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dont you mean the fx-62? and hash i think that they will introduce the fx-64 on 65nm process dont you think so too?

Oh yeah, and FX62 (Windsor) will have 125W TDP.

Well a few things you cant do with your computer Madmodmike

1 Take your case or Monitor while your wife driving and play games? NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
Where me I Can take eather laptop with me and play it. Oh by the way My 3.4 ee L3 2mb cache Northwood with 17 monitor Laptop. I dont have to worrie about overclocking why waste battery life. Or my intel duo 1.66ghz run games on one cpu. While the other cpu running the windows task and running on low power.

So shove your remark up your rear.

Well a few things you cant do with your computer Madmodmike

1 Take your case or Monitor while your wife driving and play games? NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
Where me I Can take eather laptop with me and play it. Oh by the way My 3.4 ee L3 2mb cache Northwood with 17 monitor Laptop. I dont have to worrie about overclocking why waste battery life. Or my intel duo 1.66ghz run games on one cpu. While the other cpu running the windows task and running on low power.

So shove your remark up your rear.

There happens to be such thing as an AMD laptop chief and that is what I buy. I don't need a Dual-Core laptop, that is just retarded. BTW: My 3700+ pwns ur P4 EE 3.4.

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time

Big deal Fact remains. Anything you buy today will be out dated In a month or so. I m waiting for the Newer Amd chip. See you dont understand somepeople are on the road vers sitting on there rear at home.

Update. Review 1st post for changes.

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time

Mike and I pretty much determined it's the PSU (it's by no means bad, it just doesn't have enough wattage). I'm ordering a new one tonight actually.

-mpjesse

Yea, for sure tell me how it went. BTW, that is a slick PSU.

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time

Update. Check 1st post for changes.

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time

1) Using a 64-bit OS (obviously with a 64-bit CPU) I have noticed and documented personally perfomance gains of up to 12%with normal operation and running 32-bit applications. The entire gain of 64-bit over 32-bit can be up to 75%. Also, 32-bit applications (32-bit apps = applications) benefit because running 64-bit increases Memory Bandwidth and CPU performance which in turn increases the performance of 32-bit applications such as Games and 3D Rendering programs.

2) When it says 128-Bit Memory Bus, it means that's the length of the Bus, it's 128 bits wide. This means it increases performance beacause it can send more information per clock. An example is that a 256-Bit Memory Bus will, theoretically, offer double the Memory Bandwidth of a 128-bit bus. The larget bus's (wider) allows more information to flow in and out at a time, but this also creates latencies because of how large the bus is and how fast the clock speed of the bus is relative to the size.

If you need more simpler responses or want to know anything else, just ask. I don't have a problem helping.

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time

another thing about 32-bit applications ...we all know that 1 Byte = 8 bits ...so we have 32/8 = 4 Bytes ..
so 32-bit applications means that they have 4 bytes per cycle 8O or what :?: these things are really confusing me !

so normal processors have 32-bit FSB ..and 64-bit processors have 64-bit FSB ? ...
if that what it is ..in INTEL's processors why having the 64-bit as extensions only (EM64T) ...what is the difference between 64-bit controllers in INTEL and AMD .

so the registers is not related to processor cache ? ..
I mean the cache could have 32-bit or 64-bit bus ?

thanks Mike ..you've been a great help .

Mr. MadModMike,

Can you shed some light on why people go into longer pipeline (ie Intel)? Being an analog guy, I am pretty much oblivious about digital stuff. I just remembered about 15 years ago of a discussion CISC vs. RISC and ,deep pipeline was a characteristic of RISC where as the software compiler must rearrange the data/command to maximize the pipeline? Is this true?

Thanks.

Chime.

PS: Fanboy flaming is fun to read

dude, wasn't this the thread he wanted to make a sticky? Why wouldn't he read it anymore. :?

yeah, but it shows up in the "your posts" area.

@Piddy: This is in my "Bookmarks" in my Opera Browser.

@Chime: I'm going to try and explain what I think you you're asking:

The reason companies use a longer Pipeline (I.E. Intel) is because the longer the pipeline, the faster you can crank the Internal Clock Speed. Intel's marketing department was chasing after the Athlon XP and on a Clock-For-Clock basis, the Pentium 4 was suffering. The Athlon XP has a 10-Stage Pipeline, whereas the Pentium 4 had between 15 and 20 (nowawdays, a Pentium 4 has up to 31-Stages). Intel decided they needed to aggressively increase the clock speed because they couldn't match the Athlon XP, so they kept increasing the size of the pipeline and made promises like "10GHz Pentium 4", which is impossible under circumstances due to trimense heat.

