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agree w/ most everything said here. Flash games are like light beer to your intelligent stout. One is good and the other, well...
Time to reach into your six-demon bag, drink the magic potion and feel invincible. Waltz in and out like the wind.
As you go on to hopefully better things, remember to never drive faster than you can see and that it's all in the reflexes.
I look for your return to our world soon.
| sojrner wrote : As you go on to hopefully better things, remember to never drive faster than you can see and that it's all in the reflexes. |
Very nice Jack! lol
Best,
3Ball
Wish you guys the best.
I'll be honest, this move stinks. Bad.
Will also miss debating the scoring scale with Rob.
You guys should start your own site or blogs and continue your videos and reviews on there. I'd still check it out. Second Take was a nice distraction while I worked.
I really don't understand the new direction of Tom's Games. So it's just going to have flash games like albinoblacksheep.com and those other flash sites? So they're trying to bring in the casual gamers when the site always catered to the more experienced (snobbish?) of PC gamers. Tom's Hardware and Tom's Guides provided people with the tools to build their own systems while Tom's Games provided intelligent commentary and game reviews for PC gamers. I don't know the exact viewership, but I'm sure most of your fans are PC gamers who have decent computers and prefer gaming on the PC rather than console. Maybe it's just another sign that PC gaming is dying... DUN DUN DUN! Even though I bought Crysis Warhead, Fallout 3, Far Cry 2, Guild Wars Trilogy, Storm of Zehir, and Colonization all this fall...
I am completely disgusted by this ridiculous BestOfMedia decision.
You guys are the best game reviewers I know, and the only ones to write unbiased reviews.
I will miss Second Take badly.
Flash games? FLASH GAMES????? BESTOFMEDIA, ARE YOU KIDDING US ??????
Guys, please tell us where you go, if you continue to publish articles in the Net, I will read whatever you guys write.
I learnt to trust you. It's sad how today all game review sites gives 8's and 10's to crappy sponsored games..... You guys were to me the only source for reliable, unbiased information..... Oh, and the show was fun, too!
I already removed Tom's from my bookmarks. EVERYTHING. Tom's Games, Hardware, etc. For now on, I will read my hardware reviews on Anandtech.
I wish the best of luck for you guys, you deserve a better place to work.
Best Regards,
rfunes
what a pile of ass
Did someone mention ass
that ass isn't very firm but at least you didn't post the goatse man, allthough that would about sum up my feelings about this "new direction".
Wow, I had to read that twice to make sure my eyes weren't lying. Another "success" for MBA corporate governance, no doubt. I mean, they already gave us the financial crises, you'd think that was enough for one year....
Loved the reviews, and will especially miss Second Take. I hope you guys can continue it in another incarnation somewhere. Second Take was great at exposing me to games that I wouldn't read reviews about or bother with normally. Damn, I can't think out of the box anymore!
Best of luck to you guys. I'll be keeping a keen eye out for your future work! And sending my email to join your armies of darkness
'Tis a sad day indeed. Good luck in your future endeavours Rob, Travis and Ben.
Wow flash games is that a new applet for rendering composite 3dgames?
I know why this happening its a massive conspiracy backlash to stop the protest concerning all the negative press following all of the information you let out about the joys of SecureRom...
This is terrible news next we will be told about how hardware reviews will simply be company press releases as a way to remove reviewer potential bias from an article.
Very sorry to hear about this..... will look you Rob on Team Fortress 2 I'll have a dispenser for you.
Guess I'll seek my reviews on anandtech so I don't support best of media anymore.
Come play with naughty Kasumi. Click on the various items on the left and pick her position and her bikini. Then, use the arrows to undress her...
