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Talking about games: I just got back from a friends house, we were playing Fight Night Round 3 for XBOX 360, man, I whooped his @$$ all over the ring, socked him with haymaker after haymaker, it was awesome sh!t.
Yeah XBOX360 is pretty sweet, don't know if it pwns PS3 or gets pwned by PS3(Ignore that statement, it will likely ignite some console war BS)

Well, last I heard, PS3 is at least a year away. And thats the last I will say

here ill help you people since a lot of you guys are too biased towards either side

Want an intel to play your video games on high quality? go ahead
want to buy an AMD to play your video games on high quality? go ahead

Neither doesnt matter, my friend owns a 2.66ghz Intel p4 presscot, and he has a sweet 6800gs video card, and guess what, it runs better then my AMD 64 3000+ with a 6600gt. He has better frames then I do, and he has better quality setting. And his lowest frames are around the same as mine. My processor scored more in Aquamark 03, but that means nothing to me when im doing real world apps like pure gaming and applications. Im kicking myself for getting single core AMD of Single core Intel. The intel one multitasks A LOT better pluse it plays games just like mine just as well, for a fact that i have an intel p4 3.0ghz in the basement (parents computer) and its frames are around the same as mine and never lags once, with the same setup. So I want you MadModMike and others like you to take your biased bull crap and shove it. If someone wants either, allow them to get it, dont tell them "Oh amd is WAY BETTER" wich is not, what the AMD counterpart of the intel one is like 5-10 frames better? yeah big deal since games drop in incraments larger then 15FPS. If youre games requirements are below the minimum, then you must worry, but ive seen processors below recommended (Fear on a 2.4 ghz intel) run as smooth as butter with a 6800nu.

I feel like im the only one on here that has any knowlege at all. FOR GOD SAKES!! IF THE GAME RUNS PERFECT THEN THATS FINE!!! you dont need benchmarks to prove anything. Hell here i go, i score like sh!t in 3dmark06 and guess what, im able to play fear on almost max setting with a stable 40fps and runs smooth as silk and its beautiful, my friend scores less then me in 3dmark03 due to his processor (2.6ghz intel) and his games run just as smooth as mine, somtimes better due to my hard drive problem im having right now (ordering a new motherboard to support my Western Digital 250gb Sata2 hard drive.

Wow.....pure Wow....you are a dumbass sir, 111% Bonified Dumbass. You obviously have 0 knowledge if you're comparing a 2.66P4 (which BTW has a 533MHz FSB) to a Athlon 64. If that is Socket 939, obviously you have some PC1600 256MB of RAM, as that is the only way it would be beat, aside from the fact that you are a complete MOR to the ON. BTW: You have used 3 PC's...congrats, that says nothing for a PROCESSOR, I can't even count how many different Processors and PC's I have used on all the keys on the keyboard x my CPU frequency (which happens to be 2585MHz). I don't judge biasedly about anything, I have used almost every processor you can dream of from Intel and AMD (excluding Pre-486 Era) and I have determined the Athlon 64 is better than the Pentium 4, not because I am a fanboy, which sir, I guarantee you I am not.

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time

no madmod, you are the dumbass due to just believeing only what you wan't and what others tell you, so you become one of them. Just because benchmarks show that its better, do you really think you will notice a difference between something at 40fps and 100fps? no due to the human eye can only go as far as 30 thus what TV runs at.

Ill tell you what my system is:
AMD 64 3000+ winchester
Fotron Sparkle 400watt PSU
1gig OCZ PC3200 Premier Ram
Asus A8V deluxe Motherboard
BFG6600gt OC 589/1170
250gb Western Digital Sata2 hard drive

What you lack is common knowlege, you can buy one thing and then say its better, but is it really? some tests show otherwise, yes and no. 3dMark seems to favor Intel chipsets in the CPU tests, and to prove, look up benchmarks on many sites, and then tell me otherwise. Second, you can claim anything. I can claim my 3000+ is way better then my friends 2.66ghz intel, but then if we play side by side, we both will be above 30fps thus rendering me uncapable of seeing the difference.

Since i proved you wrong, youre angry and saying i have 0 knowlege, but I guess is that because my knowlege is beyound youres, thus confusing you and making you think im just an idiot, but really, youre the only idiot, out of millions other fanboys.

And personally you should not say of how many computers I have used compaired to you, since you know nothing of me. What youre scared and now youre trying to prove youre better then me? pathetic.

My father is Manager for BC lotteries in the Tech department, worked for IBM in the 70's and worked for the american government setting up radar towers during the cold war to detect Russian nukes, he has over 20 years of computer experience then me and worked with computers withing thoes 20 years and counting. And ive only been a computer fan for 4 years, and let me tell you, I know more then he does and his university digree about computers and how to set them up. I was there and set up his computer, I did it all for my family, also i do free services and put together computers for others, I also suggest to them what components to get and they never been happier, Ive gone with both AMD and Intel depending on there budget and what they want to use it for. And let me tell you, both processors done great for all the people. So I suggest you take youre stupid life and put it away from this forums, its no place to tell what you do, its sickaning to see people claim who they are just because they lack common knowlege.

Did you not read my post?

