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Hmm, Well light behaves like a particle AND a wave. I would guess that you couldn't measure the mass of a photon the same way yyou cant easure it's energy and it's location. This was proven by Hisenberg.
But after all, all is relative.

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light doesn't have mass but it does have momentum. A lot of people just knows E=mc^2 but that just relates to the energy which comes from the mass. The real formula is E^2=(p*c)^2+(m0*c^2)^2 where m0 is the restmass. So the emergy in the lightwave/particle comes from the momentum not from the mass.

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Well, my bad! It wasnt intentional but I forgot the word Accretion Disk and the text sounded like I am attributing those properties to black holes.

What I really meant (in another paragraph of the same post) was
>>> Blackholes are amazing celestial bodies, they exert such a tremendous gravitational force, that leads to very interesting effects. One effect is the one that makes you beleive a black hole is dark, but the paradox is that it is also one of the brightest objects in space!
>>>

I should have written they are one of the brightest objects in space to detect, its effects are the means we get to detect these objects.

Like the Accretion disk, its actually far off from the blackhole surface, farther than the Event Horizon where the matter is being imploded into the blackhole, which, by simple laws of physics gets compressed and heated up and emit X-rays. Thats why the X-ray region in the spectrum is where there is highest probability to find a Blackhole.

What happens inside the Event Horizon especially near the blackhole's surface is even more interesting, but we just have theories about it. The fact that light is entrapped by the black hole within the Event Horizon proves that it has some mass and exists in form of particles. But the fact that energy radiates even from the event horizon also leads us to the conclusion that light (may not be all along the radio spectrum) does exist in the form of energy and can get away from such strong forces.

The Hawking radiation does account for loss of the blackhole's decay, but then even if its billions of years of a process, nobody can tell how and when the blackhole would have its next supper, a star that would replinish its lost mass and more!

Its just like saying a isolated Human being would die of starvation automatically in a time frame of say 1 year, but if he is fed even to partly restore his health he would survive a bit longer.

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<<The fact that light is entrapped by the black hole within the Event Horizon proves that it has some mass and exists in form of particles.>>

Uhhh... no, it doesn't. Space curves inwards towards a black hole. Does that mean space is made of particles and has mass?

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What happens inside the Event Horizon especially near the blackhole's surface is even more interesting, but we just have theories about it. The fact that light is entrapped by the black hole within the Event Horizon proves that it has some mass and exists in form of particles.



No it dosent, ever heard of curved space?

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The Hawking radiation does account for loss of the blackhole's decay, but then even if its billions of years of a process, nobody can tell how and when the blackhole would have its next supper, a star that would replinish its lost mass and more!



The hawking radiation is constant invariable to the surrounding conditions, attracting mass is not, therefore the hawking radiation effect is more powerful and will override any other effect.

Not to mention the fact that the bigger a black hole is the MORE it emits hawking radiation. Thus a blackhold which gathers alot of mass will evaporate more quickly than one which does not.

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A black hole the size of the earth would take more time than the universe has been around to evaporate.

This is all theoretical and is just based on the fact that particles spontaneously decompose in a vacuum. One goes in, one goes out. Therefore if we are seeing particles come out we have to ask, "where is it coming from". Hawking says inside the BH.

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I guess the string theory thread died, but this stuff is cool too.

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Reply to silverpig

Yeah, where did it go? You're the only one that knows much about it. I asked one of my professors what he thought and he blew it off.

Basically String Theory is too limited in what it explains and the calculations are nearly impossible.

General Relativity and Quantum mechanics have difficult calculations as well, but it explains most everything.

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Eh, I guess only you and I were really interested in it...

That is very true about string theory; the calculations are near impossible. Actually, equations exist in string theory that have been written and discovered, but are still unsolved because the mathematics required to solve them doesn't yet exist. Who knows what these equations describe until we solve them?

Actually, string theory came about because of conflicts between General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics. QM is excellent for describing things on a small scale, and GR is perfect for large scale physics, but the two do not agree when compared on the same scales. Both are good for now, but are probably just special case approximations like Newtonian Mechanics.

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I have a really intense theory that a friend of mine and I created while walking through a field back when we were in high school.

It explains three things...

1. Black Holes

2. White Holes

3. Dark Matter

If you want to hear it i'll have to start composing it into an understandable written format. I basically is derived from a spherical look at the universe and the dirrectional relationships between objects moving away from the center of the universe at differing set of speeds.

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I'm interested. Maybe start a new thread. We need one for this kind of stuff.

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it was very wierd and strange when, for the first time, i learned that light could both behave as wave and particle. the fact that white light can be seperated into different colors, acting like a wave, and the very same light can strike a metal and kick an electron off of it; acting like a particle. Einsein bielieved light is both a particle & wave and niether a particle & wave until you force it to be one. It was kinda hard to understand, so my teacher made a very good example that cleared things up a little bit.
here is the example; when you flip a coin, while the coin is fliping in the air, can you tell if its head or tails? well at the same time, its both heads and tails and its neither heads and tails. but as soon as you catch it, and put it on your palm you force it to be one. and thats what Einstein said, that light is both a wave and a particle and niether a wave and particle, until its forced to be one.
now what is really strange, is that somehow light knows where to act like a wave and where to act like a particle. like when you make it go through a prism it knows that it should act like a wave, or when you shine it on a metal it knows it should act like a particle.
by saying light somehow knows when to act like wave or particle, i dont mean anything crazy.
i just think that something is missing here. there is more to light than we know.

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This may be a simple way tolook at it ,but if light had no mass it would not have any momentum and if it did not have any momentum solar photo voltaics (solar power) would never be able to work.Not sure though. I am by no means an expert

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newsha wrote :

there is more to light than we know.



Clearly yours is not turned on. You do realise you opened up a thread that was dead for 7 years?

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audiovoodoo wrote :

You do realise you opened up a thread that was dead for 7 years?



I am sensing a pattern here. Chimp gets all his points by looking for people who resurect old polls, and then telling them they're idiots. Not a bad idea, actually.

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