Wow what great games now I know what to do with my new Corei7
So now we know what Joseph Hazelwood captain of the Exxon Valdez'ss new job is CEO of Best of Media
Very disheartening to see intelligence replaced by idiocy. What sort of brain dead morons play Flash games anyway? Not the same people who know and love and BUY games. I'm feeling sad and baffled at the same time by this stupid decision. I keep hoping it's some kind of joke. I mean Flash games? Really? wtfe
Coolvoodoo
Wow. I often has seen ppl mention that over the years the quality of Tomshardware has eroded, I chalked up that talk to the fact the internet itself has changed and people do not like change very much. However, The second take was by far my favorite aspect of toms over the last year or so. Having insightful debate by guys whom actually gave a damn helped me make it through my lack of enjoying this site in the way I used too (back when the internet seemed more innocent). Now I read this?! Frankly I have zero interst in flash based games, as someone already mentioned I already spend quite a bit of money each year to play my PC games. Now I am wondering where in the world can I go to get honest reviews of games or insight? The console stuff is so watered down (read this to mean IGN or gamespot) for me that it makes me sick. Well good luck fellas, I will miss you guys. BTW, while I do not post much, I have been a loyal reader of this site from its inception. I am wondering why do I stick around anymore.
This is sad news indeed. Second Take was the Best!
On the plus side, it frees up a bookmark, since I won't be coming around here again.
Hope to run into you somwhere else...integrity is becoming an endangered species online. Best of luck to you.
| coolvoodoo wrote : What sort of brain dead morons play Flash games anyway? |
I played one once. I went blind for a week
OMG... you gotta be kidding !!!
I'm not the kind of person to leave zillions of comments everywhere... but this time I really have to.
I am very disappointed about the decision of taking Tom's Games down (or as they call it: changing the "direction" of the site). I really appreciated the site and was always eagerly looking forward to the next "Second Take".
Ben, Rob, Travis... I think you were doing a great job and I always appreciated it. I wish you all the best.
I'm sorry to see you guys go. I enjoyed reading your articles with my coffee in the mornings.
Best of Luck and let us know if you start a site on your own.
My apple plays Call of Duty and Farcry 2 just fine...
I am so stunned by this announcement, the stupid thing is, like many people here, it will mean I will stop coming to Tom's hardware at all anymore, the gaming site was the main attraction, but I would just hit tomshardware.com first, read some of the stuff then jump over to games, whereas I just took TH out of my bookmarks and won't be back to any of their sites now.
*sigh*
Thanks for the commitment to quality over the years guys, I enjoyed the reviews by mature gamers who cared about games, the industry and (as a programmer myself) piracy. You will be missed, I looked forward to second take..
Oh well, good luck in whatever you guys do next, I'll keep an eye out for ya.
Well this just sucks..ah well another bookmark to be deleted from my favourites.
I loved 2nd take and will miss it.
Best of luck to Rob+Ben+Travis in the future
I may not agree with your reviews but I have found them to be the most helpful out of all the sites I visit.
I mainly come here for both of your reviews and hit techreport.com right after. I will miss that morning ritual.
I wish both of you well and for you to move onto bigger and better things.
( been lurking for a long time had to respond to this. )
Please post news where you guys end up!
Goodbye
Starring Rob Wright as Eric Clapton, Ben Meyer as Jack Bruce and Travis Meacham as Ginger Baker.
*sniff* Goodbuy...
Hey maybe I'll see you on TF2 sometime.. I play on the Lotus clan server a good bit
Reply to physx7
Dear Rob and others,
It is a shame that the management of the site took this decision. And that is putting it gently... Changing a site where people give there clear opinion about all matters concerning games, changing to a characterless flash game site.
I especially took an account on this forum to let you know this. I've enjoyed every episode of "second take". I hope you will find a new spot for this excellent video item. I enjoyed the fresh look on things in this, and was, after watching always looking forward for the next.
Greetings from a the Netherlands
Triple
Fro the most part, only time I ever went to the Games section on Tom's was for Second Take or the reviews (and sometimes to see game news blurbs). The new site sounds truly awful and boring, as I have no interest in flash games. Terrible decision.
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so does Toms Games or Best of Media have the rights to the name "Second Take"?
or are you able to take that with you?
Aww crap, aint that a kick in the ass! Flash games? Are you serious? Gonna miss you guys! Kinda skews the whole "legit" thing Toms had going. Thats messed up.
| jamesl wrote : so does Toms Games or Best of Media have the rights to the name "Second Take"?
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We are working diligently and pursuing several avenues to keep Second Take alive, so stay tuned...
