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Started by Nick Verbeek | | 27 answers
Hey people,
I just bought myself a 1800 euro computer.
Also pre ordered shadow of mordor,only i saw that ultra needs 6gb vram?Wtf is that.
Can i even run it?
Specs below
i5 4670K
MSI Z97-G45 motherboard
MSI GtX 970 maybe later SLI
16 GB Corsair pro series 1866mhz
Corsair H100i watercooling
Corsair AX860 powersupply
250 GB ssd samsung
2TB WD HDD
Corsair 450D
5 Corsair SP120 cool n quit fans
What u think?The recommended is a i7 ? Is my cpu not enough? Pfff
I just bought myself a 1800 euro computer.
Also pre ordered shadow of mordor,only i saw that ultra needs 6gb vram?Wtf is that.
Can i even run it?
Specs below
i5 4670K
MSI Z97-G45 motherboard
MSI GtX 970 maybe later SLI
16 GB Corsair pro series 1866mhz
Corsair H100i watercooling
Corsair AX860 powersupply
250 GB ssd samsung
2TB WD HDD
Corsair 450D
5 Corsair SP120 cool n quit fans
What u think?The recommended is a i7 ? Is my cpu not enough? Pfff
Murissokah
October 17, 2014 6:26:43 AM
You guys seriously need to understand the difference between using VRAM and requiring VRAM. Some guy posts a VRAM usage of 5.5GB at ultra and suddenly the game requires that amount. This is not how it works. This is not how any of this works.
As many have seen already, this title can be run over 60fps at maximum settings on a GTX 970. So what happened to the requirement?
Well, it turns out it wasn't a requirement. It turns out that, since the video card in which some guy ran the game had 6GB of VRAM, it used it. It turns out the driver is smart enough to cache as much data as it possibly can, to make use of that resource. But it also turns out that those last 2GB of cache are hardly needed as data can be read from disk/RAM while the game works on the 4GB available to other video cards, which is more than enough.
In short, if you have a lot of VRAM, it only makes sense to cache as much as you can. This doesn't make it a requirement in any way.
This is very much alike the way windows pre-caches stuff to RAM. When this feature came up (superfetch), people saw RAM usage skyrocket and things like "windows vista requires 16GB ram" were said all over. Turns out it worked perfectly with 4GB, but would cache another 12 if you gave it to the OS, because, well... because it could.
Basically, stop comparing RAM usage (which is worthless information) and start comparing performance.
As many have seen already, this title can be run over 60fps at maximum settings on a GTX 970. So what happened to the requirement?
Well, it turns out it wasn't a requirement. It turns out that, since the video card in which some guy ran the game had 6GB of VRAM, it used it. It turns out the driver is smart enough to cache as much data as it possibly can, to make use of that resource. But it also turns out that those last 2GB of cache are hardly needed as data can be read from disk/RAM while the game works on the 4GB available to other video cards, which is more than enough.
In short, if you have a lot of VRAM, it only makes sense to cache as much as you can. This doesn't make it a requirement in any way.
This is very much alike the way windows pre-caches stuff to RAM. When this feature came up (superfetch), people saw RAM usage skyrocket and things like "windows vista requires 16GB ram" were said all over. Turns out it worked perfectly with 4GB, but would cache another 12 if you gave it to the OS, because, well... because it could.
Basically, stop comparing RAM usage (which is worthless information) and start comparing performance.
BrandonCSLC
October 11, 2014 11:44:37 AM
BrandonCSLC
October 11, 2014 8:56:17 AM
Hmmmm.... I get 60fps all day on Max settings. with a Fx8350 and a GTX 770 4GB @ 1080p. Dont know what this HD pack is though. Will look when I get home. SLI doesn't work for this game otherwise I would have it on. The game has some bugs they need to work out. Lightning for example creates rainbow colors on the ground and random FPS drops.
Frag Maniac said:
all stalked out said:
First of all every game is developed on PC...LOL, that is SOOO not true.
Everyone knows that Halo 3 was coded on an Xbox360, they hooked up a keyboard and everything.
Every game was developed on PC, maybe not for PC though. The software that exists in a smartwatch definitely wasn't coded using the device itself, even though the software wouldn't run on a PC outside of an emulator.