You: "just because benchmarks show that its better" - Did I not just say I have used a hell of alot of computers and I know for a PERSONAL fact? Or do facts evade the mind of a moron? If you're both getting over 30fps, with the cards you have, that means you have sh!t for gaming quality, it's called Faster CPU = Ability to increase game quality w/o losing performance, or has that fact evaded you as well? Don't say "We only play sh!t games so it doesn't matter" because there are thousands of people who play real games who care about eye candy performance.

You: "no due to the human eye can only go as far as 30 thus what TV runs at." - It's a fact the Human Eye can distinguish beyond 30, things become more smooth and fluid, but that ties into the the brain's ability to distinguish it.

You: "3dMark seems to favor Intel chipsets in the CPU tests, and to prove, look up benchmarks on many sites, and then tell me otherwise." - What the H E double hockey sticks does that have to do with anything? I already said I could give a Rats @$$ about 3DMARK scores, so that was just pointless.

You: "Since i proved you wrong, youre angry and saying i have 0 knowlege" - Correct, you proved me wrong because I didn't think you were THIS MUCH of a dumbass, but I was wrong.

You: "I guess is that because my knowlege is beyound youres, thus confusing you and making you think im just an idiot, but really, youre the only idiot, out of millions other fanboys" - Now that sh!t was funny, I actually got a laugh or 2 out of that.

You: " So I suggest you take youre stupid life and put it away from this forums, its no place to tell what you do, its sickaning to see people claim who they are just because they lack common knowlege." - LOL!

Anything else from you wonder-boy?

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time

yeah there is, whens the last time you taken physics, Biology and Chemestry?

I did a test with my friends, and I will do it again and I will get my friends to film it this time, we will both play the same games on different processors on same setups. We will prove to you that you cannot see beyound 30fps and you will never notice a difference. I played CSS side by side with my friend with his computer. We messured the FPS and I did go above him, my Max FPS was a lot more then his, around 30fps more. But He nor I droped below 30 FPS. And let me tell you, in every occation of the game, we never once seen a difference when im running at 70fps and he is running at 40fps. I never once noticed the difference. And neither did he or anyone else in the room. So prove to me otherwise that you can see beyound 30fps. Actualy go to www.ncix.com and ask on there forums about this, ask them this question: If the Intel processor runs at 36 fps and the AMD one runs at 40 fps, will I notice a difference, they will say no. Ask them the same question but change the 40fps to 50 fps, and they will again say no, because it was them that taught me and my physics, biology and chemesty teacher said same things. I trust them and there University digrees then whatever internet digree you got.

Oh and its not the CPU the games rely on, it relys on the GPU to distinguish the renderings, its only the CPU that helps the GPU, and only to like 5% of the game itself. The only real difference the 3000+ will have against a 3.0ghz intel in anything is that it may be able to handle the newer cards better, thats about it, otherwise, it will produce same smooth frames as an AMD equivelent.

1) You can't spell.

2) Comparing a 3FPS difference is retarded, I am talking about comparing 50-60 to 30, and if you don't notice a difference, you have sh!tty vision. I am not saying it will be Quadruple-F*ck-Orgasmic difference, but it is noticable in gameplay.

2) Try playing a game with a 6800GT, and comparing a 1.8GHz P4 to a 2.8GHz P4, if you don't see a dramatic difference, again, you have something wrong with you.

3) I'm astonished by somebody like you. You fit right in with FUGGER amongst the Largest Dumbass's on Tom's Hardware Forum's.

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time

really? wow im so proud of myself to know that i fit in that possition when im considered a genious at my school, and do not bring up english since its not my best subject. Yes thats right, im a genious at my school, or considered one, but does that make me one? maybe, its just like what youre doing, claiming something, but does it actualy make it? probibly not.

Ill see what happens tomorow, and I'll try anything to see if I can tell the difference in my eye site when playing games, oh and i seem to notice things farther away then what my parent can, and I dont need glasses.

wich brings me down to youre an idiot cause I can already tell you are, does that make it true? probibly not, but just because I say it is, like what you do, then it makes it true. So now youre the biggest moron ive ever met.

ABRAXAS WROTE: "what people don't seem to realize is that MadModMike is not affected by insults, razzing or trashtalking back in his direction. Infact by doing so, you only fuel his agression in defending his position on you being an idiot."

~~Mad Mod Mike, pimpin' the world 1 rig at a time

Hey kid, hate to tell you, but your biology is a bit off. The human eye can in fact see above 30 frames per second. Or maybe this one will work for you. You don't notice the difference so much as the imagery seems smoother. And there have been numerous tests done to prove the point.

You are way over simplifying things and making yourslef look a bit foolish by trying to solve the issue by comparing performance in video games via frames per second. Most people don't play games, and they are a lot more concerned with overall performance than with how a game runs. That may be all that matters to a younger kid like you, but most people actually like doing productive work on their PC's as well.

Before you get started, notice I said nothing about which processor is better, becuase that depends on your situation and needs.

at least I tried at the battle, for a fact that im fighting with someone who is an adult, vs him against a kid makes him look like the idiot. And maybe everyone is different in how they comprehened the various frame rates. Personaly my friends and I cant see the difference, maybe some can but some cant. But does this get me off of Intel? no because intel can provide thoes great Frames over AMD just at the price of higher clock speed (thus 3.0ghz vs 3000+ 1.8ghz) But I have high hopes for conroe.