I thought content had been nuked in general on the rest of the site already.. Toms has been pretty lame and always behind on charts and things anyway as of late.
It was one of my start page tabs, but no more.
I already have a flash games portal running myself that even *I* don't visit.
| NarwhaleAu wrote : Rob and Tom
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I totally agree with you.
| robwright wrote : We are working diligently and pursuing several avenues to keep Second Take alive, so stay tuned... |
As much as this situation sucks, this is really good news (a shred of light if you will). I hope that this works out.
Best of luck
Dang, that was my favroite part of tom's hardware...
And here I was, wondering where ST had gone again this Friday...I had chalked it up to XMas.
I'll shal take my leave but not before you answer me, these questions three...
Actually, screw it...there was a long rant here but it's not worth it and I'd rather let these three gentlemen (well two gentlemen and one console noob...yuk-yuk) move on in relative peace and with a positive vibe, of which I'll try to encourage by saying this:
You chuckleheads...well done.
I've been frequenting Tom's Hardware since the days of the Athlon T'Bird and its infamous "pencil trick" (at least Rob and Trav might appreciate that one...Ben, that makes it right around the release of the PS2).
ST and the reviews were the ONLY reason I was still around and ST even made me come back to the forums after being gone for so long that I had forgotten my old name and password (ie. YEARS).
Anywho, I'll leave (Tom's that is...you'll see me on GMail gents) by saying that I was another of those who watched ST, coffee (or beer...depends on if it was after work on Friday or Saturday morning) in hand. You're all around my age and you know that the 'Net's been bandied about as 'the 21st century newspaper' for years and years now and I think that, finally, that's beginning to be a fair assesment.
Having said that, I think you should take great satisfaction and be spurred on to bigger and even better things knowing that for some, perhaps many, you were our Sunday morning paper...and that speaks volumes.
Super Mario's Flying Golden Churro Circus shal not go gently into that good night...
Man this sucks. I guess greed rules the world! I will really miss you guys. Thanks for second take and the great honest reviews. I hope we can catch you guys on another site
Flash Games? We don't need no stinking Flash Games!!
This is (or was) a computer component and PC gaming site not a creche, ffs.
What a crock.
I can just see the new reviews...Tom's tests out new, bleeding edge graphics card on.....a flash game. Gets 0/10
Rob, Ben, Travis and anybody else who has been severed from the late great Tom's Games, my fondest wishes and best of luck to you. And we will be looking for a rebirth of what we now must call "The Old Tom's Games" in some other form, under some other name, at some other domain...and hopefully it will be under the ownership and control of you guys, not some greedy and narrow-sighted corporation. God speed, live long and prosper, may the force be with you, and yippe-kay-yay, mother******.
Rest in peace, Tom's Games.
...flash games....flash games......... *sighs and lowers head in a mournful shame*
Really sorry to see you go.
Second Take was one of the most informative shows on videogames. It will be missed.
Looking forward to your next project.
Michele
So, let me get this straight....
I read Toms Hardware almost every single day so I can make informed decisions as to which state of the art components to put in my own computer, and those that I build for friends. I look for the products that will give me bleeding edge performance, at a reasonable price. Toms HARDWARE is the site that gives me the best, most objective information to allow me to make these decisions.
Why do I want to make computers with bleeding edge hardware?
To surf the net? To send emails to my granny? To use a teensy chat window to talk to my friends?
NO! I BUILD STATE OF THE ART COMPUTERS TO PLAY STATE OF THE ART PC GAMES!!!!!!!!!!!
I use computers (both Mac and PC) at work every day, to run cutting edge instruments and analyse state of the art molecular genetics data. We use low end Pentium or Mac computers, with integrated crappy graphics, because THATS ALL YOU NEED.
HELLO! Anyone home at Toms Hardware???? PC gamers are the reason anyone gives a crap about better hardware! I can play flash games on the piece of junk sitting on the floor at the back of my laundry room.
Please explain to me why I, a Toms Hardware junkie, would EVER need to even look at Toms Games now??? I will switch to another sited to get my info about PC games.
