gpu, I'd rather deal with Evga's service and support. Asus version is not so good.
6) a good 90% of all cpu overheating problems after installing a new cooler can be laid at the feet of the paste. Its either too light, too heavy, not squashed enough from a lightly tightened cooler, over spill from an incorrectly tightened cooler. And cleaning the cpu is a disaster waiting to happen, and it does, frequently. Spills, touching the pins, not cleaning properly, leaving residue etc. Repasting is not for the faint of heart. Cloning a drive? Easy in comparison.

My first computer was a Vic20, then a Commodore 64 with space invaders on an external tape drive. If you have no idea what I'm talking about, you may just want to sit back, relax and get an education instead of spouting crap at people.

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