Charliemurphy127
October 9, 2014 4:47:58 AM
I currently get 102avg on full ultra in 1080p with my specs. I also get 73avg with full ultra in 1080p w/ the rendering at 150% or 2880x1620. This is in the benchmark just to be clear. I have a video to prove this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3UZqsJjDEM&list=UUpn5W.... Your gpu should get 73avg on full ultra in 1080p in this game.
My rig specs:
i7 5820k 4.5ghz
16gb 2666mhz Gskill Ripjaws 4
2x 280x Powercolor Turboduo@1100mhz
Msi x99s Sli Plus
Corsair H100i
Asus Xonar Essence Stx
128gb Samsung 840 Evo
1tb Seagate Barracuda 7200rpm
Cooler Master Haf XM
Evga Supernova 1300w g2
Windows 8.1 64bit
My rig specs:
i7 5820k 4.5ghz
16gb 2666mhz Gskill Ripjaws 4
2x 280x Powercolor Turboduo@1100mhz
Msi x99s Sli Plus
Corsair H100i
Asus Xonar Essence Stx
128gb Samsung 840 Evo
1tb Seagate Barracuda 7200rpm
Cooler Master Haf XM
Evga Supernova 1300w g2
Windows 8.1 64bit
Jhug
October 7, 2014 6:49:23 PM
GObonzo
October 7, 2014 5:50:35 PM
Eleazaros said:
GObonzo said:
running Shadow of Mordor on my 4GB 770 using Ultra HD texture Pack and everything @ highest settings 1080p. looks much better than the High texture setting and runs great.tried running the Ultra HD Texture Pack on my 1GB 7770 and 2Gb 7870 and both crashed with memory allocation errors over and over. put them down to High texture setting and crashes\memory errors stopped.
Honest question - are you sure its actually loading the Ultra HD Pack?
Someone I know with a 4GB card said it would let him pick the pack but loaded the next step down.
"looks much better than the High texture setting"
Frag Maniac
October 7, 2014 4:30:43 PM
Eleazaros
October 7, 2014 3:13:45 PM
Mahisse said:
I'd have to agree.. If 4+ gb vram is going to be normal, I'm pretty sure Nvidia and AMD would know about this and probably would have adapted the 900 series for these requirements. Unless they already had started the production when they found out. But not let's not forget that AMD provided what's in the PS4 so they should have a pretty clear view on what those machines can offer compared to a PC GPU. It's only natural to assume they will provide cards that is up to pair with the PS4.What people is also forgetting is the Ultra HD pack is just a nice feature for people, who have monster cards and are able to utilize the potential. It's actually some real love for high-end PC gamers. You don't need the HD pack for good graphics at all but it's there if you want it and your PC can handle it. It's not for the masses and it was never intended to be.
I'm less interested/concerned about a 1-time game situation. The "first in" is what I'm looking at - first one trending for more games like it and more and more... That's the usual on any kind of "you'll need more to do this" with respect to computers.
With several other games coming out of the next few months wanting 4GB - this one having a 6GB option up front... How soon do you plan on upgrading your video again? and again... and again...
That's the part I'm looking at. I like the card I get to last a while - driver issues, etc. So I tend to buy higher-end units but with some miles on that model so I know they work well and are reliable. (GTX 780 series being very reliable and excellent quality -- until these vRAM changes... and the 6GB cards disappearing...)
So this game? That game? But a few? ... That's not something to ignore and this one is starting at 6GB (which with respect to the GTX 780 series was about $50 more than 3GB). If that's something we'll see across the next year, that's something to watch out for if you like higher end quality graphics.
Eleazaros
October 7, 2014 3:06:12 PM
GObonzo said:
running Shadow of Mordor on my 4GB 770 using Ultra HD texture Pack and everything @ highest settings 1080p. looks much better than the High texture setting and runs great.tried running the Ultra HD Texture Pack on my 1GB 7770 and 2Gb 7870 and both crashed with memory allocation errors over and over. put them down to High texture setting and crashes\memory errors stopped.
Honest question - are you sure its actually loading the Ultra HD Pack?
Someone I know with a 4GB card said it would let him pick the pack but loaded the next step down.
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