Please explain to me why a person with a low end computer, who only plays flash games, would even know about Toms Hardware, or log on to Toms Games to get flash games??
There are HUNDREDS of sites that have flash games, and those low tech users probably already have them bookmarked.
This is really just a skit from the new DUMB and DUMBER sequel.... right?
Akk! I can't even stand to look at the Hardware site anymore.... I am just disgusted. I am signing out, deleting bookmarks, and searching for a new site.
Ben, Rob, Travis, good luck with whatever you do next. We will miss you.
Unbelieveable!!!! You guys were the best voice for P.C. gaming and not having Second Take anymore just plain SUCKS.What a bunch of B.S.!!!
Second Take..............GONE?!?!?!?!?!?!
Now that's absolutely ridiculous, at the very least keep those geeks doing ST because a pile of peeps will miss it greatly.
Scooby the dude
Soooo, I guess I just lost my main reason for coming to Tom's. I really enjoyed Second Take - Ben and Rob are funny as hell and put together a great show every week (or so). Even my wife who hates gaming knew who you guys were. Anyway, best of luck in the future. I'm not sure where I'll be able to find real honest reviews like those put together by Rob and Travis, ones that helped me decide what to buy and what to avoid, but I'm hoping that someone with more brains decides to hire all of you and put you to good use in a place where you'll be appreciated. Goodbye guys, and goodbye Tom's - this is the last time I'll come here.
Rob, Travis, Ben, sorry to see you go I enjoyed secondtake and your reviews. I’ve learn over the years that sometimes a change in your life is not necessarily a bad thing but sometimes the best thing that could happen to you. I’m sure this is going to be a good change for you all because you guy’s are very talented and will have no problem coming up with a gig. Best of luck to you all.
| robwright wrote : We are working diligently and pursuing several avenues to keep Second Take alive, so stay tuned... |
awesome
can you guys take Tamara and "The Spotlight" along with you ?
seriously
you guys doing Second Take, game news and reviews and Tamara doing general pc tech news would be freakin' awesome
Oh wow. I just saw the new TomsGames site & layout.
How could a site go from being the top of my favourites list to being the worst site I have visited in living memory? I .... didn't feel this violated the first time I got Goatse'd.
Rob, Ben, etc. - I'll keep an eye out for where you wind up, and follow you there!
Man this sucks. Even with a new baby in the house I still managed to sneak away and get my second take fix. I hope you find a new place where you're appreciated and treated with the respect you deserve. Thanks for the good times.
Fred
I've been reading Tom's Hardware for years to keep up with the latest in hardware and honest reviews. This move and the lack of good reviews on the Hardware side have turned me off, and I as others here will be deleting my bookmark. And I mean my Tom's Hardware bookmark. Tom's was about integrity. Best of Media is not. There are lots of other sites that can give what I need.
Thank you Ben and Rob for making my day with each episode of Second Take. I waited patiently for each one and was saddened to find out why this week's never showed. I will be looking for you in some sort of reincarnation. Keep up the great work. People will watch, and whoever takes you up (and their advertisers) will appreciate that.
Now where's that delete menu item...
Watching Second Take become somewhat of a ritual for me that signalled the end of the week. I really enjoyed the more personal, mature and bite-sized nature of it, which was a real treat when so many podcasts/broadcasts are either squeeling nerdboys or dull columnists droning on too long about recycled debates and who-knows-what. So thanks and good luck with whatever comes next.
Ah, and such is the fate of all unbiased game journalists. Sadly, quality doesn't really mean much to most gamers anymore.
It's sad to see you fellows go. Your write-ups and videos have become the only gaming stuff that I read anymore; most others simply are not worth much.
I thank you guys so much for the quality effort that was "Second Take." I rarely ever watch video reviews of any kind, but I always looked forward to the next one.
Thanks guys!
Now... go get real jobs
This is indeed a very sad day.
Best of luck Rob, Ben and Travis and in your next projects and we all hope to see you around the net for a spiritual sequel of Second Take.
PA
On one hand why join a forum just to agree with pretty much everything on it.
On the other...flash games? WTF
Did I do something? Do you hate me? If you don't why are driving a hot poker through my eye? Flash games?
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