On the Compiler part, I think you're referring to when Hazards happen. A Hazzard is when multiple instructions are relying on each other for data and when 1 finishes first, it can get wrong data if the instruction it relies on is not done being executed. Other Hazards such as when parts of the CPU need 2 or more Instructions, and they both required the ALU, that can cause a Structural Hazard. There are ways that are implemented to reduce Hazards, such as Flushing The Pipeline and using NOP's (Non OPeration). When the CPU thinks there might be a problem or a Hazard, it inserts these NOP instructions into the pipeline. An NOP does absolutely nothing at all other than take up space for a duration of Clock Cycles.

I hope that answered your question, if it didn't, repost and I will try to accomodate you.

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time

On Hazzards,

Developers will typically LOCK via mutex data that is shared between multiple threads. This will avoid many of those collisions at runtime. In any multi-threaded application you stand the chane of data synchronization and corruption. These locks (when implemented correctly) help to alleviate these issues. This is done to help get over the hardware issues.

Most procs break themselves up into four distinct sectors (Process, Kernel, System and User). This allows for context switching. While in one quadrant of the proc you need to block and interupt to allow the next quadrant to process. The multi-thread HT in the newer Intel P 955 will allow for four of these quadrant distinct areas (four threads per cycle). This is important becasue you can context switch four independent threads per cycle. This will become a possible advantage if for instance software is written optimizing its use. That is why Intel is having the devolpers conference and releasing info about its new processors at the same time. I am sure a tool kit will be released to them. This is why it is easy to BEWARE benchmarks.

A good book for reference is "UNIX INTERNALS the new Frontiers".
Great book showing the interaction between the proc and software written for it. Of course this is UNIX bias.

I don't specialize in programming (I do DirectX Windows Programming sometimes) but rather strictly General Hardware, as you can see from my 1st post. But thanks for adding, even though this was geared towards people with little understanding . I actually might move away from computers and try to become a Police Detective, I like helping people and teaching rather than working in a job such as Programming, so maybe even become a Teacher, heh.

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time

ok mike sorry i didnt know geez and man bribe fredi to make this a sticky

Jack Barnes said he conversed with all the other Moderators and they concluded that they wouldn't make it a Sticky, and I won't bribe or beg anybody (not sure how I can bribe someone over the internet).

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time

HaHa you can't sell PEACE .

I don't want sticky, this thread is too good for a sticky, it's 1337 .

BTW, you got any strawberries yet? I'm really hungry .

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time

wheres the rundown on nvidia/ati?........eh?Id like to know why my x1600 pro runs so hot.....I had to mod the stock heatsink and redo my case a bit to get my gpu to idle at 45c.(Cooling on the cheap)
windows help reduce case temps,just a little.or it was just an excuse to whack my case.I think plastic releases heat faster than metal.
i put an extra fan on my gpu heat sink.stock temps were way high the heat sink cover was over 100 f . now its at 27c in the heatsink fins.
why am i reading stock temps are so high ? the nvidias are high too.
speed is good ,but heat wears down your stuff,what the lifespan on a stock 7800gtx or an x 1900xt with that kind of heat?
the 7800gtx has more heat than my card at idle and load.I should mention my card is oc'd with atitool at 537 and 432.and my case is pushing 150 cfm(2x75cfm) in from the fans on the side out from the top(2x20cfm )and back(1x20+1x60cfm),and psu(2x20cfm=20cfm ttl).=pos.case pressure of 10+/-? cfm
anyway those high temps are bad....right(stock temps)
Who cares? It should be warranted. Also, GPU's can withstand a lot of heat, although it certainly isn't good for overclocking and I can't see it doing good for PCB lifetime, it can't do too terribly much either.

I for one would like to secure the life of an investment ,sonny. 8)

AFAIK, temps recorded to Windows are of the entire card, meaning RAM and GPU. If you have Memory running at over 1GHz to 1.6GHz and a GPU of 600MHz right next to each other, things are going to get quite toasty .

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time

LOL!

Dude, you aint gonna get your GPU as cool as your CPU, at least under load. But, if you were a Mad Modder Like me, you could record these temps like I did

CPU:

Stock Heatsink: 33c Load, 27c Idle

GPU:

Stock Heatsink: 35c Idle 45c Load

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time

Well, when you drop 15 from 40c normal with 8 Hard Drives, over 40 cables, 2 CPU's and a host of additional devices, that's quite an achievement in my book.

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time